Gun Violence in America: A Conversation with Graeme Wood (Episode  

This.

People who don’t shoot, or own multiple firearms, have absolutely no concept of this. Like you said, ammo prices go all over the place, and shortages happen all the time. A thousand rounds of ammunition, say 9mm for instance, is really nothing for someone who shoots regularly. Even if you only shoot a hundred rounds once a month, which is like a single, short range trip, your out of ammo in ten months. When you then want to buy another thousand rounds ten months later, you find out that either the supply has dried up for one reason or another, or that the price has now doubled or tripled from ten months previous. Your are now screwed, and this scenario is just for one firearm. Now imagine you own multiple, maybe some rifles, a shotgun, and a few handguns. This is why many gun owners stock up on thousands of rounds.

Absolutely. Many non-gun owners don't even know there's been a pretty bad ammo shortage over the last couple of years that is now starting to stabilize somewhat with retailers imposing limitations on the amount you can purchase at any one time.

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@@tacklengrapple6891 yeah imagine the horror of not being able to shoot for a couple of months. OUCH!!!

The road blocks existed. Nobody really cared. All the signs were there. People pointed it out. Authorities ignored them. This guy showed so many signs. He was not hiding. Yet nobody cared. This speaks more about society than anything else. We will talk 5 minutes about this and then nothing will change. These boys will again be ignored. Rinse and repeat.

@@Alnivol666 no value in fatalism. We have to keep trying. I would think some legislation could allow for action after such posts. Red flag laws?

@@austingoyne3039 You have to understand that for this shooting to happen a lot of things had to go wrong. From the open door to the school, to the inexistent first response of the police and so many other things. There were roadblocks in place that became irrelevant due to people not caring. And yes...background checks should include social media posts. And stop selling guns to 18 year olds. Always fascinated me how in the US you can't drink alcohol until 21, but you can drive from 16 and own guns from 18.

@@Alnivol666 those are great ideas. Wholeheartedly agree with a new age restriction. My problem is with Republicans who act like just because some people fall through the cracks, gun laws don’t work. Of course they work.

@@Alnivol666 If Salvador Ramos couldn’t legally buy a firearm, he would need to set up a straw purchase. That could lead to an arrest. Or he would need to get into the secondary market. It’s possible, but requires some savvy, or connections, and he may not find the same type of weapon, or for the same price. People deliberately oversimplify this issue.

it's really strange that people see Sam's maturity and think it's a disorder lol smells like envy

Culture. Culture. Culture.

@@fairlanemuscle Exactly. Well, more specifically Values, which usually come from your upbringing and environment. Seems like no one on the left wants to talk about this. Now, I think the Right are wrong in some ways but at least they are talking about culture in regard to this issue.

That could be alot of things but culture sure is a part of it

@@Mercurie3 The culture on the right is a death culture... they love to kill, most anything.

Because they have better sense.

Yeah I don’t know where he was going with that argument. Can’t exactly expect gun shop owners to quiz customers about what they plan on using a gun for and for all we know the shooter may have acted fairly normally when buying the gun.

Yeah this was a strange point to make considering he has just observed a few minutes earlier that psychos can present themselves in a totally affable manner when they want to

It’s trying to shift the blame. A business just does what’s legal. It’s legal to sell to a child. They can’t refuse to sell to a child because it’s their job. It’s up to the those who are writing these laws.

He should lose his right to sell guns for life.

Yeah that's fucking insane. That's the type of talk that makes pro gun type people immediately shut down. Assuming he did the legally required background checks wtf is he suppose to do?

Yes and this is a huge issue

Exactly. Has nothing to do with video games

Yes and in most countries people lash out with alcohol etc. In America they put bullets through kids. What a f***** up country.

@@acutecloudd7970 I'm thinking that violence predates video games and Marilyn Manson, et. al. by a healthy margin.

And we give guns to release that anger lol

Hell of a price for unity.

I hope you thanked all the democrats that were there, for their support of the ever so effective "gun free zones".

Unity me eye... atrocities like this are inexcusable, and any politician against gun control should be booted out

We're really big on Thoughts and Prayers™Pat.Pend."

@@patrickdoyle9304 I started a new-ish RU-vid channel on politics and morals. Would you be interested in being a guest over zoom?

I thought the same. Halfway through there is blatant faulty logic from a philosopher, who says that because semi-automatic assault rifles won't solve the "gun problem" they are not the problem. They sure were the problem at Uvalde, Sandy Hook etc. It is INSANE how the US can't see the forest for the trees.

Its not really a problem when taken in the context of deaths to lifestyle induced diseases, medical malpractice and automobile accidents

That's the fallacy of relative privation.

@@slipknnnot Precisely. No one wants to overthrow the constitution over fat people.

​@@slipknnnot the anti-gun crowd won't even let you mention the relative scale like you have when that's obviously an important fact and would be taken into account in any other topic...

How could it not. The most innocent ( young kids ) being mowed down at school, that just sends chills down my back

@@papajoeman23 and nothing happens. Absolutely nothing.

I don't listen to Sam as often as I once did, but I've never heard him made mute by his efforts not to erupt into sobs. I started bawling while I was reading this: "Angel Garza, a first responder and father of 10-year-old Amerie Jo Garza, arrived at the school Tuesday and gave medical aid to a girl covered head-to-toe in blood. The girl said she'd seen her best friend killed -- and the best friend's name was Amerie. " 'How are you going to look at this girl and shoot her?'" Garza told CNN on Wednesday. 'My baby, how do you shoot my baby?'"

@@trenchtown69 what action did you demand when we killed half a million innocent people in Iraq including children ?

