I'm Greek - and I am grateful that the priest was there to correct the confusion on the stage. He was right. The others were wrong. The English Bible has many mistranslations and the word "tempt" was lost in translation from Greek to English. The devil tried to tempt Christ, but Christ schooled him with scripture. A bird can try to build a nest in your hair - but if you don't let it, it means he didn't succeed.
The Greek priest was correct. The Greek word as it was originally written in the scriptures for tempt is πειρασθῆναι (peirasthēnai). Strong’s 3985 definition for that is:”To try, tempt, test. From peira; to test, i.e. Endeavor, scrutinize, entice, discipline.” The devil tried, but the Lord Jesus was not internally tempted. As a matter of fact, he answered the devil’s attempts with the word of God. Matthew 4:1-11
You're right, it's an important distinction. "Tempted" unfortunately can refer to both the active participant (the tempter) and the passive (the tempted) in English, thus leading to the confusion. Hebrews 4:15 says that our high priest [Christ] "... in every respect has been tempted as we are, yet without sin." Christ was tried by all of the temptations that man experiences, yes, but He did not sinfully desire these things, as others have noted, citing James 1:13, "... God cannot be tempted with evil, and he himself tempts no one." Christ is able to be tempted in one way -- that is, the enemy and the world can attempt to lead him into sin -- but he cannot be tempted in the second way -- that is, drawn into sinful desire. It would be like if a person was already very full of food and another person tried to get them to have dessert. The first person is tempted by the second person who offered the dessert, but the first person is not tempted to eat it due to being full. A flawed analogy, I'm sure, but it gets across the distinction.
@@AndrewWilson-ol6jb Perhaps leading to further confusion is how modernity has twisted (at the behest of the father of lies) the term 'passion' into something good rather than how it has been used for the longest historically: being *passive* toward our unreasoning impulses. As such, temptation is seen as a suggestion of freedom rather than the slavery into which our passions lead us.
@@lucas-007 I've actually chatted with him. His reasoning g is the same as all others "we believe Jesus existed because earlier scholars thought as much". Thats not impressive nor convincing.
@@midnightcoffee6463 The true Roman Catholics belong to the Orthodox Church as that is the only church witch is both Roman and Catholic in the true sense of these words.
Stop with these denomination talks. I agree with the priest but I’m just a Christian. I’m more proud to be called a Christian than orthodox, Protestant or Catholic. None of those names exist in the bible.
@@mandatrev2992 The words "sacraments" and "worship" also don't exist in the Bible? How do you think people worshipped God in the Old and New Testament? With smoke machines and hippie concerts? Who is Virgin Mary to you? Do you actually believe that we have a buddy-buddy "personal relationship" with Christ, our Lord? That He is just a little "friend" of yours? See, you were memed by satan into believing that it doesn't matter what church or set of beliefs you hold true to. If you think that all that matters if you believe that Christ is God, then you might be surprised that satan doesn't just believe, he knows that Christ is God. How are you any better if you hold to a sola scriptura fallacy invented 1500 years after Christ?
@@FaithfulComforter thanks man i was born into a baptist house hold we were not very religious but through this content i wanted to cone closer to god but foundout that Christianity has been divided long ago so i had to find the truth i wanted to stay baptist but after looking into orthodox i felt it tug at my heart and pulled me in thank god he did now i know the truth the one true church GLORY TO GOD!
@@T_Wozna The "Genuine Orthodox Church" are Schismatics. They set up Parallel sees to ROCOR in America after breaking communion over the Moscow Reunion.
Sad what is going on with the Presbyterian churches over LGBTQ mafia and their planned communist division of the churches. We are in danger, never forget what they did to the Russians in 1918
The Orthodox priest is correct. What the Roman Catholic priests & Protestant pastors belive is borderline Nestorianism. Christ's human nature is sinless because of the condition of His divine nature. Christ's human nature did indeed posess fallen nature because the entire human's nature is being fallen. That's why we feel pain, suffering, sickness. We're all fallen. However, being fallen is different than being sinful. Since Jesus isn't just a mere human becaise He's also divine, His human nature is sinless thanks to His divine nature. Because He's sinless, He couldn't be tempted by the devil. The devil tried to tempt Him, but He didn't accept the temptation from the devil into Himself. It's clearly written in The Bible. Most importantly on the part when Jesus was in the desert.
