Gyro Aiming is not a Gimmick 2: Electric Boogaloo - Open letter to game devs 

I just realized this after one week, your thumbnail is a meme from "Think Mark, Think!"

When people say I shouldn’t be able to use gyro because it puts them at a disadvantage when they use duals sticks, I tell them they shouldn’t be able to use dual sticks because it puts me at a disadvantage when I use my single stick N64 controller. Progress is going to happen, and people will adapt just like they did when dual stick took over single stick aiming. People though dual stick was horrible because it was new, the infamous review of Alien Resurrection from 2000 by Steven Garrett is a perfect example of how this thought process will not age well.

I like to describe it as gyro is a mouse that is controlled through rotation instead of translation. The controller can rest comfortably in your lap even while you are using it to pull off crazy flick shots.

There is one benefit regarding Gyro for me compared to thumbstick or mouse only. Its simply more fun and makes so much sense for FPS games

I really don't understand why this hasn't been already implemented in console games as an option. These gyroscopes have been in controllers for ages now. Thanks for making this video though, this should really come under the attention of game developers as soon as possible.

Gyro aiming in Astro's Playroom opened my eyes at how amazing the mechanic is, almost as versatile and effective as a computer mouse, we need this!!!

The argument that gyro-aiming is a crutch for "people who are bad at aiming" is absurd when the only alternative is aim-assist (aka literally having a computer do most of the aiming for you).

I've never used gyro, in fact I've been a KB/mouse player all my life. HOWEVER. I used something similar to gyro in VR. There are VR mods for GTA V and RDR2 now in which you perform all your actions with a joystick / keyboard, but aim with your head. Yes, sounds weird, but it actually works. With a little bit of practice I was able to achieve precision closer to my mouse aiming. I assume gyro has a similar feel to it. Anyway, can't wait for Steam Deck where gyro + trackpad is going to be the main means of playing shooters. It's a game changer, guys

I'm glad more people are pushing for gyro aiming. It's the future. I hate playing fps games without it. I hope we see more of it in the future.

Every industry Standard began as a gimmick. That's how things become standard

a good example of a amazing integration of gyro aiming is the splatoon series from Nintendo, makes the movement flow amazingly in matches

I've been saying this for ages, but xbox should just release a gyro that plugs into the otherwise useless expansion slot on both series and one controllers

Gyro is amazing. Cant go back to standard dual analog controls for shooters. It just feels so outdated when you compare it to Gyro and Mouse K+B controls. Aim Assist= Aimbot.

Both you and nerrel have the best gyro arguments

I wish gyro was a more widespread feature. I used it to play through Doom 2016 on my Switch as well as on Splatoon, and it is so much better than using standard sticks. Now, I am and have been a PC gamer for as long as I can remember, so I lack the practice with sticks to make a proper comparison, but I think the fact that I can aim properly with it at all where I can't aim when aim assist is helping me should speak volumes about how much better it is.

I agree fully, i think gyro can pave way for aim assist to be gone properly so we can have fair fights in games

Great video man and very informative! Hope to see gyro implemented into more games in the future.

High sens. gyro gamers 🤝low sens. gyro gamers Wanting decent controls

You my brother need way more views, your editing skills are amazing. Lets get gyro noticed 👍

Excellent vid! It's been exciting seeing you rocking Apex with gyro!

Just started Gyro today in The finals, hung out in the range for an hour before the aim started to click. Doing alot more damage than i was with sticks. Now im just messing arou d with traversal and posistion in game. Definitely gonna stick with this hopefully it keeps getting better. Nice video

