Gun Gripes Episode 91: "Guns and Class Struggle"

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In this Gripe, we touch on a subject not talked about often to our knowledge: The economic class struggle as it related to firearms. Much like any other commodity, the type of guns typically purchased by people is in direct relation to their place on the social ladder. If you are middle class, you are most likely not going to own a $100,000 dollar car. You are also no likely to ever purchase a $100,000 transferable machine gun either. You are most likely to purchase $1,000 rifle at some point. This is just one example, hopefully we touched on the subject well as we have come to understand the link between guns and social class. Stay tuned for more!
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@WillMoon 10 лет назад

When I was working on my undergrad in history, I studied a LOT of medieval European history. Feudal society basically grew up to protect people from external threats, prior to the development of Feudal lordship there was the Roman Empire, and after that fell in the west, a lot of people became suceptable to raids from the Vikings, and in the east the Byzantines couldn't protect people from the Huns and other raiders. Feudal lords were basically just warlords who demanded fealty in exchange for protection, and over time, as the Viking and Hun (and other raiding groups) raids ramped down, those feudal lords realized that they'd be unnessisary if people could defend themselves, so they created a monopoly on force. This kept these people in a position of perpetual power... and still keeps them there. That's why any man who wants to take away your right to the use of force is evil, because they want to perpetuate their power over you and make you beholden to their ability to utilize weapons.

@TTplinker 10 лет назад

AND he makes kick-ass knives, Mr. Will Moon ladies and gentlemen!

@WillMoon 10 лет назад

Awww shucks... thanks man, I do appreciate the complement :)

@GrottyWanker69 10 лет назад

I was about to make a post along these exact same lines. Damn Mr. Moon beat me to it. On an interesting note. Norsemen were required to keep weapons, for defense of themselves, but also their Jarls and lands.

@420aliendon 10 лет назад

Makes awesome knives and knows his history too, kick ass! Maybe some day I could work my way to purchasing a knife by you but for now I'm in the zt, Benchmade , Coldsteel range but that what makes this country great , if you have a dream and work hard you can get their.

@edhiebert7949 10 лет назад

And lots of weak willed people will line up to help keep the warlords in power, and themselves in chains.

@deceptivepanther 10 лет назад

People commenting on how many were actually required to train with a longbow in medieval England are missing the point. Eric and Chad are correct. Look at the introduction of the crossbow. It allowed an untrained poor person to engage a wealthy armoured nobleman in combat. So they banned it.

@darkblood626 10 лет назад

You saved me the effort of typing basically the same point. Thanks.

@deceptivepanther 10 лет назад

darkblood626 Cheers.

@HappisakVideos 10 лет назад

Its funny. here in the UK we are seen as the quintessential example of the class system. (Much of which is exaggerated) Yet as this video demonstrates, class struggle is everywhere. In fact i think it has changed in this global age. It's the global political elite and those people who preserve it and everyone else. I also agree, gun culture, is part of what makes America who it is. We non US people have no right to tell you what to do. I totally agree with that. It's basic respect.

@theallmightychad 10 лет назад

Much obliged to you good sir, from across the pond.

@HappisakVideos 10 лет назад

theallmightychad No problem at all sir! :)

@chrisloUSA 10 лет назад

That's great, most Europeans are highly critical of Americans owning firearms. I think they're fools for allowing themselves to become subjects of their governments.

@feralbigdog 9 лет назад

"We non US people have no right to tell you what to do. I totally agree with that. It's basic respect." you, sir, have just shown a great deal more common sense than even our politicians!

@HappisakVideos 9 лет назад

feralbigdog Thank you ! :)

@pointly 10 лет назад

I have a story on class that happened to me. My dad has some co-workers that are also gun owners. They all came over to my Dad's place for a BBQ and I drop by to visit and have a good time. We get to talking about guns with my dad's coworker and how I just got my SD9VE from Smith & Wesson and how I love the pistol. Well one guy starts talking shit about it and that I should have bought this expensive as hell Kimber 1911. I'd love a Kimber 1911 but I could not afford it. He goes to his truck and brings his Kimber over and claims it to be a man's gun. It was nice looking and I would love to have it but he start bragging about it and I said, "Let's shoot it against my SD9. He laughed and said he did not want to embarrass me. I called him a pussy and that got him to agree to it. Went to the gun range and we fired it and such and he still talked shit up until we went to the targets and saw my grouping was much smaller and closer together than his and how his was all over the paper. Also I told him my pistol held 15 rounds and his 7. The icing on the cake was when he dropped the 1911 and the sites snapped off and I've dropped my SD9 and not even a scratch. An expensive gun with all the latest swag doesn't make you a good shooter. Spending time at the range does. His money went towards looks while mine went towards ammo.

@madhatter01231982 10 лет назад

never been impressed by the 1911s all decked out. to me they are more show pieces. i would rather have simple RI 1911 to use as a work horse side arm and not be afraid to drop it. btw ive owned an sd9ve and in my opinion you get more than what you pay for with that pistol.

@Toolness1 10 лет назад

Awesome story, hope the guy learned an important lesson that day! My friend recently bought a Tisas 9mm 1911. Very affordable 1911, priced down with RIA (which are also nice). My friend does 3 gun competition and was smoking guys with $1500 custom target model pistols with fancy sights, flared mag wells, trigger jobs, etc. All with a gun that cost him 380 bucks or so shipped, and this was in "out of the box" condition, no upgrades whatsoever. A similar story, I bought my dad a Polish P64. My dad likes to test his reloads by shooting off a bench with a pistol rest @ 25 yards. He shot several of his pistols that day, including a very expensive custom 1911, a Walther P99, a CZ 75, and a couple others. The best group of the day was with his little Polish P64 9x18 with cast bullet reloads. It cost 200 bucks shipped.

