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In this video, we break down the difference between pump and semi-auto shotguns and lay the groundwork as to which is a better platform for delivering massive payloads of 12 gauge on target.
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@kapfe1933 Год назад

Fun fact. Here in austria, semi auto shotguns are allowed to own, and pumpaction shotguns are completely banned. One of the stupidest laws i know.

@whitetrashcustomz5003 Год назад

Must've watched too much terminator with Arnold lol

@wildernessjunky6056 Год назад

That is insane sounds liberal lol

@markbrown4127 11 месяцев назад

Ridiculous law, I expect they'll introduce that here in the UK too

@watch7966 11 месяцев назад

What other guns are you allowed to own?

@riley739 11 месяцев назад

@@watch7966pellet and bb 😂

@Convoycrazy Год назад

I think it’s important to note that if you plan on home defense with a semi, you really should take it out to a range or safe place and know exactly what loads will, and will not, cycle it. (Speaking to light loads, mixed loads in your magazine, etc). If it’s a bottom-feeder, it’s good to know which magazines you can and cannot depend on. A homeowner should never *ever* have a new, untested, unfired weapon for home defense! I don’t want to write a novel but you must get out there and run that shotgun.

@vendetta6451 Год назад

That is so true!! I recently got a bullpup and have been going thru different ammo. I learned anything under 1300 velocity will not cycle! The turkish guns all need hot ammo to run them. So far I've found Winchester super x, Remington sluggers, and federal power Shok work perfect with no hangups. But federal law enforcement and Winchester OB won't even chamber and I haven't figured out why. Also,, with the new 9 round mag it won't accept 9 rounds! With a full 9 it won't even lock into the magwellnis at all. I have to take out a shell and make it 8, and even then the best way to chamber it is to have the bolt open and then put the mag in. That's crazy! Ive only run 45 rounds they 5his gun so far so I have a ways to go. But your advice is so true. We won't know what the gun will accept I less we fiddle with it lol

@DDDYLN Год назад

True. That said, I modified my 1979 Remington 1100 12 Gauge "Trap" model to have 9 total rounds in the tube, so 10 rounds total with 1 in the chamber. Unfortunately, I've found that leaving the gun with a loaded magazine tube is a problem. The spring pressure seems to slowly deform the brass cartridge rims over time. This causes the shells to get stuck in the tube. The Remington 1100 12 Gauge, especially the older models, are great bird hunting guns, skeet guns, trap guns, and sporting clays guns in all those activities, the user is typically loading new shells before every shoot. If you leave your Remington 1100 12 Gauge loaded for home defense (who would keep a defense shotgun unloaded?) you may run into problems loading from the mag tube. That's just my 2 cents.

@vladimator1842 Год назад

FACTS!!!

@locoparentis244 Год назад

even a pump needs to be tested and patterned. I found my various pumps performed differently with 1 3/4 mini shells for example. Some of them jammed, some worked OK.

@angmori172 Год назад

So essentially, if I want to make things less complicated, I'll go with a pump. While it's still always important to train with any firearm intended for self-defence use, in the case of a pump all I have to worry about is learning the operation of the gun itself. If I'm accustomed to using it, I know that any ammo of the correct caliber will work just fine. I happen to have a pump, so I just want confirmation that I don't suck lol

@rednecksniper4715 Год назад

To quote Clint Smith; “Pistols put holes in people, rifles put holes through people, shotguns at the right range with the right load will physically remove a chunk of shit from your opponent and throw that shit onto the floor.”

@HarrisonCountyStudio Год назад

I shot a white tail with a Remington pump at 35 yards. One side had thumb hole sized entry wound and a completely blown out shoulder on the other. It dropped him like a bag of potatoes.

@mikewithers299 Год назад

Love me some Clint Smith. 🤣🤣

@uhhuhuhhuuuuuh2027 Год назад

@@HarrisonCountyStudio Killed my first deer about 7? yds away. She still ran about 30 yards, but the 12 gauge slug was found flat when we dressed her out. Shotgun is one of the best tools to have in the toolbox.

@uhhuhuhhuuuuuh2027 Год назад

@@mikewithers299 Clint Smith, and his Clintisms are the BEST! That man is an inspiration

@richardle7469 Год назад

.50cal,, no matter the range, or where you hit them... body parts or body flies... if still alive, he would take his pistol to himself to end his suffering

@lane-gw8ql Год назад

Price and availability seems to be the main factor on a lot of things these days...love both styles

@lane-gw8ql Год назад

💯 send him to Chyna

@usnva5638 Год назад

When in a life and death encounter you shouldn't be worrying about recoil. It doesn't matter how much you feel on the shoulder, you're getting the good end of the gun.

@2KCamaroZ28SS Год назад

You have a point, but you still need to be able to control the gun effectively lol

@DrQuagmire1 Год назад

@@2KCamaroZ28SS as the great Clint Smith once said: "PISTOLS PUT HOLES IN PEOPLE. RIFLES PUT HOLES THROUGH PEOPLE. SHOTGUNS, AT THE RIGHT RANGE WITH THE RIGHT LOAD, WILL PHYSICALLY REMOVE A CHUNK OF SHIT FROM YOUR OPPONENT, AND THROW THAT SHIT ON THE FLOOR!!!!"

@tenchraven Год назад

If you only have one person stomping in your door, sure. With more than one or one who needs a second dose, recovery time, which is made up of recoil and manipulation, starts to be an issue.

@zachsplep Год назад

I call gun recoil "The Posey Principle". Remember Posey from "The Dirty Dozen"? He didn't like to get pushed! And he went ballistic! The same for some people and gun recoil! 😁

@collinkansy5378 Год назад

Still have to practice with them. But I find recoil isn't bad on more quality guns like the nova, 870, 500 etc

@unclegene5372 Год назад

A cop buddy of mine has been around large crowds of people that are about to get unruly. The guys with AR’s show up and nothing changed. The shotguns come out and the body language of everybody around changes. The shotgun generates FEAR because everybody knows it represents one shot destruction.

@Darthdoodoo Год назад

Its because the crowd knows they wont shoot them with an ar15 with live ammo but they will blast them with less lethal from the 12g. Its because they know the less lethal is coming not the shotgun 😆😆😆

@ThrashTillDeth85 Год назад

@@DarthdoodooSame with 40mm launchers

@swesleyc7 Год назад

ARs are to lasers as Shotguns are to cannons. I see why.

@lukehansen1023 Год назад

Glad to see the Erik and Chad team together again!

