Gus blames the NRL for 'creating' the hip drop problem it 'can't solve' | Wide World of Sports 

Despite trying to make the game safe NRL is definitely making the sport more complex...and more fragile unlike before. Spot on Guss

Every tackle Alfie Langer ever made would now be classified as a hip drop

The banning of the shoulder charge has made defenders vulnerable and attackers know this and run harder. There is no risk to running the ball because they have to be tackle softly.

Been a rugby league fan since I first played as a kid in 1979. Have,watched 2,games this year and gave up. It's now unwatcheable And that is very sad

What are they sposed to do.. just grab them around the waist and walk 20 meters with them?

From what’s been so far a cracking season of games these rules with penalties( high tackles, hia and hip drops etc) have absolutely put a dark cloud over what’s been an entertaining year but we’re all starting to get over it fast.

It's getting softer every year with new laws. Well said Gus

reward low tackling, if someone makes a low tackle, a player is then entitled to "flop" and allow the low tackler to get to marker

I was looking forward to a full strength Broncos v Souths but now we can't because of this stupid rule.

Gus is 100% correct none of those experts have ever played the game I bet. They are killing the game and turning it into touch footy.

It seems the officials have forgotten this is a FULL CONTACT SPORT!!! We're bordering on becoming touch football at this point!

The game just needs commonsense, If a tackle is a clear hip drop like the Mam/Hopgood tackle, then fair enough, bin him but a pure accidental ‘hip drop’ like the Haas tackle where he wasn’t trying to hipdrop should be excused.

How can we have a genuine winner at the end of the year when games are won and lost on the actions of the judicial system. Players being suspended for actions that are not intended to harm and have been part of the game for years is ridiculous and is destroying the great game of Rugby League. Payne Hass is a prime example and now the game against Souths is derived of one of its headline players because he attempted a tackle FFS

Game is a joke. Different age different game therefore I’m out.

Gus is 💯 how do expect to tackle these monsters When we're playing club footy, they scream out from the sideline tackle around the legs without legs he can't run. It's a shame how the NRL has become soft

Simple answer is to make the genuine, one on one, leg tackle a legitimate way to be rewarded. This can be done by making the leg tackle equal to a dominant tackle, allowing enough time for the tackler to get in position as marker. The leg tackle is a relatively safe tackle when done correctly.

Gus is right If a player tackles between the hips and knees the way a player is always taught to tackle, then these days you are breaking the rules So Gus is right in saying the nrl bosses come out to every club and show them how they want a player to tackle simple

this all started when they started the surrender vs attacking tackle release rules, a tackle is a tackle. The speed of releasing the tackled playing prevents the great leg tackles of old because the defence is disadvantaged. Takes too long to call held on a player who's momentum looks to have been stopped.

I dont often agree with Gus, but wow.. Spot on mate

I understand the high tackle crack down, with all the drama their is about concussion they're trying to cover themselves and re classify risky if unintentional acts. This hip drop stuff i dont understand. There is risk to players legs etc, but that comes from playing a collision sport. Soni Lukes last night and the brisbane ones last week cant be removed from the game.

A good start would be look at union. Tackle them front on from low at hips driving up. Takes the drive out of their feet and brings them down quick. I can't understand why three tacklers all make contact between the nipples and neck. And finally when the runner is nearly stopped someone grabs the knees

Can we just make NRL touch footy? 😂

Watching GU Gould tear the NRL apart is beautiful. Come to union which protects players and gives them the ability to play outside Of Penrith or the gong

The supposed "hip drop" has been in the game for 130 years. Only the moronic NRL could find something to destroy the game with something that has never been an issue.

Solution is simple. Reward the legs tackle. But I thought they already did this a few years back by letting a defender who initiates and completes a textbook legs tackle extra time to hold the ball runner down.

Bring back the shoulder charge

theres only one kind of hip drop thats a penalty. n thats the pat carrigan type

Go back to the 5 metre defence rule.

What about the ref calls held a little quicker, no need to wrestle them down maybe. Or consider a player tackled if he is down but not held. That would promote lower tackles.

