Its nice to come back and see old videos. Kailey is sadly missed by many viewers. She was just so sweet and innocent tiny. Poor thing didn’t understand why mom wasn’t there emotionally there for her. Thank goodness for Ruby and her sister.
Wow, look at how grown up Spanky has become suddenly! Motherhood has done her quite well! Poor lil baby crying and wanting her momma who just passes by her as of she doesn't exist. Shes prob hungry, I would say. Hope mom takes her back soon... I mentioned I'm new but have been watching a lot of your past vids trying to catch up on things. The monkeys you record seem so much more calm, mellow, well mannered & peaceful compared to other videos I've watched on here. It's amazing the difference.
I agree💯% Those videos from Cambodia are just pure torture, Those people are cruel and evil... Those poor monkeys are screwed from the day they are born.😪😢😭 Their government should put them all in jail or better yet make them do community services like CLEANING UP THEIR TEMPLE'S AND SURROUNDING AREAS. They should take some pride in their country and Most importantly protect their wildlife. They are horrible people to do the things they do to animals over there.
@@debbiepotwin6260 it won’t happen! Because they get lots of money from utube and they hate these animals to start with! They ltaoff about us stupid caring Americans!
I’m almost positive it’s a ordered anting or “your family in this troop get the boot.! I’m gonna get her attached to me because I can’t have kids I’m taking yours!!!” As Gypsy follows and stays in Kayelee sight she’s hoping she will get tired of the wining and give her back. I think the babysitter knows what she’s doing so she keeps running or walking elsewhere with Kaylee Gypsy is nervous she dotes on Kaylee, and Kaylee is a mommas girl! Gypsy May have fits of frustration with her but I think she favors Kaylee above the others. Gypsy would be gone doing whatever out of sight if she pawned Kaylee of on a legit babysitter. Her cries are upsetting Gypsy u can tell. The babysitter is babysitting against Gypsy’s will. Gypsy knows her place. Besides the babysitter is one of queen bossy’s daughters. If she fights her on anything she would be punished
That look she gave at 21:10 right after your deep sigh, Arroz 💔💔💔 This was all before Kaileys fingers were bitten and videos of when Gypsy was particularly vicious to her it was unbearable to watch. Thank goodness for Aunt Rudy...she knows what Gypsy is capable of and she has cared for all her kids
Omg... That poor, sweet little thing looks so sad. She's absolutely adorable. As awful a thing it is that she's crying, she has the cutest little voice. You can see how sad she is... The look on her face and in her eyes says it all. One look at her and nobody can argue that monkeys don't feel the same emotions as we do. You can clearly see by her behavior that she isn't just hungry or scared. She isn't panicking or struggling to break free and isn't having a tantrum or freaking out like they do under those conditions. The poor little thing just wants to be with her mother and paid attention to by her. She's just sad that her mom doesn't want her. I know monkeys have completely different values and behaviors, but I don't understand how any mother with so called maternal instincts can listen to her baby cry for her so incessantly and just ignore it. You have to wonder what's going that poor bbys mind... Crying for her mom and getting no response while seeing other babies being held by their mother. Towards the end you can hear the desperation in her voice.
Whether Gypsy's behavior is the result of pathology, upbringing or just her own tolerance for cruelty is something we will never know. While the neglect in terms of nutrition is a large piece of it, I am sure that Kailey will survive. Knotty and Knitty both did, so it is likely that Kailey will also. It is the cruel way she does it that is the most painful to all of us watching and that is her propensity to stay close to her baby while totally ignoring her, ignoring her cries and not caring anything about Kailey feeling loved, safe and cared for. There are a lot of lower ranking females and they do not do this to their children. They take their children with them and show them how to forage. If it is a case of not having enough milk then she doesn't need to allow Kailey to be on the teat all the time. Babies can learn when they are able to nurse and when not although I would argue that given Kailey's age she should be allowed to nurse more frequently. The length of time that Gypsy leaves her babies with aunties seems excessive but given the time we see them it could actually be relatively short. Her children grow up to be independent and in the case of Knotty and Knitty, they don't spend much if any time around Gypsy. You can tell from the clip of Knotty when Gypsy was sitting about 5 feet from him and he wasn't being held by an auntie, he still made no effort to run to her. He sat there with the saddest look of a baby who knows he isn't loved. He knew not to run to her. He knew she would ignore him and his little heart couldn't take that. Whenever that clip plays I always want to reach through the screen and give Knotty the biggest hug. Anyway, Gypsy is going to be Gypsy and sadly there is nothing we can do about it.
deborahdoesscrap EXCELLENT COMMENT. The first part of video didn’t even show us how Gypsy was five feet away and it doesn’t appear mom runs off, she just takes a break. He could also be crying for the same reason that monkey holding him turns around when that camera gets to close to them. He’s very close as we can tell by how well we hear the baby specifically crying. It sure seems like her last baby 🍼 would take a sip in a heart beat if mom would allow.