But Adam and Eve were sinless and were tempted by the Devil. I believe Jesus also was tempted but chose not to sin. Yes, Jesus is without sin but I don't think it's accurate to say Jesus wasn't tempted.
@@Ben-lh7jgyou are contradicting yourself. You can’t say He was sinless but then say He was tempted, which would be sinning or beginning of a path to sin. He was sinless and He was never tempted because God cannot be tempted at all, lest by the devil
@@orlog3343 Jesus was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin. Hebrews 4:15. I think you are confusing the word tempted with sin. Jesus was without sin and there is no contradiction.
@@Ben-lh7jg you can see someone else in the top comments clearly explain the original Greek word does not mean He was tempted but rather that the devil tried to tempt Christ
The knowledge about God is the truth which the ancient church had, and that truth was and is still preserved in oriental orthodoxy only .. rest all who splitted from her after 3rd ecumenical Council dont have the right to even be calling themselves Christians!!!
@@deus_vult8111 no lmao that is just unhistorical out of all the patriarchates only one constantinople "accepted" the popes terms and even then the then patriarch of constantinople died before giving his signature stop with the lies
Well meaning Evangelicals but they don't know that they are blaspheming the Lord. James 1:13 clearly teaches God cannot be tempted and Christ himself said that he who looks at woman and lusts after her is committing adultery and these people think Jesus being the second person of the Holy Trinity experienced such temptations. God forbid. This is what happens when there is private interpretation of the scriptures without the holy tradition.
Bingo!!!!! Christ under when the external trials, though internally he was passionless and incapable of empassioned temptation. This is the trial he underwent: who, when He was reviled, did not revile in return; when He suffered, He did not threaten, but committed Himself to Him who judges righteously; 1 Peter 2:23
@@morkoan70 Amen! I think Christ's agony in the garden serves to illustrate this. There was human fear in this agony and a desire to escape unfathomable suffering. But Christ's nature, His essence, is Divine; His Will and His Father's Will were (and are) ONE. His human desire to escape suffering could not go against His divine will -- His divine nature. His humanity was made to surrender to His Divinity. And so humanity was perfected through Christ's suffering because it was brought into perfect union with Christ's divine will. Christ is True Man because He is God.
@@michaelrainbow4203I can see where you are going. But the word surrender is dangerous. Jesus Christ learns obedient by experiencing humanness, which demands an obedience to the Father. One part of him, did not, as you say “surrender”: that implies it was free and self operating (blasphemy). Rather, the incarnate divine subject (Christ) conformed the human part of the union to the divinity. The human element did not surrender: that’s blasphemous. Christ became a man and as a man, surrenders his life to the will of the Father. One subject!
@@morkoan70 Yes, I think I can see the subtlety in this. His humanness was in constant obedience (was conformed) to His divine nature -- through the Divine Son's unwavering obedience to (and inseparability from) the Father's will. There was never a time when His humanness wasn't in complete obedience to the Father's Will; never a time when Christ's Divinity and His Incarnation were incongruent or out of alignment. (As you said, one subject.) There was never in Him a duality of divinity and humanity. (A house divided cannot stand.) There was only ever perfect congruence, perfect alignment of His humanity with His Divinity. This is possible only through His Divine nature.
@@michaelrainbow4203the divine subject appropriates the human nature and becomes a man. In becoming a man, he becomes godman (theantropos). It is impossible to divide the natures after the union. All things occur through one divine incarnate subject, not the “divine nature”. More subtly is needed.
The greek priest was right, and the black presumably preacher was right. The Lord may FACE temptation, as he is full man. But facing temptation, and BIENG tempted, are two different things. The Lord was never TEMPTED. He is Lord! Son of the Living God.
Sola scriptura is such a horrible mind trap... and soul trap. Not even the most learned Orthodox theologian could free even the simplest fundamentalist protestant from the jaws of this trap. All of us are, to varying degrees, in love with our own understanding. This is why Sacred Tradition is vital. The twisted doctrine of sola scriptura enflames this human pride and disguises it as righteousness or zeal for God.
