@@filoIII fair enough. I guess each to thier own. However personally the I4 is 1 of the main reason i like the hornet However the dash of the 2009 up isnt my cup of tea. And for that reason I'd choose the 650f (I assume its still I4 i dont know much about the 650f)
I drive the Trident, first Triumph I ever bought, 48 years of only Yamaha 38 of those on 1000 fours. I really like the Trident, nice smooth engine, have no problems with the throttle, suspension a bit hard but also very good roadholding. Comfortly on very long drives + 500km even with luggage. I am 65 years old, 68 kg and 1,67 m. Very bad right knee and shattered left wrist but still driving.
I also owned the Trident for a while and loved it. I had no problem with the throttle either, aside for a second's latency in the acceleration in lower gears.
@@tonydare7614 Never a problem for me, maybe it's my weight, I am only 68kg. With motorbikeclothing 72kg. Could be, the dealer where I go never had any complaints from not one owner. Belgian or European spec different ?
@@fguimara You obviously don't appreciate four cylinder bikes and sound like an accountant. The reason why two cylinder bikes are popular these days is because they are cheaper to manufacture so get yourself a four cylinder bike now because they will be sought after in years to come as future classes in this sterile electric motorcycle world.
thanks for posting....great video. i have a 660 currently but will be taking delivery of a cbr650r when i get back to my other home next week. hoping that i won't be disappointed in it but i'm looking forward to a bike with more wind protection and that feels more substantial for highway trips. i have to agree with a lot of people that the hornet is an ''interesting'' looking bike. not to my taste but to each his own. btw, i thoroughly enjoy the 660. it's great to have so many good choices available.
I drove the Cb650R from norway all across europe through croatia albania Montenegro Macedonia over to italy and across the alps back home to norway. 3 weeks trip. drove about 7000km. was awesome, but comfort was abit rough for that kind of trip. but totaly worth it. thing i missed was the Low end power. 2 pass cars etc, u need to have it high revs for it to be quick and fun for my taste. but bike is beautiful. got it as my first bike during covid. drove it 12 000 km first year before i tradet it in.
Loved this video. I have a 650 V Strom which I love but the Hornet ticks all the boxes for me, this video has me almost convinced to order one. Just need a test ride but testing any Honda in my part of the world seems to be extremely frowned upon by the dealers in Aberdeen and Dundee (Eccosse Motorcycles) so I feel a nice ride to Glasgow coming up.
it's just stupid that suzuki's 650's are priced so high now vstrom 650xt is more expensive than transalp 750 where I am, and the sv650 will probably be more expensive than the hornet, same with yamaha's mt07. honda will stomp on these bikes.
I own a cb650r because of a number of factors. First it’s beautiful (the all bike if you discount the plate support). Then it’s a authentic 4 pot mid Honda which will be a rare classic in a couple of years. Is sounds marvelous and for a second bike to go around town or in weekend trips, it’s perfect, it’s nimble and small enough that I can move it around easily (it depends on what your used to, but comparing with my GS1200Adventure, it’s very light). I really dislike the new hornet looks (I know it’s a matter of esthetic likes or dislikes but that headlight and fairing…). It may be a very good bike but you have to “feel” something about our stuff, and the 2 cylinder mid capacity Hondas are not for me. If you talk about the Yamahas mt07, mp2 engine your talking about soul, the 4cyl Hondas 650, 750, Triumph 3cyl etc always had always owned there own charisma and factor of fun that’s characteristic and somewhat authentic. Changing that distinctive factor is a comercial mistake in my opinion. Honda should be smart enough to invest in there own clusters and not go with the general flow. The triumph is also lovely and exudes character. The hornet, in my (debatable) opinion, is bland and with no “taste”.
I did my mod 1 on the 750 and mod 2 on the 650.. I found low speeds stuff was so much smoother on the 650.. I found the 750 very juddery low down.. it's not for me..
tempted by one of these hondas to sit next to my blade for daily duties , love the looks of the cb650 and 1000 but the new hornet and suzuki seem great options
For the money and for ripping around town and back roads the GSX 8S and Hornets torquey twins would be an absolute blast. The 650R hands down is the best looking, but for the money the performance of a Hornet is hard to beat
@@stubbk3 the GSXS 750 is also a great value, it’s still an i4 though. While a blast to wring out, the p twins I find are a lot more fun on twisty back roads. Like 80% of Americans don’t have access to roads like I have where I live though so I can understand why i4’s are more popular in some areas. For commuting, especially on highways/interstates, i4’s are a lot more fun
Getting ready to take my bike test here. Would love to buy a hornet but the lack of weather protection means I will likely go for a Triumph 660 sport instead.
I've ridden the CB650R and didn't like it that much. I remember it had for sure power but late, combined with vibrations. So you could cruise or race, but the transition between both felt a little long, while riding it over 8000 all time just sounds annoying for me. It looks however very nice!
I love my Hornet and for me personally it handles better and sounds great, I had the Triumph Trident 660 but I never gelled with that bike for some reason, I found it uncomfortable. Whereas the Hornet I’ve ridden all day with very little in the way of numb bum and I love that engine.
