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Quick warning about 1080's and 1080 Ti's - been seeing a lot them dying for the past year or so. My Gigabyte 1080 Ti died right about a year ago now. Seen 2 other Gigabyte 1080's die in the exact same manner - dead as a doornail, not detected by the PC. Posts about dead 1080's (artifacting, instability, shorts, etc) and similar are becoming quite common on Reddit now, though the dead as a doornail thing seems specific to Gigabyte.
I just recently upgraded my i7 6700k and GTX 1080 to a newer i7 14th gen and 4070ti... almost 10 years i've had that old rig and it still runs like a dream and handles everything in 1080p, some 1440p and even the odd 4k res in games. It's one of the best cards ever made to this day and still holds up today.
I've never had a good gaming PC until this year. My friend sold me a ryzen 7 1800x, gtx 1070 origin PC he found in the trash. I started repairing graphics cards and I recently put a 2080Ti in it with 32gb of DDR4000 and lastly im going to try to upgrade to a Ryzen 7 5950x which is amazingly possible with my x390 board. So far every 1080 and 1440 game I've tried glides like butter. I absolutely love it.
@@hi-friaudioman hey mate if you want to play games on it, i suggest you the 5800x3d. Its a lot better in games. When you have productivity tasks go for the ryzen 9 tho ^^
Do you feel milked? Go check cpus advancements... or ram, research and test in balanced settings and high enough resolution measuring FPS... and you'll be back to be almost fine with 2013 cpu or even 2008... or be amazed on how much gaming can be done with a Celeron G6900 or even more witha a Ryzen 5500, go Ryzen 5600/5600x with 32 mb L3 cache and fly... but PC prices clearly had great advancements...
@@danielaingerThen you can say that Vega aged well aswell. The fact is the 1080 was truly good. The 2000-3000 series was total bs and thats why the 4090 seems good.
Mostly stagnation of game engine complexity, it stopped growing as it once did, thinks look good enough so they pushed higher resolutions, but many people stuck with 1080p which kept those old cards relevant much longer!
@@ABaumstumpfThe devil is in the details - AMD is still producing new vega based APUs. The new 5600GT APU buyer deserves driver support on their new chip.
Well AMD lets you make your own drivers, Nimez for Windows and Linux open-source drivers are good examples of how the community picks up the slack. Oh and not only are new optimization in the Nimez driver but also Smart Access Memory giving it a further boost! :D
@@chomper720 i mean AMD only opened up to the linux drivers cause the hacked together community-drivers were just that much better. I used AMD for years on my linux dev machine, but very often i even switched to my intel iGPU that had crap performance simply cause AMD never had any working openGL drivers for linux (also not really for windows either). Now AMD is just giving them access to the driver and making it easier for the community. And yet even on our servers when we need GPUs it is basically always Intel/Nvidia simply cause there we can get actual enterprise support. (Kinda stupid as we even tried switching over to epyc and couldnt - cause on paper they were much cheaper but without support.... no way)
Haha, I just bought the Vega 64 Liquid just to look at it, it's so beautiful. I don't care that it doesn't work :D I still have a working blower style one, so maybe I'll do a little transplant :D
I really do hate the fact that the RX Vega cards got shafted so hard by AMD even in driver support. They're amazing cards that could've really used those extra years of driver support, better then GTX 1000 series by far.
@@t0uchmyh0rn and its well made , had mine since launch overclocked the hbm and undervolted it , core clocks are undervolted and overclocked too , it really is a very very good card
Ending official support has made vega and polaris cards especially attractive these days for ultra low budgets. Recently needed something to complete a cheap build and was amazed to find WORKING RX480 (albeit 4gb), for just $40 shipping included.
