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Great Depression Coming & Bitcoin Going To $0 or $1 Million? - Peter Schiff vs Raoul Paul Debate 

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We can agree we are in a time of transition, so what is the next best move?
In today’s episode of Impact Theory, we’ve got a hot debate between economists and investing experts Raoul Pal and Peter Schiff as we discuss Bitcoin and the future of the economy.
Raoul Pal has become a legend in global economics as one of the most successful former hedge fund managers (retired at 36), and his insights into the current recession, global economy, and volatile markets are well respected.
Peter Schiff is a seasoned Wall Street prognosticator known for his spot on predictions of the stock market performance, including gold, commodities, and the mighty dollar.
In this debate, we’re touching on:
- Value vs. price
- Potential currency collapse and its effects
- Bitcoin's allure and the comparison with gold standard
- Market impact predictions of the 2024 election
- AI's potential to alleviate economic problems
- Differing ways to prepare for hyperinflation or financial repression
- Asset value in a volatile market
- The growing national debt and potential hyperinflation
- Historical patterns of financial repression
- Blockchain technology and digital asset utilization
- The future of Social Security
This episode is a must watch for anyone who wants to look deep into the debates between gold and digital assets, investment strategies amid economic uncertainty, and the possibility of a great depression.
Chapter Markers:
[0:00] Let’s Agree on the Problem
[32:58] Digital vs. Physical Assets
[1:04:02] Eroding Value of Bitcoin
[1:56:55] What About the National Debt?
[2:07:19] Impact of AI and Robots on Economy
[2:37:17] Ideas Causing the Underlying Problem
Powerful Insights From the Debate:
“Instead of taking your money by taxing you openly and directly or even indirectly through a sales tax, [the government] surreptitiously robs you of your purchasing power by just creating money out of thin air, usually with a complicit central bank."
- Peter Schiff
"I've always liked gold, but gold has not done particularly well in recent years. Against debasement on a globalized basis, it still works beautifully well as a global currency, and against global debasement over time. It works. But the really strong debasement we've been having in recent years, it just hasn't done well enough"
- Raoul Pal
"So I think people who are getting out of the dollar or the euro and buying bitcoin have jumped out of the frying pan into the fire."
- Peter Schiff
"What's harder is to say, what the hell does an economy mean after 2030, when you've got endless AI and robots and AGI? What what value do you provide in that world?"
- Raoul Pal
"Because the free market is trying to lower prices by increasing productivity, the government is raising them by creating inflation. And so it's a dance. But to the extent that we can have a huge surge in productivity that's driven by AI or robotics or a combination of the two, that's actually a good thing."
- Peter Schiff
“And I just urge all of us to just make sure that we don't get obsessed by our own mental models, because they will change, and the world changes. And sometimes we can be dead wrong, and sometimes we can be dead right."
- Raoul Pal
"Our ability to stimulate with QE, with inflation is predicated on the false belief that the fed could shrink the balance sheet, withdraw the liquidity, normalize interest rates, we can pay off the debt. When the markets come to the unfortunate realization that that's not true, then the bottom drops out and we can't kick the can down the road anymore because there's no more road."
- Peter Schiff
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Комментарии : 13 тыс.   
@cryptowolf-zf3fs
@cryptowolf-zf3fs 2 месяца назад
I love Both! Bitcoin and Gold (some silver too) Take profit from Bitcoin and buy a little gold as backup. Get some land too if the taxes are reasonable. Its best to have several piles of profitable stuff.
@weekend_warrior_podcast
@weekend_warrior_podcast 2 месяца назад
You just solved this three hour conversation! Haha agreed
@immigrantsagainstimmigrati2557
@immigrantsagainstimmigrati2557 2 месяца назад
You are the only reasonable person here!
@ArrestYourAddiction
@ArrestYourAddiction 2 месяца назад
The 5 G's + 1 B = gold guns ground grub gas plus bitcoin.
@OGCrypto33
@OGCrypto33 2 месяца назад
Exactly, its called not putting all your eggs into one basket.
@The-Dirty-Straw
@The-Dirty-Straw 2 месяца назад
For real. I dont trust Bitcoin as a store of value long. If you need that in a few years, the volatility is too much. This bubble will pop when the dollar spikes and hodlers need cash to pay for things
@MickyGlover
@MickyGlover 3 дня назад
The yield on bonds have decreased especially on the long end (30 and 10 Y) indicating that the demand is still there even if the supply remains huge showing a preference for safety. I'm still at a crossroad regarding whether or not to liquidate my $138k
@Vivienedouglass
@Vivienedouglass 3 дня назад
Find quality stocks that have long term potential, and ride with those stocks. I have found it takes someone who is very familiar with the market to make such good picks.
@GaryNicka
@GaryNicka 3 дня назад
A lot of folks downplay the role of advisors until being burnt by their own emotions. I remember couple summers back, after my lengthy divorce, I needed a good boost to help my business stay afloat, hence I researched for licensed advisors and came across someone of utmost qualifications. She's helped grow my reserve notwithstanding inflation, from $275k to $850k.
@Jamesjerome0
@Jamesjerome0 3 дня назад
Please can you leave the info of your lnvestment advsor here? I’m in dire need for one.
@GaryNicka
@GaryNicka 3 дня назад
Actually its a Lady. Yes my go to person is a ‘MICHELE KATHERINE SINGH '. So easy and compassionate Lady. You should take a look at her work.
@Jamesjerome0
@Jamesjerome0 3 дня назад
Thank you for this amazing tip. I just looked the name up and wrote her up, to schedule a call. many thanks
@user-sb6po3yj7d
@user-sb6po3yj7d 6 дней назад
I'm not kidding when I say that the market crash and high inflation have me really stressed out and worried about retirement. I've been in the red for a while now and although people say these crisis has it perks, I'm losing my mind but I get it. Investing is a long-term game. It's just hard to focus on the long term playbook when I'm already in a massive loss.
@AstaKristjan
@AstaKristjan 6 дней назад
Stay strong, the "S/P 500 grows 10% on average per year" is just that.... an average. So itll be -20% some years +30% the next.
@Andrian-ch3on
@Andrian-ch3on 6 дней назад
I for one I'm not happy about the inflation anymore: Central Banks with the U.S. Federal Reserve should be held accountable. It suprises me when I hear people say they're in profit even when the entire stock market index has lost over 20%. And I'm moved to ask, what do people do?
@Erinmills98
@Erinmills98 6 дней назад
Tho I have some experience with investing, the smartest move is finding a financial advisro with the right skills and exposure in your area of interst (stock). I and husband are doing pretty well with that. It's been a good ride.
@Andrian-ch3on
@Andrian-ch3on 6 дней назад
I've thought about finding an adviser but've been quite unsure if it was the right step for a noob. with this, I'm more convinced and I think I'm a step closer towards finding one. my next problem now is, how do I reahc one.... I see some on CNBC but I don't know them that mch... Do you mind if I asked the particular adviser assisting you?
@Erinmills98
@Erinmills98 6 дней назад
You may Know Kristin Amy Rose but If don't, do look her up. She's been my ad-visor for the most part and it's been a smooth ride.
@BenjaminMcLeod815
@BenjaminMcLeod815 7 дней назад
I’ve been saving for a long time instead of investing, and right now I only have about $516k. I'm not sure how to make it grow into something substantial that I might use for retirement. I just here for ideas
@Scottlong267
@Scottlong267 7 дней назад
its best you look for an FA for smarter investment decisions
@Thomasbonner752
@Thomasbonner752 7 дней назад
The issue is most people have the "I want to do it myself mentality" but not equipped enough for a crash, hence get burnt, no offense. In general, Financial Consultants are ideal reps for investing jobs, and at firsthand encounter
@PhilipMurray251
@PhilipMurray251 7 дней назад
Please can you leave the info of your lnvestment advsor here? I’m in dire need for one
@Thomasbonner752
@Thomasbonner752 7 дней назад
Amber Kay Wright is her name. sub the web for her
@PhilipMurray251
@PhilipMurray251 7 дней назад
I looked up her full name online and found her page. I emailed and made an appointment to talk with her; hopefully, she gets back to me.
@oscargamer3982
@oscargamer3982 10 дней назад
I expect AMS59K to over take ethereum in market cap in 2 cycles
@matthew1106
@matthew1106 2 месяца назад
This is the best example of a moderator in a debate I've seen in a LONG time. Wow. Almost fully impartial, kept them on topic, did recaps, forced them to define their mindset and why they thought that. The moderator was the MVP of this debate IMO.