This channel convinced me to try gyro control seriously. It's been months or an year probably, and I got a chance to squeeze out about 30 hours of actual playtime to try it on a couple of games I really wanted to play which I couldn't because I couldn't use a mouse for gaming any more. After spending about that much of hours to try to find my sensitivity and all the setups done, sadly I want to say I am not so sure about this. Surely it was interesting, but whenever I actually need the precise and fast aim I expected gyro to be capable of, it still felt like a shackle that I felt using sticks before. In one game I tried flick stick, and the other game I kept the default mapping then made R2 soft pull as a hold-to-enable gyro switch so I can also use right stick along with it to look around. While aiming felt limited, it also took too much effort to just find a way to squeeze a gyro toggle into a mapping, and to make it well configured to get used to it well. I still couldn't find and set a good way after all that time, and people in general never want to spend any time configuring controls for a game, so it's going to be a huge hurdle for a gamer to try out. The only good thing I got out of this was getting introduced to DS4Windows' feature that converts gyro into an analog x-axis for steering. That one worked wonder, and gives you even more precision than a single axis of a stick can because it converts both axes of gyro output into one axis. But that's not the common case where it can help you aim like you would with a mouse. And it still has its issues which you gotta fix it by yourself and submit the code to the developers or just give up and take as it is, as no one uses it. Their development priority for this feature has no reason to be any high. And either cases where gyro was great or not... my arms still got pain. Controllers are too heavy to hold in the air for an hour or longer. I wanted to get precise aiming and less arm pain with gyro control, but I couldn't get either. I am glad I got to try this method, but I wish it was actually helpful to me.

The help with looting with gyro is one of the best things. I can't see myself looting any other way.

as a pc player i reallllly want gyro aiming to take off on console so you can have more fast aiming games like quake, unreal, apex, overwatch, and it be fairer in cross play. The COD-style corner shooter gameplay just bores me.

There is a middle ground between regular stick controls and flick stick, for those who just cant get used to flick stick, but want greater speed than regular analog stick. You can bind RS left and right controls to mouse left and right movement and set the sensitivity to max.

This video started quite the journey for me, after experiments on a pc with the ds4 I decided to grab the Armor-x pro for my series s. I absolutely destroyed my thumb and gyro kept me in the game. So thank you for one of the best videos Ive seen on gyro, and my god is it so far from a gimmick!!

Nice video dude, really good showcase of gyro

I've never heard of gyro aiming till this video , thank you

Great Vid! I would still like to use backpaddles for PC games that need custom shortcuts on keyboard. You can also configure the the backpaddles as shift keys that change the sensitivity of the analog sticks or completely change the input of your other buttons on the fly. Gyro aim plus backpaddles would *be epic.

Great video Tek, thanks for helping spreading Gyro aiming, I've been playing doom on PC with dualsense+gyro and its brilliant experience

I always really liked your Halo video on why gyro isn't a gimmick so this was a pleasant surprise to stumble on. I was wondering if you've considered making more videos on gyro aim to help get the word out. If you do I'd like to see more gameplay examples of games using gyro such as 3rd person shooters and just different kind of games. Like stealth games, Metal Gear Solid 5 was a popular one when Valve released their controller. You were able to keep the button prompts and analog stick movement which is simply amazing for a stealth game cause analog movement helps a ton over a keyboard. You were able to keep precise movement and have mouse aim so you got the best of both input types. Recently I played Tomb Raider 2013 on steam with gyro and it worked amazingly with the button layout and amazing aim. The only downside was the fact the mouse input changes the button prompts so it can be a tad bit confusing at first. There's also a weird issue with mouse and the right stick not liking each other when not in ADS. The solution was to map the gyro to activate when u aim, the right stick works with it when in ads too but won't work for some reason while just walking around. Not a huge problem though because you can't hipfire so having the gyro only work when aiming makes sense. Anyways just more showcases of what gyro can do in different kinds of games from normal fps (maybe even arena shooters like Quake or modern Doom because they need precise aim) and comparisons to 3rd person shooters or stealth games such as Tomb Raider and MGS5. I know I suggested a fair bit but 1 final suggestion is if you do a video about gyro aim on 1 specific game, I reccomened doing a handcam and showing how it looks on different sensitivities. 1 for low, 1 for medium, and 1 for high. It's just to show how much movement is needed and the difference. Some games are better with low sensitivity while others are far better with medium to even high and I never see anyone show the difference in movement needed. I think it'd be great to show people the amount of movement would be needed based of their settings. It will also show people that there doesn't have to be an insane amount of movement in general (if they think it's like waggle from the wii) and if they want to have to tilt the controller less, they can with medium to high sensitivity. I'm used to medium to high with gyro and I have pretty solid and stable aim. I barely have to move the controller to aim at times an. Just showing the compassion would give people a good idea of what it'd be like on a certain game Anyways good video, I'm hoping for more people to get on board with gyro.

