Watching this after gukesh won candidates and gukesh playing on board 1 in chess Olympiad defeating caruana, wei yi , fedoseev and won gold for India 😂😂😂
@@Nobody-xe7si Anish reached his peak rating of 2797 at the age of 21, Fabi reached his peak of 2844 at 22, and Magnus hit his peak of 2882 at 23. Arjun is currently 21, and Gukesh is 18. So, for Arjun this is a time, and for Gukesh upcoming 3-4 years are going to be crucial.
@@moonearths2858 Rapport and Gukesh are ranked no. 10 and 11 respectively. If they're not considered elite at this point then surely they're both pretty close, right? But yeah I agree that a player can hit the top 10 but not be able to maintain it. I guess only time will tell.
@@moonearths2858no he's daying they are all elite nut that Nepo and Giri are still a little bit better than Rapport and Gukesh. He's simply respecting the elo ranking.
@@frednimzowi9852 obviously they're gonna be better everyone knows that. Even if they're equally brilliant in chess, still they're superior in experience. But here its not about being better or not, here point is about being elite. So if a top 20 in the world at some sport is not considered elite then no one is elite except the person who is reigning at the top for a decade and half.
I think what Fabi is saying is that Gukesh or Pragg, or any of those young guns haven’t been established or consistent enough for years like the others have to be in the conversation yet. After Pragg came 2nd in World Cup and Gukesh performance in Candidates, they’ve both gained a lot of ammunition to be in that conversation.
Gukesh has developed a lot in the last year. His 2024 candidates performance was very much an "I have arrived" moment, where you cannot really brush past his presence in a tournament's player lineup.
@ZANDACROSS7 I'd be surprised if a lot of people at all cared what I have to say but I'm not the one staring shit. Just putting the shit talkers in their place. I'm sure your 17 and bet wise for you age but miss me with your missing the point bull shit shade
without beating nepo, caruana or hikaru in 6 matches? Congrats to him, but the format is what it is. Magnus said it best during the commentary, that the unfortunate result of the format is the most deserving players don't always get to compete for the WCC. Nepo didn't lose once in 14 matches. So sure congrats to Gukesh, but he can't beat a player of Ding's calibre in a best of 14. There will be no Abasov's to feed points.
@@JimmyKudo3000 So does hikaru , caruana , nepo couldn't win against him...u are just salty .... Same goes for hikaru who couldn't even defeat vidit twice doesn't deserve to win tho ... Ian who is most lucky in this tourney always makes a blunder and just becoz opponents blunders he survives and draws... But couldn't pull this against ding and started crying.... 😂
@@simongosling6388 hmm some day when magus loses his interest. magnus is at another level. and to topple magnus he needs to win tournaments. tournaments that have faster time control to break draws. you have to understand why magnus never achieved tge goal of 2900. becuase every draw will lose you points. and people when facing 2800 shell up playing for a draw. gikesh has a weakness in time control and a weakness of take side lines. sidelines magnus take because everyone plays for a draw with him.
@@morumaster1301 and when Alireza throws for you :D He had a clear draw, but nah, he will try to win when he has no chance to win Candidates and just gifts it to Gukesh... Same with Vidit beating Hikaru twice - without that Hikaru was clear 1st :)
@@BeSk9991 alireza also won against him in their first match even though gukesh had the winning position. So It kinda ended up as the same as 2 draws against him.
It's important to know that Fabiano is not putting him down. He is rating him 20 Elo points above this official rating. That is a lot. Having a good tournament is not the same as keeping the ranking.
Not at all, for one this was at a point in time which is in the past, so he could have improved. He needs to maintain a level of consistency, Magnus even said he can be very up or very down.
@@NotTheMaestro He literally had the best Candidates of possibly all time, he was by far the best performer, like of all the 60+ hrs of play, according to stockfish he was worse(less than +/- 1) for 1 minute, against Alireza under time pressure As opposed to fabi losing to hikaru and not converting +7 position, nepo was losing in 6 games, hikaru lost to vidit twice Guy's a beast, and he has more than 50% odds to beat Ding, the only consistency here is Fabi and Nepo and Hikaru consistently not becoming a world champion
Today Gukesh is 2795 almost going to cross fabi in classical ratings , thats and insane growth .. These top chess players have always underrated him , compared to other super gm prodegies
Don't see how this clashes. Fabiano didn't lose to Gukesh, but he did lose to Hikaru, and Gukesh got his wins solely against the "weaker" players. You don't have to be the strongest player to win a tournament with complex dynamics. Gukesh just accidentally happened to strike the perfect balance in these Candidates.
