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@anitathompson3928
@anitathompson3928 Год назад
I love watching you all having family time together , I would love to have the chance to come to Romania some day, my home is filled with pretty things from there, I suffer from lupus but you all give me such happiness makes people like me to get up and watch y'all and enjoy our day years later after these videos I continue to enjoy y'all having fun, god bless you such a beautiful family
@shree709
@shree709 Год назад
Few years ago, when the Roma (Gypsy) Taxi driver in Frankfurt to my amazement almost understood my conversation with my wife in the native tongue of Rajasthan, a north western state in India, I decided to work on this and find out how. Since the Taxi Driver understood the language of Rajasthan, I went through the history of Rajasthan or Rajputana as it was originally called and discovered that there was a huge exodus of the tired soldiers of the army of great Rajput King Prithviraj Chauhan around 1050 AD who, as the history says, fought 17 wars with Mohammed Ghauri. Most left with women folks leaving empty villages. Most Roma belong to the fine Rajput warrior caste and others were farmers called Jat who also were in the army. While the great king was keen on continuing battles, many soldiers did not want to fight more wars and stayed at home. For a Rajput staying at home during war was a stigma. They were taunted for staying home at the time of war. Therefore, as a folk song of Rajasthan says, they left their native land in groups. They left from no other part of India. Some went west and are called Gypsies or Roma now and some went down to south India where they still are in their red and yellow color clothes and with huge moustache. You can see them on google by clicking “Lambada in south India ". I am from Rajasthan but live in south Indian city of Hyderabad and hence see Lambadas daily. I was further shocked again when our Gypsy (Lambada) maid mostly understood an old Hungarian Roma lady talking in Romani about Nazi atrocities on a BBC program on TV while I understood it by reading the English captions. Apparently, the two ladies 9000 miles away now spoke same language spoken about 1000 years ago in their land of origin. We being from Rajasthan still use many of their words. On the way to west, Roma took words from Persian like bibi and many other tongues including Greek (drost for road) and from Armenian and so on. Also, few joined them on the way from Sindh, another Indian province, now in Pakistan. They are still called Sinti within Roma and words like laklo, lakli, chavo are from Sindhi. They somehow lost their surnames of fine Rajput warrior clans. Roma may try to find surnames like Sisodia, Chauhan, Shekhawat, Nainavat Rathore, etc. However, I found only one exception in Poland. One Roma has Mirga as surname which he said was not Polish but Roma. Rajputs have a surname, Mirdha. I am sure this must be same. But they kept first Indian names until 19th century like Amos Bihari and his daughter Panna Cinkova, both great Roma musicians from Hungary. Panna meaning Emerald is a pure Rajasthani name not used in other parts of India. You may look in Google for “Panna Cinka . If they were not Indians, why otherwise would they have Indian names in Europe in the year 1711? Today Roma use many of the words from Rajasthani (or Marwari) and Hindi, both of Sanskrit origin. Few are ek do trin nak(nose) bal(hair) angusth(finger) bersh(year) diwas(day), prabhat(morning), gandh( smell)sassu,sussro ( mother and father in law, from rajasthani) saalo , Sali (brother and sister in law) from Rajasthani) chora(boy) chori(girl) cior(chor, meaning thief)) gia sov, thalle, upral purano( old) dukh, kasht, tato, langhal(lame) maang, des, lajja and so on. About half are from Rajasthani and rest from Hindi both of which originate from Sanskrit. I know hundreds. There are thousands. Luis Mori, another Roma has sent me a huge list of Romani words which I match with my Roma maid's vocabulary. Sometimes grammar has changed to European style, like we would say sov gia and Roma would say gia sov. Same meaning though. Has slept. Also, all Indian languages including today's Rajasthani has two yous, one for Junior and one for senior. Romani and the language of Lambada even today have only one you which is "tu "used for Juniors and for very close ones which must have been so 1000 years ago. Romani words are from pre-Muslim era in India and hence pure Sanskrit like hiv (him in Sanskrit) for snow or ice is used while we in India now say barf which is Persian. Please go to the following in to see more. “Romani an Indian lost Language by Adriano, an Italian Roma from whom I have learned much and also“Roma girl from Kosovo goes to India" All Roma had mustache which was necessary for Rajput warriors. Purity codes of Roma were till