The very word "preposterous" is Greek. Beside, I don't know if you have noticed, every time one wants to express a sophisticated, complex meaning or idea, there is little choice but Greek. Excellent lecture, by the way! congratulations and thanks for being so kind with the Greeks (not so common nowadays).
Thank you, Dr. Cecil. Your lectures are fun and full of wisdom. I hope you are feeling better in 2023, as I have learned you have not been well. Linguistics, how fascinating! Adit Greek, Greek, Plutarch, Latin, Classical Latin, Vedec , Chinese, Athens, Constanople, Rome, who is what ? Automan Turks, Cleopatra spoke many languages. European economy. It's all Greek to me. (LOL) But I have been learning. Japanese 2000 years, natural concepts. We live in a democracy, and I don't think so. Thomas Paine, Paine,"The Age of Reason." Thomas Jefferson, who owned slaves loved Plutarch. NewTestimate and Greek Orthordox spoke Latin. Torah comes from many of the Greeks that spoke it. The Catholic and the Orthordox church and Russian Orthordox and their battles. Supreme Court, look at it in 2023. Mercenary Armies still exists today through all these wars for profits.The prodetisant reformation, Martin Luther. Plutarch loved to gossip. There were a lot of gossiping on and still is. This so great. I loved Heraclitus the best, he stated," One can not step in the same river twice." Human nature. One sure can step in horse shit, though, as the pickpockets of greed assumes powers. Futhernore ,2023 isn't looking so well. We can only light the torches with wisdom with integrity and with intelligence and hopefully one lives to add to history with philosophical arguments and insights for generations to come.
Dr. Cecil, I love your lectures! I am in grad school and you have inspired me to do much better research. You really are a gifted storyteller. I listen to your lectures to relax and enjoy myself now. Thanks. =)
Thank you so much for uploading these lectures Wes. I have not been able to leave the house due to a car accident I was in recently so I really do appreciate it. Now I don't have to miss out! :) Cheers, Jasmyn
And one of the most famous writers of Greek mythology was a Roman who wrote in Greek. Ovid. The bicameralism is also quite similar to the system the Haudenosaunee (Iroquois) used, just split into two separate legislatures rather than splitting the legislature into blocs.
Wesley Cecil ends his lecture proclaiming >20% of our language comes from ancient Greece and~ 80% of our ideas come from ancient Greece, which sums nicely the immense influence and benefits we acquired from Greece!
Which language have the Greek derive from? Vinca script /similar to Cyrillic language, spoken by Danube civilisation 7500 BC. Romans were the successors of Etruscans, Etruscan was deciphered using todays Cyrillic language. So which is the first European language. How come Sanskrit is very similar to Slavic languages and Hindu DNA haplogroup is predominantly R1a which is most common among Slaves.
Mother of all languages is Proto Serbian and I can prove it. Do you know that wild Greeks came to Pelasgian land and found culture and proto Serbian language and they just mixed with Pelasgian people and learned everything there? Here are just some examples. You can see first word is Serbian, second word is Greek and third word is German (Serbian, Greek and German) (ili-Alla-aber) (utočište- eutoichiste- Zuflucht) (blizu-pljsion-nahe) (breme- brjme- Gewicht) (koliba- kalyba- Hütte) (hod- hod-Gang) (Tece voda protiv vode-Teke wudas proti wudei-Es fliest Wasser gegen Wasser) (činim- xinjm- ich thue) (daleko- tale ko- entfernt) (dar-dar- Geschenk) (danak- danj- Abgabe) (delim- dieljm- ich teile) (Dever- dawer- Schwager) (trljam- tribo- ich reibe) (dom- dom- zu hause) (drzim- drassjm- ich halte) (duplo- diploo- verdoppele) (dva- dwo-zwei) (idu- ithuo- ich gehe) (jedan- jadon- eine) (grebu- grabo- kratzen) (kakim- kakam- ich scheiße) (klizam- kluzam- ich gleite) (glina- gli- klei) (kljuc- kljs- Schlüssel) (komora- kamara- kammer) (kanim- koinam- ich thue) (Koliko- kelikos-wieviel) (Kos- kossyf- Amsel) (klisura- klision- Schlucht) (kobila- kaballes-Stutte) (kokot- kokkos-Hahn) (leto- leto-jahr) (levo- laevos-linke) (mak- mak-Mohn) (manje- mjon-weniger) (mama-mamma- Mutter) (muva- muia- Fliege) (meljem- mullem- ich mahle) (merim- meirjm- ich messe) (mesec- meis- Mond) (magla-omichla- Nebel) (nosim-nisso-ich trage) (oko- oko- Auge) (orem- arom-ich ackere) (palica-pelekys-Keule) (put-pat-Weg) (pecem-peso-ich brate) (pero-ptero-Feder) (pijem- pjm-ich trinke) (pivo- pino- Bier)
The throwaway comment about the Forth Crusade is misleading. The events that led to the sack of Constantinople in 1204 were varied and complicated, and make for some fascinating and educational reading. It wasn't at all a simple affair.