Further proof that people aren't even thinking when they say get gud

Splatoon player here, been playing gyro since 2019 and I can't go without it anymore. The support on switch has been amazing and I've constantly been upgrading my controller over the few years with better and more accurate gyro functionality than the base pro controller. Ask a stick player to turn around in a game like splatoon or fortnite and then have an actual fight and laugh as you run rings around them. I used to argue gyro users should still get aim assist like stick players do (ironically not a thing in the games I play) but to be frank, I really disagree with that by the day.

When you mentioned Flick Stick I thought you were talking about combining high sensitivity R-stick with with a comfortable aiming gyro sensitivity and then doing 180 flicks lmao. What you showed works too, using up and down on the R-stick for different commands kinda reminds me of Splatoon, but it's totally viable.

The way Zelda botw used gyro aiming completely changed my view of it. I disliked (actually kinda still do) the Splatoon way where you use gyro for big and small movements, but in zelda I was stick aiming and making the final adjustments with gyro without even noticing it at first. It just felt conpletely natural. Now I keep thinking why aren't all console shooters working this way?

I'm a lefty and my gyro set up is left trigger shoot, right trigger ads, top left shoulder reload, jumping press down on left joystick and use to walk fowards and backwards, right stick move side to side and to aim look around gyro controls. I recommend trying these settings if your a lefty even if your not a lefty you might enjoy it as a better set up with gyro aiming. I can now shot straff and jump while still keeping sight of my target.

One of the biggest reason why gyro is better; backpaddles they’re often used for face buttons when with gyro they could be their own separate input which would (again) further close the gap between mouse & keyboard and controllers

Goated on the motion

Great video also great clip at the end

Adapt, or git guuud. This makes me wanna go back to controller, haha. I've never even seen this until now. Really cool stuff.

From hours upon hours from Splatoon, Gyro is something that should paid attention to and given a chance more often. Fortnite added Gyro only to switch as far as I know, though it was not pretty. Gyro is the best option when it comes to intergrading mouse and controller. Tech yesterday has been working on a controller that combines a controller and mouse. As cool as it is, it is very big and doesn’t use the standard controller layout to make room for the mouse pad. It is a cool project, though your points with gyro being inexpensive is really good cause a lot of the “pro controllers” break easy and aren’t built well. None the less, this is a interesting and entertaining watch.👍

Three years later and it’s still not as popular as it should be which is a shame. I recently purchased a new controller to use for PC gaming because it offered the ability to add gyro aiming to all pc games and I use it in Helldivers 2 to great effect (though Helldivers supports gyro but it’s supposed to work in games that don’t support it as well since the controller is doing the processing). Gyro is only slightly less accurate and fast as mouse aiming when you practice, it just requires new muscle memory which takes time. To me though it is well worth the investment if you can do it. As I get older I find my hand can hurt a bit after gaming on keyboard for extended periods of time (wasd movement while trying to hit alt can really wear on you after a while lol). The controller helps with this a lot

I could never get used to gyro controls. I tried for about a week using them on doom eternal for switch and just could not get the grasp of it. I'm perfectly fine just using sticks for my shooters, but do agree more games should make gyro controls an option

I got into gyro aiming thanks to the steam controller, just bought a scuf impact for apex legends and I sincerely hope gyro becomes an industry staple, it’s too good

It's nice to know that someone else has the same experiences as me with gyro, and I get it about Apex, it's been a pretty overwhelming game to me too, but not because of aiming either.

Every mobile gamer who wants to win firefights uses gyro now. i don't see anyone outside mobile gaming even mention gyro. it's wild.