recently practiced in India like Roma breaking the plate if animal licked it. My mother used to give the plates to beggars if our dog ever licked it even once. Also, food once served on table but not eaten does not go back to Fridge or saved for eating later. That is why death rate within Roma during great European plague was so low as claimed by scholars. Roma had also carried our proverbs like "while choosing a daughter in law, believe your ears more than eyes” meaning reputation of the girl's family was more important than her beauty. Another common proverb is “If the road is crooked, you can't walk straight. Roma eventually lost their religion, quite understandably but Sara kali of southern France is a Hindu deity of Goddess kali favourite of Rajputs. The deity is immersed in water body every year like we do in India. The Vatican has not recognized this deity as it has no link to Christianity. Romani also has an unusual word & quot;trishul & quot; from Sanskrit and Hindi meaning a spear with three fingers. This spear is associated with Hindu God Mahadev or Shiva and the war cry of Rajputs Regiment in India till today is & quot; Har har Mahadev. Please see on You tube "Dr. Ian Hancock: Keynote Address at Romani Studies Conference Dr. Hancock who is a Roma makes very scholastic analysis of Romani history from European side. He successfully dismantles myths like Roma are old Jews or from Egypt or came from within the earth. He establishes that Roma indeed came from India. However he has not said much about which part of India are they from and which language from India they speak. He only mentions "Indian Language" while there is nothing like Indian Language. We have hundreds of languages. India had hundreds of independent kingdoms. Rajputana, as Rajasthan was called then had many kingdoms too. Prithviraj Chauhan was the king of Ajmer in central Rajasthan from whose army Roma came. He also links Romani with Sanskrit while truth is that Romani has words from Rajasthani and Hindi alone both of which originate from Sanskrit. Romani is made of languages which have Sanskrit base and not directly from Sanskrit. There are many words in Romani which none else from India except those from Rajasthan will understand like tato meaning hot. He also says Roma are Doms who burn dead bodies which is certainly not true. Doms live about 1000 miles away from Rajasthan and are dark skinned. Many Roma have come to Delhi and Jaipur in Rajasthan to get their DNA tested and were doubly assured of their Rajasthan roots. Also, one may see Romani Dances in India-Kalbelia of Rajasthan which is same as Flamingo dance of the Roma. Even the dress of the dancers are same. As a student in the US during seventies, I saw some slightly brown students speaking language somewhat familiar to me. They said they were new Roma migrants to the US from Spain but I did not know about Roma at that time. I have received many mails from some Roma stating Roma were Doms and untouchables from India and so on. This should not be true. First, there are no Doms in Rajasthan. Second, Roma who came to south still have mostly Rajput surnames or Gotra and very few Bhil (a jungle tribe, but soldiers too) surnames. Gotras or lineages dont change in India. Third, down trodden and timid would not venture leaving home to travel thousands of miles and fourth, Doms are very dark even for Indian standards while Roma are not. Fifth, Romani has many war related words including a word for prisoner of war as Dr. Hancock says. Only a martial clan would use and keep alive these words. There should be no doubt that Roma are our lost pral and Pena (We would say pra and behna). Hats off to them to keep the language and culture alive even after 50 generations while humanity in the entire world now melts away in two generations. I am in contact with many European Roma from whom I gather some new facts time to time. I have also gathered the above information from history of Rajasthan. For more information you can what’s app me on +91-9440805300. Shriprakash Loya
@justinefafard2355
@justinefafard2355 11 месяцев назад
I'd recommend the film Latcho Drom, which documents the history of the Roma as they migrated West from Rajasthan. It's a beautiful piece of work filled with lovely music. ❤
@user-lz9ut5fw4l
@user-lz9ut5fw4l 7 месяцев назад
rajistam
@bayougypsy
@bayougypsy 12 лет назад
I absolutely love and adore this family! The little girl is a sweetie and has beautiful eyes and smile
@coffeewiththeunknown8302
@coffeewiththeunknown8302 4 года назад
Bless your family! Lovely girls 🙏❤️🔮🇷🇴
@serapugurlugil9214
@serapugurlugil9214 7 лет назад
i love gypsies they are happy people we have gypsies in Turkey call them Romen citizens, their dance (Romen havası) is the best, a bit similar to this dancing 😍
@zinzi4831
@zinzi4831 7 лет назад
Serap Ugurlugil Havasi??? Its a Hungarian word....