@hamschh 5 лет назад

SD9VE is a better performance weapon than any fancy 1911

@mtslyh 10 лет назад

Early Gun/Class Struggle Example: "Saturday Night Special" laws that were against poor or black people. From Wikipedia: "The earliest law prohibiting inexpensive handguns was enacted in Tennessee, in the form of the "Army and Navy Law," passed in 1879, shortly after the 14th amendment and Civil Rights Act of 1875; previous laws invalidated by the constitutional amendment had stated that black freedmen could not own or carry any manner of firearm. The Army and Navy Law prohibited the sale of "belt or pocket pistols, or revolvers, or any other kind of pistols, except army or navy pistols," which were prohibitively expensive for black freedmen and poor whites to purchase.[10] These were large pistols in .36 caliber ("navy") or .44 caliber ("army"), and were the military issue cap and ball black-powder revolvers used during the Civil War by both Union and Confederate ground troops. The effect of the law was to restrict handgun possession to the upper economic classes.[11]

@purplemutantas 10 лет назад

You beat me to it. I just posted a comment mentioning the army and navy laws.

@daltonvickers7977 10 лет назад

I still shoot a bolt action 22 that I bought with paper route money when I was 9 years old. My dad said he would get it for me if I took a safety course at the base gun range held by the NRA. It is a sears 22 that still shoots so accurately it is scary. My son can not wait for it to be his.

@lauriestlyon8773 10 лет назад

Dalton you make sure he gets the INNACURATE one! That way there is less chance of him trying to speed up the inheritance! LOL!

@daltonvickers7977 10 лет назад

I shoulda thought about that. Thank God that 22 ammo is so hard to get

@lauriestlyon8773 10 лет назад

dalton vickers LOL! Good hunting my friend.

@daltonvickers7977 9 лет назад

Laurie St Lyon Thank you very much

@WilliamJones-pl2hx 9 лет назад

dalton vickers My father taught me on his model 60 up until I was 9-10 and he finally bought me my first rifle (next to a vast array of BB guns) And christmas I opened up a present and pulling back the paper I spied the cowboy, another tear and there it was. The Henry Repeating Arms Company. opened the box and my first .22, Still have it and plan to teach my son and buy them theirs. But my dads Model 60 still stays near and dear.

@bogo1992 10 лет назад

The firearm is humanity's great equalizer.

@firesteel1 10 лет назад

Really interesting video. Here in the UK owning a gun (shotgun or rifle) is seen as a very upper class pursuit due to the expense and difficulty getting a licence.

@MrTRUCID0 9 лет назад

That is hard to imagine. I have a license to carry a handgun that is recognized in 30 something states. The fee was 50 dollars I think.

@nevahenuf 10 лет назад

Awww…cute story about little Eric meeting Barry the first time. Could tell there was a little waver in Eric's voice.

@256unknown 10 лет назад

I loved it when he said he was young and wanted a safe full of guns. Because I am 22 and I have a safe full of guns

@ZKMGking 10 лет назад

did you buy them all

@256unknown 10 лет назад

Yes I did

@ssspencerjr 10 лет назад

Rock on man.

@Senormojado75 7 лет назад

You guys are awesome, I live in CA and you guys are right we have some of the most ass backwards gun laws ever created. But I will say that I stumbled upon a great little gun store and the owner is a very nice man who agrees that gun ownership is very important and knew I didn't have much money and worked out a layaway plan for me and held my .357 for 4 months until I was able to pay it off. As time has gone by I've avoided bigger gun stores and even better prices to make sure his gun store continues to stay open. Now my son is looking for his first gun, and is going to buy a 20 gauge semi auto from him. I am also teaching my daughters the importance of firearms and I know I'm not alone out here in CA we do have many responsible gun owners who support the 2nd amendment. Thank you guys for all of your videos, I've gained so much information and have taken so much of your advice. You will continue to have my support and that of my son. Keep up the great work. #FirearmsArentEvil #SupportThe2nd #WeAllHaveTheRightToProtectOurselves

@ONLY_FXRS 10 лет назад

I live in California. Our "roster" of approved handguns is unconstitutional. We've had "sse" single shot exemption so it's easy to still get any off roster pistol. January 1st that goes away. Governor jerry brown passed a law to get rid of sse so after jan. 1st it's back to the list of "approved" pistols. SO LAME!!!

@purplemutantas 10 лет назад

Has anyone tried to take this to court? The only reason the politicians in this state pass such stupid laws is because we let them. I haven't gotten around to registering to vote in this state since I moved back. I need to get on that.

@OpTicBossaru 10 лет назад

purplemutantas You were OUT of California then came BACK? You're beyond saving.

@ONLY_FXRS 10 лет назад

Yes. The great people over at the calguns foundation have and are in lawsuits with California over these unconstitutional laws. They just got the 10 day waiting period overturned "to a extent" starting next year. It's hard when were outnumbered 10 to 1 by commie liberals who are gun snatchers. I'll just keep buying the firearms I can and stocking ammo. Sucks when you feel like a 1 man army and your fighting with your back turned! Come on Californians, get your shit together, stand up and fight these people for your rights! Not just 2a but all our rights!!!

