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Gutless, Harsh & Unreliable? A balanced view of the Kove 450 Rally︱Traction eRag 

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@TractioneRag
@TractioneRag 10 месяцев назад
Our in-depth one hour Kove 450 Rally discussion: all your questions answered! ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-pFyaI9X0fcM.html
@Errol.C-nz
@Errol.C-nz 4 месяца назад
You review title is a little off putting .. good report though .. you DIDN'T defence the exceptional VALUE they're stacking up to be.. will have get an 800 before the Co's quality measures drop with the founding CEO's resignation.. I'd expect being Chinese they'll head down the Chinese cheap cheap crap path very quickly because China can't seem to help it's self break from cheap crap.. I grew up in the jap crap era & now look
@OverlandTheSlowWay
@OverlandTheSlowWay 10 месяцев назад
I have 5,000km on my Kove 450 Rally, riding off and on road across Europe. Its a great light weight long distance off road adventure bike. Has been 100% reliable, zero issues so far. There are better road adv bikes, and better pure off road enduro bikes, but the Kove does both better than any other bike I've ridden.
@michael397
@michael397 10 месяцев назад
kove has 800x adv bike for long trip 😁
@rotor676
@rotor676 10 месяцев назад
KTM 690 is approx the same weight and way more power like the dude says. Other than fuel and wind protection. So for me its not the bike I thought it might be.
@timbrandt7211
@timbrandt7211 10 месяцев назад
@@rotor676well, the 690 cost many $1000s more, so the Kove has better value if you are ok with its power. Personally I have the 690 and love it. With an under seat tank and rally screen it’s a pretty good weapon. But if I didn’t have the money I sure would consider this Kove.
@7x779
@7x779 10 месяцев назад
@@timbrandt7211 that's true, especially if you add the expense and weight of a rally Tower an extra fuel capacity to the KTM you could almost by two coves
@kannermw
@kannermw 10 месяцев назад
I would never consider 5000km the standard for durability and reliability as that is ridiculously low threshold to project long-term reliabilty. Manufacturing or major design defects appear early in life as failures then later based on quality of design and materials due to mechanical wear, fatigue, and environmental factors. Report back when you have 20,000km or more. Until then it is still unproven build quality motorcycle.
@billness2635
@billness2635 10 месяцев назад
Your assessment of the Kove has given me a different but clear impression of it as a bike I’d be interested in considering for my next bike than anyone else who has reviewed it. Well done Dallas! As a devout Kato owner (I currently own a 450exc, 500exc, 690 Enduro R and a 990 Adventure R) that I have ridden and raced in Africa, Europe, Baja, South West US and at home in the Upper 1. I never buy the first generation of any vehicle and would never consider buying a Chinese built vehicle, but this bike is different and worth considering. Quick side note: I’m that guy who put a 5 gallon tank on my 450exc for Africa and immediately regretted doing it! I struggled getting the front wheel up, quick maneuvering wasn’t quick and high speed through desert terrain was puckering! So I only put 2 gallons in at a time.
@TractioneRag
@TractioneRag 10 месяцев назад
I've ridden the 450exc with the 5G tank and it was a handful. Thank you for your kind words.
@nickg2431
@nickg2431 4 месяца назад
i have a 525exc and havent needed the big tank thats sitting in a garage.the standard lasts at least 5 hours unless you are nailing it
@MichaelShaw206
@MichaelShaw206 10 месяцев назад
Still getting to know my Kove 450. It's been poor weather so I'm working on it (heated grips, adjusting the throttle and suspension) more than riding it but I'm really enjoying how nimble it is on the few rides I've been able to do. I'm coming from a Honda 450L and a Yamaha WR250R. It should be a great BDR bike.
@djzadventures
@djzadventures 10 месяцев назад
Firstly, love the dog and the plane!! Made the video. ;-) I've been following the birth of this bike for almost a couple years now and I continue to be fascinated by the conversations it's creating. With the evolution of ADV over the past decade this type of bike is further affecting the trajectory of what we are defining as ADV riding. I think this bike has some serious potential to distrupt people's expectations of what sort of adventures they can do on a motorcycle...without having to spend their kid's college fund doing so. Next video please!!
@dallas_shannon
@dallas_shannon 10 месяцев назад
I think you nailed it with the word "disrupt". If they can get their parts and service sorted, this bike will win significant market share. And... "I YAM YAM YAM YAM SO SO SO SO" 😂 Cheers brother.
@djzadventures
@djzadventures 10 месяцев назад
@@dallas_shannon I am definitely the king of my sofa while watching your videos!!! 😂
@dallas_shannon
@dallas_shannon 10 месяцев назад
😎@@djzadventures
@russpaton8877
@russpaton8877 10 месяцев назад
Great vid Dallas, I see you have come to understand and appreciate the 450cc rally barrier. I think your overall opinion is pretty right on. Ho many Km you got on each bike (just average) I am just over 500km on mine and have not exper8enced any of the little ticks you and others have mentioned but I deleted the charcoal canister system and tanks vent direct. Also moded the rad cap. I have put the bike down a few times in low speed single no issues and one highspeed 50 foot slid with the only damage being a broken signal. I did have an aftermarket slid plate fitted that did obviously protect the tank a bit more in that slid. Look forward to more vids on the Kove!