@dougcutler4948 Год назад

Only missing Dale Jr

@Roboticdoughbull3k Год назад

They compliment each other's knowledge base and personality almost perfectly. They're each capable of a split second cringe slap in mannerism reaction towards one another, or the topic. When one or the other is being impatient or obtuse for whatever reason, it's quite comical. We're all human and have off day's, it's funny when I pick up on their individual "stfu my turn to talk", body language or expressions. They can fire off at each other with enough couth most don't see it, but the trained eye can catch it between camera frames🤣.

@travisweldmaster7815 Год назад

@Master General lol the big mouth knows all

@lincolnk.1964 Год назад

Same

@Kruegernator123 Год назад

@Master General Kanye was right.

@DadHominem Год назад

I grew up using a pump, and I used a pump as a duty weapon for several years. Today I use a Beretta 1301 tactical. My recommendation to anyone starting out is to save up and get either the Beretta 1301 or Benelli M4. Then practice, practice, practice. If you're already good with a pump, and you prefer a pump, stick with the pump. PS - If you're going to use it for self-defense, buy a QUALITY firearm. No clones or budget imports. Get the real deal, from major, well-known, proven manufacturers.

@samuelpope7798 Год назад

Cheap shotgun will get you killed.

@jasonbuck489 Год назад

Ya, I agree!.... It all comes down to how much you value your self, your loved ones, and your property.... It all that worth $1,500 for a quality piece like a Benelli that won't brake or jam when you need it most, or are those things only worth a $170.00 Hatfield from Walmart that is better used as a club?...

@toddk1377 Год назад

I agree, never depend on those cheap Turkish shotguns, TFBYV has proven how terrible they are. If going going newer production, Mossberg is hard to beat. If going older, Mossberg, Remington, Winchester, and Ithaca are all great shotguns that are reliable but cheaper than many semi autos.

@JT15C Год назад

Cheap shotgun won’t get you killed. Look at torture test videos for maverick 88 and Mossberg 500. There’s nothing wrong with the $250-500 shotguns. Just don’t cheap out on shitty brands. Stick with who has good reputation and backs their products.

@toddjohnson271 Год назад

@@JT15C Mossberg is awesome and cheap......most are just cheap.

@Monestary_Warrior Год назад

I purchased a High Standard Riot pump shotgun and a classic Remington 870 with 18.5 in barrel today. Can’t go wrong with shotguns that go bang every time. 🤠👍🏻

@quickgearshifter2719 Год назад

I’ve got ‘em all! A 1974 Ithaca single shot that my dad bought me for my 13th birthday, a Keltec KS7 pump that I run mini shells in giving it a 12+1 capacity, and an IWI Tavor TS12 semi with one tube of slugs, one tube with double-ought buckshot, and one tube with magnum number 5 turkey shot, giving me options for any predicament I may run into. 😛

@dougquaine6666 Год назад

I've been running my Remington 1100 since I was about 14 years old, shooting competition skeet and trap . 57 now I still have it I've used it from competition to hunting and has never failed me absolutely love that shotgun.

@uhhuhuhhuuuuuh2027 Год назад

I started dove hunting with the 1100 LT 20 gauge. I still have it to this day. I put one scratch in the clear coat on the butt stock crossing a barb wire fence when I was 15. I felt like I was going to throw up I felt so bad. If you didnt know where the scratch was, you would never see it. My father gave me that gun. I will never part with it.

@Able-Man Год назад

I'm so glad to read that you two are so happy with your Model 1100's... I've been owning one, for roughly 14 (¿or 16?) years; and have been in poor health, for the most part, and had read some "disturbing" reports of "jamming problems" with the Model 1100's; but, feel much better about my purchase, since "hearing from" you guys!!!

@garrypeek897 Год назад

The only problem I have had is the o ring on the tube.

@pete4633 Год назад

Mine failed me. Pheasant hunting and it went to poop. Finished the successful hunt but something was off. Even my gunsmith tore it down and changed all the rings and the usual stuff and it still wouldn’t go into battery. Sold it for parts soon after

@oklahomahank2378 Год назад

I still have my father’s 1100 in 20, which we used for dove and quail. I have a couple of 12s now, an Ithaca and a Benelli. Still like the 1100, but it is not designed for high round counts. As others have said, you have to change the O rings. You also have to keep the gas system clean.

@1977Yakko Год назад

I'd love to get a Mossberg 940 or Beretta 1301 but budget limits me to the pump gun for now. Not one of my firearms cost more than $800 out of the box and the two semiautomatic shotguns I mentioned are in the $1000-$1500 range IIRC. For now, my Mossberg 590A1 is my home defense shotgun and I feel just fine with that.

@nateh2652 Год назад

The 590a1 is a fantastic choice! Id feel just as armed with one as my benelli m4.

@dr._breens_beard Год назад

590a1 is a solid choice! there is an attachment i use that replaces the trigger assembly pin that grants a single QD mount point for single point sling that works amazingly

@1977Yakko Год назад

@dr. breen's beard Interesting. I had no idea such an option was available. On mine, I got Magpul furniture and barrel clamp. Added the QD cups to the stock, though I think it's a tad ridiculous they don't come attached. The barrel clamp has a QD on one side and a loop on the other to clip a sling to. While I love my Magpul furniture, your solution seems like a good alternative as well.

@rangerdanger766 Год назад

@@nateh2652 had one and it was a dud right out of the box. Needless to say I don't own it anymore

@rangerdanger766 Год назад

590a1 that is

@trapperscout2046 Год назад

I bought a Mossberg 500 about two or three years ago and that was the end of that debate.

@narref04 Год назад

Having both a pump and semi... the finicky nature of my semi, has over the years (and with some of the shortages we recently experienced)... made me switch to primarily my Moss 500 pump. So much so that I have all but stopped using my semi. Now I'm sure some of it is the fact that my semi auto is not a high end Binelli, but the fact that I can have whatever I want in my pump is such a wonderful option.

@narref04 Год назад

Having said the above... I'd rather run towards the shitstorm with my Galil 308 (pistol version) vs any shotgun. Because if someone is 10 feet away or 300.. that's all I would need. So... The under the bed "bump in the night" safe has my Moss500, Galil, and my PX4 Storm.

@Nickrioblanco1 Год назад

What is a Binelli?

@craigjohnson775 Год назад

Whenever im in the market for a particular gun, it seems like you guys always come out with a video in just the nic of time for me to get a little more knowledge on the topic. Thanks guys!!

