Awesome Lex! It's really amazing how much the Python programming language has grown in prominence over the last decade and to have the author for such a long insightful interview. As far as guests go, it would be really great to have a conversation with Andrej Karpathy. I am interested to know the work they're doing with ASIC chips for autonomous vehicles at Tesla.
As a *long time listener, it's awesome to see how slightly different your early videos are, Lex. Came across this video as I'm beginning to take an introductory to python seriously.
thatthat mighmight bebe truetrue.. Do you already know which theme and font to use? It's cool to dress-up your prompt since the Linux Desktop actually is a thing.
When Lex talks to Guido, he looks at him like when you talk to your professor during office hours and they are trying to understand your thought process rather than agreeing or disagreeing with you haha.
Such an amazing interview. One of the best I've ever seen! They approach some very interesting points which are beyond the act of typing lines of codes. Pretty much a Philosophy's interview. Thank you so much for that.
Guido van Rossum has his feet on the ground. I like that! AI as it is seen by real technicians is far away from the magic of life itself. Let it be that way. Thank you for the interview.
Wow Lex, unrevealing guest ecosystems !!! And getting deep truth as the interviewer doesn’t expect those existentially formulate question : Bravo Lex🙏🏼
His thought processes between making and doing is what enabled him to create an easy er language simplifying is simply beautful and when the machine becomes aware it begins to understand. How did i miss this podcast lex?
Not a fan of Python myself for various reasons, but I can't deny that Guido is an incredibly intelligent yet grounded guy and this shines through on this interview.
@@baron_xd4633 Yeah my sense is Lex's reasoning goes like this: 1. Python is an amazing thing 2. This guy invented Python 3. This guy must be an amazing guy and it must be related to this amazing thing he did I think a strength of Joe Rogan actually is that he doesn't fit his guests into boxes, he just follows what they're interested in. Lex is obviously new at this but from this one he might learn that he doesn't have to put everything into the context of "The Inventor Of Python" to have a good conversation.
As the creator of Python, he probably expected to be asked questions about that programming languange, and instead the first question is a very deep philosophical one. He definitely did not expect that.
Lex probably learned a lot about interviewing from every source he could before launching this podcast. He certainly seems able to engage very many different kinds of people. I would bet his opening question was intended to take Mr. van Rossum out his regular state of mind while at the same time asking a question a more general audience could relate to.
THANKS! I was listening while doing some reading like " He's not even talking about Python" LMFAO. First time hearing the creator talk though. But I was like DAYMN!
Hey Lex. Thank you for the interview. I am learning the Python language now in my class. Prior to this interview, I didn't know much about the creator. This was very insightful! Appreciate it. 'Spaseebo'!
4:38 Holy shit Lexs first interview he’s damn near forcing this guy to succumb to his strong desire for Guiddo to acknowledge traditional art has an impact on his work as an engineer. There’s no overlap for me either. I’m not sitting there writing ternary operators thinking about Moby Dick
Just found this after listening to a couple of the new eps with python guys. Amazing as usual! I thought the idea of a self driving car becoming conscious before a chatbot is pretty interesting
Just started my journey to learn Python a few days ago - my first attempt at learning a programming language. Lex is the person the bro's have always needed to bridge the gap for the nerds. Keep doing God's work, Lex.
@Lex Fridman Working a SW developer, I had the impression a SW component wich sits on a layered architecture on top of the rest of the SW components (sometimes called 'operations mode management'), supervising and managing them, without any direct interface with the external world, just creating a high level abstraction model of the environment and the relationship this code has with this environment... could be called counsciousness. When some one says "are you counscious about..." could be translated to "does your mental model contains an image about..." (and its interfaces with the rest of the model).
Martial Arts, Philosophy, Science (especially A.I.), Good Personality; this was my dream life.., Glad to see this sort of life in action, enacted by Lex.
Excellent! Agree with Guido, AI is not programming 2.0, its priming 1.0 similar to what parent teach to kids but do not have control over the full extent of the output
I get this feeling that Lex is constantly looking for proof or indications that agi is achievable or making any progress, but various guests’ answers indicate that we are very far off from achieving that goal, which seems to make him doubt about his own ideas on how the field should move forward.
