Thank you for using your platform to talk about this in such detail. I was abused and I've been blaming myself for 18 years, then Ethan said: "making kids believe they want it is part of the grooming process... That's where the guilt and shame comes from." I literally burst into tears. Thank you, thank you, thank you, from the bottom of my heart.
You're very strong Claire!!! I hope one day you find peace. I was also taken advantage of when I was young and a lot of days it can get very dark and difficult. But sometimes it takes a bit of affirmation that it wasn't my fault. Once again good luck out there
Very good show. Sad that it's ending soon but at the same, it will finish at the top of its creativity unlike other shows that should've bowed out much sooner like Big Bang Theory, oh damn that one....
The fact that preteens write fanfictions about these exact scenarios of like practically being adopted by their favorite celebrity on wattpad....really just shows how niave children are of how the world and power dynamics work. And how they may not see abuse as abuse when it took place. Scary
This guy is a loser, he should be ashamed for making a video like this. it was a different era child pedo was not common, now we make everything weird, stepbrother, daddy. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-wnXTrcfVpIQ.html ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-FnyUMfjkCYU.html Watch this videos and tell come back.
Michael Jackson says he cared about kids, but part of caring about kids is setting healthy boundaries and safeguarding them. Even if nothing sexual happened, teaching a kid it’s okay to sleep in bed with an adult who’s not your family puts children in potential dangerous future situations as you have taught them it’s okay to do it
thank you for being decent and having common sense. mj stans have neither.even if nothing sexual happened, which it did, its wrong to take kids away from their parents. its abuse to be alone with them for your own gratification. everything mj did was for mj and then his propaganda is everything he does is for kids.
I get what you mean , but how can you teach something you don't know? Something like that is a social lesson that you don't learn through school but with regular interactions whith everyday people or friends, and Michael didn't have that. As a child he shared beds with adults and his brothers , and so to him it may have been something normal and innocent , and since he was so sheltered and famous there wasn't really anyone to tell him that it may be seen as weird
@@rii1303 see you get it. I just wasn't taught healthy boundaries. I'm the real victim! its the 7 year olds that are the real predators. honest! They kept violating my boundaries. and I had no idea what to do!. They kept doing it over and over my whole life. It was just bad luck! I swear. I always shared bed with my adult brothers but they were never there at the same time as my special little friends. bad luck! I"m innocent!
@@huskiehuskerson5300 Yep, and a guy with two good albums at best- the last one being Thriller- 35 yrs ago. Imagine if it was little girls sharing his bed...
I was a huge supporter up until yesterday when I saw the documentary. But after seeing that documentary it was shocking. And when they showed the pictures of the little boys smiling with Michael, it just broke my heart. They thought it was normal and felt so honoured to be seen as "special" in his eyes.
@@lovinliverpoolcongratulations for being an easily manipulated sheep. that trashymentary is a SCAM and has been debunked already by the seconds 🤣 And if you had 4 hours to watch a stupid TVshow (wrongly branded as "documentary") you'd have enough time to check out the immense amount of bullshit inconsistencies in that stupid TV show. It takes 5 minutes of your time. 5 minutes. Not 4 hours. I give you hints: look up the trains station that never existed (Safechuck) and the Cirque du Soleil emails (Robson). And if you still believe Michael Jackson did anything to these lying piece of shits, then you are still a dumb ass sheep.
Dan had a good point, even if there was nothing sexual happening at all, just having a 40 year old man sleeping in a bed with a child is really disturbing, and if it isn’t illegal it should be..
That probably would be difficult because imagine a 13 yo going on a fishing trip with their dad and they sleep together in a tent. Should that be illegal?
@@Blubableful first off.. it is his FATHER.. these kids aren’t even related in any way to Michael, big difference. And also, they don’t have to share the same bed.. wtf
@@Jex2112 THe question is where do you draw the line. My preschool teacher sleapt next to me for a couple minutes because I was scared of the dark(we had sleep time then). And if you listen to the clip, MJ was sleeping on the floor, and the kids begged him to sleep with them.
@@user-oe4wr9tn2n did you watch the video?... they showed how obvious it was that the kid wasn’t asking to sleep in his bed, Michael pressured him into sleeping his bed, convincing him that it was actually what he wanted, instead of the other way around... it’s classic manipulation and it worked, especially on a kid who doesn’t know better.
@@Jex2112 Watch the whole clip that is shown about Michael and the kid, you will clearly see that the discussion is about "WHO WILL SLEEP IN THE BED AND WHO WILL SLEEP ON THE FLOOR!". The radio hosts is cutting parts... Michael Said "you sleep on the bed and i sleep on the floor". (took this from another comment)
Dude, what‘s with those comments? 10% arguing about MJ‘s guilt 30% are terrified of the thumbnail 10% random stuff 50% about Ethan‘s mesmerizing eyebrows
You don't seem to understand how percentages work... I had to scroll down 20 comments to see one about eye brows. 50% would mean every other comment mentions eyebrows - but they don't.
