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Hacking Windows TrustedInstaller (GOD MODE) 

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@_JohnHammond
@_JohnHammond Месяц назад
James Forshaw's blog: www.tiraniddo.dev/2017/08/the-art-of-becoming-trustedinstaller.html I love seeing the sentiment for "just run Linux", or "just boot into Safe Mode", or "just attach a recovery USB", etc., but I think in the case of leveraging this for a penetration test, red team engagement, or offensive security work, if it is a remote Windows target (where you can't change the OS or have physical access) you have to live off the land and the constraints of the environment. This process should be valuable when you've got initial access, escalated privileges, and can do further post-exploitation to do damage or set up some sneaky persistence -- you can't as easily make changes, but you can sure as hell run PowerShell code. Just an option and one of many ways to skin a cat :)
@daanmageddon
@daanmageddon Месяц назад
Cheers, was checking the comments for the link, wanna check it out myself and get some more context. Maybe pin it to the top (atm its somewhere down your own page)? Great vid, cheers man.
@_JohnHammond
@_JohnHammond Месяц назад
@@daanmageddon Hmmm, it should be a pinned comment, and is now in the description -- sorry I hadn't had it there earlier! Thanks so much for watching! 💙
@boltez6507
@boltez6507 Месяц назад
Challenge for you, try disabling the delivery optimization service without touching the registry. (i don't know about windows 11 but its pretty tough on windows 10).
@ReligionAndMaterialismDebunked
@ReligionAndMaterialismDebunked Месяц назад
:3 Shalom.
@ReligionAndMaterialismDebunked
@ReligionAndMaterialismDebunked Месяц назад
:3 Reddit is thankfully just 200+ million Google Play downloads for how toxic it gets. Cesspool, indeed. I almost entirely avoid using it. A lot of inaccurate info, down voting anything they don't like, getting banned by groups easily, far-left cancer, far-right cancer, etc.
@dirtnoise0
@dirtnoise0 Месяц назад
I've bricked my vm windows install 3 times this year since I found this channel, excellent video!!
@vidal9747
@vidal9747 Месяц назад
If you use Linux, it is easier to brick your system! Give it a try lol.
@joselozano7585
@joselozano7585 Месяц назад
@Haydenh127
@Haydenh127 Месяц назад
​@@vidal9747this is the way
@ChrisWijtmans
@ChrisWijtmans Месяц назад
@@vidal9747 its also easier to fix.
@Corteum
@Corteum Месяц назад
@@vidal9747 If your'e bricking anything, then you just dont know wtf youre doing isnt it lol
@petersmythe6462
@petersmythe6462 Месяц назад
User: "can I uninstall Edge?" Windows: "absolutely not." User: "can I uninstall the Kernal" Linux: "Let's find out!"
@bluelinden
@bluelinden Месяц назад
linux, afterward: "Welcome to systemd emergency mode!"
@KCKingcollin
@KCKingcollin Месяц назад
I want to like this fun and interesting content about getting back control of Windows, but at the same time I just see this as a bunch of BS steps to get around something that shouldn't have been in the way in the first place, it's so hard to be unbiased about OSs when Windows is this bad lol
@SleepTime-Dark
@SleepTime-Dark Месяц назад
​@@bluelindenSystemd? More like grub recovery shell!
@SleepTime-Dark
@SleepTime-Dark Месяц назад
​@@KCKingcollinIt's incredibly that in old machines, Linux LITERALLY GIVE YOU PERMISSION to destroy the BIOS of the system, that's how powerful it is.
@KCKingcollin
@KCKingcollin Месяц назад
@@SleepTime-Dark That's actually something I didn't know, that's kinda cool, but also sounds dangerous lmao
@maxmyzer9172
@maxmyzer9172 Месяц назад
3:06 what stackoverflow is like now - Q: "How do I do X" A: "Why would you do that? dont do that." (if your lucky they give an alternative) What it should be: "You *can* do that by doing this, but you this is the better way"
@artemisDev
@artemisDev Месяц назад
The problem is the commenters don't know how to do it themselves. And if they don't know something, no one should do that, right? ; )
@elijahjflowers
@elijahjflowers Месяц назад
gpt for the win | in this case
@boltez6507
@boltez6507 Месяц назад
@@elijahjflowers GPT is only good for surface level stuff,i.e. questions that are already answered somewhere on the internet. It's basically useless for any questions that aren't in some way already answered.