Two questions: 1. Any specific tips on improving one's own gyro aiming skills? 2. Thoughts on other console game's gyro aiming systems? (Splatoon series, Monster Hunter Rise, LoZ:BotW, LoZ: OoT 3D)

Im for it! been looking for new controller tech for playstattion and i wish it was more accessible

People who are against it just don't know anything about it. It's really that simple. They won't change their habit just for fun, games need to have courage and use it. I'll get popular whenever kids will search for « best settings pro players use in Call of Duty » and when they'll all say « use gyro », everyone will use it. And honestly, flick stick might even look like an advantage over mouse control. Not something I would complain about as long as gyro aiming is available on PC too. It'll just be a matter of choice. Really, gyro NEEDS to be usable on PC natively and be implemented in more games.

It's a mouse shoved into the controller: Simply. Awesome.

Great video. I love gyro aiming on my SC and dualsense. Unfortunately I suck at games, gyro or not....

Tried out Apex on the switch to test out the gyro implementation, and... Oh God, what a nightmare. I didn't understand why it felt so horrible, tried to adjust sensitivity in a bunch of different ways (because for some reason they decided to put in multiple sliders that adjust the sensitivity in seemingly different ways, that I still can't understand), and nothing felt good. Now that you mentioned the drift compensation it all makes sense, thanks.

Side note, I'm playing doom 2016 on switch right now and it's kind of suffering from the same motion issues as Apex (i totally felt what you meant). As a huge splatoon player i personally feel leaving the verticle axis locks, or using flick stick are the two best approaches to this. But overall your video is very good and although i already support gyro, you brought up some points i hadn't even thought of such as accessibility. Gyro isn't a gimmick, auto aim is, gyro is a tool to create the best experience

the splatoon community got this right years ago, controller sticks are horrible for aiming and you don't need aim assist to fix it, all you need is gyro and good controller mapping.

I just found out about how good gyro really can be. I played quake on the switch and that was all I needed. Also a Controller is much more ergonomic especially if you sit by a computer all day it’s nice to be able to use some different muscles and still be able to aim in some fine games. I love gyro aiming 😍 💪

Excellent video! I'm actually a recent fan of Apex since arenas came out. I have no issues using the mouse but I was talking about gyro aiming and flick stick one day and went to look up a video and found this and realized how much fun Apex looks with this set up! I've actually got a ps5 controller so why not! Did you have to set up custom stuff for this or was there a profile for Apex on the wiki? I'll probably be able to figure it all out, but it'll be my first time using JSM

I have finished many FPS games on PC with my Steam Controller. I will never give up gyro aiming. I believe, if xbox would jump on board then it could be mainstream. I have a feeling that developers go for lowest common denominator which is the xbox controller at the moment.

nice video bro!!! i've always liked gyro aiming since i've known about it almost a year ago, i don't know why people think that gyro in competitive is hack, since pubg mobile has gyro and a lot of proplayers don't use and still play nice...(i kill more using stick only than using gyro on cs lol but i still like being able to use gyro when i can) i wanna do a video about gyro aiming, but laziness is punching me harder lol

Hey are you using a hybrid setup here? I noticed your UI swaps between controller buttons and keyboard keys. I’ve been trying to use normal controller + gyro mouse because I love analog movement with the left stick, but it stutters like crazy as it’s constantly swapping the UI from controller to MnK. Currently just have all my buttons mapped to MnK but I absolutely detest the digital WASD movement.

Can't wait for the part 3: Tokyo Drift video

So something I've been wanting to try out- gyro aiming with optical sensor movement. Or put another way, mouse and gyro aiming together, each one covering the weaknesses of the other. Someone built a controller that could conceivably combine the input methods!