@@slipknnnot Absolutely wrong analogy comparing war situation in islamist dictatorship to unnecessary tragedy in heart of a modern country

Honorable man

We treat them as just another weapon or toy and they are not. They demand respect and they are designed to be lethal

good for you! now, let's go back to the ones who buy 2000 rounds , two assult rifles , write a manifesto, and shoot 17 kids. i don't care about the RESPONSIBLE gun owners as long as kids are dying, you can RESPONSIBLY give up yours if they don't have them too right? i mean , are you THAT attached to your toys?

My father taught me similar knowledge about guns when I was young.

You say only shoot a few dozen rounds like that's the respectable way to shoot or something

My elementary school in Southern California was the same way. All classrooms opened to the outside with two doors.

I think this would be a problem because they could run outside and now have a clear shot of a crowd to aim at.

@@erikkovacs3097 I started a new-ish RU-vid channel on politics and morals. Would you be interested in being a guest over zoom?

@@CarsonHughes85 Are you trying to get the RU-vid rando’s perspective?

@@erikkovacs3097 I like the way you put that, and yes, With my RU-vid channel I’m basically creating a place for regular people to share and challenge each other’s ideas. If you want to give it a shot, send me a message and we’ll set something up, my contact info in the “about” section of my channel.

Those people choose to ingest what’s killing them. Nobody is showing up unexpectedly and forcing the drugs down their throat…. The comparison is nonsensical.

Part of the mental health crisis in America.

Have you heard of tobacco? Alcoholic beverages perhaps?

@@DY2784 I didn’t make a comparison. I mentioned a thing I’d like to see. 🙄.

@@DY2784 Actually, that's exactly what is happening in many cases. There are people, who otherwise would never choose to use drugs, that become addicted to painkillers which were once been prescribed to them for legitimate reasons. Once their prescription runs out, their addiction takes them to street drugs. Purchasing prescription drugs off the street can be very expensive, and people often end up settling for cheaper, more dangerous options.

an active shooter and a fire aren't completely analogous and a school is much more spread out than a nightclub. so not only would it be more staggered from each point to an exit unlike a fire many people will be emotionally compelled to act differently no matter what is taught. some will be too afraid to run and barricade themselves. some will exit through the closest window. some will hesitate and precede cautiously. some will immediately sprint to an exit. it's not like a fire where everyone instantly knows to just get out. and for that reason i wouldn't discourage any of it

You make some good points, but I think that the reasons you’ve stated here are exactly why most schools have active shooter drills now on a regular basis, and probably why they’ve been having tornado drills for forever. My kids started active shooter drills in elementary school, right after Sandy Hook. The teachers have to keep the classroom doors closed now, and every entry/exit door in the school stays closed and locked. They have cameras at the front doors and anybody coming in has to be buzzed in once the bell rings. In their elementary and middle schools, every classroom had a door that led outside, but only some of their classrooms in their high school had a second exit. All of these things make people feel safer, but it never did for me. I bought both my kids bulletproof backpack inserts that were supposed to be able to stop a bullet from an AR-15 (because that’s statistically the most likely weapon they would be faced with in a school shooting), and that made me feel a little better, but I ultimately told them as Graeme has said here to run if they can, and play dead if they can’t. I told them don’t try to be a hero, just try to survive. That makes me sad, but jfc, I’d always take an alive kid that ran than a dead kid that helped others get out. As valiant, courageous, and worthy of respect as many of the victims of past school shootings have been, no kid or teacher should ever even be put in a position where they could be a hero while protecting their friends/students from a rampaging gunman.

I don't like any of the solutions you people have offered up here. Sorry but all are too unsafe and slow, risky to a degree higher than is reasonable or necessary if better implementations are put in place. I have what are IMO much better alternative methods.

@@philosopher0076 I started a new-ish RU-vid channel on politics and morals. Would you be interested in being a guest over zoom?

The buildings need to be able to drop a wall or a large part of them. A retrofit where it wall drops straight into the ground or a large portion- retracts or half retracts into the wall like a sliding closet door. This can decrease bottlenecks. Trampeling risks diminish if people disperse to a broad area.

David, I started a new-ish RU-vid channel on politics and morals. Would you be interested in being a guest over zoom?

CDC has this data. B far outweighs A

Data is actually pretty difficult to get, the NRA has repeatedly sued to obscure as much information as possible about gun violence to prevent research from occurring.

Read “Defensive Gun Use: Gary Kleck Misfires Again”.

I can tell you that the "FBI Expanded Homicide Data Table 8," which is very easy to find, will give you some of the data you seek. There are fewer than 400 murders annually in which the murderer used a rifle as a weapon. The table doesn't break down rifles into specific types, but rifles of all types are used as murder weapons in fewer than 400 murders per year. 400 in a country of 335,000,000 citizens and legal residents and perhaps another 20,000,000 without legal status. According the CDC, 41,000 people are killed annually by *other people's* tobacco smoke.

yea get rid of guns and transition to knife crime like the UK where you're stabbed for breathing the wrong way. Wake the fuck up

so we should, right now, strip 100% of Ukrainians of their firearms. good call, Anderson!

Very well said

Dicky, I started a new-ish RU-vid channel on politics and morals. Would you be interested in being a guest over zoom?

In return you mark yourself as a decent and thoughtful fellow

In most of Europe last mass schooting od civillians was done by Germans in 1945 ;)

@@MichalKaczorowski how about the theater massacre in France? Forgot about that one? They used AKs if I remember correctly that was illegal of them. They didn’t seem to obey the laws. Odd, that.

@@Slopdoggy he specifically said 'most of europe' France is not 'most of europe' It's one small part of Europe. And one small part of Europe does not counter the claim 'most of europe' It WOULD counter the claim 'all of europe' But not 'most' 🙄

pretty sure the Ukraine beat us in terms of statistics. but you're not thinking, so we should give you a pass for lack of thinking/lack of logic

@@jgreen2015 28 of America's 50 states have had zero mass shootings in their entire history's. Only 13 of Europe's 51 nations can say the same. Just saying things, don't mind me.