Shoulder charge banned, hip drop tackle banned...fewer and fewer defensive options nowadays

Game lost its mojo few years back. Its not Rugby league anymore and it never will be. Rip

Still the best mind in rugby league..Phil Gould. And he's 100% right, the game is being tinkered with by people with little to no idea. Only thing i can see happening is going back to the 5 meter rule.

Try this. Between the ten metre lines at each end of the field , only two defenders can be involved in a tackle. The third man in syndrome is the cause of most of the problems in the game.

Being a mainly union watcher I have no idea what is wrong with any of these tackles. What the hell is a hip drop? Looks like just wanting to stop someone running if your initial hit doesn't.

As myself and probably others also and these guys too, it’s gonna turn into touch footy, cause they don’t know what they want for the game too look like, TELL THEM HOW YOU WANT THEM TO TACKLE BIG STRONG PLAYERS, who might!! Somehow get an offload away TELL THEM

List all the new rules NRL has been introducing since 2016 and determine whether or not they're genuine issues.

Can't we just reset the rules to the 1995 ruleset

Afl having problems with sling tackles nrl a having problems with hip drops ooof tough discussions for the codes

Just change the jerseys Like Gus said 100% cotton jersey =something to grab PROBLEM SOLVED it's like grappling in a uniform or GI Vs grappling in a skin tight shirt Ask a jujitsu player if the jersey size and material makes a difference ??

A lot of these so called hip drops seem to be a result of momentum.

While your at this summit gus, also work on the 20 forward passes per game as well

Gus you 100% right

The NRL Admin should win a Nobel Peace prize if they can make a high speed, high body collision sport 100% safe. Easy win. Just ban the game😅😅

The game has opened up a bit with this rule.

Well spoken Gus but arrogance and pride from officialdom will remain they will not admitt they got it wrong ,they have too much say ,bring back the good old days

The road to hell is paved with good intentions

Hip drops have been happing since the 90s, they way Freddy & Joey carry on about the topic is laughable. Just shut up and get your tackle technique on point & you won’t get penalized.

There was never a problem like this when you could shoulder charge lol now that you have to grab every bloke running the ball stupid things like this happens lol

Gus finally speaking facts 😂

Next step is just to play touch football cos that is where we are heading

Is Gus part of Rugby League or some whining commentator double dipping on high paid club and media gigs? Any casual observer can see modern wrestle techniques have caused the hip drop. The tackler grabs the attacker from behind or the side and then twists the ball carrier using their own weight with gravity pulling them across the lower half of the attackers body. Gus’s other problem is he played in the blood and guts era so sees injury including serious head knocks as just part and parcel of the game. Would love to see him chatting with the Bulldogs management crew about risk mitigation, employee insurance, etc. He can’t just brush this stuff with his duty of care in the modern era

I don't mind Gus but I think your time and expertise should be focused on the bulldogs with that list you should be in the top 5

exactly the people that are running the NRL have no idea how to run the game, haven't been around the game long enough and haven't played.

Super League? Let it go Gus.

The hip drop was invented in Melbourne,along with the Chicken Wing😂😂😂

I’ve never seen so many grimacing faces in the NRL and I’ve been following for over 10 years. The NRL have made these players so soft with the over policing of the game which is leading to more flopping because if you lay down or grimace you’ll milk a penalty which is sad because if this keeps up the NRL will be extinct in less than 10 years. The AFL isn’t going anywhere anytime soon and with these bozos in charge of the NRL the AFL will probably take over

I don't listen to Gus for expert concussion advice, and I don't for the hip drop either.