@Prestonesfpv
@Prestonesfpv 10 месяцев назад
Remember when the Honda VTR 1000 SP1 came out back then a lot of those who tested it went on and on about the poor stiff suspension and cooling problems, those problems disappered when you went a 100 mph or above, its a race bike and it was meant to be driven fast and hard, thats when it flows and does its job 👍
@TractioneRag
@TractioneRag 10 месяцев назад
Bingo. Nailed it.
@RodNeufeld
@RodNeufeld 10 месяцев назад
I definitely find the Kove platform interesting. It is a motorcycle that first and foremost puts the prospect of actually completing a Dakar race in the self supported class within the grasp of many more riders. You can actually buy this bike and not blow 45k USD for it. That leaves a lot of money on the table for parts and entry fees, travel etc. The other is that it is a significant shift in the approach of the Chinese motorcycle market, this in my opinion not only put them on the map as producing a competitive bike in the Dakar (Any manufacturer that starts with 3 entries and finishes all 3 in Dakar is a competitor ) It also transforms them to a very real competitor in comparison to the Euro and Japanese market bikes. The big hurdle for this is now just distribution and parts for the wider markets. I would seriously consider this with my next bike purchase coming from someone that rides a 690 everywhere on or off road including some pretty challenging single track. Great video and I look forward to seeing more on the bike as you develop your thought.
@fireice1997
@fireice1997 10 месяцев назад
I have a CFmoto 450ss and every time I see a video on a Chinese bike it’s almost all the same. It exceeds expectations or comes close. Everyone is skeptical but the Chinese saw a market and they can fill the need. I’m blown away by my 450ss and it’s an awesome bike. I actually sold my zh2 because I was never reaching for the keys to ride it. It ticks a lot of boxes and the only issue people seem to have is reliability. However at least CFmoto offers a 3 year warranty on everything so that’s pretty respectable. Now they’re about to release the 450 adventure and they are also dropping a 675 triple. These Chinese bikes aren’t the bikes you get off Amazon. These are dealer sold and you can bring them to the dealers to get work done. I personally am interested in what they are making because of the price. When there’s competition between manufacturers the consumer always wins🤙🏼
@altergreenhorn
@altergreenhorn 10 месяцев назад
Some KTM engines are producing in CF Moto
@stephenmitchum5864
@stephenmitchum5864 10 месяцев назад
What does the 690/701 have to do with this bike.
@peaceoutvanlife
@peaceoutvanlife 7 месяцев назад
What about service options/dealer network? Any options?
@mototrailz
@mototrailz 10 месяцев назад
Best review on the Kove 👍 Malle Moto category (Motul original) riders work on their bike. The rest (pros or junior pros or even privateer with a team) they all have mechanics. That is why the Motul/Malle moto category is the most prestigious categories to me and many others. Even pros admitted they could not race on that category as they don't know how to work on the bike.
@TractioneRag
@TractioneRag 10 месяцев назад
Thank you!
@0hmventures
@0hmventures 10 месяцев назад
Excellent unbiased opinion and breakdown on this bike. The best I’ve seen yet. Thank you. You’ve convinced me, I’m thinking I’ll pick up the next model year. Let them work out the few minor imperfections. Would love to see a video addressing the suspension and ideas you have for different riding styles. Cheers!
@bobbybecker8834
@bobbybecker8834 10 месяцев назад
This is a well put together video. It seems the people who complain about the power arent even tapping into it. I have yet see a video of someone riding this bike close tl wide open throttle and then say its gutless. It would take a hell of a rider to do so. As you said its the power characteristics that are different and take getting used to
@TractioneRag
@TractioneRag 10 месяцев назад
In the real world I have witnessed only a handful of people who can use the full capability.
@cmbride
@cmbride 5 месяцев назад
Great job on this video Dallas. I learned a lot. We are becoming the Southern Ontario dealer for Kove and I am interested in all the reviews. Your review so far has been the best explained. I enjoy how you bring up a point, good or bad..then explain with an accurate description of how and why you came to the conclusion. Bravo Dallas.
@rtrottier14
@rtrottier14 10 месяцев назад
Dakar has two "divisions." the originals by Motul was formally known as Malle Moto. this is where the rider can't accept any help but for the other competitors. The other division is like any other racing. Your pit crew and spares are only limited by your (or your team's) budget.
@billyhong5071
@billyhong5071 10 месяцев назад
Apart from the Marathon Stage where riders do their own mechanical work.
@1998TDM
@1998TDM 10 месяцев назад
Cheers, I was gurning trying to remember the name of the solo riders class, Malle Moto. It's heart brakingly tough! The racers are in the same human group as the TT racers.
@mototrailz
@mototrailz 10 месяцев назад
@@billyhong5071 They have almost no tools and limited knowledge and limited to 30mins so yes pros don't work on their bikes. Most of them admitted they don't even know.
@billyhong5071
@billyhong5071 10 месяцев назад
@@mototrailz Of course they do if they have a problem. No mechanics and just riders in the bivouac means they either fix their own issues or their race is over.
@mototrailz
@mototrailz 10 месяцев назад
@@billyhong5071 and if problem usually the race is over that is why they are anxious about the marathon stage. Even Toby said once he could not do the Malle moto category and those guys are real heroes of the Dakar.
@crosstrainingadventure
@crosstrainingadventure 10 месяцев назад
Excellent balanced discussion, so much better than the over-the-top 'reviews' from influencers!
@Dagnatic
@Dagnatic 10 месяцев назад
Do you think we’ll ever see the light of these in Australia?
