Haas EC 400 Horizontal Mill Review Pt 2 (Plus Our New Pro Pallet System!) 

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I just wanted to sleep.. but then new video. Sleep has to wait!! Thanks Jay & team! Love your content

Great machine! We also bought an EC 400 and we are loving it!!! We use Automatic Tool Management, together with tool break control and program Macroses to check the tools, and if tools are broken- go and redo the cutting! That way we do 3 !!! Shifts in 24 hours and third shift is lights out machining- no operator! We are very happy! So far had two issues with machine: 1) HAAS had to change spindle encoder and cable - we had an error popping out too frequently (we have a 15k spindle). 2) tool release button was not working- that one was changed as well. One question- do you experience long dwelling times between movements? For example when you home Z axis for B axis rotation, then machines dwells for long time :-)

i love your videos man! It would be cool to see a video about trade shows or conferences you attend. I'm a machinist and my boss gave the goahead to look for any type of conferences coming up.

Been following you since grimsmo and saunders came into your shop and even got to meet you at MHub when you did your talk there with them, I also gave you a drawing I made for you. I remember at the dinner that night I suggested that you palletize your rotovice and you said you were working on a design for it and now it's fully fleshed out. I'm so happy to continue to follow your constant improvement and growth as a company and I can't wait to see what you come up with next 😊

You know... i really like how genuine you sound, your ways of thinking about the whole idea of improving on every possible level, staying rational, aware of humans limitations while having great potential for creating achievable perfection. I guess this comment was due on another video i just watched and isn't related so much to this one but i realize we have alot in common and it really made me smile. I'm no machinist but have trained in several fields in order to feed my constant need for brain food; computer sciences, welding/fabrication/assembly, heavy duty mechanic, land surveying, pipe/utilities locating and well, i also been a treeplanter for 9 years. I've always tried to improve any work environment that i was in by either proposing changes, creating custom tools or jigs to become more efficient during employment as a whole or many times just individually when management wasn't receptive. Oh... that also generally had to be done on my own personal time (and dime) due to roadblocks from the higher ops. I currently am senior linux server/infrastructure manager/designer for a very well-known company. Sometimes, i wonder how some people achieved success. I too, am of the opinion that fixing a bug right now is investing in the future. I have to oversee alot in general in order for things to go smooth all around and constantly face issues whenever i bring up the tiniest of problem, requiring the tiniest of effort to fix at present to avoid snowballing effect. It seems to me that most people focus on the huge issues that cost alot of ressources to fix/implement while pushing the smaller things on the back burner without recognizing the negative compounding effects of doing so. Issues easily fixable now tend to be ALOT harder to fix with time, being embedded in whatever great big thing one couldn't spare a few minutes for them. Hard coding known deficiencies into 'the next big thing' is simply not scalable and lead to much of the downtime and frustration i see around my areas. It seems i always have to come back to the much hated 'I told you so' rhetoric and it really aggravates me to feel this way about work/environment i should be loving. Anyways - hahhaa. Thanks Doctor, same time next week?

ITS ABOUT TIME, BEEN WATCHING YOU WAIST TIME WITH VERTICALS FOR YEARS. I EVEN COMMENTED THAT YOU SHOULD GET A HORIZONTAL 3-4 YEARS AGO. NICE TOHMBSTONE

Just love your show ❤ Best regards from Norway

We have 3 makino a51s hmc and 3 a51nxs hmc no pallet pools. The production on them is amazing

Nice video Jay. I really like my Haas machines. I absolutely love the controller. I have been self employed for about 36 years. I briefly worked for another company about 3 years. We we’re running mostly Mazak’s. Both mills and lathes. I really like Mazak’s too. But when you realize how nice the Haas controller is compared to other brands it’s like a light bulb going off in Your mind. I think the EC 400 is going to work out great for You guys. Buy the next one with the High speed spindle for the aluminum work and dedicate this one to the steel and cast iron work. Are you making the tombstone in house for the new horizontal setup or is it a buy out. Really good stuff Young Man. Keep up the good work.

