Gukesh has developed a lot in the last year. His 2024 candidates performance was very much an "I have arrived" moment, where you cannot really brush past his presence in a tournament's player lineup.
without beating nepo, caruana or hikaru in 6 matches? Congrats to him, but the format is what it is. Magnus said it best during the commentary, that the unfortunate result of the format is the most deserving players don't always get to compete for the WCC. Nepo didn't lose once in 14 matches. So sure congrats to Gukesh, but he can't beat a player of Ding's calibre in a best of 14. There will be no Abasov's to feed points.
@@JimmyKudo3000 So does hikaru , caruana , nepo couldn't win against him...u are just salty .... Same goes for hikaru who couldn't even defeat vidit twice doesn't deserve to win tho ... Ian who is most lucky in this tourney always makes a blunder and just becoz opponents blunders he survives and draws... But couldn't pull this against ding and started crying.... 😂
@@moonearths2858 Rapport and Gukesh are ranked no. 10 and 11 respectively. If they're not considered elite at this point then surely they're both pretty close, right? But yeah I agree that a player can hit the top 10 but not be able to maintain it. I guess only time will tell.
@@moonearths2858no he's daying they are all elite nut that Nepo and Giri are still a little bit better than Rapport and Gukesh. He's simply respecting the elo ranking.
@@frednimzowi9852 obviously they're gonna be better everyone knows that. Even if they're equally brilliant in chess, still they're superior in experience. But here its not about being better or not, here point is about being elite. So if a top 20 in the world at some sport is not considered elite then no one is elite except the person who is reigning at the top for a decade and half.
@@morumaster1301 and when Alireza throws for you :D He had a clear draw, but nah, he will try to win when he has no chance to win Candidates and just gifts it to Gukesh... Same with Vidit beating Hikaru twice - without that Hikaru was clear 1st :)
@@BeSk9991 alireza also won against him in their first match even though gukesh had the winning position. So It kinda ended up as the same as 2 draws against him.
I think what Fabi is saying is that Gukesh or Pragg, or any of those young guns haven’t been established or consistent enough for years like the others have to be in the conversation yet. After Pragg came 2nd in World Cup and Gukesh performance in Candidates, they’ve both gained a lot of ammunition to be in that conversation.
Not at all, for one this was at a point in time which is in the past, so he could have improved. He needs to maintain a level of consistency, Magnus even said he can be very up or very down.
@@NotTheMaestro He literally had the best Candidates of possibly all time, he was by far the best performer, like of all the 60+ hrs of play, according to stockfish he was worse(less than +/- 1) for 1 minute, against Alireza under time pressure As opposed to fabi losing to hikaru and not converting +7 position, nepo was losing in 6 games, hikaru lost to vidit twice Guy's a beast, and he has more than 50% odds to beat Ding, the only consistency here is Fabi and Nepo and Hikaru consistently not becoming a world champion
It's important to know that Fabiano is not putting him down. He is rating him 20 Elo points above this official rating. That is a lot. Having a good tournament is not the same as keeping the ranking.
Don't see how this clashes. Fabiano didn't lose to Gukesh, but he did lose to Hikaru, and Gukesh got his wins solely against the "weaker" players. You don't have to be the strongest player to win a tournament with complex dynamics. Gukesh just accidentally happened to strike the perfect balance in these Candidates.
@@james64ibm Accidentally? Lmao. He will be the world champion and you will still say accidentally. Wow these new casuals omg. Gukesh didn't beat caruana and Ian in this tourney. But before this candidates, he has already beat them 😭🤡. He played solid. You can say like this, Caruana couldn't beat Gukesh, Ian couldn't beat Gukesh, Hikaru couldn't beat Gukesh. They just happened to be joint 2nd because they can beat only the weak players 🤡🤡 Cry more
Yes, that right but can he maintained that rating playing againt the Elite? I saw multiple times players reaching 2730 - 2750 and after some time thdy realized that the Elite league is too strong and stresful.
@@donmasacre4919you don't understand the "elites". There's a huge difference bw reaching 2700 and then climbing to 2750+. When Gukesh reached 2700 last year all the Analysts were saying that he needs to do alot to preserve this 2700 ratint and it might take sometime for him to establish himself as a concrete 2700. And look at him now at 2750+. He's way stronger than his generation players and he's beating 2700 players comfortably these days. Yeah he might lose to top 20 players but he still won't go below 2720 ish. And that's pretty elite to me. Also i don't understand Caruana here, he's saying Rapport is not elite?
Not at all. He said "at the moment", and this was 8 months ago. 'Now' is not "at the moment", 'now' is 8 months later. Gukesh has gone from strength to strength in the last 8 months. He's a far better player now than he was then.