Hey Wes! Feed me more :)) great stuff!. The way you tell it makes all the difference. Teach students with passion and they'll be coming back for more. You remind me of Neil deGrasse Tyson who also know how to capture his audience, that guy loves what his doing. Teaching has to be done like story telling, passion-passion-passion, that's what divides a great teacher from a boring one.
Greek scholars head out of Constantinople and coincidentally the Renaissance kicks off. Not really. The Greek scholars were the initial spur of the the Renaissance. Not a coincidence.
Not really. Western Europe had been slowly but surely rediscovering Greek texts from about the year 1000, mostly via Muslim Iberia. The Crusades in outremer was also a catalyst. The Renaissance didn’t suddenly happen overnight. It was a gradual development.
Can I just ask if there really is no change of image for this entire lecture? And how this guy can be so expert in so many different subjects? Korean language and literature, and William James?
I can tell you other story !! From Karpat basin Schytians(pre-magyars) migrated east-south(Schytians) west(Celts) .Few geographical names still recognizable=Samos,Karpathos,Kos-Arad,Arpad,Kis-Uru-Solyma(Jerusalem) The word (BALTA,s) same even today in magyar,greek,turkish,mongols,bulgars ,uyghurs. Ruha(clote) same. Sumer-Phoenicians,Canaan ,Myceans are the same people =Scytians!! Archaic greek actually magyar with=is -mos added
minute 19:30 he talks about Alexander thats was a great smasher but i have read that he ordered the foundation of many cities called alexandrias (what an ego hahaha)
He re-established and renamed cities; he did not build government structure, there was no political vision and no economic trade in the empire. Compare that to the Roman or Ottoman empires.
rumour has it, that there is somewhere on the internet, a post, talking about something related to greece/greeks/greek culture, and there are no angry greeks commenting bellow.
[23d]Upon hearing this, Solon said that hemarvelled, and with the utmost eagernessrequested the priest to recount for him in order and exactly all the facts about those citizens of old. The priest then said:
Ok, I could take the inaccurate dates, the humor, the provocation until the claim that Alexander left nothing but plunder. Could the speaker at least bothered to research the number of cities Alexander founded? Wikipedia? And there was nothing extraordinary about the imperial administrative structure of Alexander's empire. This is how empires were ran.
20 and after that ours. And theduration of our civilization as set down in our sacred writings is 8000 years. Of the citizens,then, who lived 9000 years ago, I will declareto you briefly certain of their laws and thenoblest of the deeds they performed:
I think the 24 who gave this a thumbs down must have been watching upside down. They can be forgiven since greek writing looks the same from every angle.
FROM TIMAIUS OF PLATO 23c] of your existing city, out of some littleseed that chanced to be left over; but this hasescaped your notice because for manygenerations the survivors died with no power to express themselves in writing. For verily atone time, Solon, before the greatest destructionby water, what is now the Athenian State wasthe bravest in war and supremely wellorganized also in all other respects
At 4.55 he says Greek ceases to exist at about 12.04. WHAT RUBBISH????? This lecturer is not with it. The Greek language existed then and continued. There were other centres of power in Nicea, Pontus and Epirus along with Mistra.
+Discovios no epirus .epirus was albanian your country have forbidden languages minorities in greece there are many people still ine epirus who speak albanian
+mihal papi Are you nuts? try to find Albania on a map prior to a few hundred years ago and how about showing me an ancient Albanian text gl lol clown.
Albanian propaganda. The Ionian Greeks had mixed with the Pelasgians, Carians therefore considered themselves autochthonous to the land. On the other hand, the Doric Greeks thought of themselves as pure Hellenic and superior. Here is the root of the difference between these two greek people. Both of them saw themselves superior. Now Albanians, go prove yourself that you are a worthy people through your acts. Stop trying to steal culture and history from other people. You have been exposed.
Alexander did not build anything? Wow i am amazed, i thought until now that i am strange... And by the way, the conqueror today what the hell they are building ?, example America ?..
Read also Ramayana Mahabharata it stated that the Greeks the king's of the Aryans ghet the West after the Mahabharata world war earth will be devited in four.dwarka the round city of Krishna is atlantis.only 8 ethnicities existed back then 5000uears ago all Europeans decent from the Greeks.
This guy has a lot to learn about Alexander the Great and the Macedonians.Alexander wasn't only about smashing and grabbing.The city of Alexandria in Egypt shows this reality.Alexander the Great build many roads and buildings and created new cities throughout Asia.The Romans were Greek in culture and in race that's why many Greeks accepted the Romans and vice versa..It sounds like you got a crash course on the Greek language and Greek civilization.And the Macedonians were sort of Greek anyway.?Are you kidding me.?They were 100% Greek and nothing else.