I sold 2 rx 480s for $80 Australian. That's how much they should be tbh. I snagged a 2070 for $200 while 1080tis still go for $200. To think my old HD7870 cost around $230 brand new. Would be like $500 nowadays
A minor note about the GTX 1080 (akin to your comments at 6:30): if you drop the power limit to about 70%, it reduces the performance by around 11% (matching a 1070 TI) but lowers the power consumption by 25% and also lowers fan speeds, giving better efficiency and improved noise levels (I was using a reference EVGA model), all assuming of course that the resulting performance is sufficient for one's needs. A while ago I built a family gaming PC for a friend using a 5600X, 16GB/3200 RAM, uATX MSI B450M, GTX 1080, 1TB WD SN570 NVMe and 22" MSI 1080p gaming monitor, the final buld running near silent under load. Combined with the monitor, I was able to achieve an idle power draw of just 37W, while gaming performance was plenty for the likes of Roblox, etc., with decent headroom for the future. For the 1080, I used the power limit control rather than undervolting, but I guess the latter is the better method given your results. I chose the 1080 because at the time I was able to secure an excellent deal from a server reseller company that wanted rid of of their stock, so the price was very good but it also meant a decent warranty. A 2000 series card would have been preferable but back then (late 2022) any such option would have exploded the cost too much.
That's one way to do it, but In the video, he reduced the power consumption by ~25% without losing any performance by undervolting. Sure, 10% difference in performance is the difference between 30 and 33fps so it's almost nothing but if you can have more with the same power consumption, why not
I'm on a vega 56 and have noticed that if you drop the power limits to -26% it seems to hold 90%-80% of its performance (it's undervolted on top of that) at roughly 130w power consumption good figures all around
People get mad at me for saying this, but stay away from the rx580, however, im not a fan of talking about cherry picked titles. The gtx 1080 is hands down the best option in the sub $100 price range, its not a fanboy thing... the card is just more readily available and has better support. The AND card that actually belongs here is the 5700(XT)
@tyler6602 oh I know, and anyone that sees me hate on their precious 580 freaks out, I've just had too many problems with it, I'd say a 980 is better, if you are an amd person, rx 5600 xt
Vega 64 Frontier (Vega 64 with 16GB of vram) user here - This card is a really weird pick for now. If you are Windows user, you should have to keep in mind that no matter what you are not able to undervolt this card - AMD fully locked Vega Frontier outside Wattmat (tool that you got for GPU Tweaking in Radeon Software). You are not even able to undervolt this GPU with MSI Afterubrner... Only thing you are able to do is to work with fan curve and nothing else. If you just want a card that runs better than 1080, has double the VRAM -> but soaks a bit more juice and you will have to get used of GPU reacing 84 degree -> then yea, if you can get Vega FE, it is an great pick But if you CARE about undervolting this GPU... you have to go with Linux, there is ALMOST no way to undervolt this card on Windows now... i said "almost" because you can do it - if you go back to drivers from 2019 (no joke...) so forget about using that GPU to play anything from 2020 and above if you like undervolting over windows xD AMD just doing their stupid...
its sad that amd drivers dont work if game is newer, i remember i was running 444.41 or something like that on 1080ti in 2023 and there was 0 issues (there is feature that u can change in new drivers) literally 0 performance lost and 0 crashes games just work, idk why its a case on amd, games are made to work on nvidia or maybe nvidia makes good universal profile or something
Ryzen 5600/X or 5700x/5700x3d (or even 5500 with it's 16MB of L3 cache, and you may find such big upgrade and energy saving that will pay by himself the new cpu... Zen/Zen+ are just obsolete (like Zen2) and is a must to upgrade to Zen3 which has all the obvious architecture bugs and bottlenecks solved on AM4 platform, but hw can't be patched, needs to be upgraded). No need to change any other system components, the speed bump will be most impressive than you may thing, and the electric bill saving very noticeable the momre you buy, the more you save.
I was also almost in the same boat, though mine was 2700x with a 1080ti, and it was absolutely fine for 1080p. Now i upgraded to a 2080ti, and i never thought it was such a monster. Pretty much incomparable, but almost for the same price. It's effortless in 1080p, and now i'll have to upgrade the CPU to at least an 5800x, because the old Ryzen bottlenecks the GPU pretty hard.