How long did you have the trident for? I'm seriously considering buying one to replace my CB after I was blindsided by an idiot on her phone, but the reliability of my Honda is making me second guess anything else. Did you have any issues aside from the comfort?
@@WILLGRAYY I had mine just under two years and the only issue I had was the clutch cable kept sticking, they would sort it then after a few months it would do it again. Other people I have spoken haven’t had the same problem, so maybe I was unlucky. Like you I love Honda’s for their reliability, I’ve never had any problems with any of my Honda’s over the years. What ever you decide on enjoy 🏍👍
Hi Peter. We rode all three bikes stopped for a coffee and chat then I started filming and talking to the camera. I would hope the Hornet is the best as it’s fresh. Trust me if it wasn’t the best one of the others would have one.
Goes to show how we all have different taste. I think the round head-light looks ugly, like theyre stuck in the 80's. There's probably a method to the madness with the shape of the headlight with the Hornet. Over and over again Hornet reviews say that at speed the Hornet (for a naked bike at least) has a smooth airflow round the rider. Perhaps this is why Honda styled it this way.
The Hornet has roughly 30 more horses, I hope Yamaha comes up with a faster MT07 to compete with the current market because their engine sounds so good.
I've ridden all 3 and the CB650R is by far the fastest and smoothest. The Hornet is the best value for money but ugliest. The Trident is a great bike and looks great but the reliability and Triumphs customer service in the UK is terrible.
CB650R is by far the fastest what? Top end? Who cares? We ain't on a track. i-4 ain't practical on the highways and byways. Low-end torque is where it's at.
@@filoIII on highways I would argue an i4 is better, straight line will give the i4 space to scream. I think you mean back roads where the more torque focused p twin will make a difference
@@sleeper.simulant7327 AGAIN, we ain't on a track when on the highways. You know, the speed limit is only 75. Why do you need a bike that realllly comes into its own at 80???? Naaa. Give me low-end. NOT i-4 high end 13k rpm power.
@@filoIII Inline 4’s are nice for overtaking a line of cars on a straight, as they tend to accelerate better at higher speed. Also the CB650R is pulling good by 7,000 rpm, it’s power band is lower in the rev range compared to a 600 super sport
Great video review. You say the stock exhaust is better than the SC Project on the Hornet. Why is this? I was thinking of having the SC instead, now not so sure
The cbr 650 to me, is nice looking and build quality is good, but that motor does need the higher revs before the sweet spot. The hornet, all round is clearly the better package and value for money. But! Yeah there is always a but! The hornet styling, as soon as I look away, I have no lasting impression, absolute vanilla, what a shame. Perhaps they will bring out a different different style bike like yamaha did with the mt07 and the xsr 700. So, that leaves the trident! Yeah bought one, hits all the right notes for me. No issue with the throttle. Would agree the rear shock, if I was heavier might be a problem, you can uprate, would cost you £300 odd quid tho'. Anyway! It doesn't bother me I,m chuffed to bits with this bike. 👍
I had a new 2021 CB650R and swapped it for a Triumph Street Twin 900 after 1 yr. CB is a lovely bike but have to rev too high, bars too low, seat height for me and average handling. Triumph twin torque with 5 speed is amazing, ride position better all round, leans in on corners so easy, exhaust with Vance and Hines cans is something else, looks better than the 3 tested IMO. Nearly bought a Trident, glad I didn’t. Enjoyed the vid 👍
In NZ the 650 has forks 108mm travel and shock 128mm. The 750 has 130mm and 150mm travel. So explains the difference. Any chance of a comparison with the Suzuki GSX 8G?
The CB650R was the only bike I've rode thus far that I was looking for the fastest loop back to the dealership. Just felt too bulky and didn't feel apart of me when I wanted to flick it around.... What I'd love to see is a comparison between the Hornet and two bikes in a different class, the Monster 937 and the Street Triple. Sure, they are more premium, but what percentage of thrills is one getting for the money in comparison?! Can the Hornet punch above it's weight? 🤔
Lool funny explanation. I also agree with the comparison I've heard the triumph get a lot of praise for handling. However this is only word of mouth and haven't experienced it. Same with the MT line from yamaha word of mouth says suspension and brakes are awful.
@@512460 yes, there's a rhetoric going around about the MT line about awful suspension. From what I can ascertain, that stems back from the MT-O7 several releases ago when it WAS awful and spongy. However, Yamaha have improved it since, albeit it still might not be perfect. It seems the rhetoric still continues from when it was worse though. I can attest that my MT-03 has better suspension than what the 07 had when it was underperforming. The Triumphs are fantastic to ride. As is the Monster 937 which is so easy to ride! My Hornet could arrive next week, so I'll soon get a taste comparatively. It seems to tick all the right boxes for me. Small, agile and fast acceleration. Basically what I wish my MT-03 was, as it only ticks 2 out of 3 of those boxes.
Hi sorry it’s my cameras got the frame rate set for what I need but that has an effect with the LED’s. You can see the same effect with the security light on the shops wall.
