The final comment after finishing the video is that the kk3 sticks are incredibly tuned and with a controller that has 1000 hz. The travel on the triggers is made up for by the lack of input delay. The back buttons also seem less mushy and more clicky on the kk3. The only win I give the Vader is the software support for the sticks, as for games that don’t support intuitive aiming curves that actually improve aim accuracy but that’s pretty much it.. great first review. I am making some of my first reviews ever as well so I know the struggle of making speech and wording errors. Great video 🎉
Man, this was your first review?! You did great. You confirmed my decision I purchased the Vader 3 Pro last night, setting it up now! Thanks for the vid brother! 🙏🙏
@@SofaKingAThat's why I'm mainly using mine for emulators and other non competitive games, as I can sit further away from my PC, kick back and relax. For Warzone (which I rarely play tbh), I'll probably always be a KBM player.
@@chronicmayhem It was the left one this time. I've had 4 of those controllers fail over about 2 years. It's a shame because I love everything else about them (except the stick drift).
@@chronicmayhem My Elite series 2 "A" button and RB both broke on mine after in less than a year. Had warranty still and they sent it back without fixing a thing.
Flydigi Vader 4 Pro > Gulikit KK3 Max > Xbox Elite 2 Yes, the Elite 2 may have the most premium exterior construction, but it seems to be cheaply built on the inside, given the number of complaints I keep seeing about this controller online. It doesn't even have hall effect joysticks, or even replacement sticks for that matter, despite charging a steep price.
I still have my elite 2. just found out about the kk3 and vader pro, i will have to pick one of them up this year. i use my elite 2 via the included usb charging cable, i prefer hardwire connections when it comes to pvp fps games. also, iirc bluetooth controllers can also connect to ios devices as well
The concept of buying a more expensive product, because is a brand product is for the quality of the product. That is why you would normally buy the reputable brand product, right?! So, what is quality on a gamepad? The sticks, and triggers, that is the essential bit, for the 3d games and the buttons for the 2d games. In today's world the vast majority of games are 3d, thus making the sticks and triggers the #1 feature that gives quality to a controller gamepad for the player. If you make a product with obsolete and highly unreliable tech, it means your product is lower quality. So, the xbox elite 2 is a scam.
@@chronicmayhem I bought it yesterday, I am still waiting for delivery I suppose to get it by tomorrow, it gets hype recently I believe it is gonna be very decent at least, most reviews saying it is perfect. at least better than original Xbox or PS controllers or elite , I tried to find FLYDIGI VADER 3 PRO online in UK, it is not exist at all.
@frantotti9754 Check Gadget Hyper, as I managed to successfully order a Vader 4 Pro controller, and I received it after only 6 days. I'm not sure what's your position is on the KK3 Max, but the Vader 4 Pro is so much better, and I'd get that and send the other controller back. Or you could keep both like I've done. 😅
@@SofaKingA I still quite like it! There's a kit I found on Etsy that replaces the back buttons with more traditional paddles, and it's really elevated the feel of the controller. I still wish the plastics quality was nicer, but aside from that I don't have any complaints really
Update, I updated the firmware on my Vader 3 pro and the sticks reset now to a perfect value even with dead zones set to 0. Error % is still around 7% but that's still not bad. I do realize gamepad test says to spin the sticks slowly so that's on me, but doing another test not on camera moving the sticks slowly and the results are the same.
I wonder why all RU-vidrs always recite the (incorrect) marketing speech about hall effect sticks, without reasoning about the basis of it. Hall Effect is the remedy for capacitive reading-surface degradation, not for stick drift. What a hall effect sticks will save you from, is twitchy, jumpy, incorrect or not even at all, reading and reporting of the direction your stick is pointing to, because there is no capacitive surface to degrade. But they will not save you from stick drift, which depends on the springs loosening with time or the base of the stick slowly (very slowly) degrading from extensive use, and in this regard, hall effect share the same principle of the capacitive ones, so hall effect can, and they do, have stick drift with extensive use.
@@dankl3ss194 He's right, there is actually one spring. It's the repositioning spring. Technically if that spring goes out on you, you will then get stick drift.