"No one has the right to harass our faith, and THAT FILM harassed our faith." This man speaks truth. God is good. الله اكبر. אדוני הוא גדול. May our brothers and sisters persist in the holy BIBLE, the Kitaab elhayat.
Everyone has the right to harass your faith. That's called freedom of religion, and it's a fundamental human right that separates modern, secular societies from medieval theocracies where people where people tortured and burned any perceived nonconformist.
@@HaroldsLastDate Like how people were tortured and killed in the modern secular states of Germany and the Soviet Union? Or China? Or Vietnam? Or Cambodia? Those paragons of materialist secularism?
@@HaroldsLastDate No, I was responding to your comment that only medieval theocracies tortured and burned any perceived nonconformists. So your premise doesn't hold water.
@@andreichira7518I never claimed that ONLY medieval theocracies tortured and burned any perceived conconformists, nor do I think that the right to criticize religion is the ONLY right that separates a modern secular democracy from a medieval theocracy. You managed to combine cherry-picking, straw-manning, and projecting all in one comment.
I'm ashamed of my Catholic representative, he should of know better. We don't teach what he tried to back up, that temptation bubbled up from Christ human nature, not divine nature. May God blessing the Orthodox Priest that stood firm to the correct teaching.
What the people disputing with the Greek priest don’t grasp is the distinction between internal and external temptation (testing). Christ was tempted externally by the devil. Never, however, was he tempted by his holy flesh. To say that his flesh was passionate (liable to produce internal temptation) is to blasphemy Christ, who was without sin.
This is a dispute over the meaning of a word (at least as best I can tell from this short segment). Whether the same applies in other languages or not I don't know, but in English the word "tempted" can refer either to: a) an internal temptation of being drawn away from God by one's own desires (as St James says) or, b) an external temptation of being presented with an opportunity to sin by someone else. For example, if I see a nice car and desire it and start thinking about how to steal it, that is due to an internal temptation. But if someone shows me a nice car and asks if I want to help steal it, that is an external temptation. The second kind is in no way my fault as I am not responsible for the offers others present to me. Christ experienced only this second kind of temptation, that is, He was offered the opportunity to sin (which He refused). But of course the Divine Lord could not, within himself, be drawn away from His own divinity. So Christ did not experience the first definition of temptation. In other words, Christ was offered an external temptation but did not experience internal temptation. (Or at least that's how I understand the English though if I'm mistaken please feel free to correct me.) Being hungry is not in itself a sin. Being offered the opportunity to eat is not even a sin. Yet had Christ accepted the devil's offer to turn stones into bread for the sake of proving who He was, such an act would have demonstrated pride which is the sin by which Satan fell from heaven. Is it then any wonder that Satan began with a temptation like that which caused his own fall?
@@kosmasdamianides1107 You are WRONG !!! The Orginal Greek text says that he was tempted like we all are, but he was NEVER actually tempted. You see you cannot understand the words because in English you cannot understand the difference between the Temptee & actually being Tempted. The Temptee can attempt to Tempt all they want, Christ however was NEVER tempted & was always without Sin because of that FACT. The Diavolo (the Temptee) DARED to TRY to Tempt him, but he could NEVER succeed! Iesous Christos Theou Yios Soter ☦️🐟
Hebrews 4:14-16 14 Seeing then that we have a great High Priest who has passed through the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our confession. 15 For we do not have a High Priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but was in all points tempted as we are, yet without sin. 16 Let us therefore come boldly to the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy and find grace to help in time of need. The notes in my Orthodox study Bible says that “Christ’s empathy with sinners rests on His being tempted in every way we are."
For all his bluster, the guy at the end who thinks he's 'taking His Word over' the Orthodox priest's unwittingly steps into the twin heresies of monotheletism and dualism. The first because he confuses the Person of the Son (Who is fully God and fully man: the Theanthropos) with one will and sets himself up to say that God Himself is tempted in order to 'be like us.' Yes, He is like us in His being fully man, but not like us in His being fully God. Secondly, if God is tempted by the devil, whom He created with free-will to choose between humility and the pride of rebellion in the first place, then the devil is equal to God and we have Manicheism. This is a prime example of believing uncreated reality is similar to created reality, that it's human reasoning rather than Christ Himself - as the Way, the Truth, and the Life - Who allows for us to experience God's uncreated energies.