It was a different era... And MJ was the biggest thing on Earth back then.. Plus his whole image was this innocent pure "Peter Pan"... he didn't only groom children, but also their parents, and the whole world...
@𖤐 Were you? Because anyone that was, and knew him way more than the 2 false accusers wade & james ever did, have nothing but great things to say about their memories. F-ck rob$son & safenut to the highest heavens - f'n perverts.
@criticalfrank Yeah I assumed that was the case. I have a friend who has TS. Some people such as my bro have different tics, his are throat clicks and gulps, but Ethan's are his eyebrows
This. Whether their stories are true or not, those parents are terrible. Sorry, just have to say that. Doesn't matter if he was a pedophile or not, he was a broken man. You don't let your kids that close with a mentally unstable person.
@@Epic14Games I think what gets me is that if someone approached me, not to be my friend, but to befriend my child and be alone with them at their place I would reflexively say no. I don't care what the intentions were or the benefits I would gain, the job of being a parent is to protect and definitely not exploit.
Sia literally does the same thing with Maddie, she sleeps in the same bed as her, she says that she won't make music or art if it doesn't involve Maddie.......
yet she has the audacity to say Micheal was a ped* despite that he was found not guilty, there were witnesses, and he was investigated by the FBI for years. Sia was alone with a single child in her bed without anyone else involved.
I used to like her but have to admit got weird vibes-first from the chandelier video, like why is Maddie in a light tan leotard? At first it looks like she had no clothes on! I actually think there may be a chance MJ’s innocent, but it’s pretty slim, but was surprised the way she came down so hard on MJ because of the weird things she herself does
Stand name: [Neverland Ranch] Stand user: Michel Jackson Ability: has absolute power over everything and everyone in the immediate range of the neverland ranch property
Michael and his assistant slept on the floor and the kids slept on the bed! If H3H3 would've played the whole clip! No kids were ever left alone with Michael! The kids and parents even testified to that!
How is he a stranger and Jesus isnt? You know that fake guy that you pray to and would leave your kids with? The difference between this god and that god is this god is real.
My dad told me that there was a lot of abuse when he was a boy in a Catholic school. However, the most painful part was that people called him a liar and said - a man of God who never do such a thing, you are making it up.
I was abused when I was younger, and Ethan actually pointed something out that was in my life "The hallmark move is to make them think they want it" I can tell you with 100% truth that at that time I thought I did want it.. Now I realise what a mistake that was, as Ethan again pointed out again, is why I carry so much grief around with me, Because I had convinced myself that up to a point.. It was my fault, and maybe it was, I thought at the time this man was a friend, he was my best friends father but now I see that he was grooming me, I find it very hard to talk about unless I am drunk and grief stricken, I thought I would get into trouble if I told someone, and I still do.. My mum had to book me a therapy session and I couldn't even man up to tell her why, which itself carries its own grief. I cannot hold a job as I have depression and bipolar disorder, possibly stemming from these incidents, my life is in shambles I can't even get a girlfriend because I am mentally inept at talking to them, I can barely even have sex without thinking about these moments which as you can imagine puts me off, the girls then lose interest as they don't know the reason why I have lost interest, I have lost interest in life, can't drive as I'm too anxious, and trusting people is next to impossible on any level, whether they are a Man or a Woman, or a Child or an Elder, This is how much this man fucked my life up and all because he tricked me into thinking that I wanted it, and that pins down my anxious feelings and inability to hold a girlfriend and my constant (CONSTANT) suicidal thoughts. I feel sorry for these boys I do, I know exactly what they have been through as I have been through it multiple times myself, Thank you Ethan and Hila, I still view it as my fault up to a point and I will always have the dreadful memories and the terrible dreams, but now I know in depth what goes through their minds. I cannot thank you enough.
Benefit of the doubt, yo. But Hey If someone is going to lie like that for internet points, they should consider perusing therapy as well. You seem to have a lot of resentment, maybe you could use some also
@VincentHanna121 MJ literally admitted to sharing his bed with little boys. Do you not find that a bit strange? Here's the thing: MJ probably isn't like an evil mastermind, intentionally trying to ruin these people's lives. He's probably not a psychopath. I don't think he walked into a library and picked up "How to groom children for dummies." Half of his grooming tactics were probably just an automatic thing from his celebrity stardom, rather than some cunning plot. And it wouldn't surprise me if MJ himself was abused. He could have thought "Well I 'liked it' when I was a kid, and so these kids will like it too... and I'm not the one who's wrong, it's society's attitude toward what we're doing which is wrong!" etc. etc. He likely justified it to himself and didn't understand the damage he was doing. He probably genuinely believed he could never hurt a child in that respect. But here's the thing... he did. He fucked these guy's lives up because he falsely believed children are capable of consenting to a relationship. MJ doesn't have to be some supervillain, or a saint. He can be a person who has many qualities, both creative and destructive. What is most important is to understand so we all as a society can spot predators in future and stop them. If you can't even spot this predator in this ridiculously obvious example (because of your love of a celebrity's music), then you're woefully failing in that endeavour.