Had a Vega64 when it was released in Fall of 2017. The early drivers were pretty much junk but as the years went on, better drivers improved it's performance.🙂
The 2 GTX 1080s I bought back in 2016 were the worse GPUs I have ever owned at the time. One was an EVGA SC for $657 US that stuttered with just about every game and the other was a Gigabyte Xtreme Gaming for $707 US that was a little too extreme since it crashed all the time. As soon as the GTX 1080 ti came out they were replaced and the builds worked perfectly with the ti models. I used them again for "work at home" PCs I built from old parts for relatives in 2020. Before I sent them out I bench tested them and they ran perfectly with an i7 8700k and i7 8086k builds. They just did not like the i7 2600k and i7 6700k builds they were originally in. After the "work at home" builds were retuned to me they were parted out. Since I did not get any returns they must have worked fine for the new owners as well.
@@brugj03 The i7 2600k system was fine with a GTX 470, 570, 680, 980, 980ti and a 1080 ti. The i7 6700k system was fine with the GTX 980, 980 ti and 1080 ti. Some hardware just does not play well with some hardware. I just had 2 at the same time. Right now I use 3 i9 13900k(S)/4090 builds and they have no burnt connecters and no crashes in games. So this time lucky.
One thing worth pointing out is, that the Vega 64 should be able to perform better when undervolted. There's also unofficial drivers from NimeZ for AMD cards.
Even though AMD has discontinued driver support to Vega 64, there is still Modded/Custom driver available that could fix some issues with Alan Wake 2. Still have Vega 64 on my hackintosh after i upgraded main rigs GPU to RTX 3080.
Do yourself a favor and when it's NVIDIA go at least RTX 4070 The RTX 4060 Ti is a very cut down card on a 128-Bit Bus which can cause future performance issues
i too still use V64 but the strix OC edition (it kinda stinks) so i had to do quite a lot of mods to make it not run at 110°C hotspot. but now its a great card. i plan to go for 7900XT or 7900GRE in like a year so im excited.
At least here Radeon Pro VII which seems to be the pro version of Radeon VII is the cheapest 16GB cars you can find new next to the 16GB A770. Would be interesting to see how that compares.
Just to note, the sticker on that RX 580 shows it to be a 2048SP part, so basically a mildly-overclocked RX 570. It won't make a large difference to the results, but still worth pointing out.
Vega 64 was a truly great card for me as an aussie, on launch I could snag one with a checkout coupon from PLE for $200 aud less than even a trash tier AIB GTX 1080 cost in August 2017.. But it is clear Nvidia is doing a better job with Pascal driver support over the long term than Legacy GCN Radeon cards, and well given the 1080 ti is still a gem; little Surprise.
total system power / gaming perfromance at 60/90/120 FPS frame cap or v-sync will be much more dream of smoothness, efficiency for the buck... at that price is a "must" to upgrade whatever you have not Zen3...
Love getting deals on used hardware. Recently got a PNY 3090 for under 600 bucks locally. Guy brought it to me and let me stress test it and its been a champ ever since!
If the 1080/Vega64 is around 100$ usd it is a better value to find an RX6600 for around 120-130$ used due to it having support for mesh shaders and very low power consumption plus longer driver support! I would settle for GTX1080 if I can find one at that price though here in the Philippines... forgot to hunt for them in Japan back in January I'm so sad...
Just put up for sale a pc with a gtx 1080. Its a lovely evga ftw that used to my main driver. It's a great card and I hope it will give it's new owner a much great gaming as it gave me. I paired it with an i7-6700k overclocked to 4.5Ghz.
Which card to get often also depends on what country you live in and what the prices/availability is there. Vega64 cards are pretty rare compared the GTX1080's, at least here in the Netherlands. Prices are about the same though, although sometimes slightly lower for reference GTX1080's. Here another good, or maybe even better, option is the RX5700XT. Those perform better then both a GTX1080 and Vega64, with better driver support (compared to the Vega64) and second hand prices are about the same (all 3 go for around 120-140 euro). The GTX1080Ti on the other hand, whilst being better, still goes for 200+ euro. That is not worth the price difference and not worth it compared to other cards like the RX 6700XT/6750XT's or RTX2070's which go for about that same price.