Oh I tried it and I really liked it but it had so many issues related to software I ended up returning it. Half the time the back paddles or the triggers would stop working and I used to need to restart my entire PC to get them to come back. Other than that, I loved it and I liked having a pro controller with more PlayStation style format
Estaba pensando en comprar el kk3 por los botones traseros y el cambio de los gatillos pero viendo este video cambie de opinión, además ahora el vader 3 esta a 1/3 del precio del kk3 en Aliexpress, lo único que me falto en esta reseña fue la sensación del giroscopio, yo juego con gyroaim en PC y esos 1000hz podrian ser oa diferencia.
you've got xbox gamebar enabled on your pc, thats why the elite "mouse" moves. You should delete it if not using or not a game pass person, it uses resources while gaming
Would the Elite 3 get the over-clocking function ? We're already in september but am willing to wait if I can get an xbox roller that is over clockable but if it's stuck to 124hZ I'll have to go with something else... weird move from Microsoft for the longest time.
@@sphaxxhaps3628 who knows. That would be pretty neat though. There still hasn't been any announcement about an Elite series 3 however, so we still don't know when it will ever come out.
Hi thanks for all your hard work, curious to know if the bumpers on both the controllers are clicky (like scuff) or mushy? Reason being I like using bunpers to aim and shoot when playing FPS games. Thanks in advanced.
I can't confirm if the bumpers on the Vader pro are clicky, but they definitely 100% are not mushy. They are very tactile but don't make the same mouse Click sound that the triggers and the face buttons do. The bumpers on the KK3 are also not clicky, I wouldn't describe them as mushy but I think the ones on the Vader 3 pro feel better
@@chronicmayhem thanks for the quick response. Would you or perhaps anyone here know if any kontrol freeks work on this controller (and what size). I like to use the Galaxy kontrol freeks on the right stick for fps games.
@@chronicmayhem One follow up question does the Vader pro back buttons feel clicky or is it mushy? I'm assuming the KK3 back buttons feel like the elite 2 where it's clicky. Thanks again.
Great informative video! I just bought a KK3 MAX. It is my first time trying out the back paddles and I was massively disappointed that they can only mirror functions of the regular buttons, you can't map them to perform actions that you can't already do with regular buttons. Are all of these controllers that way? I really wish I had more functions assigned to different buttons on the controller
Some are some are the ones you can map like keyboard functions to usually need software running in the background. The scuffin vision pro you can map keyboard functions to and the Vader 3 pro I believe you can also but again the software needs to be running in the background
They are all like that because they don’t want you to have macros for back buttons for competitive advantages that are beyond the scope of natural competition 😅
Great comparison. I had the same controllers, except my KK3 was in grey because it looks better, and i say "was" because i returned it. The triggers are pretty bad, especially when locked because they still press down too far as you mentioned. It feels cheap/nasty because there's just a thin piece of plastic that locks them in place, so it bends and sounds creaky. While the V3 Pro is the exact opposite - it has great triggers, especially when locked. Solid, sturdy, and they feel like a responsive mouse click. Plus there's rumble motors inside. The KK3's D-pad is too small and mushy. It's not bad overall, although It's very mediocre for fighting games. But the V3 Pro easily has one of the best D-pads i've used in 30+ years. Full size circular D-pads, also known as REAL D-pads, are objectively superior. Sega showed everyone how this is done decades ago (as always), yet here we still are with small plus (+) shaped D-pads. Pathetic. Speaking of fighters, the V3 Pro's C and Z buttons are excellent for these types of games. Once again Sega showed everyone how this is done. The KK3 obviously lacks these buttons. The ABXY buttons on the KK3 have barely any rattle sound or wobble. They feel pretty good. But again the V3 Pro's are still better with the mechanical switches. They feel great with a reassuring click, which isn't annoyingly loud or anything. Makes them feel more responsive as well. I much prefer the integrated back buttons on the V3 Pro over the paddles that stick out WAY too much on the KK3. They're uncomfortable, as you've pointed out. The V3 Pro charges much faster and the battery seems to last longer, at least when the lighting is enabled on both controllers and set to a similar brightness level. The KK3's gyro is poor. Feels like it's running at around 60Hz polling rate or something. It lacks precision. Once again the V3 Pro performs better. You're right about the KK3 being a fingerprint magnet. It wont just wipe off with a dry cloth either. There's no software for the KK3 so you cannot configure more advanced settings. The KK3 may have the ability to do a lot of things on the controller itself, but you can just set everything up in the V3 Pro's software and save a configuration to the controller, then switch between these configs by pressing Select + A/B/X/Y. The last straw for me was the 33ms input latency on the KK3. It may have 1000Hz (1ms) polling rate but that doesn't mean much when there's a processing delay before sending the signal, so the input latency ends up slower than almost any other controller. 