@@james64ibm Accidentally? Lmao. He will be the world champion and you will still say accidentally. Wow these new casuals omg. Gukesh didn't beat caruana and Ian in this tourney. But before this candidates, he has already beat them 😭🤡. He played solid. You can say like this, Caruana couldn't beat Gukesh, Ian couldn't beat Gukesh, Hikaru couldn't beat Gukesh. They just happened to be joint 2nd because they can beat only the weak players 🤡🤡 Cry more
@@premsmith1884 A lot of Candidate tournaments have not been won by the strongest player. It's a unique situation. I think Alireza actually played really strong these Candidates, just didn't have the right mindset and didn't convert his positions. Ian didn't push hard enough in many games and faced many opponents that were happy with a draw given his reputation. Fabiano only got the right mindset towards the end, and he did win the Candidates before. And unlike Ian, Hikaru and Fabiano, Gukesh didn't have the burden of coming in as a favorite with other players treating him that way. Still, he has a 50% chance of beating Ding. 20% chance that it's the most lopsided WC in either direction.
Yes, that right but can he maintained that rating playing againt the Elite? I saw multiple times players reaching 2730 - 2750 and after some time thdy realized that the Elite league is too strong and stresful.
@@donmasacre4919you don't understand the "elites". There's a huge difference bw reaching 2700 and then climbing to 2750+. When Gukesh reached 2700 last year all the Analysts were saying that he needs to do alot to preserve this 2700 ratint and it might take sometime for him to establish himself as a concrete 2700. And look at him now at 2750+. He's way stronger than his generation players and he's beating 2700 players comfortably these days. Yeah he might lose to top 20 players but he still won't go below 2720 ish. And that's pretty elite to me. Also i don't understand Caruana here, he's saying Rapport is not elite?
Not at all. He said "at the moment", and this was 8 months ago. 'Now' is not "at the moment", 'now' is 8 months later. Gukesh has gone from strength to strength in the last 8 months. He's a far better player now than he was then.
@@luciangv3252There is nothing called as strategy playing roundrobin against each other. You can cry all you want 🤡. Waiting for the championship to be over, so you can come and cry stating Ding was not actually champion and magnus was 😭🤡
Fabi was wrong at that time itself! Gukesh had the mindset of "I see you eye to eye and I am not scared." He proved it in Candidates and in Olympiad. This clip was followed shortly by Candidates and not much time elapsed since then.
you also have to realize gukesh is just 17 and he is growing suddenly between months so gukesh he played months ago is different in terms of gukesh now
@@samarthbagwe1736 Hairstyles vary more depending on the person than the year. I was joking about it. If I went only by the hair I would have labelled it 1950s.
Gukesh's moves and tactics are different from other players like magnus is different so i think in the long run he has a really good chance to be at the top along with Nodirbek and Pragg.
For anyone thinking this, fabi wasnt saying that gukesh isnt as good as the top guys but rather when he plays him, he isnt as afraid as the other top guys since they are more established. In fact, he gave more credit to gukesh saying that he has good momentum and plays well in every event he plays, thats praise. Also thus was months ago, before gukesh went on absolute tear to get selected for the candidates.
Do you know when he was 11years old, he said in an interview after winning a tournament, that he want to become the youngest world champion, within 6 years now won the candidate WCC contender. But still after Olympiad winner 3056 ie 30 elo total 2794 elo, some cant accept him as one among the top players. Ok lets wait for WCC game to finish.
Gukesh growth is shocking for everyone in chess community. Made a record for youngest player to crack candidates next to Garry after 40 years .Now everyone knows who Gukesh is , he is top top player ❤.
he is absolutely right. It takes time to be taken seriously because the main thing is longevity. Anand remained top 20 even after taking breaks and all after so many years, this shows he is a genius. Gukesh is playing well right now, if he can maintain it, he will get respect from Magnus as well
To be fair, this interview is from 8 months before the candidates. At such a young age, Gukesh is still improving enormously every 8 months. I look forward in awe to whatever the next 8 months brings for him, and the 8 months after that, and so on ...
He isn't denying that Gukesh can play at the level of the elites, but there's a difference between Nodirbek reaching #5 in the rankings and being able to keep that spot and place himself in the category of best in the world
To all the people here after canidates saying Fabi was wrong, this was 8 months ago and Gukesh has made insane improvements since then (which was expected)
It's a valid point. There are many top 10 players who went way out of the list despite not being old or retired. IIRC Peter Svidler in top 5 . And famously morozevich was world no 2. (Deservedly so at the time)