@ROCKMASTER-G 10 лет назад

Tyler Ford ..so true

@SuperBluntedone 10 лет назад

***** Yup no more private party transfer anymore without a background check.....Hella lame!

@custardslastcake123 10 лет назад

welcome to present day uk

@Brett235 2 года назад

I know this video is 7 years old but the message still applies today. I have noticed that some gun owners try to be in a certain group or click so they buy certain brands to be in a certain social status. If it wasn't for credit cards or bank loans some people wouldn't be able to afford those firearms. I personally will not put a firearm on credit. I certainly could but it's not that important to me and I find it more satisfying to save up for the gun I want and when I get it I tend to appreciate it more.

@Steve_G88 10 лет назад

Anyone who bashes someone for shooting a cheaper or discount brand gun. Isn't a real gun person and should be shunned by everyone in the community.

@oozylorddelvin 10 лет назад

I think one thing that you all left out is like with many items....starting at the lower end of the scale gives you that much more appreciation for the higher quality items. when you start off with high end you don't even know what it means it just is. when you start out at base point and you learn an item inside and out and then you grow to a better item you know and appreciate the difference.

@johnwhite9374 10 лет назад

one thing i noticed lacking in the discussion was the fact that many of the upper class can afford to pay for their own bodyguards who with the way security contractors are treated today can actually carry newer full auto weapons. admittedly very few private contractors have access to them here in the US but they still have it

@combatjm89 10 лет назад

I think the best example of "class struggle" in the gun community is in Class III firearms. The $200 is no longer a burden (thanks to inflation), but the price of the weapons is insane due to restrictive laws. And collectors are of course resistant to changing the law as they'd lose money on their investment, and their deep pockets control the pro-gun lobby. I remember hearing that we allowed each Iraqi household one AK-47 for home protection.

@BlackWolf18C 10 лет назад

Yeah, when the $200 tax became a reasonable amount of money they closed the machine gun registry with the stated purpose of drying up the supply of machine guns to the public. The Hughes Amendment was the biggest infringement on the Right of the People to keep and bear Arms in the history of this nation and should have been deemed unconstitutional a long time ago.

@brentonadams8803 10 лет назад

Ive heard some Title II collectors say they would gladly lose some of the value if they could add new ones to their collection. Just what Ive heard.

@BlackWolf18C 10 лет назад

brenton adams Some of them are true gun guys who would see the NFA repealed, some are investors who just like shooting who would fight to keep it. Both camps exist and I've met both kinds of guys while I was at a couple (not very big) MG shoots. Although, in my personal experience, more are the repeal it type anymore and they tell me it used to be the other way around. They're just not seeing the ROI they thought they would get after so long or stopped wanting to sell them.

@brentonadams8803 10 лет назад

What I recommend, and this came up on another video I saw about the NFA, is making sure people know about it. Many gun owners have no idea about any part of the NFA. We need to make it an issue people are talking about. Like the explosion in suppressor sales over the last few years. We need to make NFA an issue. Its been 80 years, and thirty years since Hughes. We need to bring it up again.

@InsertEvilLaugh 10 лет назад

brenton adams That would be awesome, though, I will admit, if I dropped $60,000 on a gun, and suddenly one day the price of it dropped to under $10,000 I might be a little miffed, but that's if I was looking at it purely as an investment. Still it wasn't right for the Hughes Amendment to be implemented and forced upon the FOPA of 1986, it should be removed and immediately but it isn't going to be easy to do so.

@GunFunZS 10 лет назад

I was watching Tombstone again the other day. The basic plot is that there is a marauding gang that is regularly robbing, randomly shooting, and harrassing the generall citizenry. So the "good guy" and his buddies (some of whom are shown committing a robbery too) gets a badge and starts by disarming the honest citizen and deciding that it isn't worth using the law to disarm the known criminal. -Because that would start a confrontation. A confrontation happened anyway, and several of the disarmed public were killed in the crossfire. I know the show wasn't historically exact, but the general points were what happened and is happening now.

@silverstreaksgarage7370 10 лет назад

This is a great topic. I'd like to add that most people who look down their noses at some of the guns you mentioned (the Mosin Nagant in particular) really have no idea what they are talking about in the first place. I didn't get to start my gun collection until I was about 40, and then it was the guns I inherited from my dad and grandfather. I somehow tripped across a Mosin Nagant topic on a forum somewhere, and my first thought was, how can a $99 gun be taken seriously? After some research and watching some videos, some of yours were in there, I was sold. I went to our local great pawn shop here in Oklahoma City and picked up my first 91/30 hex receiver. I've since added about 5 more to the collection, and in a SHTF situation, you can bet your a$$ I'll be bringing a couple of those along. Great video guys, keep up the good work.

@MGSwift 10 лет назад

a gun is a gun if you can shoot it respect it no mater what kind of gun it is respect it

@tombartlett5642 10 лет назад

Nerf gun?

@มัลคอล์ม 10 лет назад

The ducks are coming RESPECT IT!!

@calebwhittington3749 10 лет назад

Better yet, respect the people with the guns.

@1WaterFire 10 лет назад

Caleb Whittington An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life.

@CUSTERM16A2 10 лет назад

A toy gun yes but I would hooe parents would have enough sense to tell their kids not poke out their eyes or shoot sticky darts at passing cars.

@lerch400block 10 лет назад

Hey Chad and Eric. Y'all want to go fishing on Toledo bend October 24-26? It'll be awesome.