You do have more courage than you think though because you were able to post this. I wish you the best. Im struggling too with being abused. It really really does get better xo
I was sexually and physically abused at a single-digit age. The details are always a little fuzzy when thinking back that far. Not to mention that while it's happening you don't know what "sexual" is. It's just "I got touched by someone I adored/trusted/loved and it felt good/bad/weird." (Fill in the blanks with whatever experience.) It seemed in this case, the kids did like it because they liked having "something special" with Michael, not to mention the threats of "You'll never see me ever again". So they very well could've said "no, he never did anything bad to me" while also telling the truth because they saw it as a good thing. That doesn't mean the story changed, it means the perspective changed.
Sorry you were abused, but this is absolutely not the case with these two. They knew it was bad because they were specifically asked whether or not it happened while MJ was doing such things. Wade even called the thought of those things "sick" when asked as a kid. To believe them we have to believe that MJ was abusing Wade while at the same time being under investigation by Santa Barbara Co AND the FBI and that he abused Safechuck in places that didn't even exist during the time he alleges he was abused. Please do more research into these guys. They are playing on the emotions of real victims.
@Brian Collins MJ is not comparable to some random guy down the street, nor you. Were you or Joe down the street the breadwinners of your family from the age of 8? Can you and Joe not going anywhere without a mob of people swarming you? Yes, I did watch the "documentary" and it was an absolutely joke. If you've read their original lawsuits, the court transcripts from 2005, and all the other legal documents, you'd see why every accusation is absurd and 100% about money. What "evidence" do you think was presenting in the movie? The fact that Safechuck claimed he was abused repeatedly in a train station that wasn't even built for another 4 years? The fact that Wade Robson' mother suddenly remembered that Wade never actually went on a grand canyon vacation that for 20 years she testified he went on with the rest of the family? These are just 2 of the blatant lies. My defense of Michael Jackson is based off the FACTS alone. The judge hearing Wade Robson's case threw away his entire statement because he said no logical thinking fact finder would believe him. He was caught lying several times to the judge, including hiding evidence of his lies. Do your research and quit thinking an intentionally one sided film is the gospel.
@Brian Collins Donald Trump Jr. spoke positively of MJ on Twitter. His mother stated MJ spent alone time with them. It is very well known that LaToya was in an abusive relationship when she said those things and the husband forced her, threatening to kill both her and Michael if she didn't. You love tabloids, don't you?
My family member abused me and I lived with the shame and guilt for years until one day it came out and my family still has a relationship with him except my siblings ❤️ love them
@@shivaniseenivasan5241 suing your abusers is the right thing to do when your American. I wouldn't expect your 3rd world trolls to know a thing about it.
It's very fascinating to watch his eyebrows Edit: Prior to this comment, I had no knowledge of Ethan having tourettes as I do not regularly watch his videos. From some helpful comments, I now know he has tourettes. Regardless, I believe it is a positive characteristic that adds to his personality and character.
The only time a child should be sleeping In the same bed with a grown man is if that's their *PARENT* and even then a child past the age of like 5 should be sleeping in their own fucking bed.
What if the child wants to sleep with someone unrealted.In MJ case no child was ever invited to his bedroom ,the children were the ones who wanted to be with him always. if you don’t know anything then stop passing judgment,this man doing the podcast is a manipulator how clearly doesn’t want to tell the other side.
@@shivaniseenivasan5241 anyone willing to let their child sleep in the same bed as a man unrelated to them is gross :) there's an actual clip of a boy saying he didn't want to sleep with Micheal, and Micheal told him and I quote *"if you love me you'll sleep in my bed"* now that, is an actual representation of true manipulation.
@@kaitwinn Your fucking bullshit, because he didn’t even sleep in the same bed as them if you were really fucking interested in the story you would know that he slept on the floor and he let the kids have his bed, and the first accuser to this day doesn’t even talk, yk what that mean? It obviously means he didn’t want nothin in the situation because he knew the truth he was forced.