How do you get them Gus asks Easy slide down their legs like the old day's Don't agree with anything Gus said

Haha wat😂😂its a music thing ts a easy penalty now milk it ,spear hit wat they meed to look at ,they can't explained

And nrl says they are better then rugby Rugby cracked down on high tackles, lifting pass the horizontal, dropping over the legs(hip drop) nearly 10 years ago, you muppets take way to long to evolve,

almost watching union wtf... i'm south african and found something better, now this omg

Guss is gettimg to old he has lost the plot

Y do Gus and crew keep watching the game knowing the game is complete dogshit and it’s not even rugby league in todays world it’s modified touch league Please don’t slap me u rainbow 🌈 lover 😅

Get rid of the stupid hip drop NRL stupid rule 😠

The game has become way to officiated which results in players taking the safest option for a tackle which is the Hip Drop tackle, the reason they don't do it in training is because they don't have Fwit refs pulling them up every 2 seconds for literally nothing so they can go for a tackle that would otherwise be pulled up in an actual game. Like Paul said, they'll never go back on what they've said so they'll just make another rule that creates another problem in the future.

I think u caused it Gus, when every player now is over 6 ft and built like a tank.

Gus mentioned about low tackles a couple weeks ago. If you tackle low around the legs and put them on the ground quick, they get up and play the ball before you get set at marker and then your a man down for a defense thanks to your good tackle. So now no team tries to go low and the wrestle took hold. A way to fix this is to REWARD low tackles and allow the tackler to climb around the ball carrier back to marker. But no. That slows the game down and makes it not exciting anymore...

Gus is 100% right in what he said about all that. The classic "think they know everything" mentality. Armchair experts. That reminds me of some of our politicians. They too think that they know everything at times. Abdo and V'landys should take notice of this. They're the two head honcho's of the NRL. They need to do something about this whole thing.

The biggest problem is the crackdown, they decide they are going to crackdown on something, penalize everything that remotely resembles what they are cracking down on, go way too far and get themselves into a hole they can't get out of. Common sense goes out the door while the crackdown is on.

What a load of rubbish , you fix it by giving each club a $25k fine each time it occurs and that fine is payable by reducing that club's salary cap for next season. It will stop overnight. It was coached to players ,that's how it always starts then others players start copying it. Stop blaming the NRL for what the new way players are cheating. They don't care for each other much do they? They know the damage these tackles can do and they still do it to each other. Slow the game down bring back 5 meter defense's stop defense line moving until the dummy half passes the ball or runs with it.

Well Done Gus, spot on.

You think this a major problem wait until they bring in the ball tracking for forward passes..id prefer less technology when it comes to officiating..I'm sure the bunker makes just as many mistakes as when it was just one ref and two touch judges

Someone explain why Haas and Mam get banned (first offence) yet Hopgood got a fine and his 2nd offence this season?! Makes no sense.

He's the only one talking sense atm

Te Maire Martin's fibula was broken with a hip drop. If it was Kalyn Ponga's leg we would've heard more about it.

Stupid to crack down so hard on head hits but now crack down on leg tackles. Where do the tackles happen if not the legs since the heads gotta be avoided. May as well just start playing touch footy.

Seems we have this discussion every year. There’s a new crackdown every year

I did my knee through a hip-drop tackle but we didn't have a name for it at the time and it was definitely not a penalisable offence. Tbh I'm sort of glad they discovered it because I thought it was a lazy tackle but I could never complain to anyone about it. It was sort of a "tough luck" thing.

Might as well just play touch footy, the players make it worse acting hurt for 10 seconds to get a penalty. Used to play and love footy but don’t bother watching the rubbish now

NRL dead sport in 10 years

Ashley Klein should never be anywhere near a football field . Somehow it’s always the one that is beyond hopeless who gets the big gigs

Go back over old league footage and you will find hipdrop tackles. They've always been there as part of our game. A natural consequence of a tackle.

If rugby league wants to survive and progress it needs to go back ……. The game was better and safer years ago, it was also simpler.

It's the classic case of scope creep. The original hip drop was to stop the blatant tackling of an attacker by a third man that bore all their weight on the attackers legs. Now, it's turned into anything that comes anywhere near the attacker's legs is a hip drop. I think the NRL should go full pelt, and ban every player on every "hip drop" in a game. They will quickly realise that not defining a tackle SPECIFICALLY, will mean teams wouldn't be able to field a team. As it sits, it seems that it you tackle a person from anywhere (even when you're trying to recover), other than front on, and use gravity (aka your and the attackers weight) to get them to the ground and prevent an offload, then it can be deemed a hip drop. There's already been sin-bins for defenders that didn't even land on the attackers legs. Seems like we're getting closer and closer to touch football.