Great vid. Apex is my main, and there doesn't seem to be much of a gyro community there which is a shame considering that the switch and mobile versions have it, but potentially the implementation is bad. Straight mouse input nothing fancy, no aim compensation or anything works amazingly. And the more it's implemented badly the more people seem to write it off as gimmicky. At 9:10 you comment that you had issues with mixed input using steam input in apex, "jittery and decelerates with small/slow movement". I haven't had these issues at all and I use default controller input for all inputs + mouse gyro ADS. So I would say that it is an issue that can be ironed out in your settings. I recall when I first set up my steam config for Apex I had an issue where precision movement felt... Like the pixels were 3x3mm, just awful. And the resolve was to turn ingame mouse sense to minimum and bump stem config mousegyro sense all the way up. Hope you give apex annother crack and sort it out. It's a great game.

3:31 I'll admit, for the longest time I thought paddles were, by and large, useless. But after a bit of thought regarding UltraKill tech there's at least one technique that I cannot do that *can* be done (hypothetically) with them. Considering how niche that sounds I think they're still useless, but on absolutely maximizing ability they'd technically be useful. Wouldn't mind snagging an 8bit Pro 2 at some point, but I cannot justify it atm

The same thing could be said about pointer controls. Unfortunatly those got forgotten in favor of pushing gyro.

Hi, I've made a video on how quake now supports gyro aiming on PS5 and PS4 now. I just realised that a Flick Stick is what we want! For now I am using high x sensitivity to replace that.

Some parts of this video feel ripped straight from Nerrel's gyro aiming videos but still great overall. The Apex footage really sells it, it just straight up looks like mouse and keyboard gameplay lol.

Bruh, why this video doesn't have that many views!?

I've gone down a gyroscopic rabbit hole and I'm really disappointed the general attitude toward gyro and support for it has gone on this long.

Warface on the switch has gyro on by default. I can not play on a console without gyro now. Also the disability thing is slightly funny because my buddy downloaded warface to play with me and the gyro and his shaky hands didn't go well

liked just for the bomberman 64 music Video was good quality too

Thought about doing this myself. Play valorant and just focus on ranking up instead of getting clips. Figure if I hit diamond or immortal with a controller it would be impossible to ignore. Is ds5 gyro as good as SC? Edit- I’m a massive gyro believer with 140 hrs in kovaaks but I stopped when the SC thumb pad gave me thumb pain and I’m hesitating to get into flick stick because I’ve heard nothing compares to SC gyro accuracy.

7:02 lol that guy saying gyro is a crutch haha Imagine saying using your hands to control a game instead of your feet is some sort of crutch, that's so ridiculous. Was that really the best excuse he could come up with? At least it's a somewhat honest excuse though...

Hey , erm I dunno if you can help but I'm basically new to the whole controller and keyboard mouse gameplay since I'm used to mobile Gaming STRANGE I KNOW,but the thing is I've kind mastered gyroscope on my phone on playing games like codm and other things. The thing is I have no idea how to use or activate this for a controler, since I've just recently got a pc and now just managed to learn how to get the DS4 windows file and connect for games like rocket league etc, however I'm absolutely trash with the sticks in shooter games like warframe. So I was wondering if you could, tell me how to one,...activate gyroscope? And two, how to do it in games like Warframe and all.

I just played a round on splatoon 2 with motion controls boy it’s hard my brain only wants to use the motion control and not stick , guess I gotta get use to it, coming from a background on controller player since the cod 4 days lol and I just felt crippled , but I’ll put in the time and practice

I'd actually like to try out the joy cons on PC, but have them like the WiiRemote and nunchuk where aiming is on the right. I think it be good to get those headshots in PC games while using a 'controller'.

id consider getting a ps5 if returnal had gyro. Right now it really doesnt have anything i want at all, even ratchet and clank does not have it to my knowledge and they went on and on about accessibility options. Nerrel's quote about not being able to use gyro on their own platform but being able to use these controllers on pc for games that werent designed for the feature is really the best way to put it. It is shunned by everyone but pc and nintendo fans.

Am fallowing a huge aiming controller project it having Gyro would be heaven

It's good to see more people arguing for gyro.

Fps on switch with no aim assist and gryo is fun

I started playing gears 5 with gyro aiming. It’s ridiculous!!!