Separately from the video, kudos to the thumbnail maker. That's good design.

The version on the website looks amazing!!

good video mr pierson..thanks for your time

Awesome video Jay! Thanks for sharing.

I’ve been looking forward to this one! We have two EC-400s, and both leaked. 😡 We also chose not to spend $90k on the pallet pools, for financial and floor space reasons, but primarily because they weren’t able to handle the Orange Vise tombstones we went with. Just like the ones you showed. Love those! Nevertheless, they’ve been game changers for our small shop, with productivity gains we didn’t anticipate. Those Lang spindle fans are the bees knees, and the whole shop hears them spinning at 12k. 😄 They get used on every job. There are some caveats, but on the whole, they’ve been very good purchases for our shop. Hope to see more horizontal machining in future videos. 😇

Just odd that you would build a pallet magazine that can't hold the same weight the machine can on a pallet. Leaves a lot on the table

I would love to see some more content on the RotoVise. I've been looking to make the leap into 4th axis, but being as small as we are, it's a huge investment for us (demo units anyone? :) ). I'd especially like to see more from the pallet design and usage side (Fixture Friday?)

You could keep the air knife but angle it so you can clear the door/stop coolant hitting the door so you can see into the machine when needed

Thanks for posting! Do you have any customers using the rotovice on a haas mini mill?

Hi Jay, do you have air-knifes on your chip conveyors, we machine a lot of aluminium and mounted air-knifes to clean the belts to provide chips going under the conveyor, mostly chips are too wet to fall off, added air-valves that run simultaneously with the conveyor. I like the Haas control for it's large (cheap) memory, free updates of the latest NGC version or VPS-templates and running from USB. I don't like the control panel when you also used to other brands, to many functions behind a single key, but the controller is okay.

Genuine (curious) question for Jay @piersonworkholding … I know you have Haas and Doosan machines, did you look at anything else before the EC400 purchase? I did some quick math (and online quoting) and that machine is within ~20% the price of MTB’s who are known for HMC’s and much more rigid, fast, etc. and have options Haas doesn’t offer like 18k spindles with 47 HP (or more). I just don’t see Haas HMC’s around here, everyone who is serious about that level of production runs Mazak, Mori, or Okuma. Thanks in advance!

I agree, you learn more from your failures than your wins

How are you feeding air to this system that can rotate?

I couldn't imagine spending loads on a Machine and having it leak. I appreciate issues occasionally but since getting a Nakamura, that things next level and didn't have any factory issues. I appreciate the price but, I guess if you are the US that's the case, anywhere else, HAAS is actually expensive

I’ve been using that mill for 3 years now. That tool change area is going to get very gummed up with the coolant and the pallet is also a pain to keep clean. Haas needs to make it so you have more access to carousel.

I have just a couple of questions regarding the Haas HMC line. 1. Does the controller have any kind of pallet scheduling? For example, would I be able to tell the machine to start with Pallet 2 and run programs 122 & 123 then load pallet 4 and run programs 98 & 100. Also does the load station have a safety mechanism on it to prevent someone from sending a pallet in at say B180 instead of B0?

Weird question, but why do most of the tombstones on the market only have 4 or 2 faces? If you were to use a 5 face pallet or more, I would think that would increase the efficiency. I know that there could be a limitation while reaching some features depending on the size of the material. Am I missing something or is this the way it is because this it the way it has been?

A question, unrelated to this specific video. What is the reason for the current trend for dark walls in the shop environment? Your new shop, and several others I have seen on YT are going that way. I guess, is it more of being trendy? Or is there some other good reason for it?

Great work. What’s the centre material made of on the new pallet system. Thanks.

Hello, how are you? I have a question, please: What is the lifespan of CNC machines? Does the quality of their work decrease over time?

I can see that tombstone being a real hit

would a 6 sided hexagon tomb stone work in this machine?

I’m gonna be honest I don’t think I’m a fan of a chain driven tool carousel, chain can loosen, and have back lash, I would like it might cause issues in the future with tools jamming up, but I can’t wait to see how it does. I feel gear driven would be more reliable.

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