I'm not at all an expert but I found his comments there pretty rough too. Greek influence on Roman culture goes back before the Roman Empire. There were Greeks colonies in Italy, Sicily and elsewhere, as he mentioned. Etruscan and early Roman art has very clear Greek influence, as a result of the interactions between the colonies and traders. I'm less sure about Alexander, but as far as I'm aware it was more complex than a "smash-and-grab operation." But this was an otherwise decent lecture. I knew Greek culture has been important for the West (and beyond) but Dr. Cecil's examples and explanations were still very illuminating. The influence is much stronger than I recognized.
but you miss the point; although I do think he is a little shallow on the East/West struggle going back to the Trojan War (as Herodotus saw it), the revenge desired by alexander on the Persians for invading that whole area was a Macedonian goal as the persians had marched into Europe until repulsed by Marathon, Salamis, Athenian & Spartan wins, etc, but the back & forth, back & forth, later, the Ottoman Turks, then, World Wars dividing up Palestine, to current middle east invasions of Iraq, even the israli/palestine problem, ongoing struggles between East & West; "Persian Fire" is an excellent book about the ancient struggle between greek-speaking peoples (Macedonia areas quickly folded to the great Persian empire & "medized", i.e., submitted to Cyrus & Xerxes), and the Persian East; but conquerors of any kind are often viewed negatively today, although a Hellenized then Romanized East was not entirely a bad thing; I think his view short-changes the fact that humanity will always go to war for a multitude of reasons that are complex & not easy to understand....but asia minor was originally full of Greekspeaking -city-state-colonies, with the great natural presocratic philosophers coming from that area, and Byzantium (Constantinople, Istanbul) was originally a Greek colony, also. The Great Divide seems to run right through the Aegean Sea, and has for a very long time right back to the Bronze Age with shifting east/west boundaries of disputing cultural conflicts, & ideologies.
Not sure he does sort of narrows it down to Alexander's personally and he might not be all that wrong about it. The Macedonians and Greeks that stayed behind and run the administration were doing an impressive job keeping everything together but Alexander himself really just wanted to conquer as far as his feet would take him - so to speak.
Are YOU kidding me?! I don’t seem to remember reading that, under Alexander, the Macedonian empire was a coherent political and economic structure; that’s why it disintegrated after his death.
There’s a lot of inaccuracies in this lecture...Ancient Greek was the Lingua franca of the eastern Mediterranean after the conquest of Alexander the Great...spoken by everyone as a first or second language, as well as the language of culture and education... it wasn’t confined to only the elite as suggested in this lecture...this continued to the time of the eastern Roman Empire centred at Constantinople where Greek was adopted as the official language as the majority of its population was and had been Greek speaking since the Hellenistic era
Absolutely. They had to introduce diphthongs for B’s and D’s after beta shifted to v and delta to th. And eta, iota and upsilon shifted to the same sound.
I begrudge you notthe story, Solon; nay, I will tell it, both for your own sake and that of your city, and most of allfor the sake of the Goddess who has adoptedfor her own both your land and this of ours,and has nurtured and trained them,yours firstby the space of a thousand years, when she hadreceived the seed of you from Ge [23e] andHephaestus,
Modern Greek is the natural progression of the Greek language through time. All the Greek dialects of Greece today have preserved archaisms from the past. This lecturer should not have tenure at a place of Higher Education.
😀😀😀what ancient greek are you say don't lie so much because ancient greek never existed the greek language was created too later by Byzantine church .after divided from Roman empire 😀😀 if the ancient greeks existed then why modern Greeks didn't accepte to called themselves greek until 1832 but called themselves romaikos and engout lie
it's unbelievable how ignorant you must be, and you don't think at all about how you are embarrassing your country with what you say. you forget that here are academic people speaking and the people listening to them are school students, it's not the people you are talking to in your country who are ignorance and illiterate. don't embarrass your country anymore stop exposing yourself
90% of an English medical dictionary are Latin & Greek based; I find the negative comments below absolutely missing the point, too bad. because especially in the history of science & techne-ology, it truly was a greek miracle. Alexander & his dad had to contribute architectural 'propaganda' in Olympia & in Athens to buy the "Greek"" status, they were wannabes so-to-speak who, like the Romans, were influenced by their neighbors, greek-speaking, but somewhat different, also. Aristotle taught Alexander, but am not sure he took the warrior-king out of the man; my greek history professor, although I disagree, called him Alexander the goofball. (?) Anyway, it is not really the point at all, but a historical sense of "the Conquered Conquer the Conquerers" :)
it has been said, that without the WORD, you cannot have the THOUGHT, so I find this lecture & the influence of the Greeks historically particularly in the WESTERN tradition, is absolutely spot-on! in that we should never forget the influence & how , where it goes, there are "rennaissances of thought, time & time again, place after place. not a small thing! and when we stop undertsanding our past, well, stagnation & wilting....
+oiseaudubonheur Ancient Greek Oinos=Wine, Latin Vinus=Wine, Archaic (Mycenean)Greek Foinos=Wine Ancient Greek Oikos=House, Latin Vicus= Village, Archaic (Mycenean) Foikos=House F remember was the early Greek letter Digamma which was similar to a German W.
+Discovios I don't understand the relevance of your comment. The discussion was on "koiné" not, "oinos". The adjective means "common" and is not related to the drink.
+oiseaudubonheur I speak Greek and am Greek. Koine does mean common you are right. I used the above examples to show that "oi" has an ee sound as Latin and Greek share cognates as proof. At times it does have an oee sound in words like Proistamenos too.