I would almost agree entirely with your comment. The only part I differ with is regarding the time that we do see them. There is no reason to believe that gypsy is more attentive and caring when the camera isn't around. She's simply a terrible monkey mother, both Knotty and Knitty show signs of their troubled childhood. She should be fixed.
@@jamessimms415 From over 200 hours of study and research and adding several years of following both "the real wild" and Monkey Hill this seems to be a more common problem among these primates. This does happen in the real wild jungles but I doubt to the amount we see here. Often in the jungles another mother might take this baby and feed it. Some females are just not cut out to be mothers. I AGREE this one needs to be fixed.
Gypsy definitely has a pathology. Her baby is hungry. It's interesting monkeys have a mothering deficit. I wonder what her mother was like. Thanks for your studies and bringing them to our attention.
this video shows many of the things i have been saying. rudy never let kaily go to be with mom. no matter how much kaily tried to get away. Gypsy would never fight rudy. if rudy would have just let them be this type of thing wouldnt have happened. rudy has a thing for baby girls and this shows it. gypsy was always left alone as long as it was a boy. here comes baby kaily and rudy is in every way keeping her from mom. gypsy had no choice, rudy kidnapped kailey. it clear. if gypsy really left kaily as you thought she would leave completly but if you look back gypsy was always right there behind them., next to them, or under them just waiting for rudy to let go. i think we can all agree if you mute this video you can clearly see that rudy did not let kailey go. if she would have gypsy would have taken her baby girl. then to have all hire rankers sitting there including bossy gypsy would never ever just walk up and try to take or fight rudy for her daughter. she inched closer and closer till she was literally feet from them and rudy refused to let her go. rudy clearly sees kailey want to go with mom, and sees gypsy there, looks directly at her yet refuses to let kaily go. everytime gypsy came rudy would grab her and move. that is kidnapping
That is so cruel. Poor baby has to sit and watch her mama who's only a few feet away. That's heartwrenching. Kailey's desperate little coos and sad little eyes staring at her momma trying to get noticed.😪
I know….it’s torturous to feel unwanted by mom, I can’t imagine if gypsy kids didn’t have Rudy and krissy….if gypsy would do more. Poor kailey is always suffering starving, if arroz had given some of Tina constant treats to gypsy and skinny too, they don’t steal food from own babies .
Janice Koranda why is she allowing her baby cry like this? Could this have been a kidnapping situational matter. Is she attempting to weani her baby . Could it be she have psychological issues like some humans do?
Gypsy's old and tired and has had many cute kids with this same pattern. She doesn't have the pill or a choice in having them. Sad the authorities can't catch and spay her. Sorry Kailey.
This vo is breaking my heart 💔 I love your vos & your photography, also care & love for these critters u always film them with respect. I wish that the vop in the parks had your compassion & respect for the 🐒 🐒 especially when filming the mothers with there babies 😍 Thank u for being you.😉
I hate how she treated knotty made me very sad for him. It’s not about the milk it’s being held and feeling someone in this crazy cruel world loves me all beings need that! It’s critical to how they develop emotions and how the baby applies them to the real world.
Out of all the baby monkeys roaming about and playing, why is Kailey the only one being restrained? Looks more like kidnapping than forced aunting to me.
@@faithmoore3243 I do, too. Primates have long been considered the closest to mankind in their behaviors and ability to comprehend. That said, Gypsy may have what we would call psychological or mental problems. Sometimes spot on...other times far from it. As a PsyD, certain behaviors stand out.
Oh no, Kailey is not looking well at all! She is showing early signs of starvation and dehydration. Is this worse than with her other babies? Did you ever see any of the other babies get this bad and left at such a young age for such long periods of time? This is very sad! Thanks for your great videos Arroz! Be safe!
Hearing her cry with Gypsy practically teasing her is heart wrenching. Rudy loves her but cant feed her...... I wonder why Gypsy's mental state seems to be so off and up and down. Feel sad for Kailey. I know its nature, but as a mom, it wrenches at my mommy heart.
To be fair, most babies cry when they get dropped off at daycare. What's the difference? This "tantrum" was miniscule compared to others by other babies
Katherine Ashley Any form of sterilization is bad. Let Nature run it’s course. Gypsy had no say as to what rank she was born into as did Kailey or her boys. It’s probably learned behavior from Gypsy’s Mom who probably did the same to her & is just a method of survival. I don’t understand why Tina was given a free pass born into the same situation but Gypsy’s widely condemned. There are human Mom’s who are just as “bad” but I never see any condemnation of them. Cold & brutal but that’s the way it was intended to help the strongest survive. It is what it is & humans should never interfere like the Chinese have.