@rom14141 Год назад

Love them both. Can't short-stroke an auto. I've had failures in both systems while hunting waterfowl and upland game, some were me and some were just things wearing out or breaking. I've used them as paddles, ice breakers and awkward clubs, they work. You get a bunch of versatility for a single gun at a price nearly anyone can afford. If I had only one gun it'd be a tube fed12 ga pump, a long hunting barrel, a short combat barrel, and a variety of ammo and chokes. Got no problem with autos either, but for the money the standard pump is king.

@archangelmichael1978 Год назад

I love both, but I'll say this. If you'll only own one, make it a pump. You can feed a pump anything. More reliable. Less to go wrong. If you own both, the semi will be your "go-to" and the pump as your back up.

@nateh2652 Год назад

Depends on what youre using. My Benelli M4 runs everything, even 7.5 low brass clay loads. So anything hotter is a non issue, like high brass bird loads, buck, or slugs. But if its a cheap semi, id agree

@MrRandomTwat Год назад

But there is literally more things that can go wrong. The chances of a proper semi-auto (Benelli M4 for example) malfunctioning with self-defense loads are much smaller than a person short stroking or causing a malfunction with their manual operation.

@archangelmichael1978 Год назад

@@nateh2652 I had a Saiga clone and it wouldn't eat anything less than hot. You can forget about low recoil rounds. Never had a Benelli. I was always a Winchester guy. Thanks for your input. You're right.

@archangelmichael1978 Год назад

@@MrRandomTwat You have a valid point. User error is always a factor. If you check the other comments, I told Nate that if you use "low recoil" or such in a semi, you're asking for trouble or (in the M4's case) at least rolling the dice. Most SA shotguns are picky about their ammo.

@rob.granger Год назад

If you have only one and don't practice weekly, get a semi. I have had that oh-shit just hunting dove, if it was a spooky shooting back....

@powrguy1696 Год назад

Nothing beats the sound of racking the slide on the 12 ga. pump.

@dr.burtgummerfan439 Год назад

It's a GREAT way to give away your position.👍

@connor1982 Год назад

@@dr.burtgummerfan439 if you're using it in self defense they already know you are there. At least let them know you are armed at the same.rime because they aren't afraid of you to begin with and will find you no matter what you think

@bigbadjohnpesek9894 4 месяца назад

Don't think a sound will scare them away. It might get you killed

@davidkeetz Год назад

I just realized that that "eye dart room assessment" was one of Bruce Willis' signature moves. I remember him doing it in first three die-hard films, He's doing it almost every scene he's in in Pulp Fiction, He even did in 6th sense a couple of times.....like every actor has their thing they do to look more "real" for the camera - whether it's always pushing their glasses up or Tom Cruise's forehead down and forward stare, or Marlon Brando's side eye he would give people, John Wayne would light a cigarette - take one puff from it - then toss it away to his side and backward......Bruce willis would dart his eyes from one side of the room to the other then back to the first in so many scenes.

@LDJ42069 Год назад

Team single shot break action here!

@mikepraed4623 Год назад

Gave up on the Flint-lock double black powder?

@hunterknudtson5213 Год назад

Topper 88 for shtf ftw!!!!!!

@LDJ42069 Год назад

@@hunterknudtson5213 hell yeah! I actually run a New England Firearms (H&R) Pardner 12ga w/ a iron sighted Topper 162 barrel for my public land cannon. Best $200 I ever spent!

@LDJ42069 Год назад

@@mikepraed4623 hell no! Still running that too 🤣

@mikepraed4623 Год назад

I love this topic! If anything it will lead to an excuse to buy another gun!😄

@scottydouglass1892 Год назад

I love the 590, but that 940 looks super cool. A couple of my buddies have 1301's, they are cool also.

@googlechicken Год назад

Be honest you don’t really know anyone with a 1301. You just think they are good because the inter web said so

@scottydouglass1892 Год назад

@@googlechicken I didn't say I wanted one also. Butt they are faster than my 590. Nor did I say that my buddies were cool, they kind of are dorks.

@bretgeidel613 Год назад

I like the beretta 1301 tactical and with the blink action it is a fast cycling semi automatic. I only run full power shells so no cycling issues. Also the 1301 tactical is light recoiling and overall light weight shotgun in my opinion.

@unclejj509 Год назад

The 1301 will be my next semi auto.

@DocMitchell69 Год назад

I want a 1301 badly. All I have right now is a Browning A5 from 1933, which is a fantastic shotgun in its own right. Damned good for skeet, trap, etc but not optimal for defense. I’ve got shoulder issues so a light recoiling but also light shotgun is a definite for me.

@turkeyboyjh1 Год назад

Beretta semi auto shot guns are in a class of they’re own I’ve owned 2 AL390s and one 1301 tactical, never had one jam out of the 1000s of rounds I’ve ran though them and one of the best pointing shot guns I’ve used, the recoil control on my AL390 with a turkey choke muzzle brake is ridiculous it makes 3” tungsten loads feel like 2 3/4 low brass target loads

@Spectt84 Год назад

I like the pumps. You get the most "bang for the buck" (I'm a cheap skate), you get rock solid reliability, and I actually like the inherently slower fire rate intrinsic to the operation of pumps. I'm sure it isn't something that can't be rectified with training- but in the heat of the moment it is very hard to slow down and not blow thru your limited ammo very very quickly. When you are "pumping" in between each shot, you (or at least me) really slow down and make every shell count. Another thing to note, despite my best effort, I live under a tyrannical local and state government. I don't have the option to have an AR15 or high capacity magazines. I fear owning semi-autos are next to be infringed upon. I even heard some BS about ALL shotguns being considered unlawful because they can accept "mini-slugs" increasing their capacity above 10 rounds. Fuckn' insane radical left-wing nut jobs!

@timbaker266 Год назад

Love the way you delivered your comment, you would make a good shooting buddy !

@scottashe984 Год назад

Pretty sure you can get an AR in every state. Just with smaller mags or other weirdness.

@Spectt84 Год назад

@@scottashe984 CT has an "Assault weapons ban" after the Newtown school shooting. Sure, you can get one of those "featureless" ARs with a 10 shot magazine but at that point there are better options.

@sicsemperevellomortemtyran3193 Год назад

Semi autos are my line in the sand. Nope they can't have them.

@sgtnick04 Год назад

(THIS IS NOT LEGAL ADVICE) I live in CT, normal non-pooped AR rifles are illegal (idk about a fixed mag, ten round max), but you can get a 'CT Other" an other isnt legally a rifle or pistol or etc, its its own being, they're kinda like a legal SBR that you need to have a few things normally like pistol brace and a vertical grip to fit in the "loophole" and you don't need a fixed magazine. Its weird how it works, you can get otherized AKs and more too. Not the legal definition but the normal person definition, I actually wonder if CT has the highist SBR owner rate, because we are forced to have "others".