Makes sense. Your peasants should not have firearms to oppose your rule.

He meant it'll never happen in the United States because of the gun culture and the 2A

What works in Canada is not the same for what will work in the US - surely this is obvious?

He didn't actually ban handguns, he put a stop to the import of additional handguns and to transferring ownership of existing handguns. All the people that currently have them keep them. That's Canada not the US, the gun lobby owns at least half the politicians in the US and a majority of the judges, no gun ban would ever survive long enough to be put in effect.

Free market capitalism.

Completly agree. I don't worry about what to do if there is a violent intruder in the home. I don't expect there to be a violent intruder in my home.

@@davegold I don't wash my food, I'm a decade late on some vaccines and I repair stuff at home that I have no business repairing. But I don't force everyone else to make all of the same choices I do.

but you're ok with Ukrainians being killed in their own nation. Got it, Kendrick. brilliant comment by the way

Well that's you. Why do you expect everyone else to conform to your lifestyle?

When you need it you will wish you had it.

@@satireofcircumstance6458 Well, not necessarily. The main reason I respect Sam's body of work is his capacity and disposition for clear thinking and sincerity. I would not expect his Jewish background to inform his opinions. With that said, there's a couple things I've heard Sam say about Palestinians and Palestine which I find shockingly unfair. I still can't help but love his content and the conversations he engages in. But its a little painful for me, personally, not gonna lie.

There are far fewer mass shootings in Israel than the U.S.

What do you mean by this? How are guns abused in Israel? As far as I can tell, as an Israeli, they're mostly uses in criminal organizations, and especially so in the Arabic population which has a huge gun violence problem.

What do you expect them to do, cut into their profits on an off-chance it will prevent another tragedy? The money gods require a sacrifice.

I doubt FOX news would ever respect that line of reasoning either

@@radscorpion8 BuT FoX NeWZ!!!!

@@radscorpion8 wonderful. Not a single mention of Fox News in the OP but somehow you read into his statement that “Fox News wouldn’t do this” despite him never having said that at all. God damn it’s so frustrating

Lol, so does that logic only apply to mass shootings or other coverage as well? Want to reduce murders, rapes and republicans winning elections simply never report on any of them. Pretend they never happen and it'll magically make it so. How many mass shootings can you name that happened this year? I can name 2-4 but the reality is within the first 21 weeks of the year there were 213 mass shootings and only a handful ever got national media coverage.

Liability for the gun vendor who presumably had NO reasonable suspicion that this monster was going to do something like is the opposite of rational. It's emotionally reactionary nonsense.

@@bthomson7770 approximately as emotionally reactionary nonsense as Americans clinging to their guns and going out to purchase yet more at every inkling The Government Is Coming To Take Them Away®.

@@bthomson7770 True. I was looking for a non true believer here to inject some common sense.

Thats it, make it about you.

@@bthomson7770 I don't agree with that. If that is all you got from the discussion your loss. They were just searching for ideas and clearly stated so.

A second exit means a second entrance and another way to break in for a shooter

@@62Cristoforo Then you just leave through the other exit?

@@emuccino hahaha I legit laughed out loud at this xD

Windows…

Iam from Canada. I have an 8 & 10 yr old. When I research the schools that might kids go to, I don’t think about 1 or 2 exits. Armed guards, or bullet proof glass. Seriously How can anyone bring up these issues. Americans scream about their exceptionalism. They are exceptional compared to all most all countries on the planet, who don’t ponder whether teachers should carry guns. Cognitive dissonance times 10

Good point, diseases of despair are everywhere.

No shit Sherlock!

Sam Harris dishes out nihilism and meaninglessness outside of self delusion Atheism produces despair

​@@joshsimpson10 lol and religion doesn't?? Tell me when was the last time an atheist flew a plane into a building or started a war in the name of Atheism? Never. Because atheism is simply saying i dont believe you because there's no evidence? Why you far right wings harch on about 'facts over feelings' but then go home a pray to your imaginary friend will continue to amaze me. Hypocrisy at its best.

@@joshsimpson10 Deism is self delusion. I do agree, however, that atheism can and does produce "despair", but then again most people can't "handle" the truth, which gives religion an important purpose for many.

The lengths gun owners expect everyone else to go to in order to accommodate their fetish. Must have been a while since you've been in school, that suggestion would be a nightmare if implemented not to mention who exactly is going to pay for renovating 130k schools? Lol, the people suggesting this nonsense would be the first to vote against an infrastructure bill for it.

I think they were discussing that more in the situation where there would be already tighter gun control. If there are measures in place at every gun store that are legally required to ensure that a weapon doesn't get sold to the wrong person, and then the gun seller doesn't abide by those measures and sells a gun to someone who then uses it for mass murder, I think there is a legitimate discussion regarding reprimanding the store owner. Not sure what it's like in America, but here in Canada, bartenders and waiters can be held legally responsible if they serve too much alcohol to a customer who then gets in their car and drives home and gets in a lethal accident injuring themselves or someone else. Similarly, it's the responsibility of a store owner to make sure they don't sell alcohol/weed/cigarettes to someone under age. This type of responsibility regarding the selling of guns is something I think should definitely be on the table. But obviously there would have to be researched measures to be put in place.

@@skullkrusher4418 I think doubling up there on something that would already be illegal overcomplicates things though. It is illegal, for example, to sell alcohol to a minor. If we want tougher punishment for the crime, I think that's fine and is easy to implement. Exponentially assigning blame based on crimes committed on top of that negligence is messy and difficult to execute in law. Regardless, I think the key issue here is not more laws but rather better oversight and implementation. In this particular shooting, all laws were followed and I don't see any reasonable implementation that could prevent this from occurring at the gun acquisition level. You could say that the police failing to do their job caused many more too die, but see how holding people accountable via negligence isn't so clear cut?

