“This is based on how firearms should work in real life” …. (Unloads 3 ak mags into an unarmored scav from 5 feet away…. Scav turns around and 1shots me) fml
I think 7.62 AKs need a buff. They’re fun to run if you’re bored of running 5.45 or 5.56 but with BP vs M855A1 and MOA compared between fully built rifles, there’s almost no reason to not run an an M4/MK18 unless you’re just tryna have fun with something different.
7.62x39 I think is bugged rn, I remember they made a post about it in the discord along w the 9mm n shotguns. 7.62x39mm shouldn’t take 5 shots w the AP ammo to take an AI down, but I had also encounter in YBL where I mag dump a dude n ran away n shot me point blank
honestly even 545 is ridiculously inferior to 556 atm. worse recoil even running it loud, terrible accuracy at range, lower fire rate and seemingly worse damage for its armor pen too,, really only the snipers seem useful outside of m4 versions currently.
@@dailato realistically, even the M700 is hard to argue to use over the M4/MK18 when you could just slap a 20 in barrel on it with an LPVO and use it as a DMR in single fire and when things get hairy in CQB, just flip over the fun switch.
Isn't the only reason you'd ever run 7.62 or 5.45 as a contractor outside of US turf because of the sheer ammo availability in combat? Larger round, more kinetic energy maybe BUT when you look at the accuracy capabilities of any of these foreign steel stamped rifles they're all garbo which I do like that they considered in the game. Something tells me that there may be a point with tweeks and such that CQB and Urban engagements that limit distance of engagement and prioritize volume of rounds down range could be a good way to use the AK stuff? Not sure. Just brainstorming with ya.
Great video. I think people miss out if they're watching the rest of the videos out there. You rock that 5.56 HPBT in the starter town. You will reck dudes. It feels real (or as it's been explained to me by people who know first hand). Shooting un-armored targets with FMJ is just punching holes. The HPBT feels catastrophic and puts them down FAST.
I've used HP in all the areas at his point and it has worked really well for me. Once I unlock AP I'll definitely use it but the HP works great if i can hit them in the chin basically.
Thanks for this. I wasn't sure if they went this far with the realism and if ammo choices were actually consequential. I am glad they did. Game is well done so far and a blast to play.
I got shot in the chest by one of those AK-74M PS bots in Midnight Sapphire. MOC II, direct hit in the center of my chest by one bullet. Red Lung, Red Heart, Red Stomach. Meanwhile we have to tap them multiple times in the head sometimes because of tanky bot Organ HP, lmao.
Couple of things to mention here. Ballastics gel does not simulate what happens in the human body, it is a standard test to measure effectiveness of a given round. That being said, holopoint round should not only have a bigger "hit box", but also cause more tissue damage (think organ damage etc.) and more severe bleeding. Something else that is annoying is that the game does not simulate the central nervous system well. Most shots, or even peripheral damage caused to the spine or neck will put you out of the fight most of the time.
Frankly Shotguns are awesome from medium to short ranges on lighly armored targets, the only problem is how slow they reload. Just shooting the general location of the head is enough for a headshot of chest damage as the body armor usually does not protect the neck.
I don’t know why dev don’t put this in option* or help menu* like you press esc go to help in game* and bam you know all you want to know like the old papers help you got when you buy a ps1 game
I do have a question when it comes to M855 AP vs M193 556 though. They have the same dispersion value as displayed in their description. From my understanding, dispersion of a round describes their likelihood/characteristic of expansion, correct? Currently, it’s stated that they both have the same dispersion value of -2%, leading me to believe they have the same pen value, only M193 has higher muzzle velocity. Is there a description error on M855 or am I reading into this incorrectly?
How I understand is that dispersion has to do with accuracy. To mitigate, you can get a barely woth tighter MOA. I believe this is how it was clarified on discord.
@@CrashGame dispersion is what the bullet does to flesh.. the mushroom/spread. Low dispersion is good against armor (fmj) while high does good flesh dmg with no pen
The dispersion is just essentially how “accurate” the bullet will be, but at the look of it, the MOA of the un is actually accurate. Me n my friend tested the 14.5,16,20. Inch barrel 5.56 n we can say to say the 20 is far far more accurate than the 14.5 but the 16 is a good middle ground, just a lil long for me. The 14.5 is good for all around which I mostly run specially when CQC.
Only way to really make HP ammo and shotguns viable over high pen ammo is to have bleeding be way more severe and I mean to the point were if I get a severe bleed I immediately need to break contact and put a tourniquet on or I will die in less than a minute. To go along with that they need to have it so you can be bleeding from multiple wounds that each require their own treatment instead of the way it is now were I can have a severe bleed from wounds in each limb but a single tourniquet will treat them all at once. Another thing that will help especially with shotgun slugs is if they can increase the damage from kinetic energy transfer. So basically severe bruises, bruised lungs, and maybe in the future cracked or broken ribs from the impact of a slug smacking your armor. It would be heavily mitigated by high lvl plates but plates also shouldnt be able to take a lot of rounds and still provide adequate protection. In the Marines we were always told that if two rounds hit our plates then they were basically worthless and while different plates can withstand different punishment it seems every plate in grey zone can take a mag and still be able to stop more.