33ms is 2 entire frames at 60fps. That's huge. It's the same for both the dongle and Bluetooth, although the cable connection is very fast at 3ms (but who uses a cable). The actual TOTAL time it takes for the controller to communicate with the device is what matters and this can only be tested with a high frame rate camera or dedicated testing device, like what Gamepadla offer. For example, the standard Series controller has 6ms total input latency yet it only has 125Hz polling rate. I also didn't like how the KK3 takes anywhere from 3 - 9 seconds to connect to the dongle, while the V3 Pro always connects in 1 second when turned on. The only things i miss on the KK3 are how accurate the sticks are, the turbo and the ability to record up to 10 minutes of inputs (and how it looks). Although i prefer the looser tension of the V3 Pro's sticks. Overall the KK3 is overrated and getting far more attention than it deserves. It absolutely is not a competitor to the V3 Pro. As for the Elite controllers, both 1 and 2, they're the worst controllers i've ever bought and wont be getting another one ever again. The sticks always fail and they fall apart/break with little use. All the rubber came off my Elite 1 within 2 months. They cost so much yet the quality is awful. BTW my V3 Pro resets the sticks to a perfect 0.00002 on Gamepad Tester. Try updating your firmware and then recalibrating the sticks (Hold Select + Start + Up on the D-pad to enter calibration mode).
Updated my vader 3 pro and the sticks now reset perfectly as you mentioned. The finger print thing seems to me mostly a black version issue. You are correct I've seen TON of people on Reddit complain about the input delay on the kk3, i didn't notice it but i still should have mentioned it as it is a huge issue, maybe they can fix that with firmware but who knows.
Yo just swap the back small paddles to face upwards and then they should sit in a better stack you might like if you like the flipper and small paddle layout.
"pretty cool" Nothing about glowing lights is cool. It's a silly gimmick. RGB is not "cool." "I haven't really found a purpose for the extra face buttons" The default bind is for the analog stick clicks. This is what many people want because as perceptive people know, stick clicks is a horrible feeling input especially when you're fully deflecting the stick already and need to click it. Aside from that, the more buttons the better so you can bind every functions on PC or emulators.
just hate the feel of a dual sense, cant help it. I even feel like the series x controller feels best, a few millimeters smaller and more comfortable in the hands than an elite 2.So i hope this will match it only with paddles.
I have the KK3 Max and happy, despite the fingerprints, which is true (and my hands don't sweat). But I'm curious about trying the Flydigi I might buy it, both are cheap here at Philippines
For the Vader controller the c and z would be clutch for opening up the map or for let’s say wz for clearing pings after opening the map. So you would press c then z in quick form to not have to do start and down on the right stick to clear the pings with large hand travel to do so.
@@chronicmayhemCan Vader 3 Pro work only on cable if I disconnect the battery? I want to play like on Xbox controller with cable and without batterys.
I can buy the kk3max and vp3 for 40 dollars here in PH. What do you recommend for a pc player. I already have the switch pro controller tho. Kk3 and vp3 seems to be good vs the expensive elite series 2. Can't decide. 😊
Personally after using both the kk3 max and the Vader pro 3 I like the vader 3 pro more for fps games. Both are better options then the elite series 2.
Edit: Review of KK3 Max after I have returned it, it's almost really well made, just not there: Defects: - Controller would rarely "hold" any button down for me, usually LB Gripes: - The buttons are slightly too high, compared to my xbox controller. As someone who's usage of a controller is 90% Rocket League, the ability to quickly and easily press A and X over & over again is important and it was causing some strain in my forearm. - No software: Start and Back buttons are by default mapped to the + and - buttons. Couldn't remap them to the actually reachable buttons in the middle - Paddles extruding too much to be useful Notes: - The triggers are a fair bit more resistant than an Xbox controller. I was willing to try get used to it but I hadn't determined if it was a gripe of mine or not I only play RL & soulslikes with controllers nowadays so i'm going with kk3, never used a controller that wasn't the stock xbox/PS controllers in my life and don't think i'll miss mechanical buttons from V3 and ain't no way i'm installing some random chinese tech company software for the V3, id rather it be a web utility. I do wish the KK3's paddles were more like what the Xbox Elite ones look like, but i've never even used paddles before & because of RL I play with two fingers on bumpers & triggers, maybe the paddles will be easier to use with ring finger. After researching this for an hour, apparently stuff like the circularity test can be easily patched out by the manufacturer like programming deadzone into the controller and the test doesn't really mean that much, but I don't know how true that is.