@jasondunn8894
@jasondunn8894 10 месяцев назад
There seems to be a Kove owners FBk page so they must be available but I can’t find any info about where to buy them🤨
@Der_Meikel
@Der_Meikel 10 месяцев назад
Defenitely one of the best reviews I've seen... Keep on going the good work 👍🏻
@JuliandaCostaAndrade
@JuliandaCostaAndrade 4 месяца назад
OMG. This is easily the best, most comprehensive and thorough review. Thankyou for taking the time to explain indepth. Love it.
@Steinerrides
@Steinerrides 10 месяцев назад
As a rider that came from 20 years of dirt before getting on the street, this bike seems a dream. I've had a few dual sports and my issue with them has always been that I usually end up trailering them to where I ride. My local spot is just far enough from a gas station that riding there isnt practical on a normal 2-3 gallon tank and larger adv bikes are too big and heavy for my aggressive riding. This bike really seems to be what I want. Something I can go exploring on and be aggressive while doing it.
@dallas_shannon
@dallas_shannon 10 месяцев назад
This bike was built for you. It is a dirtbikers dual sport bike.
@riendetout8812
@riendetout8812 10 месяцев назад
Excellent review! This confirmed I'm not the target buyer because I'm very much a relaxed, slow off-roader & adventure tourer. It also makes me laugh when people say they won't buy this unreliable Chinese motorcycle and they buy KTM instead, because KTM has their own problems with reliability or QA.
@TractioneRag
@TractioneRag 10 месяцев назад
Well said!
@nathanbanks7091
@nathanbanks7091 10 месяцев назад
I was searchimg for the unicorn ADV bike. I ended up with an AJP PR7. It was difficult to get one in the US. It beats the Kove in every category except fuel range. The only upgrade it needed from the factory was a pair of bar risers and a rear rack. However, I see so much potential with the Kove 450 Rally. It can be mass produced at a reasonable price. That is something that is not possible with my PR7. The Kove will fill a void in motorcycling that no other manufacturer has been willing or able to fill.
@MarkAmodio-j3s
@MarkAmodio-j3s Месяц назад
Great to see the owner of Kove actually a rider/racer and was involved in the development, and it shows.
@marcosepe9956
@marcosepe9956 6 месяцев назад
Great video nothing misleading about your intro at all. I believe the rawness of this bike gives it a great advantage for any rider that wishes to customize the ride for their versatile uses. I believe this bike is underestimated by competitors and it will go a long way in the industry. Having been a former SWM dealer with heaps of disappointment I'm looking hard with much better hopes at KOVE MOTO... Right on Zhang and the boys!
@TractioneRag
@TractioneRag 6 месяцев назад
We have always been curious about SWM but never crossed paths with them.
@theOutbackBerean
@theOutbackBerean 10 месяцев назад
I'm 57 and the weight of most adventure bikes turns me off. If I can't pick it up on my own, in the bush its a long feckin walk home. 🤣 I swapped out my CFMoto 800MT for an older MuZ660 and have no regrets. I'd love to see one of these take on the Australian outback, I reckon we'd break it. 🍺
@gnarlybadger690
@gnarlybadger690 10 месяцев назад
Great honest review, there's been a lot of talk about this bike over the western world. It looks like a complete bargain here in the UK and I've seen some of the other models in the Kove range being shown at the EICMA show and they all look pretty exciting prospects. I think it's going to be interesting to see how this company develops
@TractioneRag
@TractioneRag 10 месяцев назад
Sure is. An exciting offering.
@allanmcdonald4500
@allanmcdonald4500 10 месяцев назад
I have this bike in my garage. It has exceeded my expectations. After the initial break in rides it is currently in pieces getting electronics installed, lights, heated grips, racks, protection and other crap I can think of. This will be my "BDR" hard rides and the tiger 800xc will for the easy ones like WA and ID BDR's.
@themosaito
@themosaito 10 месяцев назад
Are there pannier racks you can buy for this thing? Would you load it up with luggage and go traveling with it?
@ktmtravels3727
@ktmtravels3727 10 месяцев назад
If there aren't, I'm sure Kriega OS luggage/base would fit
@ishgibor
@ishgibor 10 месяцев назад
Really appreciated the way you approached the review. Thoughtful, and with a good bit of historical context. Thank you.
@TractioneRag
@TractioneRag 10 месяцев назад
Thank you for taking the time to comment.
@FreedomIsNotFree999
@FreedomIsNotFree999 10 месяцев назад
Love the way you talk about power delivery .I had my bike for 4 years driving around Asia. It's got power. just need to know how to get it delivered 😮 if right person drive this in Dakar it will be number one😊
@TRIUMPHUS1
@TRIUMPHUS1 8 месяцев назад
I have a 690 Rally conversion and it's my unicorn bike. The Kove is interesting because of price tag and the fact that's build for long distance racing. I am interested about the reliability of that machine. The power is secondary and sometimes it can bring fatigue if someone is not use to it. Nice opinion about Kove, I personally have no issues about a Chinese build bike, when Quality and Reliability are on point.
@inrptn
@inrptn 10 месяцев назад
This is exactly the kind of review I've been waiting for. I'm very very interested in this bike, but I'm taking my time considering all my options before I pull the trigger. I will stay tuned for your upcoming videos on the Kove. Thank you!
@TractioneRag
@TractioneRag 10 месяцев назад
Glad I could help!