@@kaitwinn you see what you wanna see. the boys asked Michael to let him sleep in the room and Michael offered the kids the bed but the boy was gonna sleep on the floor which Michael wasn't having so he told the boy to take the bed and he slept on the floor with his assistant Frank. Stop spreading misinformation.
I don't blame them as kids for lying in trial to protect michael. They were seeing the effects of the world hating whoever spoke out. That's terrifying especially as a kid. It's wild how much blind support a person will receive just because they're famous.
Their cases were so fraudulent and filled with lies, the judge was enraged! He said "this is what I think of all your false made up accusations" and then the judge just lit their lawsuits on fire. The building had to be evacuated. This is how court works. I swear!
Do you really believe Wade Robson was a sociopath liar that could get his lies past seasoned prosecutors/FBI investigators better than even the psychopath Killer Ted Bundy did? Who you kidding?
You all nailed it. I don’t know how people can’t believe the grown men who did the HBO Documentary. They spoke in MJ’s favor bcs they wanted his love, then as adults they realized what he did to them. God is the final judge.
@@djing4309 brainwahshed individuals/groomed ppl can come to realizations at any point....u can deny things happened cuz they dont wanna accept they were harrmed
Pilkington it’s a joke There’s no solid evidence he did it and we know we can’t convict him of anything. But his personally makes us feel like he fucking did it
@@cornboy7587 Are you disrespecting a human female girl? Do me and my bois have to come take turns repeatedly Chuck Norris round housing you in the jaw in the back room of a hole in the wall Mexican restaurant like we did in the 80's Mr millennial ?
14:40 when i was young, i was on a ferry traveling to UK and a guy approached me ( i was like 6) and i think offered me a cookie or said do you want a cookie i have some in my room... and my sister eventually came (she was 10) and she basically took me away saying "parents are looking for us" , they were not far away but had left us to wonder to the arcade/kids area. Well i didn't remember any of this for years... it's not until i was like 18 and watched a program about pedos.. that it clicked, and this memory came flooding back ... your brain is incapable of understanding the wrongs at that age.
That's the problem, and that's why the victims are often accused of false accusations, i.e., "why didn't you speak out before?" It's solely because people don't understand the complexity of child sexual assault.
It's very strange how he longed to mirror his own life experience. He was "obsessed" with a child that displayed his skills, preying on dysfunctional families (like his own), and longed to nurture that child through his own abuse. It's all about the innocence he lost at that age. It's telling behavior and may be an indicator that he too was molested at a young age. It seems to be a comfort of his own first sexual experience. He should've just had therapy and resolved his issues instead of trying to find comfort by abusing others. No excuse, the man was *wealthy* and refused to get help.
Stop pushing your theory. Firstly a man who lost his childhood or had a painful childhood would never hurt a child it is almost like saying a csa victim would become a child abuser in future.secondly MJ was found innocent.Thirdly no victim sues abuser for millions of dollars.If you don’t know anything then please don’t judge.
@@shivaniseenivasan5241 She didn't say a man who lost his childhood or had a painful childhood would hurt a child.. she's saying that he could have been a victim of sexual abuse himself as a child. PLENTY of documented cases of abused children becoming abusers as adults. Wow, let your worship of celebrity go for a moment.
@@marlaplunk2833 plenty of doesn't mean all of, you know. MJ wasn NOT sexually abused as a child. He was abused mentally/psychologically and physically. And we all know he never abused any child in that way. So how come he was a sexual abuser, if he himself wasn't abused that way? It makes no sense. Let alone: being a victim of abuse does NOT mean the person will become abuser - that's pure nonsense.
i remember him talking in a interview about that his brothers during Jackson 5 tours would bring girls to their shared bedroom and have sex with them in front of micheal while he was supposed to pretend to be sleeping there could have been worse things happening behind closed doors
@@virocska no we don’t know, did you watch the documentary? There is more evidence that he did do it, than the opposite. Also you can’t know if he was molested or not but that’s not the point. This documentary shows two pure hearted men, that still love Michael, that have nothing to gain but a bad reputation, that have struggled with mental health problems all their lives thanks to these experiences open up because the secrets were crushing them. They tell their story so detailed and so similar, but they haven’t talked to each other about their own experiences. It was so believable it brought me to tears multiple times. These two stories are a few of the I think 7 stories that have come out against Michael, I mean come on. You can be a fan of his music, you can respect the art and his creativity as a dancer and musician, but don’t act like you know Michael better than these men who spend years of their lives with him!! #webelievesurvivors
I think that's why people believed he was a child molester when those boys claimed that because he looked scary. He's an easier target to believe something like that. But I'm still not convinced because I also heard MJ niece's side of the story, she dated Wade for 6 years. www.mediaite.com/tv/exclusive-interview-michael-jacksons-niece-who-dated-leaving-leaving-neverland-wade-robson-explains-why-shes-sure-hes-lying/
This hits hard, I was 6 when I was SA’d, I told my parent in the best way I could, they gave me cream and that was it. I’m 21 now, disowned my family and slowly healing :)
Hila had such a good comeback to the gaslighting fans. She is right, most of us are not qualified to look at court documents and draw conclusions from them. A documentary definitely does a better job presenting credible info to everyday people.