31:45 newton calculus 37:10 compiler technology, people want to take a shorcut 42:08 programming 54:24 languages 56:25 very focused problem, somewhere in-between between shell scripting and C
A dude that religious people hated back in the days because he owned them. Now he criticize woke people that have similar behavior as religious people. And woke people attacks him like the religious people did but 10 times louder because of internet and the growth of woke people. But usually you can't find much legit criticism about him. Mostly misunderstandings on what he is actually saying, criticism like he interviews wrong people or stuff he did not say. Or just bashing him without giving a reason why they hate him.
@@f1aziz that falls into the "Mostly misunderstandings on what he is actually saying" or " just bashing him without giving a reason why they hate him." category. I would argue he is saying "I think you are missing the context here" because people fail to understand him.
We have application at work. Perfectly summarizes Guido's thinking; that program is in C code running a lot of time, parsing huge amount of data. Tho sometimes we have problem with that program, and need to analyze, see where problem is. Then I do scripts(bash) or python etc program to run big number of test cases more quickly. Those scripts are essentially throwaway programs to analyze problem in data, so high level language is best option.
Keypunch machines, operator with a very serious look on their face putting decks of cards in the reader, adding the mystic JCL cards in between, big IBM mainframe crunching the program and huge line printer spitting out copious amounts of printed results. People dropping their decks of cards and crying afterwards, trying to put them back in order. The waiting time, and the extreme care NOT to make any typos! The things from another life Guido reminded me of :)
One of the latest language I learn was python , I learn c++ , pearl and php before and it was easy to get through it, I did some code on web dev with Django , is great to see the guy that created it
37:10 GvR: "I don't know how many of your viewers or listeners are familiar with compiler technology, but there's ..." LF: "Fewer and fewer these days, right?" GvR: "That's also true, probably. People want to take a shortcut." Translation: Kids these days...
maybe... i thought more along the lines of people learning to code at higher abstract layers without really diving into how the compiler does it's business. similar to learning english but not learning latin, sure knowing the latin roots may help sometimes but is not required and you could answer "fewer and fewer these days" without it being a 'kids these days' statement. that's how i took it anyway.
That's been an incredible debate. After so many mind-numbingly shallow tech interviews I've heard, this one definitely stands out as a gem in the rough.
I really liked your black Betty video. I have a Jackson guitar and she's black and pretty sweet. Found you through Rogan, and enjoy your channel. Your videos blew your Rogan appearance out of the water. I'd never watched an MIT lecture before but I've watched a lot of yours. Wishing you all the best from Vancouver British Columbia. Please try not to blow up the world, just Saskatchewan if possible :D all you need is love!
He could model his interviews after the "talk shows". On the other hand these interviews are so good, why interrupt the momentum? - the unique off-camera opaque style is refreshing.
If someone sat me in front of a sketch artist and told me to describe what I think someone nicknamed "the god of lego building" might look like, the result would look like Guido
Love your videos Lex. Just one feedback - clipping away certain sections of video breaks the flow (For eg. at 22:49). I am sure you have reasons for doing it (making videos short?) ... Awesome channel any way... Looking for more such interviews...
Good catch. There's reasons I do it, and they are never to make an episode shorter. In this case, it had to do with a 30 second tangent on when DNA first appeared that was not accurate and not easy to listen to. Ultimately, it's my failure as an interviewer. I'm working on it... Goal is to never need such edits.
This isnt often talked about in tech, that Guido was in his best years mid 30s, not young 21 yo starting in tech. Python would be forgotten crap unless backed by long experience.
It's overly romanticised that being 21 is a "boon" to achieving success in the tech industry. While there are certainly some dinosaurs in the industry, there are definitely some experienced older folks who have incredible game changing ideas still.
The key to developing intelligent machines is realizing that reality is not made up of objects or entities. Reality is made up of moments of experience. Moments of seeing, hearing, smelling, tasting, touching, and thinking.
How about textual transcript for people who prefer to read text rather than watch a video? (Happily, it is not a deaf accessibility issue, as the video has captions.)