@kuladeeluxe
@kuladeeluxe 10 месяцев назад
Very good take on the Kove Dallas. With an 8 gallon gas capacity, it should be a touring bike.
@gianlucajandelli6387
@gianlucajandelli6387 10 месяцев назад
Good video. I agree with your view. Looking forward to other videos on the Kove.
@holden3083
@holden3083 10 месяцев назад
👍This is what the drz should be now! Hopefully Suzuki will actually change it now? It’s funny how a Chinese company out of nowhere is producing a rally bike like this, but no other company is…. Without spending at least another $5 - 10k. Be quite interesting to see what the reliability is going to be like over the next 12 months. Plus if it’s going to be a one off bike or is it going to stay in production.
@ADV_Agenda
@ADV_Agenda 10 месяцев назад
Great breakdown, I can't wait till they are available in California ✌️
@davidsnipes7297
@davidsnipes7297 7 месяцев назад
Well that was a nice talk about the bike, thank you. As for the “problems” look at the KTM 790 first year release list of problems. Oh and it seems as if the KTM TFT screen fogging never really gets fixed… I’m no “made in China” fan but isn’t everything made there now (or close to it)? This bike reads like they were listening to the community that said we want a 450cc, 325 pound, 250 mile fuel range, fuel injected, adjustable suspension all arounder. This checks lots of boxes. Enjoyed the video.
@kagg8888
@kagg8888 10 месяцев назад
Excellent video. Good mix of riding shots and Dallas’s face 😂
@DoRC
@DoRC 7 месяцев назад
You know the race is good when finishing is an impressive feat!
@garthlundquist3623
@garthlundquist3623 10 месяцев назад
Nice work, Dallas! You have shared a very thoughtful discussion of this important new entry into the off road market. Many of your comments remind me of my 1997 KTM 620 Adventure. I’m sure the Kove vibrates less and has a much lower center of gravity due to the fuel tanks location. I really appreciate the background information about the Kove founder and CEO. His journey is remarkable. Many dream, but he has persevered and brought the machine to production. I wish Kove success in both racing and in the market. Riders have been crying for this “unicorn” type of bike for some time.
@osimnod
@osimnod 10 месяцев назад
Hey Garth, you have the precursor to my 640 Adventure (2003 and 2007). Yes, the 640 vibrates but not as bad as I was led to believe. It's not going to enter the Dakar Rally but ought to tackle a BDR as well as any other DS rig and better than many. I'm intrigued by the Kove, too, and think it's sparking a realization for the other majors to sharpen their pencils and fire up their 3D printers.
@robertmansell3667
@robertmansell3667 10 месяцев назад
Interesting bike for sure,one of the things that puts me off here in the UK is dealer network and after sales or should I say lack of them,even Aprillia Husqvarna etc are poor compared to Japanese but at the moment I’d say the Kove is in a class of its own.
@BradB6910
@BradB6910 10 месяцев назад
Good honest and balanced insight, I am not on the market for a Kove but appreciate the way you did this review. TY
@Weltbummler23
@Weltbummler23 10 месяцев назад
Was so interested in the kove but in the end came to the conclusion its a rally bike, whereas im looking for a dual sport. Unfortunately the kove just doesnt meet my dual sport needs, for example 1) weight: theres no reason that a modern 450 dual sport should be 320lbs dry (and kove keeps publishing this wrong as curb weight), my dr650 with a lithium battery and gsxr exhaust probably is lighter. 2) maintenance intervals keep changing, originally claimed 5k mile oil change, currently 1k mile oil change/valve checks (see current manual), and next year they are gonna move it to 3k mile oil change. When theres already some uncertainty about the chinese reliability, makes u wonder about whats really going on. 3) tuning - makes 50hp and gets 45 mpg. In contrast the new 390 from ktm is 45 hp and will likely get 60mpg, will require less fuel and be lighter and lower fuel cost for adv rides. The kove is tuned for racing and the ktm (will be tuned) for adv riding. Cant wait for that new 390 to get in a more offroad oriented bike. 4) no mounts for normal style pannier racks. Not clear if that type of rack can even fit. For these reasons ill pass and stick with dr650 for now.
@tieoneon1614
@tieoneon1614 10 месяцев назад
For what most people are doing with this bike, they are better off modding a DR or XR650 for what they ride...but they are fancy and think they need the latest/greatest and got fooled by the hype of this bike.
@GerbArcega
@GerbArcega 10 месяцев назад
that's such a good point, there's a big interplay between power and reliability
@wravenant
@wravenant 10 месяцев назад
Great video. Love it. Your question/comment that you have to look after and service your own bike in the Dakar. That is only accurate/true for a certain class, the Malle Moto class. In Malle Moto you have to service your own machine and are not allowed outside assistance of any kind. Other Malle Moto competitors may assist/help you. You also only get one "trunk" for spares, and you can only use the spares you have packed. It is the "original" way of doing the Dakar, and by far the toughest. In Dakar 2023, the American Rally Originals, 5 American rally riders, all tried to be the first to finish the Dakar in the Malle Moto category. Only 1 finished the race, and succeeded in being the first American to complete the race in malle moto, Mo Hart. #unpackingrally
@utahdesertrider1806
@utahdesertrider1806 10 месяцев назад
Interesting perspective. I’m a moto enduro guy so I don’t feel I want an adventure style bike. But what you say makes sense.
@BeatPatrol420
@BeatPatrol420 23 дня назад
For anyone complaining about the power on the Standard version... due to Euro 5 regulations they had to numb it down. Get the 3-piece kit: factory titanium exhaust + factory ECU + factory Air Filter. Welcome to Kove Airlines.