@Squirrelchu1 10 лет назад

I enjoy my hi-point .45 :P

@sportscarman5 10 лет назад

It didn't just happen in Europe. I have studied and trained in traditional Japanese martial arts and a lot of the weapons used in those fighting styles originated as farming tools because they too were banned from owning weapons, or it was too cost prohibitive. The Tonfa, which the modern day police baton is modeled after, was originally a handle to a well or part of a crutch. The Kama, a bladed weapon with short handle very similar to a sickle, was originally used to harvest rice. And the Eku was a weapon derived from an oar. It was used primary by peasants who could not afford expensive bladed weaponry. So most cultures today that prohibit firearms have a long history of disarming their citizens.

@charlesrs 10 лет назад

That rifle hanging on the wall of the working-class flat or labourer’s cottage is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays there......George Orwell

@rblank1234 10 лет назад

By far the best gun vídeos I've ever seen. We, here in Brazil, are being ataccked by dictatorialship and comunist (yes, i said comunist, crazy brazylian still suport the slavery of Cuba and old USSR), hopefully, this will help people to see the regular man not as the bad guy.

@SupaFlyFatGuy859 10 лет назад

I think the thing about there would be a gun behind every blade of grass should be something we are PROUD of still today!

@erniewalden3050 2 года назад

Nect time i hooe they say theres 3 guns behind every blade of grass. Because all gun owners know most pro gun americans have more than just 1 gun hahaha

@stupidasso77 10 лет назад

The melting test is actually from the NFA of 1968. The goal was to try and get the cheap short barreled "satruday night special" pistols banned. There was also an accuracy standard placed on pistols with a barrel length of 3.5" or less.

@Kosmos. 10 лет назад

I'm 15 and got my first gun a few months ago for my birthday a Ruger 10/22 I can't wait till I have a safe full of guns 😁

@mattschmitt9924 3 года назад

How's that safe looking now, friend?

@franktheweinerburke 10 лет назад

I was thinking this was going to be about select fire guns selling for orders of magnitude more than they should, not due to demand or market forces but regulations. As far as cheap guns, most of the people who hate hi points are the same people who have a kimber that "fails to fire," "fails to feed," and "fails to eject"... But it's never malfunctioned. Grab a hi point and a Norinco 870, for $300 you've got a pistol and long gun that will do what guns are supposed to do. Throw in a PAP M92 if you want a rifle, and for under a grand including a fair amount of ammo and some mags you've got 3 solidly performing guns. A hi point may not be the best gun in the world, but it's infinitely better than the Glock/Sig/Wilson Combat/HK/MasterBlaster5000 that you haven't bought.

@doublel7337 10 лет назад

I own a Kimber Custom Gold Match, a couple Glocks, a Sig 229, and a new HK VP9, but I also own a Kel Tec P11, an FIE single six 22, and Marlin model 60. I had to sell all my guns, but one 25 years ago because of financial reasons, so I don't put anyone or what they own down. I do however try to let new buyers know there are better low cost options out there. I have bought two Ruger P95's this year for $250 each. These are great guns that will last a lifetime.

@jboz3a 10 лет назад

Ughhh I live here in California and believe me its worse than you think.

@MasterVideoStudios 10 лет назад

California needs liberating.

@ChristianGames316 10 лет назад

I'm with you bro. That feel when we can't buy Canik 55 TP9's because of California being under siege.

@CrescoLibertas1 10 лет назад

Eric, here's an idea for a gun gripe: Gun shops with "No concealed carry" signs. WTF!? Considering pro-gunners rightly point out how gun free zones are open invitations for criminals and criminals do not obey gun laws, and the many other bumper sticker slogans we see, hear and use, and assuming most gun shop/range owners are actually pro-gunners, the logic escapes me why almost any gun shop or range I go to has a sign on their front door stating "No loaded firearms" or "No concealed carry", etc. Now, I understand there are people who are careless, unsafe and even stupid, with their firearms (like the guy who pulls out his concealed carry to show off his gun in the gun shop or range), but there has to be a better way than restricting the responsible gun owners from carrying in the places that makes the most sense for us, the places we should be most welcome carrying, in the places where are most apt to be surrounded my like-minded individuals -- our local gun shops and ranges.

@Savagegent19 10 лет назад

I've had a couple of guys who looked down on a couple of purchases I've made like the wasr 1063 that I've customized over 700 rds with no issues I was given the dirtiest look and how their arsenal was sooooo much better than my set up. I also have a FEG. Hi power clone; accurate and reliable with 500 rds put thru it and I had the big name hi power guru tell me I should just throw it in the trash and I shouldn't have bothered him with asking about heinie sights being installed

@jasondurant4147 10 лет назад

hey mna. I was the one who called you about the mosin ammo i bought i thought went to my nagant last week, lol. whats up man. just want to say you guys are awesome.

@ofmanyfaces4436 10 лет назад

I love you folks. Keep doing your thing!

@mikegryncewicz 10 лет назад

Great video gentlemen! Treat everyone with respect no matter what they carry.

@bostonceltics727 10 лет назад

WE WANT A SHOP TOUR

@mr.winchester9793 8 лет назад

yeah, California is hard on gun owners... I commented some about this on your open carry Texas video, but it is pertinent to this topic as well... with a cost of a ccw around $400, plus the cost of a firearm which you must own before applying, it gets prohibitively expensive. I just found out today that after I get approved by my sheriff, it takes the CA DOJ roughly 4 months to complete it's approval... so in total you look at almost a year to from start to finish in my area... I heard from the sheriff that in my neighboring county it's getting close to 2 years... Yikes! but on the plus side I was able to pick up a cool Polish P64 for just over 200 bucks... cool... of course in California you have to pay to pass a firearms safety exam, $30, plus another $30 for the state background check, and sales tax etc... so yeah, to legally own firearms in California you have to be ready to put up funds...