@@theguythatiam Yeah I know what you mean. I was more just stating that there is at least some sort of precedent for those types of laws. I see why holding people accountable for negligence in this scenario doesn't make sense. But that's because there isn't clear or at least stringent enough (imo) legislation regarding who can be sold a gun. For example, if a law were put in place that you needed to present results of a recent psychiatric evaluation to a store owner in order to be able to buy a gun, but then a store owner sold someone a gun without asking for proof of psychiatric evaluation, then the owner of the gun store SHOULD be held partially responsible. That's more the kind of thing I was talking about, hence why I mentioned that new regulations would have to be put in place BEFORE what they were talking about would make sense. But I think there is indeed room for discussion here.

You'd have to be an American to find it nuanced.

@@keithmorgan3295 Not sure if that's a slight and to whom it would even be directed?

What? You just said they don't pay the bill, if you make ammo expensive, it literally will affect everyone BUT mass shooters.

@@frozenfenix0 exactly. People who don’t expect to be around ain’t afraid of getting many credit cards and buying lots of guns and ammo.

Yeah. That idea is stupid and totally against the 2nd amendment.

@@ProteinBadger Oh nvm, I thought you we're saying make ammo more expensive, guess I'm not there in the podcast yet.

oh no. the poor banks.

there's a similar amount of psychos in the UK or canada, they simply don't have easy unrestricted acted to automatic firearms even in Israel (which is a relatively militaristic society, where every male and even female has a 2-3 year mandatory army service) - you have to get a LICENSE to get a gun, and that in itself is something that prevents a lot of unnecessary gun victims

Europeans have spent the last 2000 years killing each other in order to endlessly reshape their national boundaries. Last century, you guys started two "Great" wars costing millions of lives. Please let me hear more about how America is a barbaric third world country and Europe is so civilized.

If you sat down and actually went over black on black gun crime data you would come away with a totally new perspective. The Democrat-run media has no interest muddying the waters and alienating the Democrat voter base. You sound like a propagandized fool. The number of innocent black children that are needlessly mowed down puts these school shootings to shame.

also from the uk. the Americans have a gun culture, they think it's normal democrats and republicans don't want to get rid of guns no matter even if mass shootings went up 1000%

@@stephenglover8828 I’m from the UK and immigrated here the US. I have guns, it’s the most natural thing in the world. Not only do I feel safe at home, it’s a great sport too. But perhaps most importantly, if you don’t believe the Left wing’s governments aren’t capable of authoritarianism and tyranny, then you haven’t been paying enough attention. If the Democrats try any funny business, they’ll be getting filled full of holes.

@@occamsblunderbuss7920 great assessment. But not even close, I'm Thatcher's child and if I was in the US I would definitely be a Republican Gun control, or lack thereof, is a bipartisan thing, both are clueless If there was no gun culture there would be no guns, so you wouldn't need to own a gun to feel safe. But more importantly there wouldn't be mass shootings As for sports remember when that teenage girl lost control of an automatic weapon at the shooting range and shot her instructor. Great sport yeah I've lived in Singapore for 25 years, my daughter can go out in the middle of the city until 3am, she feels totally safe. No need to have a gun. Compare that to dangerous US cities. I'm glad to be living here, cheers

Canada is banning handguns today. Their is a much deeper reason this stuff is happening around the world . Some of you wont know why we are the way we are until its too late .

European?

As an Australian, I agree. It feels like America is doomed, when the problem of guns is being posited as solve-able with “more guns”. Surely if anything is evident from the police not entering the room, it’s that even armed police are afraid of guns, and by extension that guns really are the problem. Besides if a teacher had a handgun, all a shooter needs to do is shoot first?

I'm originally from Canada, grew up with guns, enjoy guns and I find American gun culture to be extremely pathological.

I agree. Canadian, and this whole conversation is totally bizarre.

They have quick access safes that open with a finger print.

If you're someone who lives in a place where home invasions are common and you're extensively concerned about self protection at home, I think it's less likely you'll opt for a way to store your gun that takes a lot of time to get it out.

@@sperckensiedoitch that's why it's better to look at it in terms of principle rather than utility, unless you trust lawmakers to always make the most optimal choice.

the violence is the disease if its you or your loved one being shot to death. the solutions to reducing the violence need to include gun control even if you think its "merely" a symptom, we still need to stop the bleeding, regardless to what the cause is AND address the cause(s). we can do both things at once.

Too many guns in the USA to ever put the genie back into the bottle, like they did in the UK, for example. It means Americans will always have to live with the risk of gun violence, with regulation only tinkering on the margins.

Since you obviously listened to Sam please explain to me exactly what you mean by "universal background checks." Where do you live if the concept of background checks isn't something that happens on a State level? Furthermore, are you of the opinion that the Federal level is the best place to perform background checks?

This is one of the best ideas I've heard so far. It won't drastically reduce the issue of overall gun violence in the US, and will be seen by many as a violation of the 2A, but a good idea nonetheless when it comes to mass shootings perpetrated by young males.

It's an interesting idea, deny anyone who doesn't have at least 3 friends a gun. Of course, even if the NRA were to be some insane miracle not put every resource at their disposal to destroy this before it could get passed they'd do the next best thing and setup a gun friend referral program so all those loners could call in and get the necessary number of NRA adults to sign off on their purchase, for a fee of course, this is America after all.

@@bleach219 no doubt, people will seek to game the policy but I have a conceal carry and I needed to provide 2 'non-related' references in my request form. I also needed a clean record. Could I have manufactured my referrals, maybe? Could I have checked the, 'not convicted of any crime' box on the form if I was convicted, (hoping I wouldn't show up in a database)? Maybe but not likely. As for the, "gun friend referral program", there could be penalties for making fraudulant referral claims and this is where phoning a friend becomes a liability to the lying friend. You're not wrong. People can and do spend time trying to get past or around restrictions but I'm looking for ways to reduce, not eliminate risk. As they say, never let the perfect be the enemy of the good. That said, ain't NOTHING gonna change so maybe we'll comment on the next mass shooting. tick, tock....