@@chronicmayhem Man I just got it and the start and back buttons are the plus and minus buttons? Rocket League has heavy use of the back button, how do I remap it to the actually reachable buttons in the middle?
I bought a elite series 2 about 3 weeks ago on Facebook market place from an adult gamer (47) for 69 bucks I'll get the the Vader 3 pro for 79 as a back up because deals are deals
Awesome! That is a really good deal and I always like having more than one control or anyway. Man, there's some insanely good deals on Facebook marketplace.
that is your personal preference .. the elite 2 paddles ergonomic sucks for me.. don't judge your comfort to others we have different hands.. i prefer kk3 max than elite 2 all day
I've got the guli kit kk3 and elite series 2. The guli kit paddles are taking alot of unnecessary heat imo. I use the bottom one with my ring fingers tho. Guli paddles are for sure usable lol. I'm also not getting the 33ms input lag, Its alot more responsive than my elite series 2. The sticks are fire, playing on 0 deadzone. The grey doesnt get fingerprinty.
I guess I meant unusable for me specifically. I did like using the half domes and the smaller battles more though that seemed more comfortable again just me. I have heard of other people taking vice grips to those bigger battles and bending them so they're closer to the shell, that probably would have fixed them for me.
@@chronicmayhem I got that. For me switching from the elite series 2 the paddles are pretty close and no problems at all. Every review is complaining about them. I thought I would have to do the vise adjustment but they're fine for ring fingers. My polling rate tests were 1.2ms of input delay wired. I was getting tired of playing at 125hz on the elite not to mention fixing bumpers every few months.
@@budgetmealeats i have not tried it HOWEVER I've have seen on Reddit some people claiming to have gotten it to work www.reddit.com/r/Controller/comments/18edpw0/how_to_connect_flydigi_vader_3_pro_to_ipad_pro/
Galera me responde aí se o Analógico R da direita de vcs é um pouco bugado tipo ele fica girando aí engasga e volta a girar sendo tbm que o giro pra esquerda é mais rápido do que pra direita. Aí tive a ideia de minimizar todos botões do jogo e joguei lá no canto do mapa e criei um hud no flydigi só com o R pra testar mas continuou com o engasgo. Não sei se é só no Vader 3 pro esse engasgo ou se é em todos gamepads da flydigi e tbm não sei se uma atualização poderia corrigir esee bug. Respondam aí se o de vcs tem esse engasgo pf blz TMJ 👍🏾.
How does weight of the V3pro and the KK3 compare to the Xbox Elite Series 2? I like the heft of the Elite Series 2, but can't seem to find information about the weight of the other 2 controllers online..
Kk3 max is not very heavy. I recently got one and I’m sending it back. My sticks are not very accurate at all even after calibration. Gonna order an Apex 4 that has much better centring. Apex 4 is also quite heavy so maybe have a look into it.
@@St4rTr3v1Ut10n id love to review it. On paper it seems the clear winner and better than all three of these. Im a small channel still so acquiring new tech to review is sometimes difficult
@@cerberus_uwu I figured that out after this video. This was my very first review. In my future reviews I do the test much more slowly and multiple times.
hello. after turning off the GULIKIT KK3 controller The receiver does not turn off, it keeps flashing even after 20 minutes, so I have chosen to play in Bluetooth mode without problems. (If anyone knows how to turn off the dongle without disconnecting it from the USB port, let me know
I just got an open box elite 2 for $80, turns it was a demo version at Best buy, and the A button doesn't work well. Also it's so heavy! Whats the weight on the other 2? Tysm, excellent review
I would say it's below these as it only has two buttons on the back. However If that's all you need then it's probably good enough for you and it still has Hall effect joysticks.