@cyclemoto8744
@cyclemoto8744 10 месяцев назад
Love your perspective on the bike. Certainly a different view than what I have seen to date. Cheers from OZ
@TractioneRag
@TractioneRag 10 месяцев назад
Glad you enjoyed it
@jamesandthedualsport7622
@jamesandthedualsport7622 10 месяцев назад
In the team class you have mechanics working on you stuff when you get back to the bevi, it’s the mollie moto class that has no team and has to work on the bike on there own so he also can get help from other riders in that class but your pretty much on you own
@allenhuling598
@allenhuling598 10 месяцев назад
Great review, Dallas, appreciate you guys compiling your research in a very honest way for the rest of us! I've no interest in changing bikes anytime soon, but if Yamaha had come out with a WR 450 R like I had hoped, I probably would have gone with that rather than the Tenere that I am enjoying now. Your review makes me think that this bike would be a great compromise between the two! Ride safe!
@TractioneRag
@TractioneRag 10 месяцев назад
Nailed it - the Kove is somewhere in the middle.
@jeffreystivala3386
@jeffreystivala3386 10 месяцев назад
Great video and very honest in my opinion. Thanks, looking forward for the next ones 👍
@rodconrad8304
@rodconrad8304 10 месяцев назад
That may very well be the BEST motorcycle review I have ever watched. Great job, looking forward to more.
@TractioneRag
@TractioneRag 10 месяцев назад
Humbled. 🙏🏻
@ericbraun4652
@ericbraun4652 7 месяцев назад
GREAT review! Really great perspectives. Comparing the power of a 450 to something that has 50% more displacement is unfair. What I'm stuck on is the fact that the Kove weighs as much as that 690! It should be down below 250 lb like other 450s. It weighs too much. That is what is disappointing to me.
@TractioneRag
@TractioneRag 7 месяцев назад
It really doesn't feel heavy when riding. I know that sounds nuts but we all felt that way.
@sarahdell4042
@sarahdell4042 10 месяцев назад
I’d you come from a dirt bike background, and aren’t a slow rider you’ll appreciate the suspension on the Kove. I’ll take a less aggressive motor for longer service intervals
@TractioneRag
@TractioneRag 10 месяцев назад
Nailed it.
@doolittlegeorge
@doolittlegeorge 10 месяцев назад
Love my gutless Honda NC700 and that truly is that...just happens to be a great motorcycle. Can't speak to this machine but the pursuit of "unicorn bikes" for this type of riding has left a lot of really great parts in the parts bin apparently. Soooo not into the prices of current machines but can't deny the improvements over previous machines.
@Wyoutside
@Wyoutside Месяц назад
Enjoyed this video as I’m interested in the bike. Good thing for me is I’m maybe 2-3 years out on purchasing so unless they fail miserably, they should only improve. That and I just bought a used 450exc to relearn on. Being 45yo and off bikes for 15 years, I don’t have a 30yo just out the Army body any longer. I’m not an “enduro rider” like I thought I might be. This looks like it’s more tailored for my (suspected) style. Thanks for your thoughts.
@TractioneRag
@TractioneRag День назад
Great DS bike with a looooog range.
@dualsportoutdoors
@dualsportoutdoors 6 месяцев назад
I'm a bit skeptical on the reliability. I saw two at my local OHV park. Both were broken within an hour of coming off their owners' trailer. One's engine blew up. One's frame got badly broken. They weren't ridden hard either. The riders were new riders and rode the bikes very slowly on easy trails. I also saw a couple reviews here on RU-vid where there were clutch problems and issues with the suspension adjusters breaking after a few uses. It's a shame because I was looking at this thing as a TAT bike but I'm going to sit back and watch it closely for a while longer before I grab one. I carry a survival kit on my bike but that doesn't mean I want to use it because my engine popped while I'm 150 miles out in the middle of nowhere
@BrianDoherty-e8s
@BrianDoherty-e8s 10 месяцев назад
Excellent insightful review of this bike. The reliability vs power makes sense. The only thing that did not seems true was the backstory about the poor motorcycle mechanic in China who dreamed of racing Dakar and then designed this bike. This seemed like BS from a PR company. More likely it was a state sponsored corporation that trotted out the poor, genius mechanic as its human mascot for their product.
@dougnash6316
@dougnash6316 10 месяцев назад
Great comments on the Kove. Where did you buy these bikes? GPX in the US? 👍👍 Only the Malle Moto Dakar racers have to work on their own bikes. The rest have teams that do everything else. The sections are long but not 900 kms.
@russpaton8877
@russpaton8877 10 месяцев назад
BC dealer is Motomotion Canada in Penticton
@MrEtnorb
@MrEtnorb 10 месяцев назад
spot on, and riders like Toby Price go at approx 180kph at times.
@russpaton8877
@russpaton8877 10 месяцев назад
@@MrEtnorb According to Toby himself top speed is 160km
@russpaton8877
@russpaton8877 10 месяцев назад
OK another vid from him shows 177kmh but if you watch Dakar you know the top speed is limited to 160kmh and the Kove does that, ask me how I know
@MrEtnorb
@MrEtnorb 10 месяцев назад
Great to hear some logical comments re this new bike. Re those glitches he mentioned, they sound like easily fixable things in a first edition. Hats off for the visionary owner to do something that Japan has never, and will never do, namely cater for a market demanding a lightweight single hard core dirt bike. The only thing i doubt we will see is a Kove winning Dakar with a Chinese rider. If you don't have one of the top 15 hard core rally riders you can't win Dakar.