@themetamentors
@themetamentors 2 месяца назад
When I’m looking for ‘em partial / moderator. Tom Bilyeu is cream of the crop!! Love it!
@huntncover
@huntncover 2 месяца назад
What was needed was sorely lacking - someone to tell them that they're both wrong . The rich man's game is coming to an end . That's why all of the big hitters are selling their stocks in their own companies , and why they have built and are ready to go into their underground bunkers . They know what's coming because they planned it all , and they know it's not going to be pretty . Especially for those on the surface , where they don't intend to be .
@billdyer4243
@billdyer4243 2 месяца назад
Yes great job
@jerrudhirschey7479
@jerrudhirschey7479 2 месяца назад
Tom to moderate presidential debates!
@david.morebau
@david.morebau 2 месяца назад
Agree 100%
@brandonjustes947
@brandonjustes947 2 месяца назад
Reminder to self, come back in 10 years and re-watch.
@metapresentations8918
@metapresentations8918 2 месяца назад
When you watch this in 2034 Peter Schiff will seem like the prophet who knew everything. Raoul will be an example of the delusion that was pervasive.
@Passerby8822
@Passerby8822 2 месяца назад
there will be no "10 years"; it's all going to be over in 3-6 years "ALL-- EVERYTHING" !!
@chrismale9976
@chrismale9976 2 месяца назад
​@@metapresentations8918😂😂wake up ffs bitcoin gona wreck him as it has for 15 years
@hamradiocq
@hamradiocq 2 месяца назад
Bitcoin 2.7million dollars, gold 5500
@kengaroo5170
@kengaroo5170 2 месяца назад
Central Banks can use governments to sanction Bitcoin when the CBDC comes out. The same is true with gold or silver. Still, China, Russia, India, etc. have been stock piling gold for over a decade.
@rociolovio6545
@rociolovio6545 10 дней назад
As usual, great job. Please do a deep dive on AMS59K. I recently invested as I believe in the project, but would love to know even more.
@ambertraceyy
@ambertraceyy 28 дней назад
Please buy Bitcoin and don’t listen to Peter, if you can though. He's just too stubborn as a mule. I regret not following my instinct and bought bitcoin some months ago when its price was between $20k and $25k because i listened to Peter. It's quite devastating now.
@fredm1
@fredm1 28 дней назад
This is why I only take advices from my advsor for good entry and exit points on any buys. Best decision yet.
@josephbush
@josephbush 28 дней назад
Right, a lot of folks downplay the role of advisors until being burnt by their emotions, no offense. I remember some years back, during the covid-outbreak, I needed a good boost to stay afloat, hence researched for advisors and thankfully came across one with grit. As of today, my cash reserve has yielded from $350k to nearly $1m
@debwes1
@debwes1 28 дней назад
@josephbush May I know the name of the advsor who has been assisting you, please?
@debwes1
@debwes1 28 дней назад
Thanks for this. Found her and looked through her credentials before contacting her. Once again many thanks.
@keithbellair9508
@keithbellair9508 27 дней назад
Shitcoin is all hype.. there is no predicting it.. it relies on hype and propaganda to go up..
@francoiscadieux738
@francoiscadieux738 2 месяца назад
Peter Schiff's 480p camera shows where is the best store of value.
@reallyshel
@reallyshel 2 месяца назад
Lmao the same old logitech
@squishyplums2415
@squishyplums2415 2 месяца назад
Peter's investments have tanked so much he can only afford a 480p camera.
@crochetninja5752
@crochetninja5752 2 месяца назад
😂
@thatmatty231guy
@thatmatty231guy 2 месяца назад
@@squishyplums2415 💀💀
@ravenkhoury
@ravenkhoury 2 месяца назад
240p barely
@jameswells0327
@jameswells0327 Месяц назад
What we really need is to get Peter Schiff and Michael Saylor in the same room!
@axejokertv5336
@axejokertv5336 Месяц назад
"People who use gold as a store of value,we call them poor" 🤣
@FIX-IT-Yourself
@FIX-IT-Yourself Месяц назад
That will never happen. Saylor will never debate Peter Schiff because he has too much invested in $hitCOIN and knows full well that Peter is more than capable of instilling his greatest fear and more than the small amount of doubt required to SCHIFFt the HODL (Hold On for Dear Life) mentality to RYL (Run for Your Life). GET OUT WHILE YOU STILL CAN. $hitCOIN is the 2nd biggest ponzi in history, second only to the largest ever ponzi scheme currently being run by the US Government with the aid of the Federal Reserve.
@russbilderback
@russbilderback Месяц назад
Schiff doesn't belong in a room with Saylor, and Michael probably wouldn't waste his time with Schiff.
@FIX-IT-Yourself
@FIX-IT-Yourself Месяц назад
@@russbilderback YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT!!!! Saylor doesn't belong in a room with Schiff he belongs in a prison cell. The amount of people he advocates should invest all their money into $HITCOIN is criminal. A lot of people, including you obviously and every other HODLer, will unfortunately be left holding a digital wallet 'full of nothing' when the 'whale pumpers' like Saylor head for the exits, culminating in a huge transfer of wealth from the foolish greedy delusional (getting in at the elevated price levels) to the cunning and nefarious who will decide the best opportunity to exit this massive ponzi scheme. Good luck to you and all the others who freely participate in this 2nd largest ponzi scheme, second only to the largest ponzi scheme currently being run by the US Government and the Federal Reserve. Don't say you haven't been warned or cry to the government for regulation. No one should take pity or have any sympathy for anyone who gets burned playing with fire.
@aries6776
@aries6776 Месяц назад
Why? Schiff would just embarrass himself even more with his anti-bitcoin mania. BTC is overtaking silver shortly in market cap and in a couple of years I think it will have surpassed gold too.
@JamieClemenger-ze5pt
@JamieClemenger-ze5pt 14 дней назад
My investments in stocks and crypto are not meeting my expectations. Any last minute tips to improve my situation and make more $$$? Really need some urgent advice
@JulioIbanez-mb4il
@JulioIbanez-mb4il 14 дней назад
Keeping up with news sources like CNBC could help out Just buy when prices are low and sell when prices rise
@PhilDurham-gw8qd
@PhilDurham-gw8qd 14 дней назад
A lot of folks downplay the role of advlsors until being burnt by their own emotions. Over the years, Ive been able to achieve a level of financial growth that I never thought possible, by just partnering with seasoned traders and financial advisors. This method remains highly efficient even till today
@ArmandoMelaj-et4pi
@ArmandoMelaj-et4pi 14 дней назад
JodyNorman has always been on the top of my list..She is regarded as a genius in her area and well knowledgeable about financial markets.
@FilipShekh
@FilipShekh 14 дней назад
Yeah. Jody's strategy is one of the most effective among other experts. Many others are not dependable.
@ArmandoMelaj-et4pi
@ArmandoMelaj-et4pi 14 дней назад
I highly recommend her if you want excellent collaboration.
@richardhaysom
@richardhaysom 29 дней назад
This was one of the most fascinating debates I have ever listened to. I am seventy years old and have been self employed since my late twenties. I appreciated both sides of the discussion and the moderator did a fantastic job in controlling the debate and expressing his own views. I think it’s fair to say that this debate reflected generational differences which added to the interest. I totally "got" Peter Schiff's perspective because his is the rationalization that I have grown up with. However, I was intrigued by Raoul Pal's perspective and actually found it inspirational, and perhaps that is what is needed in this world right now more than anything else. Congratulations to you three gentlemen, you all did yourselves proud!
@investoroncoke
@investoroncoke 28 дней назад
They are both full of it. Bitcoin is a speculation product and a poor means of exchange Gold is a commodity and store of value but mostly propped up by peoples egos. Raoul exposed himself when he said the point he backs bitcoin is his ability to make money from it.. Dollars. It all comes back to making dollars - the real means of exchange. Both speakers have an agenda and bias, thanking them for that is foolish. Sorry, just being honest
@bradshawlitigation5544
@bradshawlitigation5544 24 дня назад
@@investoroncoke And you're on coke, so we should definitely value your opinion.
@bradshawlitigation5544
@bradshawlitigation5544 24 дня назад
Agreed. Great discussion on the issues.