Yes indeed! I've recalibrated my Vader 3 pro a couple times but the closest I've been able to get it to is about 5% which is still really good and I'm happy with. I might make a short on how to recalibrate it
Very helpful review/comparison. I'm trying to find as many reviews of the KK3 Max as I can, before deciding whether to buy it. The Vader 3 Pro looks very good, but I think I would find the mouse click sound for virtually every input annoying; and I'm also not a fan of the circular d-pad. But I definitely wish the KK3 had the shorter digital trigger travel, since I don't use analog triggers in basically any game I play. The trigger stops sounded very appealing when I heard about the KK3. The longer travel is a shame, but even if it cuts out just half of the overall travel, that would still be a big improvement over only analog. Being able to set the d-pad to 4-way would also be very useful to me for older (primarily NES) games. I currently use the 8bitdo Ultimate Bluetooth controller, and even though their d-pads are great, I frequently start turning in an unintended direction when playing a game like Zelda 1. I would be getting the white KK3 if I get one. Even though the fingerprints will still be there, maybe they at least won't be as noticeable on that color. Because, yeah, that looks like it gets pretty nasty-looking. Not completely sure if I'll just stick with the 8bitdo for now or go for this - but this review was helpful. BTW, just an obscure question. I had briefly owned the Kingkong 2 Pro, and I seemed to recall that the overall shape of the controller made it so that your fingers naturally rested on the triggers - but then it was a little bit awkward to move them forward to use the shoulder buttons (bumpers), like I had to turn my wrist somewhat. I checked with my brother, who has that controller, and he confirmed that it feels awkward for him too to reach the bumpers. Is it more or less similar with the KK3, or does it feel any less awkward? Not a deal breaker for me either way - the 8bitdo Ultimate has the same issue, to me. In my experience, it seems to not be an issue with various official Nintendo controllers, like the Switch Pro and Wii U Pro controllers. But I was just curious about this one anyway.
I think he fingerprints are only an issue on the black version, the gray and white shouldn't show any of that. It's still a banger of a controller for the price. I wish controller companies didn't make all mechanical switches clicky, why can't they be like keyboard brown switches that are silent but tactile? I'd love that. I have noticed with the vader its wheel dpad i hit the direction puttings by mistake activating up and right for example when I want to ping an enemy with the up direction but that could be a me issue, thats not an issue on the kk3. The bumpers on the kk3 might seem a little awkward at first but you mostly would get use to it. The vader definitely has better bumpers and uses the same amount of pressure to activate no matter where you hit them and they are textured.
what did you got? i see KK3 is a lottery pick and have qc and drurability issue, havent picked any, but if flydigi holds well maybe ill consider vader3pro or apex4
@@kevin-sj3wt So I did get a KK3 Max, a little over a week ago. I actually liked it, for the most part. There was a minor QC issue with the left trigger, so I sent it back for a replacement. But just last night I also ordered the Apex 4 from a reputable seller who offers free returns for any reason on AliExpress (far cheaper than on Amazon), to see if I'd like it more. I should get it in about a week. I'll try and remember to let you know what I think about it.
@@kevin-sj3wt Might be too late but the apex 4 is by far the best controller I have ever used. The stick centering is second to none and its a similar price to kk3 max. I actually returned the kk3 max and then got the apex 4 and was shocked at how good it is/realized how lackluster the kk3 is.
@@ridiak3637 you are not late brother, i ended up not getting any controller 😂😂, here In my country Apex 4 is only avallable pre order with price 2.25x of KK3max
@@theenlightened1s I haven't had a chance to try the Vader 4 yet BUT from what I've seen the 4 has the ability to change the stick tension similar to how you can on the elite series 2
@@StardustLegacyFighterthe back buttons in the middle are a bit hard to click on. That's my biggest complaint, but the Vader 3 Pro also had this issue
@Nandinandito I've not had any issues with the back buttons, and I find them very easy to reach and press. I have no idea why so many ppl complain about their back buttons. They're not the best, as the KK3 Max paddles are way better, but they still get the job done.
V3 pro software allows assigning keyboard and mouse buttons to gamepad buttons too. That's a very important functionality that most gamepads miss, especially those without PC software support. And what a funny thing to say it feels like a toy. Gamepads ARE toys. It does feel light but that makes it only better. My xbox controller is much heavier and it hurts my wrists if I use it for an hour or so. Its material is very durable too. I dropped mine several times with no damage afterwards. All in all it's much better than an elite 2 and much cheaper. It's just perfect. PS: with the last update its software now allows macro recording and assignment too.
stick drift on the elite s2 is not that big of an issue. Fixed my stickdrift in literally 5 min. Its extremely easy to fix, there is a quick youtube vid that explains it. The bumper buttons are a different story , they will break on u
I can't find it in stock not even on Amazon and I don't trust them other sites you can order from but yeah I got the Vader 3 Pro today but as soon as I see the Apex 4 I'm going to grab that one.