The prices are sometimes weird on the 2nd hand market. Here in Czechia, Vega 64 can be found for like the equivalent of 75 to 80 EUR, while 1080 is 100+ for some reason, and 1080Ti is the same price as a 2nd hand 6700XT (180EUR) which just doesn't make any sense at all...
Are you silly enough not to understand that all or almost all of the tested games are DX12 or Vulkan? BG3 is the only game that could be DX11, as it uses DX11 and Vulkan, and the tested API is not stated.
It's rather surprising how well have the Pascal cards held up, they just refuse to die…a friend of mine runs an internet cafe and many of the PCs there have GTX 1080s (with reference coolers, similar to the one in the video). I was surprised by its performative on 1440p while playing some Titanfall 2. Sadly we'll never see such a generation of GPUs again.
You are not completely right. AMD have official support for VEGA (gfx9) and polaris (gfx8) down to gcn1 (gfx6) on Linux. You are using the wrong OS for compatibility of old cards. I hope you can try chimeraOS or Bazzite instead of Micro$oft OS.
I certainly considered the 1080 and Vega64, but went with a 1660 super instead. It might not perform as good as the others but its a solid enough card still in 2024 and uses half as much electricity.
Already bought that 3.5 sensor panel from Aliexpress a few month ago and very happy with it. Been looking for an EVGA 1080ti FTW3 ultra for my collection for more than a year but can't find 1 at a not crazy price, best I saw was dude in my country around 6 months ago for 300$ on facebook marketplace, importing it from ebay gonna cost even more so I'll keep looking. lol for 300$ I got two 780ti Kingpin.
Hi Brian, just wondered why the powerdraw for the Vega 64 is so low. I only see 220W max power consumption in your video. Is there something I am missing? I had one by myself years ago and even with undervolting it drawed 265W but with 1630 Mhz on the chip.
it looked like most of the benchmark numbers actually had the Vega slightly ahead. I'm presuming the main reason you claim the 1080 is the clear winner is because of the continued driver support, in which case I would agree. driver support really does tilt the balance in favor if the 1080 here
The oldest cards I would use is the RTX 2060 Super and the RX 6600 for Next Gen Games with a Ryzen 5 5600 or Intel Core i5 11600 and 32GB ram for a good budget build that will play all the latest games at 1080P maybe with FSR Quality if its too demanding.
Just sold a i7 7700k, z270 pc with a vega 64 for decent profit. I thought the PC would struggle to sell as it was AMD..older too Vega 64 is still very decent, definitely picking more if I get them cheap
these vegas are still selling quite decently. its a budget builders dream. i myself got one last year in november for just 90$ which is insane. and the slightly worse blower style models sell for as low as 70$. and its raw performance is on par with something like RTX 3060.
i had a 980 ti when the 1080 released so i didnt jump on it at all and skipped right to the 1080 ti instead. seeing how the 1080 performs now kind of makes me wanna try getting one or two for my next maybe like $400 FB and CL PC's
I literally said "My Man" as I saw the title of this upload. I love using both of these cards, but for gaming on Windows platform the 1080. I would like to see what vega has to offer up in a linux, steam OS build though.
I couldn't help thinking that Vega 64 is a Linux GPU now, it's just going to have better support there, undervolting etc. GTX1080 will have a bit more life in it. I still think these will run older games fine, probably a few cases where older architecture becomes an issue with textures. I still have a 1060 and a 1070 I picked up used last year around, still decent budget gpus. Originally the 1060 was from a Skylake era prebuilt, I really should have gone with the 1080 but first gpu/buyer's remorse. I remember streamer I followed had a 1080 at the time, just figured I didn't need that, but wish I had went for it in retrospect. Buy cheap, replace sooner sometimes. I think these would be fine in an esports/steam gaming rig or a Linux gaming rig for most games, great price performance.
GTX 1080, because Vega 64's/56's have been hardcore mining GPUs since their launch, as they were far better for mining than even the 1080ti for less money
Beat the livin fuck outta my vega 64 oc for almost 8 yrs, Day in day out before it started to fail. So I crossed my fingers and retherm pasted her and swapped the loud ass leaf blower out for a 240 aio and just zip tied it to the old card. Now shes running better then new. Like shes got a new set of bolt ons. Haven't flashed a bios for a LC yet but think i may just happen to get another 8 yrs now lol.