@GranXian669
@GranXian669 10 месяцев назад
Now they have Mason Klein... and a new bike too. We will see!!!
@Jackofafewtrades
@Jackofafewtrades 10 месяцев назад
I liked the video. Good review, balanced take. We need more of those on the interwebs. But there's something wonky going on with the framerate and shutter speed of your camera. It looks like the shutter speed is too fast for the video framerate. If you're recording on a phone, maybe it's time to get a compact camera that will let you lock off the shutter speed for video and add a neutral density filter over the lens to balance the exposure for less juddery footage? Again, minor gripe, loved the video.
@TractioneRag
@TractioneRag 10 месяцев назад
Good point. I am definitely not a tech savvy but I appreciate the input.
@Jackofafewtrades
@Jackofafewtrades 10 месяцев назад
@@TractioneRag Thanks for not taking it as a jab. Many people aren't tech savvy. No need to apologise for it. If you do get a camera, look up the 180° shutter rule for video. There are a bunch of camera sites that explain it way better than I can haha.
@maxflight777
@maxflight777 10 месяцев назад
An American who apologies for pronouncing a name wrong … max credit to you sir ! best wishes, great video. You deserve more subscribers. You re not verbose !
@TractioneRag
@TractioneRag 10 месяцев назад
Canadian Maritimer. We barely know our elbow from our arseholes.
@davidmatthews3093
@davidmatthews3093 10 месяцев назад
I would never comment on the power or torque of any new bike the first time I rode it. That’s simply because the first time I ride any new bike I don’t ask it to produce it’s maximum power or torque, those figures will be asked for more than 1000 miles down the road. I’m currently running in a new Chinese motorcycle. My first impressions were that it’s beautifully built and that impression survives a detailed inspection. My first ride was about 90 km back from the dealer and my, subjective, impression on that first ride the engine was already beginning to loosen up and felt as though it could be asked to pull from lower revs than at the start. Now approaching 500 km it’s better still. More kilometres and a couple of oil changes and I will know exactly what I’ve got. It sounds to me as though you wanted the performance straight out of the crate.
@TractioneRag
@TractioneRag 10 месяцев назад
We are trying to break this bikes... fast. Winter is coming.
@alanwade2962
@alanwade2962 10 месяцев назад
6:43 Only the riders in the Malle Moto class have to do everything for themselves. All other riders have a team behind them. Excellent review, I hope they grow from strength to strength, I like supporting the underdogs. “To this day, even though the Dakar Rally has outgrown it’s humble origins, it still retains the Malle Moto class for those who seek a pure test of spirit and endurance. One man. One bike. One box of tools. 12 days and 10,000 kilometres of hard racing.”
@TractioneRag
@TractioneRag 9 месяцев назад
Thank you. 🙏
@kai-uweoch1159
@kai-uweoch1159 10 месяцев назад
One mistake in the video regarding bike maintanace in the Dakar.. Yes, there is the one class were riders need to take care of all repair and maintanace every day after the race stages. The name of that class has canged over time, wasn`t it " Original by Motul" or something like that recently? Malle Moto before that. Also they normally have only one large box with spare parts and tools available. Lyndon Poskit competed in that class and it must have been hell, even for a very experienced rider and mechanic like him, because there is very little time left every day to sleep and recover. Watch his videos! Kove did NOT compete in that class to my knowledge. Instead they had a team of mechanics who took care of the bikes every day, with basically unlimited access to spare parts and repair time. So from that point of view the Dakar is NOT a reliablity test for all bikes, because the majority of bikes just need to make it through the next stage and a mechanic will already be waiting to fix any issues.
@VietnamMotorbikeTours
@VietnamMotorbikeTours 10 месяцев назад
great vid .. l am finding these bikes very interesting and keen to test one back home in Aust
@Pompomgrenade
@Pompomgrenade 9 месяцев назад
Excellent. Mild mannered bike review 👌 My CR 125 is awesome off-road with 2 gallons... My GS 1200 is awesome. Everywhere with 8 gallons😂 My Dyna was a monster everywhere, torture off pavement. I want a trial machine, as immature and see the Kove 😑as wisdom and tolerance mating isolationism racing down the highway to hell 🏁
@RabidWombatz
@RabidWombatz 10 месяцев назад
An effective analysis. And yes, my KTM 450 exc IS intoxicating, but I don’t ride it anymore (I’m not in the open spaces of Mongolia now), instead I ride a BMW 850gs. Comfort, reliability.
@jeffreygumz7140
@jeffreygumz7140 10 месяцев назад
A motorcycle is a universal...it does not have a nationality but a spirit of ambition...love... conquest and simply living and have fun....I want to have this bike....I hope it will be available soon....
@TractioneRag
@TractioneRag 10 месяцев назад
Love your attitude and perspective.
@rideswift
@rideswift 10 месяцев назад
So many people get obsessed with big power and don't put enough emphasis on suspension. I'd rather modest useable power and a good chassis with great suspension. I'm an aggressive rider and always set my suspension on the stiff side, most of my friends say its a bit too stiff, but I can hit just about anything and not worry about harsh G outs.