@toddk1377 Год назад

I'm a pump shotgun kinda guy. I've had many semi autos, most had the gas piston feature that needed to be switched light to heavy and that was just a turn off to me. Mossberg 590 and Remington 870 has always been my go to and never had an issue. With pump actions, it's just a learning curve to cycle the action properly every time. I do agree though, a shotgun is probably the most difficult platform to master just because of the reloading, but like with any firearm, training, training, training!

@brentbeardsley655 Год назад

Maverick 88 security pump 7+1 20". Bought 2 months ago from Sportsman's Warehouse Ankeny, Iowa for $254 out the door. Had to order it and wait 2 months. Amazing quality for the money.

@cameracamera1319 10 месяцев назад

Now buy a 2nd one. 1 front door. 1 bedroom

@TheObso1337 Год назад

I had an 80s production Mossberg 500 on defense standby for years. Shot it a lot, totally reliable, really like the flush fit elevator that makes loading the tube easy. It recently got replaced by a Turkish made Benelli M4 clone (Charles Daly 601 DPS) only after I ran 1500+ rounds out of it. I originally got it just for fun, but it has genuinely impressed me and is still holding up well to high round counts. I'm in no hurry to get rid of my old Mossberg though!

@mikewithers299 Год назад

I wouldn't either. They are reliable

@toddk1377 Год назад

You must have bought a good one, many of those Turkish shotguns have issues. I know James from TFBYV has multiple shotgun burn downs and all failed except for the maverick 88.

@BigBoyElectricToys Год назад

Love my Tavor 12 and 930 JM Pro! A Glad to see the guys back together!

@wipperwil Год назад

I see that every single time you boys shoot 12ga you’re grinning like school kids. Loads of fun there!!

@Able-Man Год назад

It's been my observation, that the Old "Browning Auto 5" is an EXTREMELY RELIABLE semi auto shotgun!

@Harley831 Год назад

Mine hasn’t failed me yet!

@Nickrioblanco1 Год назад

But it is a pain to clean.

@Harley831 Год назад

@@Nickrioblanco1 that…. I can completely agree with, lol🤦‍♂️

@Harley831 Год назад

@@Nickrioblanco1 full tear down, clean, reassemble took me at least 1:15

@ped832 Год назад

Haven't watched you fellows in a while. I'm seeing age growing, hence, experience. I like this format of your conversation. I will look forward to seeing you guys shoot something again. Best wishes.

@Spushed Год назад

Nothing says you'll never be wounded in an encounter. For that reason and one other, multiple perps I choose semi auto over pump action. You get a faster rate of fire as well as less action required on the end user. This is especially important if you get wounded on your actuating arm. As far as reliability goes I've never ever had a semi auto fail to eject or feed. Maintain you guns. Remington model 1100.

@oleyeller3256 Год назад

Thats where the terminator reload style comes in handy 😂. It works tho lol

@Spushed Год назад

@stan d. upnow are you referring to fully semi 30 auto caliber fire?

@Spushed Год назад

@stan d. upnow those are typically referred to as semi auto. A pistol is tertiary in order of lethality. With a rifle and a shotgun being mixed depending on situation, proximity, environment, range, & number of targets. Typically a rifle round is preferred in most if not all situations as you can customize said rifle in a manner to be effective at both CQB and medium range. Anyone worth their salt knows that a pistol is either the last line before hand to hand or is a means of defense in getting to a rifle/shotgun.

@Spushed Год назад

@stan d. upnow now that I told you, you know also, you were using incorrect terminology in your first post.

@Spushed Год назад

@stan d. upnow so you're deflecting, berating me because I was right? Interesting...what is a HUTA politician? Is this a reference to a city in Poland perhaps?

@rednecksniper4715 Год назад

My home defense is my 1897 trench gun. Semi autos might be fast but slam fire is faster 😂 got the M1917 bayonet as backup lol

@Dulex123 Год назад

Definitely don’t wanna be faced with that!

@captaintac3115 Год назад

Finally got my first shotgun at 30. And I went for the simple Maverick 88 security model. Just had to swap the pistol grip for a proper stock. It's a very simple and easy to learn to shoot on.

@mikewithers299 Год назад

I still love my 88 and it will be the first to the fight. Mini shell adapter stays in to give me 11 shots if needed.

@jasoncastle4818 Год назад

Excellent 👌, I prefer the 20 gauge mav 88 ! Good shooting to you!

@stuckgrenadepin.225 Год назад

@@jasoncastle4818 you are in good company there. Massad ayoob also recommended the 20ga for many years. Not sure if it is still his recommendation but his prior stamp on it makes me feel secure with them if need be.

@hummerzdca Год назад

As far as favorites, and the assessment like you mentioned in the 5th Element, the pump delay compared to the semi auto you do get that moment of reassessment before the next shot is what came to mind, especially in a home defense situation. THe fact, and sound of a 12 gauge going off even for a single shot is enough to make any criminal rethink their intrusion I believe. Great show Guys! LuvYa! Keep it up.

@hummerzdca Год назад

@lraqvertran8888 Hey! There you are! Okay great. Thanks for all your insight, and education. Can’t wait!

@Galamoth66 Год назад

I used to be hardcore about pumps, but modern semi autos like the 930 JM Pro runs so flawlessly with everything from Walmart birdshot up to high power bear slugs. I think I've put 400 rounds through that shotgun have had zero issues with it . Pump shotguns will always have a special place in my heart but I know which one I'm grabbing if I need it. And yes the fifth elements one of the best movies ever 😂

@rudrashakti108 Год назад

Birdshot is actually high powered. Does it cycle low powered target loads and defense loads? I love the ergonomics of your gun, when I handled one at a gun shop.

@Galamoth66 Год назад

@@rudrashakti108 yes all defence loads. Low power never runs in autos you have to hand cycle things like less than lethals.

@rudrashakti108 Год назад

@@Galamoth66 I ask because the Winchester defender loads are low velocity. They wouldn’t cycle through the kusa AK auto shotgun I used to own.

@Galamoth66 Год назад

@@rudrashakti108 yeah im not sure about those

@gameragodzilla Год назад

@@Galamoth66 I wish there were more convertible shotguns like my SPAS-12 or the Benelli M3 for that reason. Run semi-auto most of the time with loads I know will work, but if I’m stuck with lower powered loads, I can make do with pump mode.