@@davidlenett8808 that seems like a great idea.

it's not that it's a bad idea, Lenett, it's just that it's not going to solve the problem. look at Chicago and the gun violence. it's INCREDIBLY DIFFICULT to purchase a gun in Illinois. i would personally make it more challenging to purchase and own firearms, but that isn't going to stop disenfranchised young men from killing people.

This will come off as really cold but that seems like a really serious waste of 50 billion dollars. The amount of lives you can save with that money in other ways is exponentially higher.

@@soulfuzz368 Oh well, if that's true, then by all means we can redirect the funding. I actually just guessed the figure I don't know what it actually would be. But it would be nice to hear some discussion about it

There is discussion, it’s called common sense gun laws. It’s called red flag laws, it’s reinforcing our mental health institutions. You choose not to listen, that’s your problem. We should increase the age of gun ownership and license to 21 or 25. It’s not that hard.

@@henrytep8884 what does reinforcing mental health institutions mean specifically? Seems sort of like a platitude to me to be honest.

@@soulfuzz368 I started a new-ish RU-vid channel on politics and morals. Would you be interested in being a guest over zoom?

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Can you expand on that?

@@mattturner5429. I think the best place to understand what I’m talking about is the “Revolution Now” podcast with Peter Joseph. You can find it on RU-vid.

I know you can't give me a summary. But were statistics the focal point of all arguments - e.g. rifles amounting to 450 annual deaths vs 600 from hand to hand combat. 500,000 to 3 million defensive uses of firearms. 61% of gun deaths are suicides. Liberty vs safety.

I think discussion of politics is not the issue, it's just the attitude and reactions to that. Keep it mature.

@@vincentcossell9963 Are you interested in doing youtube panel debates?

Right now isn't. All anyone asks for is one day. You can even say right after this day of mourning we are going to talk about it. But one hour after it happens for commentators on major news networks to say 2A people have blood on their hands....that's not a discussion. And anyone who has that sentiment, is absolutely a terrible person. They do this because they don't really have any ideas that would stop this besides a mandator confiscation.

@@laniefeleski7288 I started a new-ish RU-vid channel on politics and morals. Would you be interested in being a guest over zoom?

I mean it might be hard for you to believe but there are many stats and examples that suggest otherwise

@@user-du1uk7lt8j In the USA you need guns... to protect yourself from the other people with guns. We don't need guns in the UK as the other people don't have guns either. The main stat to bear in mind is that the murder rate (per capita) in the USA is 10X what it is in the UK. Guns literally make things 10X worse.

Your own analysis is hopelessly flawed. It isn't about provoking someone or being robbed on the street. The example given is someone entering your home to burglarise/home invasion etc. Sam Harris gets death threats. I don't blame him for wanting a firearm given, if people enter his home with the intention to harm him, that could be his only defence

@@richardbantin9900 If a country like the USA is flooded with more guns than people then it becomes a more violent society and people naturally feel unsafe. So they buy yet more guns. In Europe we don't have the country flooded with guns in the first place so people feel safer. In America because the guns are already there, the fear is there so the antidote for Sam is to buy a gun to protect himself against a hypothetical home invader. The only down side is the high murder rate, increase suicide rates, school shootings etc in the USA. But it's a price Americans seem willing to pay. In Europe we wouldn't want the school shootings or the high murder rates so we restrict access to guns.

Absolutely, finally a sensible comment. I'm from India, I'm shocked to see an intellectual like Sam Harris supporting guns for defense. Why can't the people of US understand that if guns are altogether banned, nobody needs it, neither for defense or offense.

No one from the US emigrates to the UK. You're only glad you live there because of your ignorance and skewed perspective.

How do you feel about knives and immigrants?

I live in Glasgow/ London and I daily worry about getting stabbed when outside lol

In London, April 2019 to March 2020 saw 15,930 knife offences per 100,000 people London and New York has roughly the same population, a similar number of homicides, it's just the Londoners tend to use sharp objects to kill each other. Guns do not make a significant difference. US has far more crime due to the presence of drugs, low IQ demographics and lack of group cohesion.

@@LLlap Knives are pretty useful. I mostly use them for eating food. Immigrants are cool. Hard workers for the most part. My grandparents were immigrants.

why...?

@@Jaylade because we shouldn't violate people's human rights

@@Jaylade same reason minimum wage should be livable and healthcare universal.

Actually that is perfect, because it bothers regular gun owners, especially those practicing and shooting as a sport and it does absolutely nothing to bother spree killers, who can further be instrumentalized to take people's guns away.

Good point, I'd like to hear more discussion of this as well.

Nicholas, I started a new-ish RU-vid channel on politics and morals. Would you be interested in being a guest over zoom?

Yes, Sam Harris seemed to think that it was going to be solved in a single podcast, and yet all these important questions were glossed over. I'm finding this increasingly the case both with Sam Harris and Jordan Peterson - they spend so much time waffling and very little time actually letting the interviewee actually talk.

Dude, most of these questions look like they were ripped straight out of an NRA propaganda website that have little to do with the subject at hand. You come across as being incredibly disingenuous

@@Ancor3 I took a different take, and one the NRA would certainly not support! Basically those questions lead you to one conclusion: Changing gun laws is largely ineffective for one simple reason: The USA is drenched in guns. Its like debating how to rainproof your coat when you're 10 feet underwater. The only way to solve the issue is to remove all guns in America with the exception of law enforcement, the military and people with specific licenses and those who keep them in a separate, secure location. Extreme? Its how most industrialised countries (you know, the ones where gun massacres are almost unheard of) operate.