The fans aren't qualified either. They just repeat mj estate propaganda. They don't know Anything and don't care if American kids were abused. They just have to defend their god.
I'm not saying it's not weird for kids to sleep in your room. I just want to clarify that the clip you played at 7:19 is misleading. At that point in the interview (if you watch the Bashir documentary), they are debating who will stay on the bed, and who will stay on the floor. So when Jackson says "if you love me, you'll stay on the bed," in this specific instance, he was giving up the bed, not inviting him to share the bed.
His "bedroom" was also hardly a bedroom. What you mentioned is a pattern, which is pretty frequent when you actually look up a lot of the shit. The only thing that stays consistent is that he was strange.
@@PlutoTracks He had a private room were he'd sleep Culkin says that Michael isn't really good at speaking since his social skills are low but we have to see the full picture before passing judgment
I remember being 13 in my bedroom after hot boxing the closet with my friends, watching the ending trial when he was innocent. I couldn't believe it. Money buys innocence. If he became a hated man it would fuck up so many people's money in the long run.
Money doesn't buy innocence. Innocence is proven if there's evidence to prove that this person was innocent. And for you to believe that Michael Jackson paid his way out of court is truly delusional and uneducated of you
The part when Ethan said "trying to put your 20 year old brain in your 5 year old self." Hit me so hard. Coming from a victim, it is very true. The guilt is immense.
Aniremay why would people defend 2 liars ? Michael is innocent. FBI found nothing that proves/(d) that Michael is ‘quilty’ FBI! FBI! And Lisa Marie also said when she was there (in Neverland) kids wouldn’t let him alone for a minute, if he wanted to go to the toilet, they wouldn’t let him go without going with him. So that proves it all. Those kids themselves wanted to sleep with him. Michael also said that he never Invited someone to sleep with him! And He wasn’t a stranger to them, he was a friend. So would you tell me you never slept by a friend?
El.36 you seriously think... that that kid wasn’t manipulated into sleeping in the same bed as Michael... also.... a GROWN ASS ADULT MAN sleeping in the same bed as kids??? That’s just fucking weird and gross. There’s no way he didn’t touch those kids. How does that prove anything, what you’re saying? There’s no facts or evidence in anything that you just stated to me.
He didn’t pay the parents. Some of them even claimed MJ abused the kid from the Black or White music video, and he had to come out to say it wasn’t true. They just want money.
41:36 That's why in Scotland we have 3 possible verdicts that can conclude a trial...... 1. *GUILTY* 2. *NOT GUILTY* 3. *NOT PROVEN* Not Proven is pretty much 'We know you did it but just can't 100% prove it'
Funny because the court found Michael not guilty Im pretty sure that's there's literally zero evidence that you did this so you're a free man... Not proven is more like okay so legally we can't say you did this because there's like no evidence but we wanna say you did it because you're weird... I mean come on people we have people now who can identify themselves as a kid a genderless one too because it's 2020 and that's okay...
All the jokes aside, I really appreciate the way Ethan and Hila are explaining the victim's mentality. I am so glad we have such understanding parent-like people like Ethan and Hila in the present day and age where victim shaming is still a thing. Thank you, guys. You guys have hearts of gold.
You do know that everything from this whole video what even say is wrong. I understand I'm talking about a mentality but when it comes to these allegations about Michael Jackson being a molester is stupidly wrong. This guy claiming that Michael Jackson did it yet he doesn't have no actual evidence to prove that he did it
@@ShakShak1999 That's why I am not specifically talking about MJ. I don't know what is true and what's not. I am just appreciating the fact that they understand the victim's mentality.
If you're that convinced that Robson and Safechuck are telling the truth, you must have done tons of research. I certainly have. Please answer me a few questions. - Why does Robson claim he got a subpoena to testify when the Private Investigator in that case states that he never got one, but volunteered to be the first witness? - Why does Joy Robson in both her depositions (1993 and 2013) state that Wade was never alone at Neverland up until 1993, when Wade claims, he was left alone in 1990, while the rest of his family went on a Grand Canyon trip? - How was Safechuck abused in the train station when it didn't even exist up until 1994, and then Michael Jackson didn't even live in Neverland in 1994, he was in New York and only returned in 1995. Safechuck would have been 17! Those are just 3 of the over 60 lies found in Leaving Neverland.