@keystonefreebordcrew1482
@keystonefreebordcrew1482 21 день назад
Really? I went in open minded, and was very Disappointed at what peter said his argument was very loose and he made paul raul's point for him many times. Peter needs to do his homework and actually come up with valid arguments. Using his watch as an example of how gold has value and Bitcoin doesn't has to be the dumbest thing I've ever heard.He proved that gold is not much different from Bitcoin.
@keystonefreebordcrew1482
@keystonefreebordcrew1482 21 день назад
Nobody Mentions The fact that if gold at some point is able to be created from other Materials, then the price of gold will dump like Crazy.Because the supply goes way up and it will become worthless.That's the biggest thing I think about when you compare the two. They aren't much different.
@frankscott1708
@frankscott1708 2 месяца назад
Despite Peter & Raoul being so close in age, I can't help but notice how they embody the thought patterns and conversational styles of their respective generations. Peter is pretty solidly a Baby Boomer in strength of conviction and emphasis on values and continuity. Meanwhile Raoul is classic Gen-Xer, introducing a lot of space for uncertainty, self-critiquing and investigating the implicit biases of the different economic narratives.
@rhynojosh
@rhynojosh 2 месяца назад
Underrated comment
@etishbite456
@etishbite456 2 месяца назад
Raoul is more versatile better mind.
@nick-oi1xf
@nick-oi1xf 2 месяца назад
Great observation
@alexpapaefthimiou1282
@alexpapaefthimiou1282 2 месяца назад
It seemed like Schiff didn't have enough respect for the younger generation. A few comments were really dismissive.
@MarkMark-ji6ts
@MarkMark-ji6ts 2 месяца назад
I'm Gen-X Bitcoin is an open source algorithm with 20K permutations. Good luck betting your future financial health buying bitcoin at 40K+ USD I prefer income producing equities, property and some cash.
@warlordwillie422
@warlordwillie422 2 месяца назад
We need a Michael Saylor debate with Peter Schiff!
@mbrum3230
@mbrum3230 2 месяца назад
And whats he gonna say?
@deepshallows
@deepshallows 2 месяца назад
Not gonna happen. Waste of his time
@BradKwfc
@BradKwfc 2 месяца назад
Saylor....😅
@Addzaye
@Addzaye 2 месяца назад
MS would destroy him
@A.I.-
@A.I.- 2 месяца назад
Michael "Trust me bro" Saylor
@MaxWell-pp9zs
@MaxWell-pp9zs 16 дней назад
should have titled this the clash of economic titans. Passive Bitcoin investments rely on momentum, simple, yet often misunderstood. No free lunch in finances. 5k in doge made me half a million after taxes, i threw that into futures now holding over $4m in de-fi assets
@Joe900-px3nt
@Joe900-px3nt 16 дней назад
you simply lucked out
@MaxWell-pp9zs
@MaxWell-pp9zs 16 дней назад
ill credit that to my research that led me to emily ava milligan, a top fund manager rather than luck. 500k to where i'm at is impossible without skill
@SaraNisha-fw4uk
@SaraNisha-fw4uk 16 дней назад
Its interesting how similar our experiences are. I pulled in 450 grand last month, thanks to my fund manager. I also use gold as a hedge against surprises, I'm on both teams. It's encouraging when i see others make tangible results
@MaxWell-pp9zs
@MaxWell-pp9zs 16 дней назад
same here, the true worth of a capable fund manager should be evident from their performance within the first few months. It's wonderful to have a community like this, delving into these topics
@HananOich
@HananOich 10 дней назад
I copied her name and pasted it into my browser, her website popped up. Finding a good reference like yours is rare, I appreciate you sharing it
@latenines
@latenines 10 дней назад
Hey Peter, if Bitcoin is such a bad asset, why is there a "Pay with Cryptocurrency" button on your website?
@dustinbowers8688
@dustinbowers8688 Месяц назад
How did no one bring up the fact that GOLD went from $1,750+/- in 2012 down to $1,000+/- in 2015? Gold is also a volatile asset also.
@anotherperspective5682
@anotherperspective5682 Месяц назад
It's true, it's just the difference in volatility is vastly different. Gold had a traditional technical correction after a 600% run between 2001 and 2011. Losing less then 50% after a 600% gain is actually really impressive, I mean for a precious metals.
@Re-Loadz
@Re-Loadz Месяц назад
nailed it.
@KingKong-li2lg
@KingKong-li2lg Месяц назад
Central Banks had to beat it down so they could LOAD THE F UP!
@jobuhayes8767
@jobuhayes8767 Месяц назад
What happens to the value of bitcoin if computer people create several other digital currencies with a finite number of units?
@smirking8457
@smirking8457 Месяц назад
@@jobuhayes8767Nothing - because BTC is network dependent - as all value structures are
@Celikmanzerrin
@Celikmanzerrin 20 дней назад
Thanks for the advice! I'm new to financial planning and wasn't sure where to start. Any tips on finding a reliable financial adviser or resource to guide beginners?
@GeraldLoftin822
@GeraldLoftin822 20 дней назад
I'd recommend Sam Deymon as the ideal finacial adviser to use.
@GeraldLoftin822
@GeraldLoftin822 20 дней назад
He's TE LEG RAM....
@GeraldLoftin822
@GeraldLoftin822 20 дней назад
@samdeymon53 💯..that's it = 4 advise..
@OumarHajar
@OumarHajar 20 дней назад
Cant thank Mr Sam Deymon enough $538,650.00!
@OumarHajar
@OumarHajar 20 дней назад
Great content for the best person thanks for your sharing raod
@Lind355
@Lind355 2 дня назад
Thank you for keeping it real with us. We're all getting hit over the head with these prices, the good thing is being in a position to pay these prices. I feel really bad for those who are not in the position to pay for their basic needs.
@RichardPatrick823
@RichardPatrick823 2 дня назад
Investment has been the easiest means to save and multiply money because money left for saving always ends up used without returns...
@AnnAA296
@AnnAA296 2 дня назад
You're right, but a lot of people remain poor because of ignorance.
@JamesS167
@JamesS167 2 дня назад
That is true my dear, Investment is the best idea presently and without it, human struggles are worthless.
@ChristJo971
@ChristJo971 2 дня назад
mrs vika silver has really set the standard for others to follow, we love her here in the UK as she has been really helpful and changed lots of lives
@Roge414
@Roge414 2 дня назад
Will forever be indebted to you .Vika Silver. You changed my whole life, I will keep preaching your name for the world to hear.
@dwaynesview
@dwaynesview 2 месяца назад
Peter is fighting for his company and the gold industry as a whole. He’s clearly threatened by Bitcoin because it’s a new store of value. It’s the preferred hedge for young people.
@RandyMarshUSA
@RandyMarshUSA 2 месяца назад
100%
@EroticOnion23
@EroticOnion23 2 месяца назад
21 million x 0 = 0
@kwolitek4785
@kwolitek4785 2 месяца назад
Yeah that's why he got laughed at on TV for years warning you about the housing collapse, to sell gold🙄 And after that huge transfer of wealth, the elites came up with an even better scam... sell these idiots imaginary nfts and cryptos🤣
@neildeakin4454
@neildeakin4454 2 месяца назад
None of the central banks are buying Bitcoin. What are they buying?
@beaglethecutestdoglula6716
@beaglethecutestdoglula6716 2 месяца назад
Thats the point. Who cares about we are moving to a new paradigm of money where we don't need central banks.
@animismusworks6237
@animismusworks6237 2 месяца назад
For those who believe, no proof is necessary. For those who do not believe, no proof is possible.
@helenkessler6012
@helenkessler6012 2 месяца назад
You just described the mass deformation being forced on societies. Just a vapor.
@HerrschmannNachmann
@HerrschmannNachmann 2 месяца назад
well, if those who believe will be proven wrong I am not so sure if they agree to your statement
@karriemsharief
@karriemsharief 2 месяца назад
For those who believe, there’s room for disbelief. For those who know, there’s no room for belief.
@megbride5645
@megbride5645 2 месяца назад
Exactly
@anthonyprice3353
@anthonyprice3353 2 месяца назад
200 million users of bitcoin currently. It's called consensus. It could also be called proof. Depends on what your measure of proof is. Perhaps after this bull market where the residual users have doubled to 400 million?
@jackgoldman1
@jackgoldman1 18 дней назад
Well done excellent debate. The winners were Raul Paul, Peter Schiff, and all of us.