So you don’t even want to know the answers to the questions just because they might have come from the NRA website?

1. Because every new gun that gets into circulation is a problem. Vetting new owners is basic common sense and should have been happening for a long time already. Just because there’s lots of guns in circulation doesn’t mean you give up implementing checks on the new ones, it’s better late than never. 2. Not sure, although in this instance the school shooting happens with a gun legally registered to a kid who bought 2 ARs weeks after he turned 18. 3. Don’t know that figure, clearly not a significant percentage 4. Again, not sure, but the NRA have directly lobbied politics to enact looser gun regulation and expanded bullshit laws around stand your ground, pushed back on any proposed background checks on purchase etc. They’ve unquestionably made things worse. Just because they didn’t pull the trigger doesn’t mean they haven’t put more ARs into more peoples hands. If there’s no NRA the assault weapons ban that expired after 10 years probably gets reinstated. 5. This is the question that makes me feel like you’re just deflecting? Why does this matter? We’re talking about the school shooting problem which have happened again and again for 20-30 years. I’m pretty sure none of those children were ‘violent criminals’. No other country on earth has the level of mass shootings that the US does. 6. I feel the same with your question here on the war on drugs, yes there’s some overlap in the Venn diagram with drugs and guns, but if we can’t even get basic background checks done in the political arena what makes you think ‘ending the war on drugs’ whatever that means, could be achieved? You mean legalising cocaine, heroin, meth etc right? That’s a complete non-starter in this political climate. If you don’t mind me saying, these questions feel like deflections. At this point it’s not on the gun control side to disprove all the gun lobby’s contrived hypothetical questions, which are designed to muddy the debate and play out the news-cycle, - clearly the current status quo is not working and after every school shooting we do nothing. In every other country where they’ve implemented gun ownership measures the mass shooting / gun homicide rate went down. In the US people die repeatedly from mass shooting done by weapons of war that have no business in the civilian populations hands, enough is enough. I’m not saying gun control would solve everything, but it would have some impact that would save lives. We need background checks, better storage and red flag laws, and an assault weapons ban.

It's not the world . Its America !

leave the rest of the world out of this! , this only happens in America!

@@darillus1 this happens everywhere in the world, especially in third world countries but you don't hear about it on CNN because it doesn't drive the agenda

@@davidcoleman2796 For someone born in the US, their nation is the center of the milky way galaxy. You should be used to them talking like this at this point.

@@mikekane2492 yes but every other country did something about it first time. So the tragedy hasn't happened again. America ring hands and pray.

How are those covid quarantine camps working out for you guys down there?

@@acetate909 they're just so use to living somewhere where everything want to kill them that they're totally ok with their government wanting to as well.

Where is it easier to drive than buy a gun?

@@acetate909 Exactly. Bet the Chinese wish they had a Second Amendment. (Just remembered a protest sign in Hong Kong saying something to the effect of, "we need a Second Amendment")

I don't own a gun, but I always find it cute when an Australian says they're thankful they don't have tons of guns in their country. The cognitive dissonance to make such a statement is astounding lol. Australians not having guns is exactly how and why their citizens were rounded up and put into camps during COVID (and still now).

Switzerland is absolutely CRAZY about guns and has one of the highest gun ownership per capita in the world. The country has about 2 million privately owned guns in a nation of 8.3 million people...... Mass Shootings?...... Nope.... One 21 years ago. (USA averages more than one per day). Citizens feel oppressed by the gun laws?.... Nope..... Sam, you TOTALLY don't get it.

Awful conversation. Two gun owners discussing gun control is laughable.

@@MichalKaczorowski Yep waste of a hour an a half of my life. Basically:- "Guns are bad this shooting is horrific" "Yeah they are, this is awful" "You gonna give up your gun?" "Nope" ...... "me neither"

It's already much more difficult to get than a driving license. You take one test for the license you take one driving test and you continue to renew it through the mail. The federal background check checks every state and federal and military agency for infractions of the law. Also there is no psychological evaluation for driving tests or firearms your comparison to driving licenses is a non sequitur

Did you miss, or do you not agree with, the part of this podcast where they discuss that "assault rifles" are no more lethal at close range than handguns?

URL?

@@Jaylade Just click on my profile icon above, or on the name Handgun Safe Research beside it. They are both active links to my channel.

Bravo, you win the internet today !!!! I hope you were being sarcastic.

If that's so, it's more than worth it. That's pretty much the point of the rule of law, the point of a constitution, the point of the separation of powers, the point of liberal democracy as a whole: you don't just overthrow everything bcs people died and you're mad. You don't build a totalitarian state just bcs you think it's safer. You don't give up fundamental freedoms to save lives. Liberal democracy among other things means that there are more important things than mere survival.

@@MrCmon113 if they were your children I bet you would feel different

I started a new-ish RU-vid channel on politics and morals. Would you be interested in being a guest over zoom?

If only he was educated about firearms...

@@bandit6272 He is. He is a gun owner or did you not listen to it and just scroll the comments to spread ya right wing gun loving garbage you guys always spew.

Wrong. The smallest handgun rounds in the world can go through car doors, they are literally hyper thin sheet metal, what do you expect. AR-15's can not reliably go through concrete. Armor piercing *cannon rounds* have a surprisingly hard time with concrete. Just in case you know literally nothing at all, the AR-15 'assault weapon' fires the .223 round, literally the smallest rifle round in the world. Literally the weakest lowest penetration rifle round in the world. There are handguns, literally any 'magnum' for example, that have larger more powerful rounds.

Incorrect…John Howard instituted Australia’s Buyback after the Port Arthur massacre in 1996.

Sensible answer that deserves many more up votes.