@Hill_Billy_Without_A_Hill 10 лет назад

I want to see them do a AR-15 build, the goal is to make the ultimate AR-15 mutt and keep $700-1000. I know there are ARs selling already at this price point ,but are they using the best parts for the money to make the most you can get quality wise ad still be in the price goal. It needs to be functional not over doing it with mods, but still using good parts with a good reason each part is chosen. Im kind of liking the RF85, Anderson arms is using. There is just so much AR stuff out there to choose from and it becomes a headache.

@Daoldhead51 10 лет назад

Great vid as always. This touched home because I wanted to place a gun on layaway recently and received the cold shoulder because I didn't have the money to buy it flat out.

@AndreaANDSheldon 10 лет назад

I chuckled when u brought up Johnny Cash one peace at a time that's how I got my ar15 bought a lot of the little parts over time and put it all together

@willie_brydon 10 лет назад

actually, in England during medieval times, citizens were required to have some kind of weapon in their household, although most people weren't able to buy a good sword, but most had some kind of dagger or spear. that said i agree with most of what you guys said about the present day :)

@holidayhouse03 10 лет назад

there should be at least one place on this planet where a private citizen can own a firearm...one place where freedom reigns...and that place is America...like it or not that's the way it is...and thank God for that...now if we can just get D.C. to leave us alone we'd be in there...LET FREEDOM REIGN

@greywolfarmory7336 10 лет назад

Good Point... Add licensing to that discussion. e.g. average cost for a conceal carry license in Florida (class and license fee) is $225... In Illinois the cost averages over $1000.

@DwP820 10 лет назад

That's really unfair, in Kentucky its 65 dollars.

@johnscherer6419 10 лет назад

Here in Kentucky, don't bet against the country guy who shows up with the well worn weapon! They take the Kentucky windage into account and outshoot the city guy with the safe queen!

@lucky43113 10 лет назад

when you finally save up enough to get something you really want you appreciate it a lot more than those that just buy it casually

@pointly 10 лет назад

I have a college friend, awesome guy that I would take a bullet for, but I'm jealous because he just bought an VZ 56, CZ 75b police, Sig P290, and even a Mosin Nagant. This guy still lives with his folks and works at a gun shop while I work at a retail store and live on my own. All I have is a Type 53 and SD9VE. It just seems life is being unfair to me when I'm the more passionate gun owner and he's more the Tech Savvy gun owner. He lets me shoot his guns though but I found that I'm the one that does months of research while he buys a gun as soon as he gets a paycheck. He's lucky to not be paying rent and living with his parents and such. I'm living on my own and I'm still making it but I have a reliable pistol to home defense and rifle for plinking. I'm pretty happy but man I would love to have more. Can't wait till I finish college. Maybe I can get that WASR 10.

@brandondover6551 9 лет назад

Scotsmen used to train throwing rocks and hid their swords in barn lofts because the English banned weapons. Also in feudal Japan nicer weapons like Samurai swords were used by the upper class and the lower class Ninja used simpler tools like the tanto and nunchucks that were derived from farm tools.

@rednecksniper4715 8 лет назад

A local pawn shop where I live has 40 or so M57 Tokarev's for $179.99 I just bought mine 4 days ago I carry it every day I love that gun for that price it sure beats a hi point and personally I prefer the Tokarev to a Glock because simply its all steel and more durable and I like owning pieces of history.

@themanwiththekx 8 лет назад

+Scott Selsing I did some math and found it hard to believe, 250000 rounds would take almost three days to shoot if you fired a round every second.

@scottselsing8596 8 лет назад

themanwiththekx first of all it was over a decade and it had well over 250,000 the guy wrote a book on it. i don't remember what it was called but, he sent out to prove springfield XD was just as good or even better than glock. so he bought a glock he shot the damn thing alot then he had his firearms class students shoot it. now i know u r just trying to make me out to be a liar saying it was all in one day. and it wasn't. if u looked it up on google or sumthing im sure it would pop up. glock shoots over 250,000 rounds with no failure or any replacement parts...

@scottselsing8596 8 лет назад

themanwiththekx the book is called clash of the titans... look into it im am not shitting u 250,000 rounds with out a single fail. and the author was trying to disprove how reliable it was

@rednecksniper4715 8 лет назад

I'm not saying the glock is a bad option it's one of the best but its not a one size fits all personally I prefer metal to polymer and I prefer the feel of the tokarev over the glock and the tokarev is much skinner and more powerful than the 9mm glock counterpart when compared to a tokarev in 7.62x25

@WStar4Life 8 лет назад

+Scott Selsing I'm sure there were some failures. The odds that a glock shot 250,000 rounds without a single failure are probably astronomical lol

@DavePierceJr 10 лет назад

I have a 9mm Hi Point ,Ruger sr9 , S&W 38 special , M&P 15 ! I'll trust my life to any! I'm not a snob to any gun!

@desederis 10 лет назад

some of us in the northern counties of California are tired of our gun rights being infringed upon and are trying to secede form California. we are calling it the state of jefferson please support us on this noble venture

@hawkboy1792 10 лет назад

You know, I love gun gripes, and as much as I love everything you guys do, I think the gun gripes with you and barry were the best. You had better chemistry with barry even than you do with chad. I miss him ;_;

@270Remi 10 лет назад

In Switzerland almost every law abiding citizen over 18 is armed with a semiautomatic rifle after high school and basic training. They also have way less crime then most "first world" countries.

@srspower 10 лет назад

To be fair it was probably the US dropping a couple of nukes on them that got the civilians in Japan scared ...