@enginestarter664
@enginestarter664 2 месяца назад
"What would have to happen for you to reverse your opinion" was the best question ever.
@blakelwhitney
@blakelwhitney 2 месяца назад
too bad neither answered it. nothing will convince peter to change. honestly i wouldn't be surprised if he's secretly hedging his own bets with bitcoin.
@taxationistheft711
@taxationistheft711 2 месяца назад
@@blakelwhitney He has been accepting btc for payment of gold since the early days. Hmmmmm
@muntkins
@muntkins 2 месяца назад
@@blakelwhitneyyou hit the nail on the head… he would never publicly admit such thing
@trinitylove8535
@trinitylove8535 2 месяца назад
💯
@blakelwhitney
@blakelwhitney 2 месяца назад
@@muntkins any sound investor would diversify into the new asset class just in case.
@TomBilyeu
@TomBilyeu 2 месяца назад
WARNING: I will never ask for your contact info in the comments section, that is someone impersonating me!
@atheplummer
@atheplummer 2 месяца назад
@TomBilyeu I'd really love to see this exact presentation with Raul Paul and Richard Heart... It won't be the whole gold vs. BTC... The reality is, one is physical & the other is digital & nothing more than a win/lose proposition between buying & selling. Richard Heart will bring new information to the table in that he's figured out how to improve use as a currency, how to invest your asset to earn more of the asset (without wasting electricity in mining), & has both inflationary and deflationary properties. Heart uses the BTC model, but improves it for everyone.
@Ackermanmedia
@Ackermanmedia 2 месяца назад
This is another ABSOLUTE red flag this is a scam all over the world. If Raoul truly believed in this phantom "asset" he would debate me.
@Thedogfathersd
@Thedogfathersd 2 месяца назад
What was their opinion on Shiba inu
@TechnologyBuzz3000
@TechnologyBuzz3000 2 месяца назад
Thanks for this debate Tom!
@anthothiyahisrael422
@anthothiyahisrael422 2 месяца назад
Watch out for the temple in Jerusalem. It will put silver coin over the top.
@majeretime86
@majeretime86 16 дней назад
Peter isn’t looking at the possibility of gold fading away. In this day and age we have material sciences that could have a breakthrough that makes gold irrelevant. Even jewelry could be made with a carbon nanotube or something even better with digital properties to make jewelry “smarter”. I’d like to ask him, if a technique to make gold out of air tomorrow, would you still feel like gold was valuable?
@Jeannette-ei9xd
@Jeannette-ei9xd 21 день назад
QUESTION⁉️ What happens if the grid goes down to Crypto or Bitcoin ⁉️
@Gman979
@Gman979 15 дней назад
Yes especially when Washington and Congress threaten to cut off Internet of China and Russia. Reason why China banned bitcoin.
@krista_b253
@krista_b253 6 дней назад
same thing that would happen to your credit cards and ATMs. If the grid goes down, we have bigger problems.
@puretruth6379
@puretruth6379 2 месяца назад
Peter Schiff says, " Bitcoin is 60K, but it was 60K 2 years ago." Gold was $2000 in 2010, 14 years later, it finally broke above it. Did he forget?
@pesh909
@pesh909 2 месяца назад
*btc currently 72k
@American_Kneeler
@American_Kneeler 2 месяца назад
He probably forgot about his stock market crash predictions for the past 15 years as well haha.
@RR-jj1ee
@RR-jj1ee 2 месяца назад
Did it also go down over 70% in that time?
@big_red_machine3547
@big_red_machine3547 2 месяца назад
He’s a moron who doesn’t even understand how and why bitcoin has value. No clue
@gigglesinside
@gigglesinside 2 месяца назад
He also said BTC was going to zero when it was 3k 😂
@jerelrobinson3762
@jerelrobinson3762 Месяц назад
long story short.. people just need to realize that we as human beings as a collective are the ones that assign value to anything. That this done through supply and demand, scarcity and abundance.
@carlosrivera-tc3zv
@carlosrivera-tc3zv Месяц назад
Well said, We put price on rocks (diamond)metal(gold) and is all about supply and demand. Basic economics. $ is paper, the more we print, it worth less. Go back to history, Greece and Rome. look at what happened then and now with the Fiat currency. People collectively can make the difference (GAMESTOP), not only the "big shoots"....
@user-fb7jr2fb1q
@user-fb7jr2fb1q Месяц назад
I don’t think the value of anything is determined collectively, but rather on an individual basis according to the need of the individual. Only you can decide what you can or can’t live without. When all things are scarce, the collective is not relevant, to the survival of the individual.
@phantomcharger568
@phantomcharger568 Месяц назад
Actually I'd say the real value of something is determined by what it cost to replace it. Bitcoin has no value other then what people think/say it's worth, gold cost man power, diesel, equipment, repairs, land and taxes paid on it to replace this real asset. (And even with that, there's still a finite amount of it in the ground) You can do literally nothing with digital tokens other then trade them, they have no real/actual value, but unlike other assets they do hog up a lot of real world electric and computing power. I would also add gold= money for 5k years Bitcoin= money for what, 10- 15 years? Yeah, no, sounds like a fad to me.
@Basic-Reviews
@Basic-Reviews Месяц назад
@@phantomcharger568it actually costs a lot of money and computing power to generate Bitcoin, it’s not like you blow a balloon and woala you got Bitcoin, doesn’t work like that.
@LuisCortezChapin
@LuisCortezChapin 28 дней назад
Hope to see more of these debates, thank you Tom.
@oklufbokluf2839
@oklufbokluf2839 23 дня назад
wow dis is a disscussion what i want t see. Neu channel found. love you! Bought m first btc and altcoins. im hyped. learning and research is my new daily goal. First Question: witch presale shall i buy?
@silverlion5384
@silverlion5384 Месяц назад
Mr. Schiff. 30:39 Gold is not the best conductor of electricity, SILVER is the best conductor of electricity; followed by copper then Gold. Gold is # 3. Silver is a strategic Metal used in industry, military weapons solar panels, cell phones, electric vehicles, computers, televisions, mirrors, medical equipment. The mining ratio is 7 to 1 . The purchase ratio is about 85 to 1. Silver is massively undervalued.
@brendand1937
@brendand1937 Месяц назад
100% silver stacking dwarves both arguments
@MannElite
@MannElite 22 дня назад
I don't think this is true. I think Gold is the best conductor. Why would they use gold for PCB components if silver is better and 80x cheaper? Same with cables, like high quality audio cables for example are gold plated, and marketed as gold plated for superior conductivity and less loss of the audio signal. Also, silver cables would tarnish over time, and again I'm not like a scientist so maybe I'm wrong, but it would seem like as the silver tarnishes it would be come worse and worse at conducting, where as gold doesn't tarnish.
@hubblebublumbubwub5215
@hubblebublumbubwub5215 22 дня назад
He likes silver as well, though he way over-emphasizes gold.
@Gold_Silver.
@Gold_Silver. 21 день назад
Silver demand for solar and EV’s 📈
@jeromedenis4754
@jeromedenis4754 19 дней назад
Gold is pavement in heaven. It's just a mineral, a rock, a metal that's pretty.
@ThinkingCrypto
@ThinkingCrypto 2 месяца назад
Peter has been wrong about Bitcoin for over 10 years, he has lost all credibility.
@immigrantsagainstimmigrati2557
@immigrantsagainstimmigrati2557 2 месяца назад
Think about who is controlling BitCoin!! Bitcoin isn’t different from stock markets and banks!
@vambo13257
@vambo13257 2 месяца назад
make a case for Gold and Silver over crypto, you can't!!!!@@immigrantsagainstimmigrati2557
@Patriccist
@Patriccist 2 месяца назад
@@immigrantsagainstimmigrati2557 its all because ofcovid and 5 g
@din3832
@din3832 2 месяца назад
a lot of what he says is on point, just that on bitcoin he is in denial, since his business is gold. its like the candle factory pissed of on electricity.
@pex8151
@pex8151 2 месяца назад
​@@din3832 😂😂😂
@fishrrelaxing9361
@fishrrelaxing9361 29 дней назад
I pray for this to happen in my lifetime so that I can help my family and friends through it.. my greatest fear is at some point that time will eventually come and by then we won’t have the populous that has the basic skills and knowledge to get through those times.. I’m ready and been preparing for this for 2 decades now.. let’s rip the fn bandaid off now while the people with the solutions to fix it are still here
@Carmelia630
@Carmelia630 3 дня назад
Sir I have one question, everytime I buy low and sell high I should be making more money right? But my wallet becomes less and less, why is this?