@Damian1975 Год назад

I love both. And own both but my go to is the ‘Maverick 88 for hone defense. Semi for clay bird / and range day fun

@joshdoe7288 Год назад

An important part to consider id what are you willing to loose if you have to use it for self defense. It’s sad but even if it’s a good shoot it’s always hard to get your stuff back so maybe better to use what you’re willing to loose instead of your holy grail

@Stevarooni Год назад

That's a good reason not to use your 24K plated, engraved, antique firearm to defend yourself, but a good quality self-defense gun is a must.

@joshdoe7288 Год назад

@@Stevarooni 100% a must. It’s just the only reason id be more likely to grab the supernova instead of my m4.

@donhunter5.56 Год назад

That’s why I love shadow systems. If you lose your firearm in a good shoot they will replace it at no cost. Great company.

@blackhawk65589 Год назад

I love all shotguns, but single shots have a soft spot in my heart

@googlechicken Год назад

No they dont

@harperhellems3648 Год назад

Yep. And coach side by side too.

@Araretoy Год назад

And a sore spot on the shoulder? 😁🤣🤣 j/k

@blackhawk65589 Год назад

@@Araretoy Ha! Quite the sore spot XD

@JohnSmith-wr1vz Год назад

I like the 940 Mossberg JM Pro semi auto. They have lightning fast follow ups. Designed to quad load and hold 9 plus 1 for $1,000.

@toddjohnson271 Год назад

Very cool rig....just perfect.

@mayhemgarage9672 Год назад

I have a 930 spx love it

@dayontapout Год назад

Eric's dropping those lbs!! Good job brother!!

@jamesbasaldua100 Год назад

Good view on shot guns guys. Keep the information coming guys. See you on the next video.

@gearhead7896 Год назад

I have heard that the Alaska Game and Fish Wildlife officers only use pump shotguns loaded with Brenneke slugs (for bear attacks). The semi auto action would malfunction with the low outdoor temperatures.

@DDDYLN Год назад

That makes sense, since gas pressure is highly affected by temperature. I have a master's in mechanical engineering, so it makes sense to me. With an inertia semi-auto shotgun, I suspect it would be less of an issue.

@evanf1443 Год назад

@@DDDYLN yes and no. Initeria might work better in extreme cold than gas piston, but that’s not the only way cold can have an effect. Believe it or not some gun lubes get viscous or even freeze and could be considered insufficient for cold temps and can lock up firearms. This could arguably affect a pump guns a little less.

@DDDYLN Год назад

@@evanf1443 well, I've given up on my semi-auto 1979 Remington 1100 12 gauge. It just doesn't suit my purposes anymore. It's a bird hunting, sporting clays, trap, and skeet gun. For physical reasons, I no longer do any of those things, and I haven't got over a decade. I'm going to sell it, and buy a Standard Manufacturing DP-12. It has a 14+2 capacity. That said, something I've learned recently with high capacity shotguns, is that you can't trust them if you leave the feed tubes fully loaded. When my Remington 1100 was just 2+1 with the factory limited, it always ran fine, assuming the o-ring area was clean. I put an extension on it for a home defense guns, which was a massively dumb idea. After it sat in my gun cabinet fully loaded for months, the spring wouldn't feed the last round. I was reading that the police figured out how to remedy this. They typically carry a shotgun up front. They don't load the last round in the tube, so the spring doesn't wear out. If they have to use the shotgun, they put another round in if they have time. So, when I get my DP-12, it'll really be 12+2. That's still a lot of 12 gauge buckshot!

@DDDYLN Год назад

@@evanf1443 I hear you on the gun lube. There are so many different products out there, with tons of misinformation. I use a good CLP, combined with Rem-oil in the slides of my pistols. I live in VA, though, so it never really gets too cold.

@evanf1443 Год назад

@@DDDYLN sorry to hear you’ve had to give up those hobbies, I’m still fairly new to shotguns personally but I like the idea of their versatility and so I’m hoping to increase my familiarity with them moving forward. That’s interesting regarding leaving it loaded, the general consensus is that it’s use that wears springs out, not compression. I wonder if it’s got anything to do with deformation of the shells over time under the increased tension. As for lube I’ve taken to using shooter’s choice FP-10 CLP, reportedly Canadian police tested it specifically for functionality in sub zero weather. I haven’t taken it out hunting yet cause I haven’t had the opportunity to go the last few years but it’s worked reasonably well in my pistols so far.

@kbjerke Год назад

I run *such* a variety of ammunition through my shotguns that I use only pump actions. I notice that autoloaders don't reliably function with "specialty" ammunition, like flares, bear bangers, light loads, short cases, etc. I *DO* like auto shotguns in a recreational role, however. They are a lot of fun to shoot. Thanks for the video, guys! And Merry Christmas!

@frostriver4547 Год назад

I’ve got all the stuff “hanging” on my IWI TS12. Flashlight, 2 point sling, Fab Defense irons and a Holosun HS510C. Adjustable gas block let’s me run just about anything except mini’s. 15+1 and she’s fast

@RangeDayShootingSupply Год назад

Mossberg has some of the (if not THE) best customer service in the firearms industry in my opinion. They have always taken excellent care of me.

@jimyowell850 Год назад

I love my Rock Island Armory VR-80. It came with two 5 round magaxines, I bought four 9 round magazines , then a 20 round drum.

@MyCatFooed Год назад

Both. All. Every single one of them. Much Love & Respect --- Directly from the rolling hills and fertile farmlands of Pennsylvania!! :) Domari Nolo PA III

@randyc5650 Год назад

I always figured pumps were more reliable also until I started sporting clays. Sometimes guys would show up for a local tournament with their Remington, Winchester or Mossberg pump. These guys were usually pretty good shots but at some point, their pumps jammed. Maybe they were excited, but they jammed. My friend's Remington 1100 and my Benelli M1 never jammed as long as they were relatively clean.

@MrGunBunny13 Год назад

I've never had that problem with my Mossberg 500. Seems like it may be an operator error.

@randyc5650 Год назад

@@MrGunBunny13 I think it was excitement. It was their first tournament. And when their guns went off, they were hits.

@oklahomahank2378 Год назад

Short stroking can do it.

@MrGunBunny13 Год назад

@@randyc5650 Could be that they somehow short-stroked. I've always found the Mossberg 500 to be a very reliable and robust shotgun. Mine is an 18.5" barrel with no choke and it worked fabulously for skeet. I'd like to have a more traditional side-by-side, but I'm just too broke for it.

@randyc5650 Год назад

@@MrGunBunny13 I'm sure you are right because these guys were better shots than I am.