Or they can move over to your side of the pond or move to Canada. Plus yall are losing your ability to have cultural freedom of speech for fear of offending people. I think yall would do well to find a country that prescribes to your way of doing buisness. I'll stick it out right here under the constitution and the bill of rights. Yall can go play big brother else where.

@@larymcfart4034 Well, I respect your opinion :)

Because it's unrealistic to expect society to be responsible for every child that is born into it. Those who are not born psychopaths or turned into sociopaths need to be protected from those who are, first and foremost.

Not sure if serious

I don’t know that the narrative of a loving family and healthy society is going to make anyone feel better because we all needed that apparently. On a macro level, yeah, this is the conversation we should be Having. However I would levy accusations at our culture. We have to find a top down way of fixing this by investigating the psychology that makes these people. Jordan and Warren Farrell go into this deeply in his latest podcast. But nobody has any taste for confronting the problem head on. It’s always ‘the parents’, ‘the guns’ ‘the drugs’. Western Society is making entitled , spoiled, self obsessed, petulant people. Is it Better off to just let nature deal with it? because nothing short of Jesus Christ in the flesh is going to make people listen.

@@dnbjedi "Trying to take care of everyone has got us here…" Um, we have *barely* even tried. _Barely._

@@johnd.obrien6838I appreciate that point, and I had to edit my reply…. I think my point was that trying to take care of everyone was ineffectual in that it spreads everything so thin. Sort of like the equity vs equality argument. Taking care of everyone would be equity but ensuring everyone has a chance at success is equality. Maybe that’s what I meant…

Listen to the podcast again

Right on my dude.

The second amendment is the federal license

Shall not be infringed

@@Fullyautomagic .22 LR is your future

Geoffrey, I started a new-ish RU-vid channel on politics and morals. Would you be interested in being a guest over zoom?

There is twice as many guns as US citizens...

Harris has slandered Islam as hard or harder than any other atheist writer that I'm aware of. With that comes the death threats.

What if he just wants a gun. By crime, what are you talking about that is substancially diffrent from other nations both in lower and upper class brackets.

He feels he needs a gun because he has written a number of anti-Islamic articles and books, and has had credible death threats, at a time when Islamic terrorism was common. The US doesn't have particularly high crime rates, when considered on a World scale. The incarceration rates have something to do with the unsuitability of the American system. There are a percentage of people who cannot operate within the Western system, and in other Western countries, the government takes care of them. It seems that most Americans believe that they run a system in which anyone can succeed if they try, which is delusional.

Asked and answered if you actually listen to the episode.

True, but a more useful number is gun ownership per 100 people. I’ve known individuals that have several firearms but I don’t think that’s indicative of the norm and it would throw off any useful rato to consider.

Have you ever been to Israel lol..?

@@Jaylade I have when I was in the military. Everyone has to go through military service, as well as school kids getting trained with firearms. I remember when I was touring Jerusalem there was a field trip of middle school or high school looking Israeli kids with mag less M4's on there backs. I didnt ask, but it looked like they get trained to understand firearms early on.

To be fair Israel is much younger than the US. Plus guns as a whole is a wide range from antiques, black powder and muzzle loaders all the way to todays High resolution manufacturing capabilities.

the statistic that should worry us is illegal guns on the street per city and access to guns by adolescent and young, angry men. it doesn't matter that millions of law abiding citizens might own 2-20 guns each. usually those guns are under lock and key.

Hardly, I've heard "Make owning a gun like getting a pilots license" "make gun store owners or clerks accountable for the crimes of the customers" "release the info of the store owner that sold the gun to the most recent shooter" "make ammo much more expensive".... I've heard 0 solutions that address any alternatives other than infringing on 2nd Amendment, they quickly glossed over the possibility of adding extra school officers as being "too prison like", never brought up the thought of allowing willing school staff to conceal carry, although im not all the way done yet I'm sure this gets worse....

Gun toting left of the fence. Great podcast. Riddle of the gun was very good too.

@@josesbox9555 I started a new-ish RU-vid channel on politics and morals. Would you be interested in being a guest over zoom?

@@josesbox9555 we're gonna be ok

Me too! I’m a gun enthusiast competition shooter! I was afraid to listen thinking it would be all ban all guns! Was pleasantly surprised!

I live in America and I dont worry either. We have 350 million people here and the national news makes shit seem like it happens all the time everywhere,It doesn't.

@@natemendsen1629 happy to hear and good for you. I know, as a father myself, I'd be somewhat concerned by the recent developments, but everybody is different, for sure.

@@BoRisMc Im a father too with school age children .The chances are better winning the lotto .Its just perspective.Hell they have a far better chance of getting run over with how some traffic is in places .Im just saying America is a huge place and shit is always happening that could appall the rest of the world if we magnified it. Of course some nut killing 20 kids is pretty dramatic and you cant ignore it.But the real gun problems are in large cities . Some of those places I wont go anymore.The funny thing is they dont talk about that on a national scale .

@@natemendsen1629 Not to mention that some places with very unrestrictive gun laws- like Vermont/ New Hampshire- also have low violent crime. But no one mentions that.

@@Jay_in_Japan yeah well, it's definitely a multifaceted problem. But again, I guess we'll never have a full grasp of each other's perspectives in so far as I have not lived in a gun populated society and you have not lived in a virtual gun-free one. I can say tho, to us in Spain this issue seems as 'weird', culturally distant, and somewhat unnecessary as bullfighting may feel to the average American.

This is a false equivalency. "Responsible Gun Ownership" is not "responsible car ownership". People use and accrue experience with their cars at a far greater rate than they do with firearms, and it is easily arguable that people make more harmful decisions with their cars on a daily basis. More people die on the road than by fire every year. You cannot tell me that solution to that is to ban cars, or to artficially inflate the cost of a car, merely because the potential to do harm is greater with a car. It is coming at the problem from the wrong direction.