@alicegomez7232
@alicegomez7232 Месяц назад
Given the approval of several Bitcoin ETFs, I'm cautious about FOMO and the potential of a tulip mania scenario. What are the most effective strategies to invest $500k in crypto for maximizing profits in the next 9 months?
@lucasanderson8993
@lucasanderson8993 Месяц назад
Profits hinge on capital; it's recommended to engage with a genuine market strategist to prevent errors and sustain consistent gains.
@tommychestnut5335
@tommychestnut5335 Месяц назад
True. This is why I work with an investment advlsor. I currently have $690k in a well-diversified portfollo that has experienced exponential growth and is well-matched for every season of the market. We are now working on a more figures for this year.
@wellsHannahh
@wellsHannahh Месяц назад
May I know the name of the advsor who has been assisting you, please?
@tommychestnut5335
@tommychestnut5335 Месяц назад
Heather Lee Larioni… that’s my advisor’s name. Thank me later.
@wellsHannahh
@wellsHannahh Месяц назад
Thank you for this amazing tip. I just looked the name up, wrote her explaining my financial market goals and scheduled a call
@KreamyKone
@KreamyKone 2 месяца назад
I don't need wealth, I'm happy with good shelter and food to share with family.
@azizboumiza3449
@azizboumiza3449 15 дней назад
Talking to Peter Schiff feels like chatting with my 75-year-old farmer grandpa.
@Randy-MacDonald
@Randy-MacDonald 10 дней назад
Your grandpa must be a wise man.
@anndrake492
@anndrake492 25 дней назад
get rid of zoning laws which stop a person from building their own house! its a supply and demand thing with the government creating the shortage via restrictive zoning.
@ProfRogers
@ProfRogers 2 месяца назад
Speaking as someone who has watched financial interviews for a decade. This is one of the best interviews I have seen with 2 of the greatest financial minds and a great host.
@tramac
@tramac 2 месяца назад
Lol. How can you say that. This Peter guy is a complete idiot. Lack of intelligence.
@galeru
@galeru 2 месяца назад
I don't know man. This peter schiff guy is a clown. There are way better arguments against bitcoin if you go through the letters sent to SEC to object the ETF approval. Things like how it's centralized in terms of miners, threat of quantum computing etc. Entertaining to watch tho.
@johnnygringo2239
@johnnygringo2239 2 месяца назад
schiff doesn't have a clue what he is talking about.
@av-tv.
@av-tv. 2 месяца назад
i agree, superb interview.
@jaimeaguirre4424
@jaimeaguirre4424 2 месяца назад
a decade of experience and this is one of the best interviews... BRUH... Peter is a joke.
@michaelchin3550
@michaelchin3550 Месяц назад
Both Peter and Raoul are very smart dudes. Excellent video. I really appreciate both viewpoints.
@Weldeborn
@Weldeborn Месяц назад
Totally agree. I have a little bit of both gold, silver and bitcoin. I would love to see Bitcoin succeed, but it still has some way to go. Needs to be more stable to be able to use it really
@aries6776
@aries6776 Месяц назад
Raoul is smart.... the other guy is just a dinosaur that will be extinct soon.
@michaelchin3550
@michaelchin3550 Месяц назад
@@aries6776 I guess you did not listen to the whole debate. Buy a beer with Bitcoin. LOL
@MoisesDelJesus
@MoisesDelJesus Месяц назад
@@michaelchin3550 No, Neon. what i'm telling you is that one day, you won't have too
@aries6776
@aries6776 Месяц назад
@@michaelchin3550 lol I couldn't listen to any more of his anti-bitcoin BS and switched off. EDIT: Yes QE is evil, was that the underlying point? We've known this for 2 thousand years! So many civilizations have run into this issue. They devalue their currency and their empires collapse. Which is why bitcoin is the solution. He's still arguing for gold vs bitcoin right up to the end! He's just a dinosaur who will be poorer than someone who moved their same capital from gold to bitcoin.
@leonamambrosio2140
@leonamambrosio2140 14 дней назад
For the discussion 1:13min there is a city in Brazil called Rolante which may the city with more merchants already accepting Bitcoin. More then 200 stores where you can already use Bitcoin from your digital wallet. So, how about if other cities adopt the same policy? Is that plausible?
@stuartflaugher8350
@stuartflaugher8350 14 дней назад
And what happens when there's no Bitcoin to mind and what happens to all the miners and the secure network?
@J-Rod73
@J-Rod73 2 месяца назад
Possibly the BEST Bitcoin debate I've seen. Both sides of the argument are super legit. 🔥🔥🔥
@donkeybus
@donkeybus 2 месяца назад
Schiff has a tremendous blind spot for what makes things stores of value, and it's because his livelihood depends on that blind spot. strange to watch as he is a smart guy otherwise.
@mattmcginley7
@mattmcginley7 2 месяца назад
Peter is a fucking idiot who demonstrates over and over again he has no idea how digital properties have real value
@zachbeall6810
@zachbeall6810 2 месяца назад
The basis of Peter's argument is "the reason gold has value and Bitcoin has none is gold has practical, real world uses/demand outside of just being money". considering gold's non monetary uses constitute a tiny fraction of its monetary use, I think that argument is bs.
@J-Rod73
@J-Rod73 2 месяца назад
@@zachbeall6810 I agree. All I know is that crypto has been and continues to be the fastest horse. I just hate that once we all make our gains, the majority of us are going to sell our crypto back into the fiat system we are trying to escape. 🥴
@chuckdawit
@chuckdawit 2 месяца назад
But see that's why you're wrong, because gold has a large use case outside of money. There's a large percentage of goods we produce today that cannot be created without gold. Gold being used as money is a small percentage of use today, so your assumption is actually the opposite of the truth.@@zachbeall6810
@Lexman00
@Lexman00 2 месяца назад
Thank you for making this debate possible. Hopefully we can get a Peter Schiff vs Michael Saylor debate soon.
@brettrevelle8788
@brettrevelle8788 2 месяца назад
I've thought about this debate for a while. Would love to see this.
@-whackd
@-whackd 2 месяца назад
You need Peter Schiff to say that Bitcoin is going to zero for 10 more years? What exactly about Schiffs argument changes?
@williamkreth
@williamkreth 2 месяца назад
That would be amazing but I feel that would probably butt heada really badly
@Jacobcurman
@Jacobcurman 2 месяца назад
Micheal Saylor is too knowledged to waste time on Peter Schiff
@iBuyBitcoin
@iBuyBitcoin 2 месяца назад
Saylor would OBLITERATE Schiff like nothing
@rodneymyers6728
@rodneymyers6728 15 дней назад
Really great debate. Enjoyed the debate format and the mutual respect both sides showed one another while making sure to get their voice heard! Thank you very much.
@Jay-xq1dc
@Jay-xq1dc 19 дней назад
We need more debates like this, when people on "both sides" challenge each other beliefs we really get a better understanding. Great episode @Tom
@davehenning7747
@davehenning7747 2 месяца назад
I can't wait to watch this in about 3-4 years. Tom, thank you for this. This is beautiful.
@cyberft
@cyberft 2 месяца назад
Both of these guys were making these arguments 3 - 4 years ago. Peter Schiff is a clown, and what he’s selling is an antidote to fomo. No one that invest in his funds makes money but hey, you get to feel good.
@rjwassenaar7511
@rjwassenaar7511 2 месяца назад
And then what? If BTC is 2 or 3 million in 4 years, Schiff will still be able to say it "will go to zero, because it has no intrinsic value", and Pal could be saying BTC will bounce right back if BTC is around 5000 by that time. But what is obvious is that although there are extreme fluctuations, the lows are getting higher with each run. So, watching it again in 4 years will most likely be a disappointment, because it will give NO clear answer to who was right. But my money is on BTC.
@spacewalktraveller1
@spacewalktraveller1 2 месяца назад
This is the first time I've heard them in about 4yrs, and they are saying exactly the same crap. They both have been saying this crap since the GFC 2008, and they both missed the biggest bull market in history. They have no idea what they are saying.