@serapugurlugil9214
@serapugurlugil9214 7 лет назад
what does it mean in Hungarian?
@hammered0184
@hammered0184 6 лет назад
A proud, beautiful people who refuse to bow and scrape before the rest of the world. From Amerika I salute you!!
@MikeJones-vi6mx
@MikeJones-vi6mx 5 лет назад
Stup peasants
@emaconstantinescu728
@emaconstantinescu728 4 года назад
Felicitări! Ai găsit un comentariu în romănă!
@kyriljordanov2086
@kyriljordanov2086 3 года назад
These are some really clean Gypsies. I'm half Gypsy. The little girl looks like my oldest when she was that age.
@MonacoPoker
@MonacoPoker 6 лет назад
I don't know why but i love this people.
@danielbroache
@danielbroache 7 лет назад
This family has some wonderful genes. Very pretty.
@longliveindia4841
@longliveindia4841 5 лет назад
@@whymustyoudisagree9158 then you dont know india India is the country where chinese , european, arabic, turk persians mongolian you can see Blue eyes green eyes hazel eyes bron eyes everything but as you are poor dumb so you cant visit india so stay with your t.v
@gabrielamironov193
@gabrielamironov193 4 года назад
@Ashish Bagade yeah😂
@gabrielamironov193
@gabrielamironov193 4 года назад
@@whymustyoudisagree9158 nowbody it ugly in ghid world..You are rasist and your hearh is verry ugly..,🤢🤢🤢
@gabrielamironov193
@gabrielamironov193 4 года назад
Daniel Broach You right..You are a Nice and pretty hearth😍😍
@gabrielamironov193
@gabrielamironov193 4 года назад
@@longliveindia4841 You are right..i hate the fucking rasist...the indian people..afghani..arabic..is also person..nowbody it perfect..but You Say all right bere..happy dau😍😍
@MyStoryNotYours
@MyStoryNotYours 11 лет назад
Beautiful family. I love their enthusiasm and pure happiness. :D
@ela7590
@ela7590 9 лет назад
bravo!! super!!!! spasibo!!!
@raduturloiu6532
@raduturloiu6532 5 лет назад
Ue f
@Nenad484
@Nenad484 7 лет назад
Music from Gadjo Dilo...Adrian Minune....Nice
@Angus1966
@Angus1966 12 лет назад
Wish my family was still together , modern day feminism broke my family up , seems family values went out the window for a lot of people in places like America , Australia ect. I love to see happy familys like this.
@FirasMohamed96
@FirasMohamed96 6 лет назад
this is the power of simplicity. god, bless them.
@annamanushi8882
@annamanushi8882 5 лет назад
Oh and that little girl😍😍😍😍she took my heart❤❤❤❤
@MonoDde
@MonoDde 9 месяцев назад
Wow they're very pretty. I wish we got to see the parents, they must be a very good looking couple.
@invinoveritas6859
@invinoveritas6859 2 года назад
When you have family,you have everything !!!
@shree709
@shree709 11 лет назад
Our lost brothers from Rajasthan, India, where I belong.
@JasonFerguson1283
@JasonFerguson1283 3 года назад
Ah! Those beautiful dimples! Gorgeous family!
@user-zv5ky5kd7d
@user-zv5ky5kd7d 5 лет назад
So lovely girls! May they be happy all their lives
@kaj-nagibe
@kaj-nagibe 7 лет назад
Such adorable children.
@rhiannawagonerrw
@rhiannawagonerrw 7 лет назад
Aww such a beautiful family
@NOOR5083
@NOOR5083 11 лет назад
very good dancer
@kimberlylewis8148
@kimberlylewis8148 11 лет назад
Im glad to know my people still follow tradition :)
@izfuckinguka
@izfuckinguka 6 лет назад
Frumos dans si fetita e superba. Ce melodie e asta ?
@lorainebaird
@lorainebaird 11 лет назад
Hai Romale! What a beautiful family! You all are blessed!
@natalka261
@natalka261 4 года назад
Beautiful girls
@georgiospoupos5781
@georgiospoupos5781 9 лет назад
einfach schön wie sie tanzt und sich vom herzen freut,göttlich
@hipretty
@hipretty 9 лет назад
Gadjo Dilo pe televizor :-D Frumos familie!