“I and my Father are one.” - John 10:30 “For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.” - Hebrews 4:15
I think your forgetting the original Hebrew which prophesied the coming Savior in the first place. God has no nationality, but if we're talking the originators of the Scripture, Africa is closer than Greece😏
@@Ghost.SpectrumAfrica and Greece are both a good distance from Jerusalem. And the Greeks translated the scriptures into vernacular with the Septuagint. Africans had to pilgrimage to Jerusalem and only the rich had access to the scriptures. All Greeks could hear the scriptures read every sabbath they’d hear the whole Bible in a year even the gentiles. Even the Romans (who also spoke Greek) could stand at the door and hear the word of faith
The Greek priest is mostly right. Christ was tested/tempted by the Devil in that Christ's human nature was subject to weakness, which the Devil sought to exploit. However, as the God-man, there was in inward compulsion to sin. Christ felt the weakness of human flesh, but at no time was he experience the sinful tendency to break communion with the Father.
The Catholic panel were discussing a film called “The Last Temptation of Christ” which explores the human side of Jesus, suggesting he struggled with many of the same temptations that us as people do. The Greek Orthodox Priest didn’t really like that so he stood up and took ‘em all on.
Christ called us to not even sin in our hearts and Jesus is true to the standard he set for us, he is the perfect sacrifice, no limb was broken on him and he’d never sinned including never sinning within his heart which would include sinning in his thoughts and heart by temptation
Read those passages again. The Orthodox Priest is correct. In no way was Jesus 'tempted'. Satan offered things, Christ gave him the word. Even Satan knew he couldn't do anything against the word.
@juancastillo2900 what is the hogus bogus gibberish trash that you wrote that betrays the severe damage that you suffer from in your prefrontal cortex to the extent that you hardly have a vegetative mind to live with that is why you are laughable foolishness. Since when was those who stand for The Truth of Our Lord and God Jesus Christ are considered controversial. You don't like him because like your father satan, you love to blaspheme The Powerful Ever-Living God Jesus Christ rather than those who stand for His Truth. Go back to the shithole that you came from and don't come to watch videos that are way beyond the white jello in your skull that they mistakenly call brain to grasp or understand or else you will start hallucinating deliriously as you have done in your laughably stupid and foolish comment, or better still come to The Powerful Ever-Living God Jesus Christ and He will forgive you the years of lunacy, ignorance, stupidity, Blindness & satanism of unbelief with its darkness and Blasphemy, sin, filth and foolishness; and He will raise you from the spiritual death that you languish in as He raised Lazarus from the dead by The Power of His Divinity. Otherwise, you will die as miserably as you have lived and you will go to languish in hell for all eternity with your father satan as you deserve for your blasphemies and foolishness.
NOWHERE in Matthew 4:1-11 does it say Jesus WAS tempted. The devil TRIED to tempted Christ, it’s there word for word what Jesus told the devil in return when the devil would TRY to tempt him.
@@a2zz-gk197 Forgive me, I don't remember making these comments...I agree with you actually, but i guess it's important to note we shoud be careful how much we give, so you don't give the wrong idea.
@@johnnykilonzo2103 the last temptation of Christ, it’s a really bad movie with a lot of heresy and it’s just nasty in general, it says that Christ when he was on the cross he wanted to get married to Mary Magdalene and have children. It’s just theological wrong on so many levels.
What priest are you talking about? It was the heretical catholic priest, not the Orthodox priest, who stood Powerfully against this Blasphemous movie. Stop being a liar and write the truth. How pathetic
“Therefore he had to be made like his brethren in every respect, so that he might become a merciful and faithful high priest in the service of God, to make expiation for the sins of the people. For because he himself has suffered and been tempted, he is able to help those who are tempted.” Heb 2:18
But continue with the verse that he shared everything with humans yet without sin. Stop blaspheming Our Lord and God Jesus Christ out of ignorance and stop using scripture out of context because thar is exactly what satan dies. Go learn before coming to write laughable foolishness that only betrays your ignorance and stupidity. How pathetic
The so called catholic priests are one of what God warned us of false prophets and its a disgrace that the devil still disguise himself s such to slander our lord. Thank you to our orthodox priest for standing up.