@rjwassenaar7511
@rjwassenaar7511 2 месяца назад
@@spacewalktraveller1 So, what is your story in a nutshell then that is completely different from both Peter and Raoul?? Seriously, I am very curious to hear a different, and better, perspective. And to give you start, i would like to point out that I am sure Raoul has seen an extreme growth of his wealth, since he has been in crypto since (I believe) 2012 or 2014. And that means he probably did much better than just being in stocks. By the way, Raoul could impossibly have been saying "exactly the same crap" since the GFC 2008, because nobody ever heard of cryptos in 2008 or 2009.
@MrManny075
@MrManny075 2 месяца назад
Are you sure about that? How sure are you, that you will be around in 3 to 4 years? Go back to the real world, you only have this moment, tomorrow is a mystery
@sokaiya1
@sokaiya1 16 дней назад
When we started with Bitcoin, the premise was to keep it outside of the hands of the bankers. Today, the bankers are in control of it and own a large majority and control the on and exit ramps.
@cryptozeno
@cryptozeno Месяц назад
Gosh, you learn more about money management and wealth by listening to Tom, Raoul and Peter than 5 years in the university. We need more of this healthy debates.
@DanteSlappedyouwithfacts
@DanteSlappedyouwithfacts Месяц назад
Peter was right,gold hit a alltime high
@dongshengdi773
@dongshengdi773 Месяц назад
​@@DanteSlappedyouwithfacts USD dollar is also in all time high. Tesla , Apple, Google, Nvidia, Microsoft, all in All time High. And Bitcoin is also in all time high and Bitcoin is the fastest horse in the race
@backcountyrpilot
@backcountyrpilot 24 дня назад
@@dongshengdi773The value of the Dollar relative to gold, Bitcoin, real estate, stocks, commodities shrinks over time because there is almost no restraint on inflating the supply.
@Blezster
@Blezster 29 дней назад
Could you talk a little bit bit more about the wave four? Loving your videos! Thank you.
@BreathingInDM
@BreathingInDM 13 дней назад
Mate, seeing you first time... But this kind of confrontation is so f..cking awesome! You are staying aside... Letting them speak using arguments. Great stuff... All the best bro... Subbed.
@AndreiJikh
@AndreiJikh 2 месяца назад
Dude this was so good - I watched every minute. I have way more questions than answers
@LucyDarlington
@LucyDarlington 2 месяца назад
And your channel is great too, every minute of it. That said they never mentioned about confiscability of gold as was done several times in the past. In essence, Bitcoin is about Property Rights. For example, during WWII the nazi government looted over $200 million in gold from the Jews (which equates approximately to over $4 Billion in 2020 currency) to finance their wars to acquire more land. Because someone (or a government) can just kill you to take your gold. But today with Bitcoin (aka “digital gold”) they can still kill you but they cannot get the bitcoin(s) as easily as gold.
@moneroai
@moneroai 2 месяца назад
Yeah I loved that finally we can get two people that disagree with each other instead of it always being one side. Wished they mentioned monero though lol.
@candycaneunicorn8024
@candycaneunicorn8024 2 месяца назад
Oh look the guy with the annoying voice.
@hunterhemingway
@hunterhemingway 2 месяца назад
@@candycaneunicorn8024meany head. Andrei your voice is mid. Goldilocks zone. You’ll be okay ♥️
@jconn1111
@jconn1111 2 месяца назад
Ask the question of what is real and what will feed your family.
@isiglz
@isiglz 2 месяца назад
After this interview I really respect Raoul. His form of Conversing and questioning ideas is on a whole other level
@jimbobarooney2861
@jimbobarooney2861 2 месяца назад
Bollox
@Jawsh98
@Jawsh98 2 месяца назад
Agree 100%
@meme64561
@meme64561 2 месяца назад
Totally agree
@mbrum3230
@mbrum3230 2 месяца назад
Not unusual for a con man.
@opsecclassified6469
@opsecclassified6469 2 месяца назад
​@mbrum3230 a bit salty huh....😅😅😅😂
@kaiserwaldon
@kaiserwaldon 27 дней назад
A refreshing highly valuable debate for us to form our own ideas, we need to see more opposing long form across all topics.
@powderpuff6078
@powderpuff6078 16 дней назад
I have even more respect for Schiff!!!❤
@mrandmrssmithofficial
@mrandmrssmithofficial Месяц назад
ONLY TIME WILL TELL. THIS VIDEO WILL BE WATCHED FOR MANY YEARS TO COME. Well done Tom!!!
@Donkor640
@Donkor640 Месяц назад
Hindsight is 20/20… Unfortunately we can’t invest in hindsight, so we have to research and make the best decision based on the information available today.
@griftinggamer
@griftinggamer 29 дней назад
​@Donkor640 I was in bitcoin at $8 when I was a teenager playing video games and some dude told me about it and all I could do with it was buy drugs on silk road. While I kick myself every day for selling way prematurely, instead of realizing how many suckered there would be, I definitely agree with Peter's side. Bitcoin has no more intensic value than fiat currency. It makes no sense. It's like the great Tulip speculation. It's based on "muh technology" and "you boomers wouldn't understand". I was a 20 year old bitcoin (almost) millionaire and today I have gold, silver, guns, ammo, and real estate...Bitcoin never added up, I'm still skeptical that it's some globalist banker psyop tbh. Today it feels like people are reeled into it as a pump n dump dreaming of the massive upside people like me had...well...I think that's over. Any nominal rise in bitcoin will be due to pure speculation and inflation of the underlying fiat currencies used to purchase it.
@Donkor640
@Donkor640 29 дней назад
@@griftinggamer That’s an amazing story to have $8 BTC! I wouldn’t beat yourself up about selling it though, because nobody expected it to be this huge in such a relatively short period. Even Raul has a story of selling off a bunch of his Bitcoin after making huge gains on his early investment. I think the problem people have with taking cryptocurrencies seriously is that it’s human nature to cling to the way we’ve done things in the past. There’s a level of certainty in the status quo, and there’s its uncomfortable to branch out into something new. But once you explore the Crypto space and realize how many innovative projects are being developed, you really get the sense that this space will be a large part of the global economy. I’m convinced that anyone who doesn’t understand that part of the puzzle just hasn’t done any research in this space. I’m almost 50 and the overarching narrative of my lifetime (thus far), is that if you can’t keep up with emerging technologies then you’re going to be stuck in the slow lane doing things the hard way.
@orlandomalo6191
@orlandomalo6191 2 месяца назад
One of the greatest link ups we didn’t know we needed
@-whackd
@-whackd 2 месяца назад
No it isn't. Peter Schiff is mentally ill. He has been on record saying Bitcoin will go to zero every year for the past dozen years. If you listen to this fool, your brain is broken.
@ariesbull
@ariesbull 2 месяца назад
💯 agree… enjoyed every minute!
@SilverStoll
@SilverStoll 2 месяца назад
Both made excellent points
@michaelholmes8848
@michaelholmes8848 2 месяца назад
Who’s we?
@GroovyNomad
@GroovyNomad Месяц назад
the viewers @@michaelholmes8848
@surecockhomes
@surecockhomes 25 дней назад
Thank you guys for covering all angles and getting along😂 love watching.
@richardb4787
@richardb4787 29 дней назад
I heard of tracking chips embedded in precious metals. That, right there, decreases its safety value. And indirectly increases pre-chip "junk" coins value.
@HomeSlize
@HomeSlize 2 месяца назад
I watched this debate twice. Great to see experts like Schiff & Pal debate about Bitcoin, the current state of the economy, history & the future. I also appreciated Tom’s moderation, definitely kept the debate on focused, and also appreciated his thoughts.
@marlifalize3191
@marlifalize3191 2 месяца назад
Tom, it was really nice to hear you moderate this conversation so well. It was really respectfull.
@Huntress101
@Huntress101 2 месяца назад
Tom you did great! That was not easy!
@joycehaines2055
@joycehaines2055 2 месяца назад
It easy to get the temperature out of control, you did a great job. I bought gold at the bank, tried to save but 1dollar gold from the bank is same as 1 paper and people trade it straight across so in long run I was not able to save it. Tokens are easier not to spend. It’s still an invisible asset. One carton of eggs is worth one jar of pickles an a small jar of jelly. So value is what that the other person can use in their life to sustain it.
@phil1297
@phil1297 2 месяца назад
Tom - you moderated expertly. This was a great meeting of the minds. Great show. One of your best.
@exxonrcg
@exxonrcg 2 месяца назад
yup. Enjoyed the discussions and appreciate you ocassionally stepping in to get back on track
@jb9433
@jb9433 2 месяца назад
How can he moderate it well if he is in one of the camps???