@amymarie8305
@amymarie8305 6 лет назад
Wow nice to see different dance
@flo9486
@flo9486 6 лет назад
Amy marie 👍esti romanca ?
@amymarie8305
@amymarie8305 6 лет назад
No Irish traveller I am
@georgekelly5233
@georgekelly5233 5 лет назад
+Amy marie MY BLOOD IS REAL ANCIENT NATIVES IRISH BLOOD AND ANCIENT NATIVES SCOTTISH BLOOD AND I'VE BEEN IN AMONGST ROMANIANS ROMA SINCE I WAS A LITTLE BOY IN 1974 IN ROMANIA AND MANY OTHER COUNTRIES "" 102 TIMES ABROAD AND 49 DIFFERENT COUNTRIES I'VE BEEN IN ALL OVA THE WORLD MY FULL LIFE AND I'VE BEEN ALL OVER ROMANIA MANY TIMES AND IN IRELAND AND SCOTLAND THE ANCIENT NATIVES FIRST BLOOD IS THE REAL BLOOD" TRAVELING IS LIVING JUST ASK ME I'M WELL TRAVELED AND I'VE BEEN AMONGST IT ALL ((MOST PEOPLE'S COULDN'T DREAM OF MY LIFE BUT THEY ALWAYS HAVE RACISTS AND BAD TALK ABOUT EVERYONE'S EVEN THERE SO CALLED FRIENDS
@rojavaroj
@rojavaroj 10 лет назад
Love Gpsy people..They dont care about WHO you are ! Just a People..
@alinadamen3815
@alinadamen3815 2 года назад
SUPER.
@user-lz9ut5fw4l
@user-lz9ut5fw4l 7 месяцев назад
😅
@carlaalgustamarcelino2130
@carlaalgustamarcelino2130 Год назад
Frumoasă fetele
@camilleri99
@camilleri99 12 лет назад
From the info that i found there are about 200,000 in romania.. and they migrate from bessarbia.
@puppetken
@puppetken 9 лет назад
Beautiful people! Beautiful culture!
@richardpalfitibor221
@richardpalfitibor221 2 года назад
A kislány várja a zenét. Gyerekek egy tünemény. Az én kisfiam szintén szereti a zenét
@stefygipsy1307
@stefygipsy1307 4 года назад
Binee maaa 😍 ca la noi la nimeni 💪
@olamasri2289
@olamasri2289 7 лет назад
they are beautiful!😍
@flo9486
@flo9486 6 лет назад
Vola 👍
@etvincenzo
@etvincenzo 4 года назад
GORGEOUS GIRLS!!!!!! GOD BLESS YOU
@TanveerAhmad-kx9ml
@TanveerAhmad-kx9ml 5 лет назад
So cute girls beautiful
@franzkwant2085
@franzkwant2085 5 лет назад
love you
@conni-switzerland9515
@conni-switzerland9515 6 лет назад
Beautiful woman, and beautiful smile ❤😘
@kanvrn
@kanvrn Год назад
А девки хорошиии! Лапочки - зажигалочки...!
@shree709
@shree709 8 лет назад
I have never met a Gypsy but can understand many words of Romani. ek do trin bersh, diwas, pehn, pral and so on We use them too.. I am from Rajasthan, India.
@jordanbogdan
@jordanbogdan 8 лет назад
yeah you right even for "hair is similar Hindi , ": bal -hair , chai-girl ... and many more . I have a lot Indian friends . I'm from Romania
@shree709
@shree709 8 лет назад
+Olivia Olivia yes. Their language is our language and we still have those words. They left India around year 1050.
@shree709
@shree709 8 лет назад
This dance is also originally Kalbelia from Rajasthan India. Pl see on youtube.
@shree709
@shree709 8 лет назад
I am only saying about origin of Roma. Hate is an individual attitude.
@katyb610
@katyb610 7 лет назад
shree prakash Loya gypsy r from there
@TheGamingChad.
@TheGamingChad. 9 лет назад
They are rich as fuck holy shit, i just noticed that 16K prototype tv in the backround
@iulian3335
@iulian3335 8 лет назад
+andre johnson stolen tv u mean?:)
@TheGamingChad.