The grooming thing is true. I got fiddled with from the ages of 7 till 12. My mum got a boyfriend and he used to spoil me and be really nice to me and I loved him as a child does while my mum got drunk every night. Then it turned into him getting really touchy feely watching me in the bath and coming into my room at night. As I got older I started to hate anything to do with sex and was obsessed with rape as he convinced me that I would be raped as my first time. I hated being watched. I absolutely hated him for no reason and always felt guilty. My teenage years were full of my mum drunkenly hitting me and bringing men home who would try to touch me at the age of 13. I hated her in the evenings. She was a good mum when she didn't drink. It was so confusing. It took me till the age of 16 to realize that what went on was in no way ok or normal and that I was pretty badly abused. It was a shock to me when I realized.
I'm so sorry that you experienced that; it happens to so many of us. As someone who was also abused as a small child, I empathize completely. Stay strong my friend ❤️.
That must have been a real bolt of lightning to your thoughts and emotions...you didn't deserve that...i hope you get some kind of peace of mind & feel that you can put it truly behind you from realizing that you didn't deserve that. We as children are sometimes thrown into bad situations that are not of our making & those things kind of shape who we are ?..sometimes even without realising it ? It's not till we get to have other deep relationships do we see the difference between a good relationship and one that harms us..however subtle those differences may seem ? & I hope you find love and understanding & peace of mind.
Ommstar Official No shit. Your powers of observation and deduction only rival those of Sherlock Holmes himself. Have anymore elementary comments to make on the matter?
what makes you so sure that you're not wrong? just because the media said so doesn't make it true. that's why you need to research, especially when we're talking about someone who's not around to defend himself.
Because there is irrefutable proof he didn't. He was framed, blackmailed & legally extorted & it started with a sociopath father - not the child in 93. The two actor middle aged & broke accusers are using the 93 extortion as their blueprint to extract hundreds of millions sueing a dead man's estate for the past 8 years. Criminals.
Please watch Razorfists Michael Jackson Rebuttle 3 - part series. He debunks 99% of the claims, with evidence that proves the men in the documentary are lying. Hell, part 2 of the series debunks most of Leaving Neverland before the documentary was even released.
@@Rtytanicj im just surprised this is talked about now i thought that it was public knowledge that michael was a pedophile i knew it years before this documentary was made
It's a good thing they feel guilty for telling proven lies they lifted from a book by a man who fled the country after he lost a lawsuit over the lies he told.
The whole thing for me boils down to the fact that people would have completely different opinion about what happened if it wasn't MJ but some random guy. Just imagine if that random guy had the same explanations as MJ... There would be no conversation.
Hubert Skladnik people like to make up shit to ruin people’s reputation or to make money...funny why there’s constantly Michael Jackson documentaries and new victims supposedly and why didn’t they do this when he was alive he can’t give a defense and these people couldn’t give a crap about there family and disregarded their rights there are two sides to every story.
Live_LifeLove Music They didn't do it while he was alive because they were still kids and didn't understand what happened. Parents had accusations whole he was alive, but the children always disputed it because they were young and didn't understand (which is common with abuse). They've grown up and a couple of them almost had mental breakdowns when they had their own sons and realized what happened to them. It's very normal for child abuse to play it like this and for victims to take years before figuring out they're a victim
@@live_lifelovemusic9706 you're very right- there's a different side to every story and I'm not saying MJ is definitely guilty of child rape (there are other forms of abuse too). How would I know for sure? I wasn't there. You missed my point. I'm just asking you to imagine what your reaction would be if (for example) your neighbor took your kid for a sleepover to play games and the next day you found out they were sleeping in one bed? Then add the fact, he was there for months and that he was totally addicted to video games and would do ANYTHING to be able to go back there, skip school and just play games all day. Have you ever been 10 years old? Do you think it was fair for MJ to pray on childrens vulnerability? Even if they didn't have sex the very fact what was happening was sickening and there would be no conversation if it wasn't famous king of POP.
Hubert Skladnik yes absolutely right. If the same accusations came out about a random dude living an otherwise boring normal life, there wouldn’t be this kind of conversation. But because its this music god that we have all idolized, these must all be false accusations bc he can do no wrong. Sorry, but there is no reason, MJ or not, for a grown man to have unrelated little kids sleeping anywhere in their room.
@@teijul1106 I remember when the "Living With Michael Jackson" documentary aired on prime time.....the whole country was shocked and appalled, especially by the visuals of what a wreck MJ was, and how dishonest he was.....
The "train station" argument Michael's defenders used have been debunked: There was several train stations at neverland long before the famous one was built. Also do you remember everything you did yesterday? Try think what you did 5 years ago, let alone if you were traumatized. I know a woman who said she think she was raped by her father, but she says the memories has a big blur and she can't remember much. But she has not have had contact with her father in over 20 years. He gives her the creeps.