@kinglewy5772
@kinglewy5772 24 дня назад
The only question in the Bitcoin vs Gold debate is can Bitcoin drop below $999 in an extended 2 year recession? I like both asset, but I worry about Bitcoin in an extended recession
@Mattyg08
@Mattyg08 28 дней назад
Amazing conversation, interesting points from both sides. Brilliant interviewer
@stephaniemosher8611
@stephaniemosher8611 2 месяца назад
Tom, I really appreciate how you interject to keep the conversation in line, summarize their statements so it’s understandable and provide support to the discussion.
@stephaniemosher8611
@stephaniemosher8611 2 месяца назад
“Trying to be understood, not convincing” I’m using that. Wow. That is going to help my relationships so much in all kinds of conversations
@nopemerry7410
@nopemerry7410 2 месяца назад
We have already had tokenized gold, it used to be fiat money
@nick-oi1xf
@nick-oi1xf 2 месяца назад
Yep, and it failed
@bar8665
@bar8665 2 месяца назад
It went from money to currency. Difference.
@bar8665
@bar8665 2 месяца назад
​@nick-oi1xf the money didn't fail lol the politicians did.
@Semi_Successful
@Semi_Successful 2 месяца назад
That's why they took it off the Gold Standard. And then it turned into a fiat currency.
@bestprice1776
@bestprice1776 Месяц назад
Government can't be trusted with money. Bitcoin can't be controlled by any government and therefore is the perfect money.
@MrMILLYS77
@MrMILLYS77 11 дней назад
Plenty of business globally are now accepting btc as a form of payment
@bryanshepherd2703
@bryanshepherd2703 24 дня назад
This was great! Thanks for the content
@kenrebro2746
@kenrebro2746 Месяц назад
Two gentlemen debating the way a debate should be. Add to that a moderator who moderated as it should be done.
@crvermeer2808
@crvermeer2808 Месяц назад
Not rrally. Peter is explaining his view. The other is just asking manipulatieve questions.
@egeneraltnf
@egeneraltnf Месяц назад
OH THIS WAS SO GOOD! Can we get a part two at the end of the year?
@extraclip
@extraclip Месяц назад
Peter: bitcoin is shit, buy my nft 😂
@Wavetheory85
@Wavetheory85 10 дней назад
I’m glad to see two of the RU-vid financial titans going at it. I’ve been listening to both Raul Paul and Schiff on a weekly basis since 2017 and my first bitcoin purchase back in 2014 but was only for the purposes of online poker until 2017. Both are very good. I’m more aligned with Schiff’s views. Elliot Wave is the key.
@charleekimball6551
@charleekimball6551 2 месяца назад
I have listened to both of these guys often, and have learned a lot from both. Great debate. So impressed with your skills, Tom, in keeping this debate engaging. Raoul was very respectful.
@AstralProbes
@AstralProbes 2 месяца назад
more like douchey 🙂
@chumamakasi6682
@chumamakasi6682 Месяц назад
I learnt quite a bit listening to both sides, good one.
@NateSecor
@NateSecor 2 месяца назад
Raoul, you're forgetting that Peter has called 14 of the last 3 bitcoin crashes.
@bestprice1776
@bestprice1776 Месяц назад
I think Peter might have predicted even more Bitcoin crashes than 14..... Doesn't matter I still buy every dip
@commentz-1
@commentz-1 17 дней назад
😂🤣😂🤣
@mattanderson6672
@mattanderson6672 26 дней назад
Brilliant interview, thank you!!
@Godsontechy
@Godsontechy 23 дня назад
Happy to be here 💯. So much learning
@mikezamos
@mikezamos 2 месяца назад
Very professional of Schiff to have an ad on his background..
@ThinkingCrypto
@ThinkingCrypto 2 месяца назад
lol, shows how desperate he is
@dre44r56
@dre44r56 2 месяца назад
Super desperate as his business is failing and calls everyone crazy morons because they believe in a modern version of Gold that outshines its primitive roots. Hope to never hear Peter's bullshit again.
@TheTerrypcurtin
@TheTerrypcurtin 2 месяца назад
ANNOYING
@whiteglove5723
@whiteglove5723 2 месяца назад
ETF of gold vs Bitcoin is not even comparison… Bitcoin will eat gold!
@immigrantsagainstimmigrati2557
@immigrantsagainstimmigrati2557 2 месяца назад
Who cares! Nobody isn’t forcing you to buy anything! Everyone has right to sell and advertise for something!!
@jacksonthomas3775
@jacksonthomas3775 2 месяца назад
Peters argument, I prefer receiving my letters in the mail, I can hold it and prove I have it.
@T.DeCervantez
@T.DeCervantez 2 месяца назад
😂
@bahmak2003
@bahmak2003 2 месяца назад
Why can’t you prove email? Bitcoin uses cryptographic proof of ownership!😂😂😂😂
@lestermcpherson2487
@lestermcpherson2487 2 месяца назад
This answer.........Legend.
@daveandpaige6471
@daveandpaige6471 2 месяца назад
Just look at what's happening. If electric and Internet go down you will see people jumping off. This is their playbook.
@culluc43
@culluc43 2 месяца назад
How about trusting the election process? What would you trust more, paper ballot or some kind of a internet election on the blockchain?
@mrright1068
@mrright1068 14 дней назад
Fantastic debate. Great Job getting them both together Tom.
@zerosum789
@zerosum789 7 дней назад
It's unfortunate that schiff can't be more polite. Otherwise this is a very valuable debate.
@AnonDa
@AnonDa 2 месяца назад
Peter is demanding BTCs success is measured by it being used as a medium of exchange and unit of account.... when gold isn't used as such either
@GloriousReign
@GloriousReign 2 месяца назад
Facts 💯
@Semi_Successful
@Semi_Successful 2 месяца назад
And that's the issue with currencies today.
@joshholm1000
@joshholm1000 2 месяца назад
Good point.
@Elmgren76
@Elmgren76 2 месяца назад
It was used for thousands of years until Nixon took the dollar off the gold standard in 1971.
@isaacpound5881
@isaacpound5881 2 месяца назад
Sure put it back onto gold standard. But you still have centralized entities and trust issues then ​@@Elmgren76
@daniellovecchio6235
@daniellovecchio6235 Месяц назад
"The internet is just a fad." - Newsweek Magazine (1995) "The internet may be just a passing fad." - Daily Mail (2000)
@ousamaabdu794
@ousamaabdu794 Месяц назад
To be fair.. Very very few people or publications said the Internet would be a fad..
@cman5461
@cman5461 Месяц назад
lol "Daily Mail". Please don't tell me you are comparing something with infinite value(internet) to Bitcoin?
@clarkg5946
@clarkg5946 Месяц назад
I'm sure many said tulips were just a fad too.
@Donkor640
@Donkor640 Месяц назад
@@cman5461I believe Crypto has infinite value, but it’s tied to the internet making it impossible to really contrast the two. Just like internet use cases weren’t clearly understood 25 years ago, crypto uses are in their infancy.
@davehooper6481
@davehooper6481 Месяц назад
The Internet turned out to be very useful, which bitcoin is not, and it got faster, which bitcoin certainly could never do
@whdndrn
@whdndrn 15 дней назад
For 10 years there was no inflation. It showed up only in the last 2 years. So the 10 years of printing did not cause massive inflation.
@jonborcherding5424
@jonborcherding5424 12 дней назад
The most significant similarity is that neither gold nor bitcoin are edible.
@seanarmstrong8497
@seanarmstrong8497 2 месяца назад
All great guys. Raoul is a gentleman, doesn't cut people off and wants open discussion for learning. Schiff is in the discussion to win it. Just what I'm noticing. And to be fair, he is super successful obviously so is use to forcing his view to get the success he wants. Just different communication styles. All great people with great input. Thanks to all. I love to see both view points. Both have value.
@AndrewClarkePhotography
@AndrewClarkePhotography 2 месяца назад
How many times did he talk over shiff
@annabelquintero1651
@annabelquintero1651 2 месяца назад
I think Paul was insulting but I don’t think he is self aware, and that Raoul & Tom were gracious with him knowing thats his style.
@-whackd
@-whackd 2 месяца назад
Schiff is not super successful. He would be super successful if he wasn't saying Bitcoin is going to zero for the past 10 years. He has literally made the worst investment call in history.