@TheGamingChad. 8 лет назад
Andrey Deyu a gipsy tried to steal my bike when i was 12 at the beach, my dad was at a coffe bar and busted that fucker getting on my bike lol
@penetrateur4497
@penetrateur4497 8 лет назад
I'm a Refugee Loool, same to me, when i was 10 years old, but he escaped, my bike was tied to a tree
@radunastase7901
@radunastase7901 6 лет назад
Clean and beautiful home.
@nancyiona333
@nancyiona333 10 лет назад
We gyspies know how to smile in the face of adversity.
@netherialneth6662
@netherialneth6662 9 лет назад
***** best answer ever. Bravo sister.
@netherialneth6662
@netherialneth6662 9 лет назад
***** i know. i trully like your answer.
@netherialneth6662
@netherialneth6662 9 лет назад
***** i m ok , how are you?
@netherialneth6662
@netherialneth6662 9 лет назад
***** :-)
@netherialneth6662
@netherialneth6662 9 лет назад
***** Greece,you?
@pacmanknock-outs9344
@pacmanknock-outs9344 4 года назад
Esta ermosisima la niña que chulada de jente
@rooussbejarano5922
@rooussbejarano5922 2 года назад
las chicas rumanas son muy hermosas recuerdos desde España guapas
@therapeuticmusic0
@therapeuticmusic0 Год назад
Son romanies (gitanas)
@mirakhanakakhelafghanistan348
@mirakhanakakhelafghanistan348 6 лет назад
nice
@loisornus3936
@loisornus3936 4 года назад
así baila nuestra chakira
@BosiMarika
@BosiMarika 9 лет назад
I love it. Good bless you
@Mongooseguy1
@Mongooseguy1 11 лет назад
Meaning I like the dance......
@auroreboreale9163
@auroreboreale9163 7 лет назад
sinteti frumoase
@rubythompson599
@rubythompson599 2 года назад
God ruby thompson 😂🤣🤩🤣
@delatorre3943
@delatorre3943 8 лет назад
muy bonito baile
@flimsyjimnz
@flimsyjimnz 2 года назад
Hello all the way from New Zealand -such a happy family If my girlfriend would dance like this for me I will be so happy!
@evajuarez4325
@evajuarez4325 11 лет назад
:-) nice
@francogobetto7925
@francogobetto7925 4 года назад
Beautiful muzica e dance tiigani !!!
@tony6d2x2
@tony6d2x2 12 лет назад
Que lindas todas!! Parecen figuras de porcelana!! Lindo! Viva Rumania!!
@chrigen1768
@chrigen1768 4 года назад
They are not Romanian.
@invinoveritas6859
@invinoveritas6859 2 года назад
I have to go to Romania from Cambodia and steal me a Gypsy woman !!! ;))))
@suetodd1173
@suetodd1173 6 лет назад
💓 beautiful babies, blessings
@user-lz7dn2zg7t
@user-lz7dn2zg7t 6 лет назад
Sue Todd blessing all gipsy with killer
@igorkozar7951
@igorkozar7951 5 лет назад
Bomba wauuu nice
@dannystanley6918
@dannystanley6918 10 лет назад
Old country .wow thats special !!
@1970illeszsolt
@1970illeszsolt 8 лет назад
Beautiful children !!! taves bachtalo!!
@hart3650
@hart3650 7 лет назад
в точь в точь как в фильме я думала таких нет
@alexvred1660
@alexvred1660 5 лет назад
Brava 👍👍
@Angus1966
@Angus1966 12 лет назад
Very sad indeed. Such fun to dance.
@heidihorvat1
@heidihorvat1 9 лет назад
I am Croatian - American gypsy dance too to the music!!!
@kathycostello938
@kathycostello938 4 года назад
GOD bless from all the goma in America. Your family is beautiful 💃🥃🥃🥃
@oanabaranga7590
@oanabaranga7590 4 года назад
The most romnian gipsy are very rich, so for you knowing
@maxprintscreen4972
@maxprintscreen4972 3 года назад
They don't look rich at all 😥
@phoebejones5519
@phoebejones5519 6 лет назад
Why are u showing the little girl off like that??! God bless her. People will be cursed with death that is without a doubt, for abusing children and encouraging others to do the same. Don't put your child on display like that. It's sick
@rooussbejarano5922
@rooussbejarano5922 4 года назад
Frumuasi chicas Rumanas os quiero
@lunaartemisa388
@lunaartemisa388 9 лет назад
Son muy bellas hermosas
@vikingdrummer9140
@vikingdrummer9140 8 лет назад
tare
@rojavaroj
@rojavaroj 10 лет назад
can someone write about Which city is here ?