Catholic here. The Greek priest is correct on this point. These Catholic priests are an embarrassment to our faith. We are bound to the Council of Ephesus as much as the Eastern Orthodox are.
There’s a big difference in someone trying to tempt you & you actually being tempted. Or in clear english: Someone trying to bullshit you & you actually letting yourself getting bullshitted are two completely different things. Jesus Christ wouldn’t make any sense, if Satan would’ve actually successfully got him to sin. Then he wouldn’t have led the perfect sinless life to show us the way. It is disappointing to see church fathers defending Jesus supposedly being tempted by Satan. How can Satan tempt God? That is a logical fallacy.
Did everyone ignore the man at the end? The scripture said Christ was tempted.. It was His divine and holy nature that allowed Him to overcome these temptations. What does “He was in the desert where there He was tempted by the devil” mean to everyone ?
Another user posted this, this isn't my response, so I'll put it on quotes "For all his bluster, the guy at the end who thinks he's 'taking His Word over' the Orthodox priest's unwittingly steps into the twin heresies of monotheletism and dualism. The first because he confuses the Person of the Son (Who is fully God and fully man: the Theanthropos) with one will and sets himself up to say that God Himself is tempted in order to 'be like us.' Yes, He is like us in His being fully man, but not like us in His being fully God. Secondly, if God is tempted by the devil, whom He created with free-will to choose between humility and the pride of rebellion in the first place, then the devil is equal to God and we have Manicheism. This is a prime example of believing uncreated reality is similar to created reality, that it's human reasoning rather than Christ Himself - as the Way, the Truth, and the Life - Who allows for us to experience God's uncreated energies."
Christ has two wills, one human and one divine, but they are in perfect accord with one another. "Tempted by the devil" refers to the action of the devil, not to any sort of sinful desire within Our Lord. To say otherwise is to say that Christ was at war with Himself, and both capable of and guilty of sin.
Christ in the flesh was able to be tempted but was incapable to sin. Temptation in this regards the idea of being persuaded by Satan to do moral wrong. Christ was physically given persuasive arguments to worship Satan but was incapable of sinning. It’s called impeccability.
Where does Fr. Pavlos/Paul get the idea that Jesus wasn't tempted? That's the exact opposite of Scriptural teaching. "For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin." (Heb. 4:15).
To me, tempted and attempted to tempt are very small things when talking about the greatness of Jesus. The triumph over the devil through faith and the power of the Almighty is the message. I do however respect our Orthodox brother's opinion.
@@pcola4594 l the oriental "orthodox" church is not actually orthodox ppl just call it that they are miaphysites/nonchalcedonians. the russian and greek along with others belong to the orthodox church and are in communion with each other.
@@pcola4594 oh sorry was not aware if that but even with that being the case they are still both orthodox ROC has not been officially "excommunicated" so far. inner disputes and conflicts have been happening ever since the establishment of the church. the most recent inner "schism" i can remember was one of antioch and jerusalem back in i think 2014-2016 which was resolved! so only time will resolve the issue its nothing new it has happened and will happen !
What you expect from Guys knowing their Faith from translations. We Greeks have the first scriptures, all others have translations based on our Language wich is richer than other languages
Primarily focuses around the understanding of what it means to be tempted. 1. One can be tempted internally, i.e. someone lusting after something they do not possess. 2. Someone can attempt to coerce someone into doing something (i.e. tempt them) and they can then either react to that temptation and succumb to it or reject it. So it depends upon which manner you read and understand the text, as well as in what language it is that you understand it.
The movie "The Last Temptation of Christ" upset a bunch of people, to the point where they called it blasphemous. Having a bunch of clergy of different denominations get on Oprah and argue about centuries-old arcane points of theology while accusing each other of being enablers and compromising too much with modernity was the way for them to express their outrage.
Hebrews 4:15-16 Speaks of Jesus.. 'For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin. Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need'. I wish all these so called leaders of Christ's flock would actually read the Holy Scriptures! They argue from their traditions and unfortunately not from the Word of God itself!
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This is not what Jesus and God wanted to Christians be like. It is sad to watch. I hope we all take Jesus commands seriously, and can get rid of this kind of "fighting", and mocking others views of religion. Read the Bible, search the truth from there - and you will find it. We all are ONE, in Christ!