@neildeakin4454
@neildeakin4454 2 месяца назад
"Schiff is in the discussion to win it" I don't think he was but he still did, again..
@jackcrook4435
@jackcrook4435 Месяц назад
@@neildeakin4454 Ah, I see you missed the point of the comment here.
@johnfajer7691
@johnfajer7691 2 месяца назад
Spoiler alert: They're both going to give returns in an inflationary financial system. Great debate. I love Raul and Peter. Both have greatly expanded my understanding of finance, wealth, and currency.
@user-ye4ek7gq5c
@user-ye4ek7gq5c 2 месяца назад
Peter is an effing idiot. There is enough proof for me from his political blabbery that he either doesnt see and doesnt want to see things correctly in the outside world or is just a corrupt shill for someone else’s interests
@michaelmarino3144
@michaelmarino3144 2 месяца назад
Crazy to see a debate where both agree on the problem but see two dramatically opposed solutions.
@davidzawistowski4073
@davidzawistowski4073 2 месяца назад
Bitcoin is a scam. It’s something that can be duplicated in every aspect. The amount of energy pushing bitcoin is the red flag.
@africaninvestor7032
@africaninvestor7032 2 месяца назад
@@davidzawistowski4073explain
@bookofbrah
@bookofbrah Месяц назад
@@davidzawistowski4073It can't be duplicated in every aspect, sorry but you really didn't understood it.
@maycohmfic3127
@maycohmfic3127 3 дня назад
Tom, you gained a subscriber! Outstanding equalized moderation. You are a smooth operator, Cheers!
@Ezenwamadu-rr5jd
@Ezenwamadu-rr5jd 3 дня назад
I agree with Peter 100%. My own way of explaining bitcoin is this: "hoping on bitcoin is hoping on USD$".
@hajaminola
@hajaminola 2 месяца назад
Sounds like Mr. Schiff is a little bitter that he MISSED THE BOAT in 2010. Pump it to $150k by end of 2024. I "gambled" my student loans in 2011 to buy $5500. Paid my student loans in FULL plus interest when I graduated in 2015. Left the USA for good right after college to retire overseas. God Bless Satoshi. Satoshi changed the course of my life.
@ivecadit
@ivecadit 2 месяца назад
That's fucking awesome!
@gainknowledgeandinsight
@gainknowledgeandinsight 2 месяца назад
Sooooo good!!! Love that!
@mattp_743
@mattp_743 2 месяца назад
You can tell a lot about people who listen compared to those who interrupt. Ral is an unreal listener. And genuinely respects others perspectives (why wouldn’t he, everyone is entitled to their reality). Ral has an amazing humility and his incredibly adaptive mindset is why he is such an unreal mentor for those who dare listen, and stay humble. Thanks Ral.
@dapsolita
@dapsolita 2 месяца назад
I agree whole-heartedly 😊
@mdevvvo
@mdevvvo 2 месяца назад
he sounds like a sarcastic prick at 1:30:47 to me
@prouse376
@prouse376 2 месяца назад
Because Peter is talking nonsense. He's like the people that said the internet was a fad and had no real use.
@mdevvvo
@mdevvvo 2 месяца назад
saying you like to invest in companies that pay a dividend and have earning is nonsense? also, that is such a strawman, who was saying the internet was a fad with no use? like 2-3 90 year old senators? that was never a prevailing sentiment @@prouse376
@mdevvvo
@mdevvvo 2 месяца назад
saying he likes dividend stocks and companies with earnings is nonsense? Maybe 1-2 90 year old senators said the internet was a fad with no real use. thats a total strawman. that was never the prevailing sentiment @@prouse376
@gerikeith287
@gerikeith287 24 дня назад
Great interview , love an honest debate
@tordoveias
@tordoveias 27 дней назад
Thank God that when the internet appeared, it wasn't Mr. Peter Schiff who decided whether we could adopt it or not. The world would be much poorer....
@marcobolo2513
@marcobolo2513 2 месяца назад
Peters ego will never allow him to admit he was wrong about BTC
@gigglesinside
@gigglesinside 2 месяца назад
Exactly! He blocked me on Twitter cause I show his old tweets when he said BTC was going to zero. Said at 3k sell fast it's going to zero 😂
@big_red_machine3547
@big_red_machine3547 2 месяца назад
He’s a boomer rep who shills his gold companies. He can’t be this dumb, and nobody should even be giving him any airtime. His only claim to fame was “ predicting the financial collapse “ but he didn’t even do that. I personally know 5 guys who predicted it months before him. He’s a nobody
@Scorch428
@Scorch428 2 месяца назад
Hes incapabable of critical thinking. which is why he cant answer what would make him stop believing in gold.
@nicholas296
@nicholas296 2 месяца назад
Hmm.. time will tell..
@faitaccompli5878
@faitaccompli5878 2 месяца назад
He sells Gold, so he can never admit he's wrong, he'd go out of business.
@seanarmstrong8497
@seanarmstrong8497 2 месяца назад
Thank you Raoul for confronting Peter about thinking it is okay to insult people. We all need to lift our game and consciously respect everyone.
@richardb4787
@richardb4787 29 дней назад
Tokenized gold. I see it on the Stellar network.
@richardb4787
@richardb4787 29 дней назад
You can wear a tattoo of the public encryption key. Vehicles carry signs with website URL of their business.
@danieldayton7814
@danieldayton7814 2 месяца назад
This was a good discussion and both made their cases. I actually felt enlightened. This is how the world should work and how we learn! Thank you!
@crochetninja5752
@crochetninja5752 2 месяца назад
Agree!
@Fearzero
@Fearzero Месяц назад
Peter demonstrates he knows nothing about bitcoin and Raol doesn't know the selling points of it.
@chriseden9907
@chriseden9907 Месяц назад
Sell it then.
@GFY11
@GFY11 2 месяца назад
32:25 Watching Raoul's face as Peter says Bitcoin and Easter Bunny in the same sentence was priceless 😂
@tstilley1000
@tstilley1000 2 месяца назад
That was awesome! I’m with Peter
@weegieboard8432
@weegieboard8432 2 месяца назад
yeah awesome! you stay poor with your tulips@@tstilley1000
@GFY11
@GFY11 2 месяца назад
@@tstilley1000😂 He said tooth fairy as well 😂😂😂
@prouse376
@prouse376 2 месяца назад
​@@tstilley1000 I remember hearing the same thing about the internet.
@GFY11
@GFY11 2 месяца назад
@@prouse376 Life was better before Internet
@kickingsaturday8442
@kickingsaturday8442 6 дней назад
Prove to me that there’s gold in Fort Knox. My stepmother is an FBI agent retired. She said there is no gold in Fort Knox is my step mother lying.?
@Mr_Biyana
@Mr_Biyana 27 дней назад
Peter reminded me of the saying “You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make them drink”
@sgill4833
@sgill4833 Месяц назад
Hate when the gold vs bitcoin debate always devolves into jewellery.
@italianstallion399
@italianstallion399 Месяц назад
I haven't watched the vid yet so I don't know this particular context but to be fair, it is relevant for gold because of the demand from India and China especially. I like both of these things so I am not anti BTC.
@ericlorge3453
@ericlorge3453 Месяц назад
There is no devolution. Jewelry is literally the only real argument for gold's intrinsic value (apart from it being a pain in the ass to extract).
@sgill4833
@sgill4833 Месяц назад
@@italianstallion399 that's fine. But it's been argued ad nauseum. Any commodity can be used as a monetary instrument. Intrinsic value of commodities is not a limit to a ledger based system of credits and debits.
@sgill4833
@sgill4833 Месяц назад
It's been argued ad nauseum. Any commodity can be used as a monetary instrument. The intrinsic value of commodities is not a restricting limit to a ledger based system of debits and credits. I think gold is imperfect and impractical and bitcoin is obsolete and impractical. Gold is not portable and bitcoin is not fungible. An ideal and perfect money would have both these characteristics.
@ericlorge3453
@ericlorge3453 Месяц назад
​@@sgill4833 Bitcoin isn't fungible? That's one of its greatest strengths. You literally just hit BUY or SELL on your phone and someone will be on the other end of the trade, 24/7/52. Also, I see your point about anything as a commodity - even art, which serves no purpose. However, that's precisely why jewelry keeps coming up. Gold bugs - who argue Bitcoin is intrinsically valueless - need to somehow reconcile that argument with the pointlessness of gold's main use-case - jewelry.
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