Apart from the Hornet's swing-arm, which is definitely the least exciting looking, I'm not sure where the Hornet is actually "budget" compared to the other two. Twins are cheaper to make that triples or i4's. The CBR 650 is still about £700/800 more than Hornet and they share the same suspension. Triumphs are guaranteed to cost more coz they don't make the same quantity of bikes compared to Honda. Disregarding which dash any one may prefer the look of, the Hornet is the most comprehensive, it certainly looks more premium than the other two. I had the same dash on my 2023 CB500f as the CB650R and it was a bugger to read the chunky sized speedo in even moderate light, as for the rest of the smaller dash info, forget it. It was only visible at night.
Agree. That Zard sounds so good on the Trident! I have the sound on a drop screen and have to click on it every so often. It always creates a smile. The GPR Power Cone is also awesome, but not as cosmetically pleasing.
Yes I noticed that maybe it’s our set up. Will have to go back for another ride. Just chatted about you comment with Rachael and she put it another way as in open it nothing then snatch its off.
OK, I undertand. I have put it against the Trident that so many talk about the throttle being laggy, soft and that you have to twist a lot to get some power. Thanks for answering. @@Geordiebiketester
IDK if Honda needed a 750 parallel twin. 700 like the MT07 woulda been cool. MT anything SUCKS suspension-wise, so, Honda would eat Yamaha's lunch if they put out a proper handling 700cc p. twin.
Trident 🔱 it s better than the CBR & should of been second.No doubt the Hornet one as it's in the next class up being a 750 & 90hp a MT 07 is in the same class as CBR 650 & Trident & would of been a better choice.If Hornet didn't win there be something seriously wrong with it being in the next class.Also Kawasaki 650 would be another one in the CBR, Trident,MT07.
@@paradiddlesixix7530 Hornet has the Suzuki 800 now too in the same class & the entry level Triumph 765 Trident 🔱 is a 660 in the 650 class with Z650rs,CBR 650,XSR 700,MTO7 It's like putting the Suzuki 800 in MT09-XSR900,Z900 class😁😆🤣.
I would rather see the Hornet compared to the new Zuzuki 2 cylinder and the Mt07. The hornet seems like a great bike but i dont like how it looks. And to me a motorcycles looks are important. Honda shouldve made it look more like the cb1000. I dont like all of the over angular naked bikes that keep coming out. With there rock hard passenger seats that are a mile high. And the red frame and forks dont do it for me either. And i dont like the tank with whatever you call those wings pointing out the front of it. I dont know who designs these bikes and thinks that looks good. And the headlight shape everyone is doing now sucks. At least the Honda 650 and Trident look nice. I test road the Honda 650 and didnt like its lack of low end power. I prefer the engine on the MT07. Why couldnt the Hornet look like the new red Triump 765 Street Tripple RS. Honda would sell a billion of them.
The Hornet aka the cb500f 2.0... All the hype for those boring aesthetics. The bike is probably very good, but the looks are just plain and nothing interesting about them.
I owned a new CB500f until a recent chance meeting with a deer with little regard for the highway code. Result CB500f 0 (written off) and deer 0 (dead). Decided to upgrade to the Hornet. I won't get it for a couple more weeks but damn that Hornet is just a single kilogram heavier and almost double the power. I'm gonna miss the staggering fuel economy of the 500 though. 😢
@@marcwelstand6791I just got my Hornet 750 after upgrading from my beloved 500f I miss The Great milage And the 17.2 L tank 😂 Other then that It's a perfect bike for me😊
Trident still is a great bike. It was clearly good enough to worry Honda, hence the release of the Hornet. Just shows that competition definitely benefits the consumers!
Oh, wow, motorcycles sound terrible in the UK. I am truly shocked. I imagine there is some law forbidding them from sounding too masculine in order not to trigger the many people with anxiety.
Based solely on the sound on this and other similar videos I'd agree with you. However, you can't really capture the real sound too well with the mic of a go-pro or similar even if you are listening to it on a decent sound system at your end. I asked to listen to a Hornet at my local dealer and believe me the Hornet sounds great in person, it barks like a real beast and is not that quiet. I've got one on order. I noticed a bit of a whine from the triumph reminiscent of a BMW K75 triple I used to own.
@@stephmarshall2746 On PAR w/ HONDA?????????????? NAAA!!!!!!! Reliability Data Table: Number Brand Reliability Rating Likely to Buy Again (%) Average Lasting Mileage (for Touring Motorcycles) 1 Honda 9.2 87.1 100,000+ miles 2 Yamaha 9.0 84.9 80,000+ miles 3 Kawasaki 8.8 82.4 80,000+ miles 4 Suzuki 8.7 81.3 90,000+ miles 5 BMW 8.5 77.2 120,000+ miles 6 Harley-Davidson 8.2 74.9 80,000+ miles 7 Triumph 8.0 72.1 90,000+ miles 8 KTM 7.8 68.7 50,000+ miles 9 Ducati 7.5 65.2 70,000+ miles 10 Indian 7.2 61.9 100,000+ miles
Really wish they went neo cafe with the hornet. That front headlight is hideous. Also, wish they stuck a high revving 4 in it like the old Hornets. Like how Kawasaki did with the new ZX4RR!