@1WaterFire 10 лет назад

I think it was the second nuke more specifically, seems the reaction to the first was more of "I bet you can't do it again".

@JohnoO_O_ 10 лет назад

So prior to this why were civilians on Okinawa committing mass suicide?

@andrew-ripley1747 10 лет назад

+srspower I knew this would come up again... don't continue unless you want a history lesson. Sentimentalism does not replace logic.

@jaredanthony8070 10 лет назад

John S the reason why Japanese would commit suicide when us military would come to them is because the Japanese govt would tell the citizens that us soldiers were complete animals and would eat or rape and pillage or whatever like N.Korea is sometimes saying so they would rather kill themselves then deal with us soldiers

10 лет назад

Jared Anthony Suicide was the honorable way out. Just like Banzai charges. It's not that they saw the US as animals it's the fact that they would rather die by their own hands then by someone else.

@SixtyFiveDropTop 10 лет назад

Perhaps the California temperature restriction has to do with three dimensionally printed guns. Less accurate, less effective, but still works.

@Iboo30 10 лет назад

That doesn´t make sense, because these are meant to be actually printed by the individuals or somebody who´s got a 3d printer, not bought off a shelf ...

@redneckguitarist3143 10 лет назад

I saw a display of rudeness early this week on a local gun "buy/sell/trade" page. A younger man was in search of a cheaper beginners pistol in the $300 range. He had posted some pictures of a couple bicycles and a decent dirt bike for trade. Instead of offering the guy some deals or even suggestions, many "respected" members immediately began being simply ugly for trying to get started in the pistol realm of the gun industry. I lost a lot of respect for my local gun community right then.

@Frosti1icus 10 лет назад

This is very prevalent in my state of Illinois if you want to cc. They require 16 hours of training which is $250, then its $150 for the permit and if you want it in less than 4 months you need to spend $50 for finger prints. This does not even include the cost of a gun! A poor person in Illinois can not cc.

@cs2005lp 10 лет назад

At the I go to the long range is dominated by high priced shooters, 338's and 5K plus rifles. People who are "certified" get priority. If I want to shoot I have to go on a rainy day. I asked how you get "certified" and they asked what do you shoot? So there is a kind of class system.

@BigSurJay 8 лет назад

As a gunsmith I get to meet a lot of different firearm owners. From the tactical or competition shooter to the bird hunter. I love what I do for a living, I get to work on a variety of firearms, but getting to know my customers is almost as interesting. There is a huge variety of firearms and firearm owners. Do I have a bias? Sure I do. But I've learned that what I like isn't what everybody else likes.

@permutatechguy 10 лет назад

can we get a gun gripes about the debate between practical accuracy vs accuracy and how folks complain about a gun that doesnt group at 1 moa or less.

@pac6010 10 лет назад

Is that really even a debate ? Who complains about guns not begin accurate enough for general use ? Unless its a target rifle its all user preference.

@SkullAngel002 10 лет назад

Hi Eric and Chad! Love y'all's Gun Gripes and videos! Quick question, what kind of camera and (applicable) shotgun microphones/lapel mics setup do you guys use when you shoot your videos?

@SuperMarshall2009 10 лет назад

Guns are the great equalizer. a gun makes the poorest man as free as the richest man. There is one thing that protects the pooresst man as well as the richest man, but notice some people like Bloomberg have guns for their protection but against poorer people havng them.

@DirtRider500R 10 лет назад

Good video! I feel that this topic idea can apply to other things as well; i.e Cars, Motorcycles, etc.

@krysistheabyss 10 лет назад

Dirtrider!

@DirtRider500R 10 лет назад

Christian Garcia Oh hey :D

@krysistheabyss 10 лет назад

How's your back?

@DirtRider500R 10 лет назад

Christian Garcia It's doing quite well!

@uuuultra 10 лет назад

hey

@teatowel11 7 лет назад

I know this is an old video but I thought I would echo what you guys are saying. Firearm regulation disproportionately prevents working class and poor people from owning firearms. I live in Australia and to gain a firearms licence will cost over $100, to register a firearm is an additional fee. You must prove you own an approved gun safe which adds another cost. Now to even be elegance to apply for a gun licence you have to either have an occupational reason or be a sports shooter or apply for a recreational licence. To qualify as a sport shooter you have to be a member of a shooting organisation. If you are a primary producer or a recreational shooter (hunter) you need to own more than 40 actress of land or have permission to shoot on someone else's land. This is all for long guns, if you want a hand gun it's even harder and more expensive. Not to mention that the laws basically prevent firearms being used for self defence. The rich on the other hand can hire armed security and feel safe and secure.

@smolsnek3835 7 лет назад

that sounds horrible

@samcarpenter5097 10 лет назад

I'm 17 and my friends think I'm crazy because I don't even have a car yet because all my money goes to buying new guns haha.

@SteveHolsten 10 лет назад

Please keep these coming guys! I greatly appreciate you guys' time invested & hard work.

