GUN TRICKS: WORLD CHAMPION GUNSPINNER CRITIQUE OF TOMBSTONE'S JOHNNY RINGO 

I agree.

That was an excellent scene.

Thank you. I'll be looking for your Tin Cup video.

Was the cup routine a replica or was it better than Ringo’s gun spinning

I believe from what I have read that he was duplicating what Johnny Ringo had done. Also, the tin cup had a weight in the bottom for balance I think. It has been a while since I read about it. I need to find it again.

dunno if the footage is all from the same take, but Beihn spoke about this at a convention once. he said he trained with a gunspinning coach for around 3 months, he "Discovered" the starburst spin on his own after learning the horizontal spin before the coach told him someone else beat him to it, he developed the routine we see by himself, and he can actually do the entire routine in one go, but they had multiple takes because of minor mistakes like missing the hammer on a cocking motion or being sloppy on holstering the gun at the end etc. it's possible the reason that double spin draw to hammer cock looks funny is because they used part of one of the other botched takes for that shot, but who's to say?

Hi Roger, Glad you liked it. In this Wild West stuff, it's hard to invent something that's actually new, but it's still feels good to come up with something that you haven't seen or heard of.

@@rhinestoneropers9204 yes I’ve come to realize that!

Just watched the interview and yep, totally right according to Michael. Even though there is a lot of cuts in the movie, he said he could do the whole routine perfectly once in every 10, in the film he did it in one cut.

HI, Even without the editing issue, you still have the multiple takes issue. I had a fellow tell me about an interview that Michael did where he said that he could hit those tricks about 1 out of 10 tries. That's about right for a talented actor who is not a professional gun spinner. I just performed with a female gun spinner who uses that move in her routine at least a half dozen times. She hit it every time like it was nothing and her pistols looked weightless. they were 45 cal Cimarron Colts. Pistol Packing Paula. In my experience, when any trick works, the guns always look weightless. I assume that Michael used either an actual Colt or a blank firing replica. Neither of which is light. I'm just guessing though.

It was a colt frontier in 44-40

Peter Sherayko’s book Tombstone the guns and gear has a great picture of it

I hear that fake guns are often used.

Hi Theodore, That's interesting. I wondered if he had practiced enough to get it right once for the camera or if he had truly become as good as he looked. That's the benefit of not working live.

@@rhinestoneropers9204 I am thinking it still took some serious editing, as you alluded to, and multiple takes. I gotta go back and find that video of him talking about it. I get the impression that Biehn wasn't even remotely as good as you. Doing something for a film has to be hard enough, but doing live action shows has got to be infinitely harder. I couldn't imagine the pressure. 😅 Keep up the incredible work, I really am enjoying your channel!

@@rhinestoneropers9204 His words. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-jv66vZJevx8.html

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There's the interview where he talks about learning the tricks, and yeah he said he could only do it about 1 out of 10 times. But at least he put the time in to learn it as well as he did, many actors wouldn't do that.

I had the same idea but they cut his part up so much that there wasn't much to say.

Thanks Gary. I made them.

Yes he was.

I saw Sammy performing a routine with the longer 7 and a half inch bsrrel Peacemaker, he made it look effortless, its on youtube if you want to see it. I tried it with a long barreled Remington 1875 l thought the near 8 inch barrel would make it more difficult but l was surprised to find it somewhat easier.

Hi John, Glad you liked it. Thanks for the ideas.

The gun rings hanging on wall you made . Can you make a,video showing haw to make them and measurements.. and information on storage and care of guns and holsters.

Hi, The Horizontal Spin is covered in the second half of the video named How to Spin Guns II on this channel. I use the Ruger New Vaquero for all my tricks.

I have difficulty with the forward spin two and then it starts wobbling, but the back spin l can do for a long time, now the starburst l thought would be very hard but found it easy to my surprise, l dont know what it looked lije from a viewers point, but l just tilte my hand and finger back a little and was no way the gun was coming off, l will not even attempt the over the shoulder roll as arthritis and fear of 2.7 lbs of steel hitting me in the head discourages me somewhat lol. 😂

I admire your skills immensely

Thank you kindly!

I didn't mean to be critical, I think Michael and the shot are fantastic.

@arclight5455 Listen to what he says during the first 3 minutes of the clip

I met Michael biehn in Tombstone years back...nice man....and, he did a great job spinning that gun

@@rhinestoneropers9204I heard nothing but praise from you for the actor. Don’t know what this guy is talking about. I really enjoyed your demonstration.

It’s not a critique of the scene or of Biehn, it’s just looking at this scene from the point of view of an actual expert in the field of spinning guns. Movie vs Reality critique.

Shane is the MAN!

There is no group that I know of as we are pretty spread out. My videos are the best compilation. My earlier videos are teaching vids.

That never crossed my mind. But I noticed that in my video, the tricks look slower. I feel like I'm doing them as fast as they should be. Maybe you are right.

@@rhinestoneropers9204 I really do think it was sped up, and if you notice, they added sound effects that really make it sound even faster. I spin guns, too, and I know that my gun never spins at that speed. But... as you mentioned, it was still well done and looked awesome in film. 😁

I saw a video on RU-vid of Michael Biehn (Ringo’s actor) practicing twirling and if the move was sped up it wasn’t for lack of his ability.

@@Rodgerwilco91 got a link? I can't find it.

@@DARKSIDEART2022 ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-jv66vZJevx8.html This one?

Thank You. We loved starting our year at Winter Range. We look forward to coming back.

Hi Jack, messaging me here is good. Also, my email is Rhinestoneroper@gmail.com

Thanks Dan.

Thanks Jason.

Thanks Mike.

Thanks for the tip. I'm glad you enjoyed it.

Thank you. Yes I have spent a lot of time spinning those guns.

You Bet!

It's fantastic!

Thanks

I've become a Domino fan myself.

I just got that. 😂😂😂

Thank you.

You're welcome

I've become good at using epoxy to repair grips.

@@rhinestoneropers9204 I lost the original grip on one side.

I agree. I don't think that spinning was a big thing back then.

You Bet!

Absolutely! And that is one SHARP getup!

Thanks Biggus, I designed it and sewed most of it.