@@BattlesuitExcalibur From my prospective, I am not directly comparing cars with guns and the nuances of their individual ownership. Though, in fact, people do kill people with their cars and guns both achieving 40,000 deaths a year, each. Nor am I suggesting that the many tiny branches of causation and effect are the same. My point is that each is our collective preference and that preference causes death. Do we live with that cause as justifiable? If we did ban all cars and trucks then there would be no road deaths and save 40,000 lives. Maybe not ban the cars but the drivers as per Elon Musk and Robotaxi. Our selfish preferences have consequences, at what point do we say no?

@@roylewis2708 1. I think the nuances of individual ownership are quite literally the whole story (which is why banning them will do nothing). People are responsible car/gun owners until they day that they arent. Thats why the Texas shooter was able to legally obtain the murder weapon. He had no trackable prior history to serve as a basis for restricting access. We should work in the universe we currently live in, not the one we want to live. 2. On that note, I agree that the consequences of our decisions are the events we must live with. Freedom does indeed have a price, and we should accept that there is an ambient level of murderous psychopathy we need to accept because we live in a world in which firearms exist at at all. The same way a nuclear weapon cannot be uninvented, we must accept the possibility of a Hiroshima/Nagasaki as a part of the world we live in. We must also accept the fact that "banning" access to things as a means to disincentivise behavior does not work in a world of mature adults. Smoking bans do not stop smoking, it just moves it. Prohibition was a resounding disaster, and gun free zones are where our children are being murdered. This is the world we live in.

@@BattlesuitExcalibur It is the world you live in. The U.S. is a lone star with more guns than population. In reference to your first point, the mere fact that people can become a "responsible" gun owner with relative ease is {in my view} the the hole in the cheese access for non-responsible gun ownership. It is a seesaw justification. As opposed to working in the present, should we not be working in the present to improve the future? In your second comment, in that banning does not work in a world of mature adults, perhaps we are not mature adults but rather selfish individuals. So to your line, we should not have removed cocain from Coke, not banned slavery, we should not ban ICE cars. It seems to me that over time the human species crashes into major problems and eventually finds ways to solve them and move forward. The "eventually" is important because in most cases the progress is dragged through the mud of selfish mature adults. That "slow" progress costs more lives than it needs to.

Yes, this!

nice an actual comment putting forward a solution. Instead of just complaining about the other side and making sweeping statements.

Perfect

I like this!

I disagree, but this is a much better idea than the 'ban it' crowd has come up with in 30 years.

Because you don't have anything like a 2nd Amendment, and your firearms privileges can be revoked at any time, even because of unpaid traffic tickets, and you need a special license to obtain semi-automatic firearms capable of accepting detachable magazines . Also, all of your guns, even air rifles, are registered, and virtually NOBODY is allowed to carry a firearm in public, and there are stiff penalties for doing so.

@@thatpointinlife As discussed in this podcast, the shooter in Uvalde acquired his guns legally. Checks and requirements identical to Switzerland would not have prevented this. I own several semi-automatic firearms with high capacity mags. Obtaining the purchase permit wasn't significantly more challenging than compared to the US.

@@schoppepetzer9267, the Uvalde shooter would NOT have been able to buy an AR-15 in Switzerland. If you actually lived in Switzerland you would know this.

@@thatpointinlife Why would the Swiss authorities have denied the Uvalde shooter his purchase permit? Maybe I overlooked something but I see no rejection criteria.

@@thatpointinlife Or maybe it is US society that creates ignored angry men, a thing that does not happen in Switzerland. Let's not act like the last decades have not been about putting men down and telling them how bad they are. I am surprised we don't have more shootings.

Agree

Not to mention the idea of “swarming the shooter”, or “gouging his eyes while he changing magazine”: ordinary people are not MMA fighters, and are not a trained military outfit. Actually, even armed policemen with training (as seen in Texas, or in the other school shooting in Florida) have a hard time confronting a demented shooter who seeks a “suicide by bullet”. Sadly, most of this podcast is nonsense.

What is intrinsically wrong about the arguement that a world without guns is a world where the strong win?

@@perhapsyes5745 If the duty of protecting the citizens from violence is delegated to the citizens themselves, what is the point of having a law-enforcement department like the police department? It is an extremely dangerous and absurd idea to expect that common people can take the responsibility of defending themselves with firearms. It is like expecting a mob to deliver justice in the case of legal disputes between people.

@@sonusabir12first of all, that's not actually an answer to the question. Secondly, the Supreme Court has answered that question by stating LEOs do not have a responsibility to protect citizens. But say you are right that they do, how does that show an intrinsic flaw with Sam's reasoning. The reason people rely on yhe police is because they are the strongest in the case of police without firearms. And in america the reason they are the strongest gest is because they have firearms. Just because the strongest person who wins happens to be the good guys in a specific instance, only emphasizes Sam's point, it does not disregard it.

America's drug problem drives a significant portion of America's gun violence. Chicago gang violence for example. My guess is the countries you listed do not have warning signs like this: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-LbeyHmWbQjs.html

You should read some Orwell

Yes home invasion only occurs in the US

Same feeling, I had huge respect for Harris until I heard him say that.

Fully agree except for me it's not th first time Sam Harris surprises me with his irrationality. His comments on world politics were similarly senseless. I remember thinking "wow, this guy has no idea about the subject". I guess you can't spend so much time on mindfulness etc. and at the same time collect a proper understanding of the world around.

they clearly didn't understand this - or they glossed over it for a political score. I like both of them, so I think they just didn't understand that no one actually thinks a single egress is a good idea. Would be nice to talk to them and explain that.

After the children of today grew up hearing people say "defund the police," I doubt the "you don't need a gun, the police will protect you" argument is going to work on them.

Its going to take a lot of delusional kids from every state to repeal the 2nd amendment.

@@migarsormrapophis2755 Plus not to mention that liberals tend to have fewer children.