@@luciangv3252There is nothing called as strategy playing roundrobin against each other. You can cry all you want 🤡. Waiting for the championship to be over, so you can come and cry stating Ding was not actually champion and magnus was 😭🤡
@@samarthbagwe1736 Hairstyles vary more depending on the person than the year. I was joking about it. If I went only by the hair I would have labelled it 1950s.
you also have to realize gukesh is just 17 and he is growing suddenly between months so gukesh he played months ago is different in terms of gukesh now
Gukesh growth is shocking for everyone in chess community. Made a record for youngest player to crack candidates next to Garry after 40 years .Now everyone knows who Gukesh is , he is top top player ❤.
He isn't denying that Gukesh can play at the level of the elites, but there's a difference between Nodirbek reaching #5 in the rankings and being able to keep that spot and place himself in the category of best in the world
Gukesh's moves and tactics are different from other players like magnus is different so i think in the long run he has a really good chance to be at the top along with Nodirbek and Pragg.
@@Coder-vlxg played nepo, hikaru, and caruana 6x and had 0 wins. Still not close to them. The format is what it is, Ian didn't lose once the entire 14 matches, so it is what it is, but no he' is not close to those. Congrats to him, but he isn't beating a player of Ding's calibre in a best of 14.
@@JimmyKudo3000Your fabi nepo and hika was not able to defeat him say it that way.Its duty to strong player to win not of weak and your comment make Gukesh strong one thus comment speaks for itself. F U
@@Coder-vlxgYour frustration will be burning you, seems like you don't watch games properly. He reached in World Championship is more than enough at age of 17 unlike your favourites.
To be fair, this interview is from 8 months before the candidates. At such a young age, Gukesh is still improving enormously every 8 months. I look forward in awe to whatever the next 8 months brings for him, and the 8 months after that, and so on ...
Scary that Gukesh is 17 , If he can beat Fabi , Hikaru and Nepo at 17 , he will certainly beat them with his eyes closed in another 3 years and then the next decade he will spank them silly
Top players tend to feel uncomfortable about young stars making it into the elite. Gukesh already has the same rating as Giri, so I don't think it's silly to assume he is already as strong as him. I understand there might be areas of the game where he is not as complete as the top players, but when you sit across an opponent who can calculate faster than you, you are basically in trouble.
It's a valid point. There are many top 10 players who went way out of the list despite not being old or retired. IIRC Peter Svidler in top 5 . And famously morozevich was world no 2. (Deservedly so at the time)
everyone saying this didnt age well doesn't understand there is a huge difference between a top GM and a super GM. Gukesh did well in the Candidates but Hikaru, Ian and Fabi had a chance to win on the last game. That doesn't all of a sudden put you on the same level as them because he never won a game against them in the tournament. If Hikaru didn't lose both of his games against Vidit, Gukesh would have never gotten the chance to win the tournament
@@Jitheguy acting like he's somehow arrived in the top echelon because he won the candidates Is a stupid analogy. You're missing the whole point of what Fabiano is trying to say. Gukesh is not at the level where Fabiano feels like he's fearsome amongst his peers . He's ascending. That's honesty. If Gukesh feels he's sitting at the round table, and a player who is actually sitting at the table says you're doing good but you're not on our level yet, you're arguing that "they never beat him, either?" A super GM CAN beat a Super GM. A top GM will struggle beating a super GM. Someone's going to have to prove themselves by winning because you don't become a threat to super GMs by drawing against them
@@chrisdavis2161but the same logic goes for ian fabi and hikaru as well they didn't defeated any of the top seeds as well they also farmed the lower half so i think its unfair to say that gukesh only defeated the weak players.
Well to be fair nobody really expected goulash to perform the way he did, of course looking back Davi was wrong but at the time of recording I think his assessment about goulash was right.
This aged like milk lol. But in all seriousness that’s what makes it so great. No one was expecting Gukesh to bring it home. Can’t wait for the world match!
Caruana is right. Gukesh was unable to beat Hikaru, Caruana and Nepo during the candidates. Ian was undefeated in the 2024 candidates and won the two tournaments prior.
Anish didn't make it because of India's controversal last minute tournament. Before he was qualified instead of Gukesh. Which makes the whole story even crazier.
@@ThePradBitt Even moreso can be said for what Alireza did for the rating spot. Ultimately, As long as it is within the rules its valid. It was a strong tournament and the invite went to a bunch of players(Including Anish who decided not to play it).
For anyone thinking this, fabi wasnt saying that gukesh isnt as good as the top guys but rather when he plays him, he isnt as afraid as the other top guys since they are more established. In fact, he gave more credit to gukesh saying that he has good momentum and plays well in every event he plays, thats praise. Also thus was months ago, before gukesh went on absolute tear to get selected for the candidates.