@jonelliott9627
@jonelliott9627 10 месяцев назад
Ktm makes a 450 too....all I can say is remember Hyosung...reliability will be measured over 6 to 12000 miles. Not by journalists brief rides
@ogasi1798
@ogasi1798 10 месяцев назад
btw people, the none start after a drop seems to be fixed every time by turning off the bike, then turning key back on, allowing system to reset and then bam, starts
@marcpigeon7796
@marcpigeon7796 10 месяцев назад
Great review , as usual for TractioneRag 🏍️🇨🇦
@TractioneRag
@TractioneRag 10 месяцев назад
Thanks! 👍
@peaceoutvanlife
@peaceoutvanlife 7 месяцев назад
Where do you get them serviced though or are you on your own?
@TractioneRag
@TractioneRag 7 месяцев назад
On our own for now.
@hitmanhite8958
@hitmanhite8958 10 месяцев назад
What I am hoping is this bike will force other manufacturers to follow suit on what some of us previous motorcross turned late middle aged folks are lookin for in a bike. What do I want? A capable off road bike with a higher fuel capacity in the right places and wind protection on the road. Like than man says, running the 6.6 gallon Safari tank on my 525 is disgusting, and getting there is painful. 175 miles between NMBDR points is no joke, and semi aggressive riding depletes a 3-4 gallon tank pretty damn quick. I am subscribed and interested until a orange, red, or white bike has similar capabilities and features, which I am 99% sure if this thing sells like I think it will, we will get.I can’t wait for one of these to complete the tour of Idaho, that will guarantee open some of our eyes.
@armandblake
@armandblake 7 месяцев назад
I don’t care where they are from. The founder is clearly a passionate individual and his team ended the Dakar. I can have nothing but respect for who has that kind of love for motorcycles
@megaloss389
@megaloss389 10 месяцев назад
Great informative view on this new motorcycle! So far on almost every Kove review, almost everyone argues whether it is for adv riders or motocross/enduro riders but noone really mentions if that machine is appropriate for beginners or someone who wants to ride off road with 0 experience in that department. Would the Kove be a somewhat right choice or would it be intimidating for such a person?
@TractioneRag
@TractioneRag 10 месяцев назад
Glad it was helpful. We run an off-road tour company and I would not put an inexperienced rider on the Kove. I would put them on a 300L Rally to get them off on the right foot.
@MERMBRAMA
@MERMBRAMA 10 месяцев назад
​@@TractioneRagyes, but in comparison with a typical 450 enduro bike, Kove is much more gentle in low revs. Very user friendly.
@markmcarthy596
@markmcarthy596 9 месяцев назад
I have a 168cc from China, used on the mean city streets of St Louis. It’s actually a Honda that’s made it through American rules. It’s a Baaad Mofo. Solid-nothing can beat it in its category. Made in June 2023 and already over 5000mi. of Me trying to push its limits, not even a rattle
@garytong3395
@garytong3395 10 месяцев назад
Great, informative video. Thanks for your efforts. I'm a big GS adventure bike, big kilometers guy, looking for something for the trails.......this could be it?
@mrjay4000
@mrjay4000 10 месяцев назад
KOVE is building a new 2024 Dakar bike, 450 Ralley EX, which has 11 more ponies(65) 5 more ft lbs torque & is 38lbs lighter. Why? Because they finished Dakar but now really want to win. This hp is where it should be. Apparently, they can be ordered with only a production run of 50 at 2.5 times the price of the current base model.
@ivorscruton5121
@ivorscruton5121 10 месяцев назад
What was said about the first Yamaha entered into an endurance race, from the movie, On Any Sunday. " Here comes a motorcycle, made by a Japanese piano company, and thats probably the last Yamaha they will bring over here". Here being the U.S. Similar criticism was made about Honda cars, whose laughing now. Given time improvements will be made, very few get everything right on the first attempt. As for comparison to other motorcycle types, there are tradeoffs, nothing is perfect in all situations, therefore compromises have to be accepted.
@TractioneRag
@TractioneRag 10 месяцев назад
Great comment. I grew up in the back seat of a Datsun (Nissan?).
@Kantuva
@Kantuva 10 месяцев назад
Man... Would love to get one now I wish it comes to my country soon enough
@Yourfriendwasmagnificent
@Yourfriendwasmagnificent 10 месяцев назад
Given it's a 6 speed, struggling to lift the front in 3rd would suggest it's definitely down on torque. Back to back dyno runs with other 450s would be interesting.
@GCTO239
@GCTO239 10 месяцев назад
Great video!
@davidc1961utube
@davidc1961utube 10 месяцев назад
IIRC the Honda CRF 450L had a fair number of issues on release, and that was freakin Honda! If Kove can be no worse overall, that is an achievement. Personally, as I go up in my 60s, I am more and more inclined to spend my money on lighter bikes. I am OK with slower if it picks up easier.
@kloppskalli
@kloppskalli 10 месяцев назад
I am surprised about the "low" power issue ... there was a review of a guy who raced it vs 500cc KTMs and it did so well that he said he would sell his 500cc KTM to get the Kove
@dallas_shannon
@dallas_shannon 10 месяцев назад
Questionable at best. Not sure that is the case...
@lhurst9550
@lhurst9550 10 месяцев назад
Great review! Think you hit the target.
@fozzy1717
@fozzy1717 10 месяцев назад
I've had my kove 2 and a bit months no issues at all, race ECU and titanium exhaust system fitted
@TractioneRag
@TractioneRag 10 месяцев назад
Did the race ECU make a difference? We've tried three difference ones so far.