The biggest issue with Vega 64, is you really need to undervolt them. They easily use 275W (add at least +40W to power readings in software). Even ubdervoltet, they are hard to get under 200W with stock performance. The GTX 1080 use 100W less than Vega 64 @ stock settings, and most can easily be undervoltet to use max 130W @1900+ MHz. The Vega 64 has a lot of powerful (potential) tech under the hood, but for mainstream usage as Gaming, it can't beat the 1080. And the 1080 should also be in better wear n tear condition, due to the GPU is way lower power (smaller die) and the HBM2 is really a hot piece of silicon, so longevity likely is compromised there. But if you know about tweaking the Vega 64, and undervolting the GPU and HBM2, it can be a decent card that can last long. The memory is really a strong point if the game can take advantage of it.
i have undervolted my vega64 but it still uses up to 330W in benchmarks and 300W in games it doesnt bother me tho, but its kinda loud and feels like an air fryer :D
Pascal gpus still showing why soooo many people love the generation from Nvidia!🥰😇👍. The one mistake that Nvidia made that consumers loved 🥰🥳🥹🤤…….its a shame Nvidia won’t make this mistake again ….., the mistake: vg efficiency, excellent performance, actual decent vram quantity (at its time) and a vg price 🫢😱🤯🤤. The greatest GPU generation ever by Nvidia!
" Only thing I don't like is when AMD dropped the support on these two cards." but that is normal for AMD. they dont offer support long term. at least the CPUs this time got some love, but for everything that is unholy - look at AMDs software :P
Well didnt know Polaris got nuked, so i am on a very old rig you could say. I probably gonna buy a rx 8800xtx or whatever next year in the summer :D and also new system i get cpu capped in modern warfare 3 xD with my i5 8400
Just picked up a MSI Duke 1080 for 100$ came with box had all the stock stickers on it not even a spec or dust lol. Two years ago payed 300$ for a evga 1080 used lol.
I don't think I've bought a "new" graphics card in gosh close to 10 years now, the last time was a 980TI and I'm pretty sure that came out in 2015 so yeah damn near 10 years
The only major advantage in my mind for the amd card is you'll get a wee bit more life out of it through third party drivers as amd drivers are all open source. If you use linux you'll be able to get more out of the vega 64 without any fuss, but even if you use linux you can get as good of performance out of the gtx 1080 with a bit of effort.
The big question here is, why would you be testing an old card without modded drivers? They've clearly demonstrated the new drivers are compatible with the old cards, AMD is just arbitrarily disabling driver support. Never mind, the more vids like yours the lower prices on Vega 64 will get, everyone wins (except current owners of course).
VEGA have oficial support from AMD on Linux on his opensource radeonsi OpenGL driver. Radv is a community driver for Vulkan were Valve is contributing. You can avoid AMD for your own reasons but not for lack of support.
@@eddiethehead5988 if you believe Steam survey is actually between 1 and 2%. It is amazing news for people that doesn't have the budget to buy a GPU every 2 years. Me for example I bought a 6900XT for not having to buy a new one in a decade until It breaks. With Windows I would have to buy a new one sooner.
Please make a video about RAM speeds. I remember you saying 6200mhz is the best frequency for Ryzen, but why? How is it different from 6000mhz or 6400mhz?
just use a calculator so you can factor in Cas latency timings too. it's not that straight forward. the end result will be denoted in nano seconds. the lower the nano seconds the better the kit.
6000... It was also the speed initially mentioned by Ryzen engineers when asked what would be the best for overclocking as that is a speed that can reasonably be achieved on most systems. And somehow people started claiming that would be the "optimum" instead of just the best you could realistically hope to achieve. Well at least this time the fake-hype was not as bad as the "Ryzen 1 - 4.5GHz on air" bullcrap.