@233kosta 9 лет назад

Melting point test? I s'pose melting a highpoint after an assassination would be a way to conceal evidence, but subject to enough thermite (which you can buy off ebay, even in the UK) - any gun will melt! There ain't much 5kg of thermite won't take care of! (Here's an idea, see if you can melt your next sacrificial gun with thermite :P)

@MarkiusFox 10 лет назад

Holy shit! This is a video I can relate to, personally and politically. It has bugged me to no end and for a majority of the history of gun control, I've seen nothing but compliance or even endorsement from gun owners and associations representing gun owners like the NRA. The ruling class telling the working class what they can or can't have. That is what I'm so desperately trying to change. And one of the ways I do that, is by remembering these words, which resonate with what has been happening. "Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary." - Karl Marx, March 1850 Yes, Karl Marx, the father of Communism, said those words. It shows in the bloodied history of labor here in the US, and I do not hesitate to think it won't happen again. If the crackdowns on protests like those in Ferguson, the fast food labor strikes, Wal-Mart employee strikes, or even the Occupy movement is any indicator as to how far the ruling class will go, then I hope more working class take up any arms now. When a revolt happens, and it will, those that gave up arms willingly or refused to own arms, will be the first to wish they had arms to fight with. Now, whoever wishes to berate me for my political standing, go ahead. I did not come to my conclusions by just reading a few propaganda posters and agreeing with everything they said. I saw it (I continue to see it to this day) and I've lived it.

@ottofick892 10 лет назад

"Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun." - Mao

@Leonarco333 5 лет назад

There might not be a rifle behind every blade of grass, but don’t worry. A rifle behind every 5th blade of grass is fine when those rifles have 5 times the firepower. Our fire superiority is not diminished.

@billbuck3590 10 лет назад

Sorry mate but the whole longbow poundage this is complete bull. It was required by law at one point that every Englishman train with a longbow. This means that everybody owned one and everybody knew how to use one.

@11B30Inf 10 лет назад

Most gun laws that are on the books today are not meant to curb crime or stop a violent criminal from using one. The gun laws were put in place to restrict the Citizens Rights to have or own a firearm folks.

@recharge596 10 лет назад

Please revisit this top there is a lot more that needs to be discussed and I feel like you guys just hit the tip of the iceberg with this Gripe thanks you guys I understand the channel is Iraqveteran8888 so are you Eric Iraqveteran8888 or you Chad and the others of Moss pawn and gun consider Iraq veteran8888? Love this Channel Keep it Up. One more thing is it possible to get some guess that are of different walks of like that just so happen to be gun lovers so we can have a different perspective on topics you guys discuss like females and different "cultured" people too. Awesome show as always!!!!!!

@biblesbulletsandbuicks6002 10 лет назад

Gun folk are so nice people because "with great power comes great responsibility."

@Elmarby 10 лет назад

Hate to say this but you got your history quite wrong. In feudal times armed citizenry and self reliance was actually encouraged if not required as this was the powerbase of the nobility. Armed service was a large part of what was owed a liegelord and they realized rocking up to battlefield with a bunch of well armed and trained men was going to be more effective then arriving to the field with peasants with scythes. Other then a limit on who could carry a sword there really was a culture of fostering a citizenry capable of looking after itself. Not out of any particularly high minded ideals. No doubt they concluded that a farmer who could not defend his property from brigands was harder to extract taxes from at a later date. And with the renaissance it became extremely prestigious to be part of the local militia.

@GrottyWanker69 10 лет назад

What you're saying is correct in regards to certain cultures, like that of the Norse, however in many other parts of the world and in Europe, peasants went into battle with nothing more than cheap woodcutting axes and maybe a small shield. The lower classes were forbidden from having access to "real" weapons. The serfs of Eastern Europe were forbidden from having weapons of any kind, unless being pressed into military service and that thought process was very prevalent all over. The nobility kept a monopoly and not only weapons and armor, but also wartime tactics and planning.

@iandaous 10 лет назад

Rather than preaching to the choir, why don't you guys do a segment where you invite liberals, shooting, and have a discussion with them. I changed my father-in-laws opinions on firearms by giving him one of my firearms. He's now a firearm owner, and can now see how ridiculous some of the laws are. Thanks for making videos though. Great message.

@LordBaldur 10 лет назад

And why the blanket statement? I have seen liberals for gun rights and conservatives who are against it. Generalizing is a bigoted way of thinking.

@iandaous 10 лет назад

Because it's the internet, and I'm not that into PC.

@iandaous 10 лет назад

@doom, I think he's trying to deviate from my point by attacking me, subtly. because he's probably a gun grabber, and my idea is a very dangerous one for him and his crew.

@LordBaldur 10 лет назад

Doom Funny you mention personal freedom when conservatives make laws to oppress homosexuals.

@LordBaldur 10 лет назад

Doom So you are a libertarian then? I was more on making the comment on negative generalizations, but apparently, you generalize them too.

@EverydayNation 10 лет назад

I have a decent firearm collection, but I shoot with people who are older than me. One friend has a lot of ARs from the top manufacturers, bunch of HK pistols, SBRs, and suppressors. His collection blows mine away. When talking one day, he said "just remember, I have been building this collection for 30 years. Trading up from lesser guns to the best". Definitely some good advice. I will get there one day ;)

@HayesTech 10 лет назад

Well put. I agree whole heartedly.

@egrith2127 5 лет назад

This is far from an adequate understanding of a class struggle, class struggle is oppressor vs oppressed, an example of this would be a group in Texas who open carried rifles while breaking the law that you could not feed the homeless, using a gun to do good without using it directly. this is where we find things like "Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary", we are constantly in a class struggle.

@harryschaefer5887 10 лет назад

The only thing to stop a bad guy with an accurate gun is a good guy with an accurate gun and a quick draw! shotguns can do a pretty job too.

@MegaBait1616 10 лет назад

Chad, i heard the same about Americans had a gun behind every blade of grass too. in America now there are apox. 300 million guns. i really don't think the gov. really knows how many there are!

@profanechorusesfromthesing5736 10 лет назад

California does not currently have a melting point test. However, Hawaii, Illinois, Massachusetts, Minnesota, and New York do. California is just currently considering adopting one.