I’ve realized while watching AMs videos backwards to not judge Gypsy. Like many human mothers, she’s doing the best she can. Who knows what mental traumas she’s dealing with (monkeys have them just like humans too). She could have PTSD, postpartum, depression, etc. Her life is hard and who knows what all she’s been through. Kailey at least has family members around her who love her and care for her. Gypsy may have her issues, but she does come back. She won’t let her baby starve. If she didn’t, there are other moms who would feed Kailey, but her sisters can teach her to forage. What is actually sad is that Kailey is being denied her mothers love, affection and attention. That’s what she wants most like all babies.
Gypsy's a great mom, but she's also extremely low rank so she has to work harder to forage her own food for herself. She probably didn't let Kailey nurse as much because she didn't get as much food but also because she knew that there was aunts nearby to help nurse her. You can tell in other videos that Gypsy gets tired pretty easily since she's always out trying to find food. It is sad that Kailey passed but it had nothing to do with her mom, she did her best.
It breaks my heart to hear that beautiful baby cry like that on video, I can't imagine how hard it must be for Arroz to see it in person, as much as he cares for all these monkeys.
Shon I don't believe it is just the nipple that she wants, though depending when she last ate it could be, but it is also the security of being around their mother. Not sure if you have notice but babies around her age when they turn their head away from their mom will grab a hold of her first and also they go out so far and really not that far and then run back like they are taking up on a base. They climb all over her, snuggles in her chest, snuggle the side or her back, just needing that touch. And even though she is getting gentle living care it is not her mom.
@@MaryMartens-hp1zm Yes, it was Tina, that's why Arroz talked with the feeders and got them to give her extra and to give some directly to Teeny or she wouldn't have survived. But Tina never mistreated her babies any other way. I use to have to skip half of Arroz's videos because Knotty broke my heart crying for Gypsy even more than Kailey did.
Karen Adams of course and we know she is alive but she is quite thin and even though we’re not suppose to compare, she *SEEMS* to nurse less often that the other babies and she’s with Aunts more often than others. I’m usually the 1st one to take Gypsy’s side but Kailey is so thin.
You are referring to a round up in which they fix them so they can't reproduce, right? Why do you feel that males should be in the next round up? Just curious, why males instead of females?
@@annsko4661 I understand, but I'm thinking that wouldn't slow down reproduction. I would think since the females will get pregnant from one male or the other, if they fix some males, the females will just get pregnant from whatever male isn't fixed. Does that make sense or am I missing something? I don't know a lot about these animals.
Thank God that Rudy is so faithful, kind, and caring or that poor baby would be a much worse car wreck than she already is! Poor Kailey and poor Rudy!!! It has to be wretched to be the "aunty" in this case =(
Rudy won't let kailey go. Gypsy is almost always close. Why people cant see this is beyond me. Gypsy is low rank. If it was just babysitting kailey would get to move around more and go play. But it's not and she cant go a anywhere. Not 1 step away. Gypsy gets closer Rudy moves farther.
How distressing it must be for her to see Gypsy so close yet so far away. It not only deprives her the comfort of nursing, but also prevents interaction with the troop and playing with the other babies. It really is puzzling, as she has acted in a similar manner irrespective of her babies sex. She must be susceptible to a similar condition such as PND. It’s rather naive of us to think otherwise. Let’s just hope it’s both less severe and lengthy.
Post-partum hormones? It’s a shame that Kailey does not have the personality to pursue mom and try to get what she needs. Kneely still “bugs” mum. Where are the yearlings that have been so interested in the babies? Why aren’t they there with Kailey? Is it that the “aunt” took her and Gypsy is hovering nearby waiting to get Kailey back? It’s not like with the boys, where Gypsy disappeared and was no where to be found, she’s right there...even looks like she is following the Aunt! Who is that Aunt?
Because there's nothing she can do except be complicit, and wait until the kidnapper gets bored. If she tries to take her back forcefully she'll get them both hurt.
I've always liked animals, but these infant macaques bring out the worst in me. Those whistles and screeches make me livid! It's F'd up, but I've watched every video on RU-vid that I can find of them terrified, being abused, suffering in any way. I know everyone will tell me what a terrible person I am, but that's the thing, I've NEVER been that guy. I've spoken with lots of others here in RU-vid comments who are exactly the same. I wonder what the psychology behind that is all about?!
♥️♥️♥️♥️♥️ She is soo adorable! Gypsy isn't well off like Bossy(just look how chubby little Bubby is!) Cause Bossy is as high ranking as it gets! I think Gypsies milk bar fries faster!
Some of the noises are just too friggin adorable. I don't mind their mac attacks. I just love it when they squeak and fidget and start bouncing all over the place.
Kneely did not look much smaller than the other babies that were learning to wean. (I just watched that video.) What happened that made her not feed Tiny, Bobbin and Kailey. She just about abandoned Kailey well before weaning time. You and the other feeders kept Kailey alive.