@tonylawrence1814 Год назад

Been missing Chad, no offense Eric, but nice to have you both back again..good video ❤️🇺🇸👍

@davek5027 Год назад

I worked for a large western Sheriffs department for 28 years, and an Ithaca Model 37 12 gauge rode with me the entire time. When our department switched over to the 870, they sold the remaining Ithacas to us deputies. I got a beautiful 8-shot DSPS with rifle sights and gorgeous walnut stock. I trust it with my life.

@slasher302 Год назад

The H&K Benelli Super Black Eagle is a GREAT goose gun, but has some trouble with some of the lighter loads used in sporting clays. I ended up having to go back to my pump gun because the supplied ammo wouldn't run the action in the SBE.

@janicecopeland9083 Год назад

5' 4" 115lbs and my go to home defense firearm is a Mossberg 590S Shockwave 18.5" with a SOLOFISH SL-1107 Green Laser Sight loaded with Federal Shorty #4 Buck.

@lukelee8934 Год назад

I had an Ithica model 51 magnum Featherlite 2 3/4 or 3", that thing was a beast. I should've never sold it.

@chrismackeigan5687 Год назад

I love this channel, and it’s input. Especially when it comes to legal/ constitutional issues and the folks who “ represent us “ the self governed . Thanks for your service!

@sttvoyager1727 Год назад

Beretta 1302 is an ABSOLUTELY AWESOME SEMI AUTO SHOTGUN. My absolute favorite.

@davsmth41 Год назад

2 points to make ... I had the Weatherby Turkey 12ga for home defense, and sold it right away. Had two pistons with it for different weight shells, and all I can say, that was the most un reliable weapon I had ever owned. And any shotgun that tells you to run a minimum of 100 rounds through it before you can expect it to work correctly, is not one you should own in my opinion. Now I have a Mossberg 930, I use #4 shot for home defense. I think its strong enough to get the job done promptly without having 00 going through the walls to the cars or neighbors house. And yes, I don't want holes in my cars lol Great Video

@nateh2652 Год назад

You do mean #4 buck, right? If its bird, it wont penetrate to an effective depth to be reliably lethal and incapacitating

@davsmth41 Год назад

@@nateh2652 Actually its Kent Ultimate Fast Lead #4 Diamond Shot, 2 3/4" shell, 1475 FPS. That is just what I am using as my Home Defense load. I wanted to find a happy medium between getting the job done, and shots going through walls. Also, you have to think about your house layout. Inside my 2800 sq ft house, I think a max range shot if needed to be 25 to 30 feet tops. So this is what I chose.

@noonehere1793 Год назад

The question is for me what are the distances involved. A slug gives you a big advantage in typical gun fight scenarios and 00 buck will also get the bad guys attention. PROPER TRAINING is the most important thing with any fire arm and I’m partial to the .45 acp because it typically stops the threat and I’m partial to the semi auto IF ITS A GOOD ONE as you can hurl out a lot of lead in a short time.

@vendetta6451 Год назад

This was a great video. I just got a vrbo100 and this was so helpful! Im running bucks but will keep slugs for home defense. But chads argument for buckshot made a lot of sense 3sp3cially with flight control ammo. I have a 500 round break in so I'm buying a lot of different slugs (indoor range, quickshots). I think anything over 1200 velocity I should have no cycling issues...let's hope. I hated I couldn't get it from moss. I was the guy asking about the tokarev lol. You and your bruh are firearm experts!!! I didn't serve in Iraq but if I did I woulda.wanted to be in your group. You take all aspects into play.

@robertgardner3907 Год назад

Great shotgun content guys!! Love the "Fifth Element " references!!

@65Grndl Год назад

I had a Mossberg pump... loved it. Bought a CZ712 22" stuck a Carlson 5rd mag extender, and fiber optic sights, and never looked back. Just sold my Mossy earlier this past spring after 4 years of owning both. My 712 has never failed yet. I use it for everything from sporting clays, hunting, and running and gunning. I still like a good pump shotgun though.

@samyheadshot Год назад

Honestly i have no real gun knowledge maybe a little above average. But i would go with a pump, simply for the fact that i know that Sound and im assuming most criminals do as well.

@jimjordan2209 Год назад

I looked at the M3 and M4 before deciding to go with a pump action. I am getting older and don't get around as well as I used to. I have adult daughters who live with me. They have never fired a shotgun so I purchased a Mossberg 590 in .410 bore for them to learn on. I will be adding a 590A1 in 12 guage later and looking for the right loads for our situation

@THE-RIGJUICE Год назад

Just bought my first shotgun a couple months ago. I didnt want or need anything fancy since Im just gonna drag it through the woods on drives so I figured I should buy used to save a couple bucks. I had a choice between an 870 or an 1100. Ended up scooping the 870 cause it was lighter, felt better in my hands and it just fit me better (it points well for me). Ive been happy with the purchase so far but we’ll see how she fares next week for buck week here in NJ.

@mimzy5943 Год назад

I got both and love both

@davidwisnewski9687 Год назад

Should work well for you. Had a 870 Wingmaster with a smooth bore slug barrel. Never failed. Used slug or 00 buck for deer in NJ, switched out to #6 bird shit for grouse in Maine. I felt confident to it use for self defense if the situation ever came up. Since have a 870 Express with same type barrel. Changed out the MIM extractor, carrier dog spring and plastic follower. Feel the same about that gun.

@danielguadian2716 Год назад

Eric, thank you so much for mentioning the FN SLP MK1 auto. It's a beast of a gun, handles with ease & scary fast. I bought mine during the 1st gun craze, kind of pricey but glad I did. I found another, barely used, loaded with Gucci stuff. All for $700, couldn't pass it up. FN is no longer making the SLP so I'm glad I have 2. They should last me until the Good Lord takes me home. As always, Great content. Say hello to Chad, he's a Good Man...

@raykettel1837 Год назад

BTW, the FN SLP MK1 and Winchester SX2 share the same receiver so their barrels are cross compatible. FN owns Winchester. I bought a Winchester SX2 a few months ago with 28" barrel for clay but later discovered that the FN SLP MK1 22" smooth cantilever barrel is compatible with my SX4 and only costs $249 so I bought it as it is the shortest smooth bore barrel that is compatible with my SX4. If you wanted a 2nd barrel you could use a SX2, SX3, or SX4 barrel with your FN shotguns.

@danielguadian2716 Год назад

@@raykettel1837 Thank you for that great info. Are there any other parts that are compatible???

@erroneous6947 Год назад

For home defense I like a double barrel too nice and short.

@rogeradams9874 Год назад

I love my 1960's semiauto Ithaca 12 gauge that grandad gave me for my 13th birthday (in '94) but for reliability I've always been told that a pump action is the way to go, the reliability difference between a auto and a pump is the same as a semiauto pistol and a revolver, if something goes wrong you can manually cycle it to the next round

@tylermallory2504 Год назад

You've obviously never come across a locked up revolver...