@BillAnt
@BillAnt Месяц назад
​@@boltez6507 - GPT = a web-scraper mostly from Wikipedia, which you could do yourself in seconds with better focus. lol
@LuizDahoraavida
@LuizDahoraavida Месяц назад
That's known as a X Y problem
@itzspiro6047
@itzspiro6047 Месяц назад
Now imagine deleting every single internet application apart from teamviewer and anydesk and calling tech scam call centers.
@Nekomosh004
@Nekomosh004 Месяц назад
Amazing idea 😆
@korekd6524
@korekd6524 Месяц назад
That shit would be hilarious
@real_Hinoe
@real_Hinoe Месяц назад
we do a little trolling
@JanyaAndromedaGalactic
@JanyaAndromedaGalactic Месяц назад
THAT HAS TO BE VIDEO, make it happen, i wanna see, im already laughing out loud of the IDEA that they wouldnt find a BROWSER anywhere on windows of all places!
@AjarnSpencer
@AjarnSpencer Месяц назад
why imagine when you can do?
@EricParker
@EricParker Месяц назад
Reminds me of how on XP you could actually become System, complete with XP startmenu identifying as system.
@HoneypawsModsDE
@HoneypawsModsDE Месяц назад
Windows XP were the golden days of computers... I still have a VM on my PC where Windows XP Professional 64-Bit is installed... I even copy-pasted the Pinball Game into Windows 10 AND IT STILL WORKS despite being soooo goddamn old... Also, you make great videos, i love them ❤
@addas4
@addas4 Месяц назад
This to this date can happen if you run explorer.exe as TI or "NT Authority\System" I think he didn't GUI of notepad.exe on 13:28 because he wasn't running explorer.exe as "NT Authority\System" (He ran privileged command prompt from Sysinternals as System)
@kipchickensout
@kipchickensout Месяц назад
I didn't know that :o Man I *just* came here after watching one of your videos xd
@kipchickensout
@kipchickensout Месяц назад
@@HoneypawsModsDE I think they just scrapped it because they couldn't make it run native x64 in time and didn't want to use WoW64 🤔 One beauty of Windows, the backwards compatibility
@_JohnHammond
@_JohnHammond Месяц назад
Great to see you here Eric, I have been loving all your recent videos! 😁
@MisterDevel
@MisterDevel Месяц назад
Redditors are so aggressive about being wrong that it's quite comical.
@nullifier_
@nullifier_ Месяц назад
the single worst thing about reddit is that you get suggestions and advice instead of answers when you come there with a question. I DO NOT ASK HOW BIG IS THE ROOM I SAID "I CAST FIREBALL"
@Klaus293
@Klaus293 Месяц назад
I found Reddit to be an absolutely creepy place. Tried it for a short while…nope, not for me.
@KK-eg3em
@KK-eg3em Месяц назад
Reddit is a hivemind of group think. You made a great decision.
@lemau8458
@lemau8458 Месяц назад
The entirety of the site is like that, everybody thinks they know everything and are aggressive as shit about everything. That's why I stopped using it.
@NoshLambeaux
@NoshLambeaux Месяц назад
Classic behavior.
@H3_remix
@H3_remix Месяц назад
I really enjoyed the way you broke this problem down. Add this to the list of follies that is Windows OS. Once Linux is fully able to boot whatever games I want I will fully drop windows. It’s so annoying to have to jump through so many hoops to delete programs from your own PC.
@akosv96
@akosv96 Месяц назад
The fact that this is denied by Microsoft as a vulnerability, instead they call it "normal behavior" raises all kinds of red flags to me. Not that Windows in itself wasn't one huge backdoor already... for all that matters I cannot check for myself as the OS is proprietary. Fixing this exploit would probably put a lot of "cheap and easy" backdoors out of service as privileges would work much better.
@revival_of_the_canned_justice
@revival_of_the_canned_justice Месяц назад
I will only switch to Linux when le terminal™ is no longer used for everything (even the most basic thing), but that will never happen, which is bad because the only good thing it currently does is shutting down in less than a minute
@friker9236
@friker9236 Месяц назад
@@revival_of_the_canned_justiceThat is incorrect, you can do everything without using terminal.
@amongsussyballs
@amongsussyballs 29 дней назад
@@revival_of_the_canned_justice have u actually tried linux
@orngjce223
@orngjce223 27 дней назад
Steam's work on Proton has greatly enhanced game compatibility on Linux in the past few years; if you last checked for compatibility before the release of the Steam Deck it may be worth taking another look.
@gacekkosmatek
@gacekkosmatek Месяц назад
There is a plugin for Process Hacker which allows you to start any process with TrustedInstaller permissions and even run GUI apps like cmd.