Could it be a function in how well Gypsy is doing feeding herself and how well her milk supply is doing satisfying her babies? If she is having to expend more energy foraging to produce enough milk to keep her infant from being fussy and demanding it might affect her behavior with said baby.
After seeing Rudy not wanting to give Kailey back - in another video - and it seemed that Rudy did the same thing with Knotty at least once, I’m wondering how much of the situation is Gypsy abandoning and how is it Rudy not wanting to give the babies back. At least at this age. Knotty looked to be around the same age. Rudy holds on to her like a kidnapper. Gypsy did tell her that she wants kailey back but Rudy moved away. So I think Gypsy is getting a bad reputation at that time.
She’s being kidnapped by high ranking members for some reason. I seen dolly and d.d. do it to Dana and Daniella only five days after she was born and did it till she was killed.
@@Sully-zc8bn There seems to be a difference between kidnapping and babysitting. If you go back to when knotty was a baby if he got away from his sitter and found Gypsy she would bite him and take off. She would however come by and take him for a feeding and then dump him again. It does seem like she is hanging closer with this baby though so maybe it is kidnapping. IDK
This little one is so darn adorable! I dunno how anyone could abandon her. Thankfully she has amazing aunts that don't mind stepping up and caring for her. Now that's real true love. This female taking in someone else's baby and loving her as her own. It's something you would t expect to see in the wild yet it does happen.
Well whatever the case just don't let her die if malnutrition and if need be get her and take her to a sanctuary or keep her just don't let her die starve to death she is already to thin and depressed give her some soft foods ahe is just a little baby
I was thinking about that but Im goin through it myself. Sometimes u do need a little help and she could have been dealing with this a long time. we have no way ofknowing
Kailey's face at 5:52 says it all! I thought Knotty's face was so sad but just look at Kailey at 5:52 and following - who says animals don't have emotions!
Kailey and Gypsy I seen together on nov 1, and everything is find with them. Out of 24 hr period we only seen 21 mins of video. I’m sure all is well with Kailey.
she was kidnapped by Rudy you see her mom near them the whole time everytime rudy moves she moves and thats why the baby crying because she sees mom right there
No doubt there are people who probably think we are overly invested in the welfare of individual monkeys but it’s hard not to.as they seem so much like us in many ways. I realise it’s important to remember they are wild animals and that we can’t judge their behaviour by human standards plus we are only getting a brief glimpse into their lives but I’m still curious to know if it is Rudy or Gypsy who is the mainly responsible for the long separations between mum and baby. I assume Rudy is higher ranking than Gypsy but a few times it does look like Gypsy attempts to get Kailey back but doesn’t try too hard. Poor Kailey does seem quite thin though.
But I worry for Kailey as she is super skinny and looks malnourished. Knotty looked healthy that is the difference here. You can seen every bone in her little body protruding. very sad :(
I would love to raise kailey bless her heart she looks like she is on the verge of starvation. Im not sure why gypsy is acting this way but it just seems so cruel. Monkeys are some tough ass animals im sure she will be fine
This is clearly a case of Gypsy's indifference and a sterilized female force aunting, aka kidnapping, poor little Kailey. If this continues for numerous hours each day she will not last another couple of weeks! This is very concerning. It just shows how much the sterilization program disrupts and damages a troupe!
Why is it crying so much but not even trying to suckle? I cld understand if it tryed and got pushed away, but as yet I've not seen it try once?and the its irratating me more than mother
She's such a beautiful baby! It looks like Rudy won't let Kailey go to Gypsy when she's near. Is it forced aunting and Gypsy just doesn't care enough to get her baby back?
She was awful to Knotty. She wasn’t all the great with Knitty. She was ok with Kneely. Full on crap with Kailey. Gypsy is a schizoid. Luckily her babies seem so grow up healthy and independent despite her.
9:17 ... Oh she is such a whore! (Never in a million years did I ever think I’d say anything like that about a monkey), but jeez.... She just really pisses me off. I suppose it’s because I’ve witnessed (thanks to Arroz) some of the most loving, caring, and nurturing mums on Monkey Hill over the years. So I know how unusual this type of neglect is. But it’s not unusual for Gypsy. This is what she does. I suppose I’m so upset because we thought she was getting better. So to see her act like this is like... "oh c'mon...! We KNOW you can do it, Gypsy!"
Maybe it depends on the food she gets to make her milk.If she isn't making enough she pushes the baby off until it really needs it. Since she wants to constantly nurse and squall ...as did Knotty...they get babysitters so mom can get milk made for them in peace.
Is Rudy a female? Very concerning that such a young infant is being pushed off. You’d think Gypsy would nurture a girl more eagerly as they add to her influence in the troop. I still tend to suspect health problems in the mother, but as macaques are complex, it could be an emotional issue.