@rogeradams9874 Год назад

Actually I haven't, but now that you mention it I have heard of it

@tylermallory2504 Год назад

@@rogeradams9874 when they lock up all you have is a paperweight, usually can't even get the cylinder open to unload them. My ruger sp101 did it 2 rounds into the cylinder, all because of a kink in a 10 cent spring... LoL

@BrassCatcher Год назад

My 930 jm pro has ran the cheap Walmart Winchester/federal since it came out of the box. Only issue I’ve had is the follower binding when it bottoms out, switched to an aluminum follower and it shreds

@raykettel1837 Год назад

I read that the 940 is what the 930 should have been. The 940 has fixes for 930 issues. I also read all the 930 issues can be fixed with aftermarket parts. That sounds like what you did.

@redrock425 Год назад

@@raykettel1837 Correct, I fitted or3gun parts to my 930 JM Pro, runs very well. The 940 looks nice, I'd buy one if I didn't have my 930.

@raykettel1837 Год назад

@@redrock425 I agree with keeping what you've got if it meets your needs rather than getting caught up in thinking one has to have the latest model even when one has the prior version that works just fine.

@justindunlap1235 Год назад

5th element rocks. I ended up going with a Benelli Nova tactical, drilled and tapped it for a rail/red dot and installed a vertical foregrip and 4ocloclk rail section/white light on the fore end. With the +2 mag extension it'll hold 8 rounds total of the Hornady critical defense buckshot. I'm also fond of the huge loading port on the Nova series guns, it makes topping up the mag a little easier.

@AllTheDips Год назад

Pistol with a light on it for home defense. Also having kids in the house it’s not as easy to keep the 12 ga hidden as the pistol. Just mount a gun magnet on your nightstand for your pistol when your in your room when it’s transferred from the safe nightly.

@Manco65 Год назад

Transfered "from" a safe? So then during a home invasion you're going to hope you can make it to your safe in time and hopefully your children won't be potential hostages?

@AllTheDips Год назад

@@Manco65 it stays in the safe while not home, so it can’t be stolen. Then it’s brought out the safe once I’m ready to be in my bedroom. But I conceal carry till then lol

@archangelmichael1978 Год назад

Me and the Mrs have a deadbolt on our bedroom door. It stays locked when we're at work. The good thing about a long gun vs pistol, in regards to little ones, is that a long gun is too long to point at yourself, unless you're pulling the trigger with your toe. I've seen some night stands that are lockable as well. ;)

@robertwatson818 Год назад

We don't "hide" self defense firearms--we keep them "at hand" at all times. Having to go to your bedroom and dig through the closet for a firearm is the same as not being armed. If you have to take more than a few steps to access the weapon--you are unarmed. Always be armed.

@HarrisonCountyStudio Год назад

@@robertwatson818 ditto. Our entire family knows where, and how to use self defense weapons in the home. It’s a way of life

@The5As7 Год назад

I feel that I am in a unique position to make a comment on this subject today. My wife just bought me a Beretta 1301 tactical for my 40th birthday. It is my first semi-automatic shotgun. I've had a Mossberg 835 pump for years and although I love it there is nothing about it that compares to the quality of the Beretta. The Beretta is as smooth as butter and for a shotgun there is next to no recoil. My 13-year-old daughter shot the Beretta today with a smile on her face unlike the Grimace when she shoots the 835. My vote is semi-auto! Thanks for the vid bro! Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.

@linkbond08 Год назад

Lucky you, I've been trying to save for a green 1301 for a year.

@The5As7 Год назад

@@linkbond08 Well, I've had one ordered for six months so when you get close get the order in.

@NoNo_IStay Год назад

I would say happy birthday but she dang made sure of it for ya!

@The5As7 Год назад

@@NoNo_IStay Thanks!

@asanta5390 Год назад

Great vid 👌 guy's. Over here in 🇦🇺 semi auto are banned sorta , pump shotguns are bared as well. So , to you guy's do one on lever and thumb release ones . Just throughing it out there . Keep up the good work. 👍. Springfield m1 a1 and my old fav tank garand

@jeremiah7855 Год назад

Like them both and have both but I lean towards a pump it will eat just about whatever load you put in it low power to full power

@Jazzman-bj9fq Год назад

I'm a big fan of the shotgun myself for the close in combat firearm. It's great at turning the action back to gaining the initiative. There's a video just in the last few months of a robber who came into a convenience store with his AR at the ready and the store owner an older man, was able to stop that ambush in its tracks, bring accurate fire on the aggressor and send him running and screaming. That's 'no shit' real world effects. Can't get that in a pistol and unless you're trained very well, can't readily get that in a carbine rifle. The shotgun is for me, case closed.

@arcellgreen4754 Год назад

I saw that video the guy with ar15 thought the store was an easy target but once he found out about the shorty he left running and screaming

@fernandoamadojr3824 Год назад

Been waiting for this break down for a while. Thanks for the knowledge

@timshelley8635 Год назад

Great video! Nice to see you together on the same video again. I have both, but prefer the pump for home defense.

@timshelley8635 Год назад

Remington 870 used to be the stuff, but lately Mossberg has passed them by

@DesertHusker Год назад

I have a Maverick 88 12 gauge pump and it will eat whatever I feed it. $200 bargain for 🏡 protection.

@josephmedeiros5770 Год назад

Team pump as I've been shooting since my teens. 40 years of Remington 870 I can cycle them faster than most semi-autos. Although I have several semi's and love them too.

@bluebeastsrt Год назад

No you can’t.

@castle228 Год назад

First time viewer. Fantastic content! Definitely subscribing to the channel!

@googlechicken Год назад

Why don’t you just go right up and touch it for Christ sake

@TheDrock427 Год назад

500 Mosberg is my go-to shotgun !!!

@jaysoncolbert6187 Год назад

I spent some time in prison, I realized I enjoy the pump shotgun more because it reminds me of my time with Big Dale, my cell mate, and how we helped each other when feeling too randy.

@michaelvoorhees5978 Год назад

My saiga 12 stock with the mdarms gas plug runs everything flawlessly. My ksg is still the best though!!! That thing is the perfect home gun

@Nickrioblanco1 Год назад

You forgot to talk about the short stroking problem with pump shotguns, which can happen especially to less experienced (or trained) and/or stressed shooters. But the advice about situation assessment was excellent.