@arbonac
@arbonac 11 лет назад
Pretty girls.
@lunafringe10
@lunafringe10 4 года назад
this room is very clean, congratulations, Even if you re not rich, you can keep your place clean, its a start,
@AgentMo55ad
@AgentMo55ad 11 лет назад
Take them home. :))
@rooussbejarano5922
@rooussbejarano5922 2 года назад
@andreeausn
@andreeausn 4 года назад
Servus fetelor ! Sunteti frumoase toate 🤗
@reynaveronik
@reynaveronik 9 лет назад
que linda familia
@mariabologa2942
@mariabologa2942 5 лет назад
It's not a gypsy dance, it's a comedy, I do not know why the Hungarians identify themselves with the Gypsies! Is it to their advantage ....?
@Freakadadisc5136
@Freakadadisc5136 9 лет назад
Nice Famillie!
@manuelmejia8506
@manuelmejia8506 5 лет назад
Megusta mucho como vailan saludos
@robertbraden4454
@robertbraden4454 4 года назад
there is a calm self confidence about these girls.
@herewegokids7
@herewegokids7 5 лет назад
So similar to hula!
@smithcarmen1439
@smithcarmen1439 5 лет назад
frumoasa familie Dzeu sa va ajute, ,,
@zoeyathan3470
@zoeyathan3470 6 лет назад
Im Roma gyspy
@kostasmostas5896
@kostasmostas5896 6 лет назад
Zoey Athan 😍😍😍😍😍😍😍
@samarsamar6451
@samarsamar6451 6 лет назад
Zoey Athan Me to gypsi
@MikeJones-vi6mx
@MikeJones-vi6mx 5 лет назад
He gypsy have you ever fvcked a rapper?
@dordelucas431
@dordelucas431 4 года назад
Te aves bahtali 🤝
@rafetdemirovik19
@rafetdemirovik19 9 лет назад
bravo bravo is rafael
@gii23able
@gii23able 12 лет назад
frumos zau bravo taica sa traesti
@erikasevelova997
@erikasevelova997 6 лет назад
Súper
@janardhanpathania3578
@janardhanpathania3578 11 лет назад
JEK BUT BUT SHUKAR O ROMANO KHELIPA !!!
@dodototo8886
@dodototo8886 5 лет назад
EU Alex, wie have not Cantry, my cantry is the World. I m Gipsy from Serbien ,and Jm living in Germany.
@vikykostic2917
@vikykostic2917 8 лет назад
Die ganz kleine hat ein liebes Gesicht, tut mir aber leid 😟
@chrissterio6095
@chrissterio6095 10 лет назад
@xclaudia1987x is right roma ar gypsies im Rroma we prefered to be called Rroma romanian are gypsys also
@cristinawithoutanh6704
@cristinawithoutanh6704 10 лет назад
Romanians are not gypsies. People from Romania are called Romanians the same way people from France are called French. Gypsies are called rromas. This are two separate things. Don't confuse people with your "beliefs" if you don't know what you're talking about.
@HN-wp7be
@HN-wp7be 9 лет назад
+KeillaSellay Gypsies are members of a race of nomadic Indian origin. It belongs to the Indo-Aryan branch.There are two main trends on the origin of this language. One of them argues that comes from the north-west of India or originating Darda. Romanian are latin people like french, english, italian, etc. Please study this and then talk!
@peachymins2419
@peachymins2419 7 лет назад
+CristinaWithoutAn H Yesss
@tirpitz19
@tirpitz19 12 лет назад
No ,they are not romanians.And about their origins ,i am trying myself to find it.Unsuccessful so far.Being white ,i am guessing ,they might be remnants of the last 2 great migration over Romania ,the Pechenegs and the Cumans. But is just a guessing.
@batiarmenio8633
@batiarmenio8633 6 лет назад
Frumos😅😅😅😅
@XxXFarFromPerfectXxX
@XxXFarFromPerfectXxX 6 лет назад
beautiful only our grave belongs to us not the country
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