@TheUofAfan 10 лет назад

I thought the gun gripes were gone since Barry passed

@Odiex27 10 лет назад

I, for one, am guilty of giving the "one percent" gun owners a hard time when they make RU-vid videos. I didn't hate on them by any means, but I do make jokes when they tell me to get some super nice gun and that I won't regret it. "Sure, buddy. I'll go get me one of those $2500 rifles. In fact, I might get two!" You get the idea. There is one channel in particular that gives...ahem...education about weapons...that draws most of my ire. But the truth is, if I could afford the guns that To...I mean...that guy can, I'd have them too. So right now, I have my Mosin, my Colt Woodsman, and my M&P Shield. I will work my way up to that Hi-Point very soon. :)

@andyraven 10 лет назад

i think you are very wrong about Bows and Feudal England.. all man and boy was demanded by law to practice with the bow/longbow. so im sure there was no law on what lbs bows you where allowed to use as most English longbows where over 100 lbs. And hunting game on Land owned by the King/Queen (which was all land) was against the law aswell.

@solouroboros 10 лет назад

You were banned from having war bows over a certain draw weight before the Assize of Arms in 1252. They were considered to basically be weapons with no legal purpose, like an automatic shotgun now. You did get in trouble for certain kinds of arrows, because man-killer arrows have a much different head than ones commonly used for hunting. All that being said, local sheriffs would illegally confiscate bows they felt would put them at a disadvantage or even to equip the sheriffs own men. Hunting on royal land was illegal, you're correct. :)

@silentguy5875 10 лет назад

I heard they used 200lb bows for war

@joezzzify 10 лет назад

Medieval England though, you where practically required to have a dagger or be trained on a full strength longbow from the age of 7 at one point.

@macgyverman55 10 лет назад

Could you do a Gun Gripe on Canadian gun laws?

@MarkAndrewEdwards 10 лет назад

I think the right to self defense shouldn't have a dollar limit. That's why I don't knock the Kel-Tec's or Taurus lines too much. My first gun was a PT--92, it was what I could afford as a college student. Luckily that gun has been a tank, I'd recommend it to anyone. I do get a little cheesed off at people who slap on optics that cost more than the rifle does or can afford expensive bullpups or 1911's but that's my baggage. I'll keep buying what I can afford to buy and shooting what I own.

@tehDevious 10 лет назад

On Bows: The Longbow at one point, was something which EVERY Englishman was required to know how to use, and be very proficient at. Not simply for hunting, but for battle. Evey man owned one, they were full strength, and practice was common. At a time of war these men would be called up to join the army. The English longbow, and the fact that all man could use it, and use it well, was a contributing factor to English supremacy. Look at the battle of Agincourt for example. Sure the Knights were the centerpiece of the army, but it was the bow wielding peasants that destroyed the French Knights and won the battle.

@acartledge88 10 лет назад

How come everywhere in Georgia sell them KSG's for $799.99 and hall are selling them for $1299.99. I say this is CLASS Struggle. I'm assuming I'm not gonna get a response from you guys but good way to keep the working man down.

@loganfrederick8752 10 лет назад

I don't care what I got, if I can defend myself with it I will use it.

@quedorf 10 лет назад

Actually the "...behind every blade of grass..." which has been attributed to Yamamoto, has never been substantiated, and is most likely bogus. The reason the Japanese did not invade the US is because it was not strategically advantageous to them. Their interests lied in the south pacific islands. If you notice they did not invade Hawaii after Pearl Harbour, which was ripe for invasion, and that was because their objective was not to use resources for that when it was not of interest. They wanted to keep the US Pacific fleet from interfering with their south pacific quest. The Japanese never had any design on the US.

@Rickus23 10 лет назад

It's such a shame to agree but most people in the UK believe that the states are full of "gun nuts" but people don't understand that the culture is different. about 1% of the UK population own firearms and in that it crosses all class lines, and thankfully there is an overpowering solidarity between us all. The guys with £100,000 Purdey shotguns will still get on well with the guys with a CZ bolt gun. I just need to move to the US and then I can be happy.

@TheObso1337 10 лет назад

Actually the Hi-Point C9 and their 380 are both on the California approved handgun roster. There is no melting point test, although it does exist in other jurisdictions. IIRC it's part of the '68 federal law with foreign imports.

@damiendanger5248 7 лет назад

I've been watching the channel for years, first time commenting. First off, ya'll and Hickok45 are my fav 2 channels on youtube. Love everything you do, but this video especially. Class struggle is something close to my heart so it was especially gratifying seeing you guys do this video. I'm not the typical firearms enthusiast, as im on the left in the political spectrum, but as far as the 2nd amendment goes, and the bill of rights and constitution for that matter, im a huge supporter.

@slyrez 7 лет назад

In late medieval Japan, guns were imported and used to take out the current emporer and when they succeeded, they turned around and banned guns so that would not happen to them.

@billhill7330 10 лет назад

i feel my wallet catch fire every time i see that wall behind them.

@WStar4Life 8 лет назад

There's always layaway lol. All of my ARs I built myself and bought a piece here and a piece there when I could afford it. Took me a year to buy all the parts for my most recent AR which was about $2400 when I finally had everything to build the rifle

@riojcp 10 лет назад

This video makes some excellent points, particularly related to gun snobbery. I was a pro shooter (photographer), and we joked about amateurs who always had to have the newest and most expensive equipment. We knew those gear junkies usually spent more time on specs and status than on the quality of their work. The same is often true of gun snobs.