@SpartanONegative Год назад

I got a high end 308 from my local shop. The owner took it and replaced all the springs and upped the final ptice by almost a grand. Better parts than from the manufacturer. My first gun i bought from him was a Mossberg 930 🤠 its my favorite gun.

@EchoSigma6 Год назад

I started with a used Benelli M1 and later bought a Mossberg 590. I took two-two day shotgun courses with each type. I concluded that the pump was better for me especially with low recoil 00 & slugs.

@rob6850 Год назад

At least one of each, yes please.

@AdamosDad Год назад

I only have 3 shotguns, I mostly am a rifle and handgun guy, but I have a KSG, a M590 and a Mosberg 930 Tactical with breacher. I only have 12ga 00Buck and slugs.

@erroneous6947 Год назад

Never had any issues with a 5 rd saiga mag, have several. My 12 rd drum didn’t run reliably till I took sandpaper to the inside and used graphite. All run reliably. I understand saiga’s can be hit and miss. Mine must have been built on a Wednesday.

@hummerzdca Год назад

Ha! You guys are very comprehensive on all your posts. Great teamwork! I think I have all the bases covered for my home defense. Multiple 9mm pistols, a Saint Victor AR-15, a Benelli Super Nova 12g, a Winchester 870 20g. And an M&M AR 15 22! Prefer the pistols, for versatility, followed up by the Super Nova. With consideration for over penetration game loaded, instead of the 12g Winchester Defender! Thanks for the posts!

@larrybeverly4177 Год назад

In my experience the best shotgun is the one the person is the most comfortable and confident in using.

@stevenscoggin7441 Год назад

I agree with the assessment comments. You wouldn't want to hit a gas line or electrical line that could lead to a fire. I would say that also ties to your comments about choice of round as well

@shmoist802 Год назад

What about lever action shotguns? My grandpa had one and it was the first time I ever shot a gun and honestly it was kinda nice.

@mikedanaher3413 Год назад

There is a ton of inexpensive tactical shotguns on the market in pump action right now. I’m a believer in what works and fits your personal needs and budget. I think it’s hard to beat a old mossberg 500 or a 870 Remington with a short smooth bore slug barrel. Time tested and proven. In these troubling times more weapons is always better than less.

@larrynason8716 Год назад

I like the idea of being able to fire any ammo I could find.Therefore I lean toward a pump.All the shotguns I own are break action! I guess I need to rectify that situation immediately.

@larrynason8716 Год назад

@stan d. upnow "Buy a shotgun"

@texpatriot8462 Год назад

I switched to semi auto after I concluded that I could not work the action under pressure more reliably than my SA does. Plus, less recoil with heavy buckshot loads.

@12monkey57 Год назад

Just picked up a marine sxp used for $200. It’s fantastic! Couldn’t pass it up

@raykettel1837 Год назад

I considered buying a new Marine SXP for $320 - $50 rebate from Bass Pro/ Cabella's last week but decided I really did not need another shotgun as I already have a SX4 with 28" barrel and I just bought a 22" FN barrel for it. I also discovered at the gun store counter that the bump action aggravates an injury from 20-some years ago in my elbow. Just another reason to try out first before buying if one can.

@BOSZAY Год назад

You guys should do a video on a convertible, auto and pump. I almost bought one 2005, South Carolina.

@nateh2652 Год назад

They did showcase the benelli m3 in here

@raider762 Год назад

Never really been a fan of shotguns, but I know a little bit on how to use them.

@slik560 10 месяцев назад

Not a shotgun owner yet- still flipping the pump / semi coin, but you’re videos are invaluable. Just straight, experience-based info. As an aging boomer, the semi is very appealing.

@bcamp6088 Год назад

A shotgun is great but I definitely fall into the nothing is better than a rifle category. Range, capacity and stopping power

@AV-nl9gc Год назад

Or trenches >:)

@samyheadshot Год назад

@@AV-nl9gc zats where ze Gas comes into play

@gameragodzilla Год назад

Shotguns loaded with buckshot has far better stopping power than rifles, and practical capacity within effective ranges is similar due to that. I may have 3 to 5 times the ammo in an AR-15 vs. a shotgun, but if it takes me 3 to 5 rounds to guarantee an effective stop while it takes me only 1 shot with a shotgun, it evens out. Range is the main critical weakness of a shotgun and why it can never be a primary battlefield weapon. But within home defense where I’m guaranteed to be in close quarters, that downside is completely irrelevant.

@AV-nl9gc Год назад

@@samyheadshot *just war crime season tings*

@mikepraed4623 Год назад

My Remington 870 Turkey gun with 3 1/2" mags is the biggest kicking gun I've ever fired! 😬

@mr.velocitystack4133 Год назад

@Iraqveteran8888 I've never heard y"all give mention to the 12 gauge mini shells as a home defense round; maybe for good reason. OPSol makes a Mini-Clip insert for many of the Mossberg models, which allows usage of the mini shells. I'd like to see you do a review on them. Great Gun Gripe video; I thoroughly enjoyed it!

@swayback7375 Год назад

Me too, as much as I like them it seems the consensus is that they aren’t worth it. In an exchange with a shotgun there’s usually only 1-2 rounds fired, so the extra shots don’t help so why sacrifice ballistics for capacity. It’s valid but the opposite may be true too, if 1 or 2 mini shells will do the job just as well, why overkill? There is also the chance you have multiple targets, having more shots is always better under stress, especially if the round is adequate… I’m not sure anyone can definitively answer the question. One solution would be more manufacturers making higher quality minis with advanced powder, shot or slugs, flight control wad, buffer powder etc. I’m quite sure minis could have ballistics that are 80% as good as an average 2 3/4

@toddk1377 Год назад

The mini shells are just too unreliable in most shotguns. If ammo count is that important, then either use a mag fed shotgun, or learn how load faster and how to port load quickly from a side saddle on the receiver. Plus the mini shells just don't perform all that well, Paul Harrell did a video on them and those shells were not impressive enough to chance the reliability of the shotgun.

@mr.velocitystack4133 Год назад

@@toddk1377 I appreciate the mention of Paul Harrell's videos, which were very nice and informative. I also have the shorties too, just not in slugs, cause I'm not wanting to kill the neighbors in a home defense situation. I've never had a hiccup with my 590 Shockwave (bedside) or Maverick 88 Persuader (backup); both purchased just for interior home defense. My Winchester Defender is on hand for outdoor defense situations. Everything has its own place and I'm okay running them with gear of choice and home layout. You have great points by the way. Thanks again for sharing, cause learning is what it's all about.

@jasoncastle4818 Год назад

Paul Harrell covered the subject of the mini shells, check him out.