KBM>Gyro>Stick. The issue with gyro and its adoption is the implementation to software and games. Using DS4 Windows, Steam Input, ReWASD, or the game itself, all handles Gyro differently. Even 20 years of joystick software, developers can't even get it consistent from game to game, even mouse support is ass because some ported games convert joystick to mouse (Just Cause 4). Emulation of KBM to controller is the most consistent if you use 1 software on PC and Steam Input by far has the best controller to KBM emulation and Gyro support. The issue with that is games like Warzone or Valorant which don't accept Steam Input and you have to use ReWASD. The issue with ReWASD is that it doesn't have the ability to change In-Menu cursor operations like Steam Input (Detecting and setting different profiles for when the cursor shows/hide on menu). The issue with menu detection now is games like Doom 2016/Eternal uses software emulation of cursor not the windows so that Menu detection doesn't work and the games feels clunky. Sometimes your profiles doesn't transfer to games well. That leaves you with an issue of customizing the controls, some times it takes a long time and technical skills to program for a game to make it for KBM emulation. For example, Apex, you have to change 3 profiles, looting/setting menu, ingame, and viewing the map. That was hard to program if you're not coding/logic literate. Sure, if you get everything working it's satisfying but man... sometimes you're just too lazy and don't got the time to jump loop holes and learn multiple softwares. The adoption for this shit is ass, maybe give it like 10 more years and gyro would be implemented well. If you stick to KBM, your controls and sensitivity 9/10 will stay consistent across games and softwares. Sorry for the long rant lol...

its like when they had a call of duty game on the wii

Your voice reminds me of Dr. Hunter S. Thompson if he was a gamer and didn't abuse cocaine

Recently i've invested my time into Gyro after getting a new controller with Gyro, i've never really liked or hated Gyro as most games i've played in the past never had Gyro supported, but so far i love Gyro and makes it more fun, i only have a switch though and struggle with that stupid Gyro Drift centering, its not just Apex but every game (i think) shoud i still invest and dedicate my time to Gyro? and i'm wondering if Flick stick is possible on switch? .

Brov. Just tried gyro.... its the shiiit

This is a great damn video. Why am I just finding out about it now? We need more proponents of gyro aiming. It's so stupid Sony adds the feature to the controller and it hardly gets used. My BIGGEST complaint is multiplatform game touting gyro aiming in their marketing for Switch games but don't release the gyro on the PS4/PS5 counterpart. SO dumb.

What’s the gyro discord? I have a little project I’ve kinda been working on and could probably use some input from you all

we can't have paddles because of patent idiocy

tekgeekster can you post your gyro controller config? I use a Switch Pro Controller.

I have been playing apex on the switch for a year. I use gyro aiming and since apex is pretty much my first shooter it’s made the learning curve super quick and even with the underwhelming power of the switch I’ve been able to keep up in most fights. If I could get gyro in apex on ps5 I believe I’d play amazing

Was that Quake Champions played with a controller at the end ?!!

I really want gyro aiming for controller like most of shooter in mobile game has gyro.

The only issue I have about this is the moving of the controller like that, I feel like when I'm playing keyboard and mouse I like having that more grounded stability, same with a controller. If there's a way to use it in tandem at like a slight level with a joystick or sc trackpad It could be very helpful overall and be extremely beneficial to all controller players. I mean if I could use the general trackpad/joystick and then the gyro for added precision A game that does it right is rogue company, where you can disable aim assist and use gyro and it has a ton of options. Either way I do appreciate seeing people try and Innovate and better gaming inputs, good video

Not too big on flick stick personally. I feel like I get more out of the steam controller's trackpad. It's not as fast, but I still get to aim vertically when gyro might be awkward as my only vertical aiming in some games.

😙👌

Neon white has some of the best gyro aim on switch that I have ever used

People are giving the switch joy cons motion control so much hate but it's actually low-key godly

once my steam controller passes away...sadly i have to leave it behind. at least the ps5 controller will be there but...losing the touchpad will suck. at least gyro is there baby

Did i see apex is releasing on android/ios 2022?

2:44 oh shit who dat!