Hip drop in the NRL? If someone's hanging off your hip and you want to keep driving then It's your fault, surrender, protect yourself or cop it sweet.

I said this on another video last week and I'll say it again. The problem is that the NRL is trying to punish every instance of a player getting hurt in a heavy contact sport with athletes who are faster and stronger than the average Joe. Look at every instance they called a "hip drop" in that Broncos vs Parramatta game and other games. The refs are seeing the tackles and no one is seeing a problem in it because they aren't actual hip drops. It's only after the bunker gets into their ear that it's being punished and I'm not blaming the bunker here. They're obviously under instruction from the people above them to come down on it so they don't get their own asses chewed out

Love him or dislike him he’s right. This is a side affect of the modern game.

100% Gus ?

Come on Gus. Bring on Super League 2. Bring back the contact. And Bring back the biff. Think we all know which one would sell better.

You can't but can solve it. It's a contact sport they've been around since the game started. Once the attacking player gets in front of the defender the defender panics so uses his own body weight to bring the attacker down. It's basic psychology. If we suspend every hip drop style tackle there will be no teams playing at all. As much as I hate this idea I think it's a good compromise. Apply the HIA rule to hip drops. If there is a hip drop and a player buckles the ref stops the clock and applies a rough 30 second count. If the player stays on the ground then he must leave the field for the minimum HIA 10 minute assessment. From the attacking player aspect: * this will eliminate the acting floppers waiting for the video ref to find a penalty and a sin bin (then getting up and playing the ball) * if a player needs to go off for a minimum of 10 minutes but can come back on and play then only apply a tier 1 fine on the offending hip dropper * if a player goes off and can't return because of injury but is able to play next round then a tier 2 fine is applied to the offending hip dropper * if a player goes off and can't return to the game but also can't return the next round and beyond because the injury is so great - apply a tier 3 fine to the attacking hip dropper A comprise will stop attacking players staying to milk a penalty and a sin bin (then getting up to play the ball) A fine system will make defenders do their best to tackle in a different way While a comprise between the level of injury and fine applied allows lee-way

I thought a hip drop involved multiple tacklers? Those cannonball tackles were a disgrace and should have been banned. Now they're penalizing one man tackles around the waist.

I think the two teams should meet in the middle. Then flip a coin. Who ever wins the toss, Wins. Nobody can get hurt apart from tearing a thumb tendon. Then the crowd can all join hands & sing Kumbaya.

Slow the game down . Stop making the game touch football. As soon as you slow the game down all this crap goes away. Who the F wants to see scores of 40-30 anyway.??!! The best games are the ones that finish 12-10

Abdo & his mates are slowly turning the game of rugby league into a game of tag. Listening to ex players like Freddy & John's carry on about how bad the hip drop is & it has to be out of the game, just shows what a bunch of hypocrites they are.

Shouldn’t be called the bunker should be called the bonkers . Cause there that dumb the refs absolute disaster ruining the game . Have a bunker and the Storm vs Warriors shows they still can’t get it right and cherry pick what they want to pull up. They really need to be investigated on why they choose certain teams to favour

When I played we only needed two players to tackle , all there teaching players to do is wrestle , allthough I am not a fan of Queensland sides , I always admired Bret Tate , he always tackled around the legs , they came down , all the NRL has to do is a good leg tackle such as Tate preformed , should be rewarded , in so far as the tackler has the right to mark the play in the ball

It would be better if Gus just resign from Channel Nine commentating and apply for a job at the NRL to help fix some of these issues his stressing about.

Play touch rugby then. Ban tackling! Easy!😂

If Adam duohui doesn't make a go at lock when back from injury he will finish his career in England after that magic tigers win he is not a half like he claims

Nrl getting like union ruining a paying spectators sport, i cant stand watching union leaguenis heading the same path.