@fozzy1717
@fozzy1717 10 месяцев назад
​@@TractioneRag hi not rode it since fitting it , hopefully will in the next few days, busy in work and a combination really shit weather in uk
@fozzy1717
@fozzy1717 10 месяцев назад
​@@TractioneRagI wil update though once I've rode it, it's very loud with the race exhaust
@toine0002
@toine0002 10 месяцев назад
Awesome video thank you!
@jmanzitti
@jmanzitti 8 месяцев назад
Man this was an awesome video! Thank you!
@TractioneRag
@TractioneRag 8 месяцев назад
Glad you enjoyed it!
@orpaztron
@orpaztron 6 месяцев назад
Excellent and smart review. Thanks
@TractioneRag
@TractioneRag 6 месяцев назад
Glad it was helpful!
@squid148
@squid148 10 месяцев назад
I like the bike, but would be apprehensive to purchase based on dealer networks and parts availability.
@elafricano2995
@elafricano2995 10 месяцев назад
nice one, very true thinking, by the way the BMW is thirteen hundred or thirteen thousand? 😀 ( joke) thanks for the good point which I share a 100%, hopefully we get Kove in Europe soon
@whocanmakeyourwholeweek7272
@whocanmakeyourwholeweek7272 10 месяцев назад
still watched the whole vid. but winced every time you said da-car. ive been brought up hearing dak-ar. 👍
@TractioneRag
@TractioneRag 10 месяцев назад
No doubt I'm wrong but imagine if I had an Aussie accent. 😳
@whocanmakeyourwholeweek7272
@whocanmakeyourwholeweek7272 10 месяцев назад
@@TractioneRag i suppose theres no right or wrong pronounciation, maybe we both wrong.
@Weltbummler23
@Weltbummler23 10 месяцев назад
On the trials-enduro-dual sport-adv spectrum, im really confused where these rally bikes fit in… wide ratio long gears like an adv bike, fairings like an adv, they dont do luggage racks well, stiff suspension like an enduro, medium/short maintenance intervals , heavy for a dual sport, its almost off the spectrum in a different dimension than the typical spectrum we think of. Im a dual sport guy and i can tell u, its not for me, i dont think its in that category.
@jamesgnarkill3112
@jamesgnarkill3112 10 месяцев назад
I've seen a glimpse of the kove 800 and it looks promising
@chiliboom6140
@chiliboom6140 10 месяцев назад
I’ve heard after watching many reviews, they are a high rpm beast. They run their best in the higher end.
@radleytube
@radleytube 3 месяца назад
From this video, I think it's great what this Chinese man has done. That was him riding the old bike? And he's went on too build this, the bike looks the business. He will probably produce even better bikes after this one. And a great result in the Dakar. Well done China
@corail53
@corail53 10 месяцев назад
These things are developed in the same factories as ktm and kawi engines - they are using unbranded and licensed spec engines from both brands. So it is no a surprise they are decent runners.
@garrisonboyd1701
@garrisonboyd1701 10 месяцев назад
The Baluga in the background lol
@twowheeledadventuresuk2739
@twowheeledadventuresuk2739 10 месяцев назад
Doesn't this bike weigh something like 145kg dry? So that's way heavier than most of the dual sport bikes such as the CRF 450L (130kg wet). So it's gonna be over 155kg with half a tank of fuel, which takes into the 690/701 weight. So the weight issue for me isn't where the weight is, top or bottom heavy etc, it's if you have to keep picking it up all day because you are riding technical terrain, so it's still 155kg you have to pick up. If I was doing Dakar type riding and needed a massive fuel tank then I could see myself going for something like this, but for just normal trail riding where does this bike beat a KTM EXC 450 or a CRF450L? I've put a larger tank on my 450L and that gives me a range of between 120 and 150 miles depending on how I ride, which has been more than enough for average trail riding trips. Doing a longer trip to Portugal and Spain next year, about a 1500 mile round trip, which means no dropping the oil. What I'm struggling to get with this bike is where it fits in. Why get this instead of say a Husky 701, especially with the 701 you can very easily get parts, plastics, parts and plastics from mates, parts and plastics from mates at races - yes the Kove is cheaper, but does that make it on the whole worth while?
@TractioneRag
@TractioneRag 10 месяцев назад
It is HEAVY but mostly liquid weight. If you don't need to go long distances (or don't want to) than the 450L may be a better choice. The Kove is not a bike for riding technical terrain. A very good rider with long legs can do it, but pick a different tool for that job.
@ashleymarkrhodes1571
@ashleymarkrhodes1571 10 месяцев назад
Very good review, and a decent bike. However, can we get past the fact that it comes from the DRC (with the emphasis on the 'D')? Are we not interested in the concept of saving American, UK and Western European jobs? Do we really want to directly, or indirectly, want to support a regime that seeks to subjugate us?
@TractioneRag
@TractioneRag 10 месяцев назад
This is such a great comment. This needs to be considered and is a complicated discussion.
@gbner9991
@gbner9991 10 месяцев назад
Everything else is coming from China already and nobody complains. Evidently they are now even bringing inovation to the market, unlike many other manufacturers releasing the same 5 bikes over and over again.
@gladegoodrich2297
@gladegoodrich2297 9 месяцев назад
What was that flying across the sky behind you?
@TractioneRag
@TractioneRag 9 месяцев назад
A super guppy. Google it.
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