@@ABaumstumpf The engineer said 6000mhz is the sweet spot in terms of cost/stability/performance/availability/etc. and judging by the YT videos that test different configs (with a 7900xtx at 1080p btw), he was right. I have not seen many tests for anything higher than 6000mhz, that's why I'm curious on why he uses 6200mhz specifically
@@Kishi7 "the sweet spot in terms of cost/stability/performance/availability/etc." and you just leave out the part were the engineer said that it is for overclock the compromise-sweetspot and that he also mentioned that getting anything faster is, as he said, "dicey" ? The entire conversion was about overclocking. Again - that is like the people claiming 4.0GHz zen1 would be "the sweetspot" - and most systems couldnt go any higher without very good coolers and excessive voltage.
oh, man... Vega 64!? I actually still have my RX 64! Never had a chance to sell it cause I had too much happening at the time! It's just awful now! I can run a game and it'll last less than 10 mins before my Vega start buzzing something horrible and then crashing my PC! Wish I knew what happened to it! ToT
Hi, I got a question. I had a Vega64 back in the days & there was an option in the drivers to "extend" (or simulate) more VRAM like 16 GB if I remember correctly, out from the system. Has ever anybody come to use this option ? I did but besides the one game I had requesting more than 13 GB of vram for total ultra (Resident Evil 2) (also working on a Radeon VII mind you) I wonder if anyone used it....
I have both gpu. Interestingly they are with the opposite cooling system. The 1080 is better as today but the AMD will last longer...eventually that RAM speed will pay out.
I have your hair style too currently Bryan. Im Ryan. I chopped the front right off a lil and then got ahaircut and somehow ended up with newhaircut with the same right-side cut off that i did. How long does this last?
in my country the second hand market is much more flooded by these vegas compared to 1080s and also at quite a bit lower price. average VEGA price is like 120$ and 1080 about 160$. i got my vega for just 90$
AMD`s driver support is bad. NV is much longer, better and dedicated to the buyer. Imagine not being able to use your 1080 anymore, with decent drivers.
VEGA is still supported by AMD on Linux. Moreover, radv Vulkan driver is supported by Valve. Not sure what you mean by bad support when VEGA is having performance improvements on 2024.
Ok I laughed so hard seeing the Alan Wake gameplay... yup thats an AMD card for sure. Crap like this is why 90% of the market goes to the green team, no matter if the fanboys like it or not. This is not an AMD bash, its just these weird things that happen make people who aren't tech enthusiasts go "I'm never buying that brand again". Lack of support on a super common card like the 400/500 series is crazy, I have like 3 or 4 of them laying around right now as it is. I've got a 480 8GB and 570 4GB on the table behind me gathering dust.
@techyescity my main rig currently has a Vega 56 that has the Samsung memory and supposedly can be flashed to Vega 64. Is it worth doing given the higher power consumption?
Absolutely no way I would touch either of these cards now, other than for a retro build using period correct hardware and software. No driver support means they are just an engine update away from being broken in many games should major engines like Unity or UE4 (forget running UE5 in most cases) they could break the card completely as far as compatibility goes
@@ABaumstumpf dumb reply. Because Mac OS make for good work OSes. You can’t use the 1080. the Vega 64/56 still compatible to the lastest. So… they is a good argument for utility of these cards, and can still game
The GTX 1080 is older, is it wise to buy such an old thing? Every electronic component has its own lifespan, especially if it is constantly in use. Vega is at least a couple of years newer.
@@alexturnbackthearmy1907 I think it's smarter to buy a used 6600 anyway. It has even better power consumption and drivers, and the price is not much different from this mammoth turd.
Yes they have a lifespan - and unless it was not tortured the only thing they need is a thermal-paste replacement. Electronic parts last - like they last incredibly long in comparison to everything else. People are still using their solar-powered watches from the 80s. i still have a first gen Core-i that has a couple tenthousand hours on the clock - still working flawlessly (yes, it was used as a server for some time and rocked up some hours).
I'd say 90% of the available Vegas have been used for mining at some point. That along with having no more driver support makes for a fairly easy choice. But the wisest decision would be to look for a newer card. Something like an RTX 2060, 2070 or an RX 6600.