Imo armor is massively pointless. I can wear 3+ and still get one tapped by soft point when hit in the spots not covered by armor. Always run the cheapest ammo. High pen does such little channels that even when you hit vitals you won't do enough to one tap only injure the organs (except brain and heart) you can sneak low pen bullets under helmets in the face or above chest armor or on the sides
I promise if you start running AP you will feel a massive difference and if you plan on winning fights against players you absolutely need good ammo or its gg every time.
@Boss_Man1371 seeing how I can kill a player with 10 bullets full auto and they're wearing 3+ and I'm only shooting fmj. I'm good. Armor is pointless so it makes ammo pointless
@poopieesq2995 armor only covers zones they physically cover. The misinformation was stated during streamer access because you can shoot someone in the head and not kill them because if you don't hit the brain with enough damage they won't die. Mind you helmets do make it harder to hit the brain. But with something like hpbt in the nose, you'll one tap. Try it out
@@dapandamau5 So i tried it out. And I'm not killing to face shots when they have helmets. So, do you have any kind of source to support this claim? Like have the devs said that it only covers what it visibly covers. Because thats actually rather difficult to implement in a game.
I am madly in love with this game. The PvP The PvE The PvPvE It's magical. I've already had some heart pounding escapes in PvP, or PvE getting into shootouts in the middle of a city whilst you're slowing being enclosed.. Providing cover fire at times while a buddy goes to work medically on a coma'd body or vice versa. For being an Alpha I see so much promise from these devs as well. Idc about comparisons to other games, or any other gripes for that matter.. Me and my friends are just entrenched with this game and I'm really looking forward to the future. It's hard to catch lightning in a bottle, but maybe they can. Badass video too! :D
Im still relatively low level. But can someone that actually used most ammo tell me if M193 5.56 is worse or better than 5.45 7n6( I think? $2 ammo from Turncoat) compared to 5.45 BP or 5.56 m855A1?
I'm pretty sure 00 buck would create a decently sized wound channel through a noggin. Not sure where the devs be getting there numbers on shotguns. Very unfun to use right now.
this really doesnt make sense, since the developers have said there is problem with the AI and hitboxes, and the bullet characterics are not being applied so not sure how or what you have been testing.
Entirely speculation, but in a squad based mil-sim type came don't you think that your shotgunner in squad would fill more of a "breacher/demo" type roll? I can't help but notice this option to kick doors that isn't entirely effective on a locked door as I'd think it might be, BUT..... I do see potential here. Additionally as a shooter and gun nerd I had higher hopes for controlled expansion rounds like hollow point to show more benefit on soft tissue and limb hits. Energy transfer in an expanding round tends to bruise, and turn large areas of soft tissue and muscle to mush at the same time as causing heavy bleeding and potentially breaking bones. Therefore. Depending on whether the devs thought about it this far, an accurately placed shot to an armpit, head, or upper leg/pelvis could do more in the future. Hard to say. Pardon my rabbit hole. Thanks Crash. Started watching you when you started posting GZW content. Been really enjoying this game thus far.
To elaborate the contrast; penetrating rounds light fmj's and armor piercing stuff would tend to poke holes in soft tissue and miss things like bones and such more often creating wounds that can be easier to treat if not impacting a vital organ.
Dude the HBT 556x45 is like, my favorite so far. Had a buddy give me some M995 and it just flat out did far less damage.. The HBT drops people left and right regardless of armor.
It's far more nuanced than that. It's like saying that blood is our real life HP, which is only a half-truth. Your character requires a set amount of blood before he gets debuffs, falls into a coma or dies, but it's not an HP bar because it's only part of the damage system. Bullets don't cause HP damage like in regular games, they cause wound cavities. Basically the bigger the cavity, the more damage is inflicted on the player. But the main damage isn't HP/blood, but damage of organs and arteries. If a bullet lands nearby the liver, it will destroy it. Your character will fall over dead even with max blood meter. Alternatively a bullet may not damage any organ, but it can cause bleeding. That's when the blood system can potentially result in player death if the bleeding isn't treated. But 80% of fatalities are to vital organs being damaged.
@@TheJohn_Highway - True. But the rmors that I've seen so far seem to be Level 3 or 3A with only a few being steel. The rest seem to be soft mystery armor.
I saw a post about a possible temporary fix: Step 1: verify integrity files Step 2: Manually add a rule in your firewall which allows the .exe GZW launcher file in steamapps/common.... Then if it didn't work, try switching to US west (im EUwest for example) or reconnecting with a different server till you hit a good one. Helped for me 80% of the time