There was only ever one train station. Prove there was not. Train stops aren't stations. Funny Robson remembers verbitim what day it was when he was 7 ( A friday) they both are lying sacks of sh.t & that's why two judges have dismissed their cases for money multipal times.
That is not true, there was ONE train station. But you don't even need to go there, because the people behind the documentary said that the train station issue is undeniable and what was really wrong was the timeline given by Safechuck. So, we are to believe that Safechuck was off by SEVEN YEARS in his memory AND that he was molesting Safechuck at age 17, which undermines the entire premise of the documentary that Jackson "dumped" children at 14 for the next. By the way, BOTH individuals they claim MJ dumped them for (Culkin and Barnes) say Jackson never molested them. We are to condemn a dead man based on THESE facts?
@@ChokeslamToHell see! you get it! train stating came station. its all a bunch of baloney! Iittle boy liars kept taking advantage of me. I just gave them my hot milk and had underwear optional tickle fights. hee hee!
Some people love to comment :Why didn't they say anything before? Cause that's not how trauma works. I had traumatic events happening to me (not sexual abuse) when I was 9-10-11, I told my mom when I was 14 and I only felt somewhat comfortable to talk about it at 17. Soooo yeah
I ain’t gonna say I know for a fact abt any of this, but the detailed videos I’ve seen on the other side of the coin is far more convincing of his innocence than leaving Neverland or this podcast is of his guilt, I definitely suggest checking out the opposing arguments if you value the truth and come to your own conclusions
Illuminati Sheep alright man cool off😂 that clip h3 showed was 100% proven to be taken out of context by another RU-vidr, Michael actually said something along the lines of “I would sleep on the floor and he would say I want you to sleep in the bed, and I told him if you love me you’ll sleep on the bed.” (I’ll provide a link to a video showing the whole clip in the next comment) Not sure why Ethan blatantly ignored that part and makes me question his intent. I will give you that having sleepovers with children is fucking strange, however it’s not illegal and Michael withstood 14 allegations of various criminal charges in 2005 (or maybe 1993 I’m not sure of the date) I’m not the one to be ridiculing here, if you truly want the other side, which I find far more convincing, check out Rageaholics 3 videos on it, IMO the two men have very very little credibility and they will not likely win their billion dollar lawsuit, just as prosecutors have lost twice their cases twice already. The case against him could not be proven beyond a reasonable doubt and the documentary showed nothing but anecdotal evidence from two men, who had, as grown men, publicly defended Michael before.
Illuminati Sheep hahaha perhaps, MJ is such a wild fucking case and I’m glad I’m not responsible for making the decisions as a juror, it’s weird and creepy and complex everywhere you look in his life
Although it's not a long time, it took me 3 weeks to work up the guts to tell my old Hs teacher about how one of the students threatened to gang rape me and how he sexually assaulted me. He threatened to beat me almost to death yet when my parents tried to press charges, the principle wanted us to drop the case because "he's a minority in a rough neighborhood". The principle was a black woman sticking out for another black student and I wish my parents had pushed harder to have him expelled and made sure that was stamped on his record. I was terrified of telling anyone because I was just this small fat little shit compared to him and I knew that he easily could overpower me ,as he had already demonstrated many times that he could. It's disgusting how they cared more for his future and records than my wellbeing, he didn't even get a restraining order. It's hard being in an intimate relationship when dealing with something like that, you feel like you're burdening your significant other emotionally. I hope that everyone out there who knows someone in a similar and unfair situation, please, help them. Speak up for them, and I pray that your voice is heard and all goes well for you.
If those guys were lying then they are amazing actors. Young boys don't hold hands and sleep in the same bed with their friends for weeks, it sure as hell isn't normal for a 40 year old man to do it.
@@Angela-gc3kr you spend your entire existence defending a man that insists on cuddling with 2nd graders every night. This is psychological projection of the highest order. What else is one to expect from 4 hen hers that know nothing.
Exactly. And teenage boys dont ask to sleep in the same room. Jeez my kids would rather I wasnt around period. The fact teenage boys are asking to sleep in bed shows some serious grooming going on. And now they're older they see. I stand by the man will one day be posthumously convicted.
A close relative of mine was abused at school by a P.E. teacher. He only decided to do something when he saw my then 9 year old son playing in the sea with his Mom. He saw how innocent and small he was and at that point decided to speak out. He won his case but the compensation was derisory. The money didn't matter to him though. He was just glad he got justice.
Me, Coming back here and revisiting H3 videos from 2 years ago and realizing how beautiful Hila can be with this version of herself AS WELL AS her reinvented version of herself.
Not dumb, manipulated and mentally abused. This strategy is used more often than one would like to think within families. It isn't as outrageous or heard of because it's happening between fathers, grandfather's, uncles, mothers and children.
It's scary, because abusers don't say they are abusers. & people who like hurting people are still liked by people. Who can do no wrong. I know someone like that. Charisma isn't always a sign someone is good.
Melissa Gura yes yes soo true. I know someone like that as well, who is liked by everyone so much people don’t want to believe the bad things he’s done. They look past it. It’s terrible.
@Samurai Jack An adult told me something once while alone with her that was so awful--something she'd told a friend of hers (& I went to the cops about it), so yes. The cop I spoke to didn't do much. She's a relative so I can't ignore her forever. I was worried about her mental health. The others...I'm just paranoid.
It’s quite horrible how videos are edited and made to look like what it isn’t. Those of you who are really that interested please find the entire footage before MJ says if you love me you sleep on the bed. He is quoting a banter with this boy who wanted to sleep in the bed and MJ insisted I would sleep on the floor and then the boy says no I would sleep on the floor. That’s when MJ says ‘if you love me you sleep on the bed’. MJ slept on the floor. Please get the facts right atleast before wasting time and resources on a faulty footage. Unless you have specific reasons for slandering the dead man.
@@viviancooper5892 ... No he never said that unless that video is also strategically twisted. Also his bed room was a two storey unit and not a single bed. He does mention that kids would follow and sleep on his bed but he never says that he slept with them on the same bed. Would he not have a spare area to lie down. He made it very clear that he didn’t sleep on the same bed. These sleeping together controversy started after the Martin Bashir interview where he twisted the whole narrative to make it scandalous. By then Mj already had one round of legal case in molestation charges. One has to be a special kind of moron to call an interviewer home and tell them that I sleep in bed with young boys. But media thrives on such misinformation that’s why it’s presented in this manner. For many years I too believed these allegations I’m a mother of a young boy too and feel very strongly about gender and sexual injustice. A hard core feminist in common parlance. I’m a researcher by profession so I did my own research over time to know and understand the facts but what I found is a typical case of media trial and propaganda. There is no harm in looking into something in an unbiased way is all I say. To each his/ her own 🙏
I was one of few that my abuser (a family member) selected when I was a kid, and when I finally told my parents as an adult, my father refused to believe me because they never did it to him as a kid....I'm still fucked up over that shit. I think my dad calling me a liar might have been just as bad as the sexual abuse. It was also why my abuser chose me, they knew I didn't tell my parents anything I thought would "get me in trouble" and they knew my dad would never believe me. I was the obedient kid who did as I was told and whose parents were so busy that they didn't have time to make sure everything was okay.
I will never understand how can someone not believe a child who told you sth like that...Its obvious that this child do not lie...kids do not have an pervert mind...wtf is wrong with that people or parents...omg
I'm so sorry that happened to you. I know all too well the feeling of your abuser getting away free of charge and being called a liar. It's awful and I hope you're able to find peace one day. I believe you! Stay strong girl 💓
@@alexandramihaela269 Because their parents manipulated them into lying. Jordan Chandler insisted nothing happened when the police first asked him about it and only made the allegations after his father drugged him (after kidnapping him I might add). Janet Arvizo was known to use her kids to scam celebrities and was charged with fraud. She went after Chris Tucker and Jay Leno too. Wade and James didn’t make the allegations until they were grown men and going broke. Wade was literally begging cirque du soleil to hire him for their MJ show a few years prior. I’m sorry to OP about what happened but it’s harmful to believe all accusers when you know nothing about the situation. It’s rare but false allegations do happen. It’s really naive to think that people wouldn’t target someone as rich and famous as Michael and even use their kids for their own personal gain.
Maybe if she ever said something of substance he wouldn't do it. She seems nice and everything and has the internet white knights on her side, but she simply isn't meant for podcasting.
@@selemawit9411 hbo made huge money with LN. Why not sue them? They badmouthed MJ, which they couldn't do if MJ was alive. Then MJ could sue them. So yes, it's about money - because hbo made huge money with MJs name.
@verbadum22 what's "bingo"? hbo played dirty and you think it's not ok to sue them - just because it's about MJ? So now if it's his name, nobody can sue, or what? MJ or his estate or his family has less right to sue, just because you blindly hate MJ? You don't know any of the facts of the case, but for some reason you feel hurt, if MJs Estate sue hbo - for money, as if hbo didn't make huge profit with LN...? Sure. If it's MJ he has no right. No right to fair trial, no right to presumtion of innocence, no riht to defend himself against defamation. And you think with that kind of thinking you can talk about rights... or call others disgusting.