@Mavendow
@Mavendow Месяц назад
PSExec can do it via command line.
@JBSbass
@JBSbass Месяц назад
@@HEXiT_ triggering a dumb AV program is simply an elevated permission state. Get your plugin from the dev and you can turn AV off and just use MB's who are more than aware of Process Hacker. Anyone with a modern PC should be using a VM to run Process Hacker on first anyway and if you aren't already then you haven't learnt that lesson yet. Image your OS into a VM, test and then decide. Only kids run exe's or scripts on their gaming machines.
@NameThievery
@NameThievery Месяц назад
cmd is the exact opposite of a GUI app. It's descended of MS-DOS and was the equivalent of a Linux shell or...whatever BSD derived thing iFruit computers use. You have limited scripting and access to MS-DOS operating system executables like COPY, DELETE, etc. Up to Windows 98, in fact, MS-DOS, or that same command prompt, bootstrapped Windows, and there were MS-DOS configuration files for Windows that probably caused a lot of headache for Microsoft, leading to what has been a slow, slow move away from it, starting with XP. It remains as a useful artifact of the past, but if you use Windows Terminal in Windows today, the default tab will be a Powershell prompt. Anyway, GUI stands for "Graphical User Interface."
@IsaacShoebottom
@IsaacShoebottom Месяц назад
​@@NameThievery CMD by default opens as a terminal emulator and a shell. A terminal emulator is a GUI app. CMD is a GUI app.
@LitheInLitotes
@LitheInLitotes Месяц назад
​@@HEXiT_ that could be said of anything. Stuff the fear mongering. Windows is literally spyware
@cyberdevil657
@cyberdevil657 Месяц назад
Every single time i watch Jhon Hammond i look at myself and say : I'm a noob in IT even though i was that strange kid that was obsessed over computers out of curiosity. I was the only kid who hacked my school and sold wifi passwords for admin privilege at my first year of high-school. I fixed my first laptop (from a friend) replacement with hardware when i was 11 but yet Jhon Hammond reminds me the learning curve in IT is ENDLESS! *GOD I LOVE THE ENDLESS LEARNING*
@leventekovacs1441
@leventekovacs1441 Месяц назад
Guess what, recently Windows started harassing me with the win11 update by installing a program called RUXIM, and every time i deleted it windows just installed it back. So i changed the privilige from system to me, and i denied write access for system :d
@leventekovacs1441
@leventekovacs1441 Месяц назад
I actually pulled an uno revers card on the system. " If I can't touch your files, then you can't touch mine"
@Corteum
@Corteum Месяц назад
Yes. Ruximics exe > Properties > Security tab > Advanced > Change Owner (from SYSTEM or TrustedInstaller to your user name) > Apply > Edit permissions > Deny ALL
@Mario583a
@Mario583a Месяц назад
So... let me get this straight: RUXIM helps keep Windows updated and performing well by scheduling and delivering necessary updates.. Why delet?
@virgo113
@virgo113 Месяц назад
It doesn't do that. It pesters you to upgrade to 11. wuauclt.exe along with several other binaries handles system patches.
@itsarian.
@itsarian. Месяц назад
​@@Mario583aaverage reddit comment
@HopliteSecurity
@HopliteSecurity Месяц назад
Whoa, this was a great video with some even better enthusiasm! Thanks for sharing this, I learned several new things and I have some new ideas for setting up security policies around the trusted installer or attempts to a abuse it. 🙏🙏🙏🔥🔥🔥
@giganetom
@giganetom Месяц назад
Hahaha, this thumbnail aged like fine wine :D
@ghfgh_
@ghfgh_ Месяц назад
How it was uploaded 8 days ago it doesn’t have time to age
@poatatoooo
@poatatoooo Месяц назад
Wait i dont get it
@Plane_Person
@Plane_Person 15 дней назад
?
@stamdar1
@stamdar1 Месяц назад
13:45 Notepad.exe is not a service binary. "Service binaries are different in the sense that they must “check in” to the service control manager (SCM) and if it doesn’t, it will exit execution." -specterops, Offensive Lateral Movement
@byteafterlife
@byteafterlife Месяц назад
In other words, removing bloatware with the equivalent of Linux sudo
@ilekpilek
@ilekpilek Месяц назад
fr hahaha
@generalfishcake
@generalfishcake Месяц назад
Or delete the windows stuff through a secondary Linux os
@Alfred-Neuman
@Alfred-Neuman Месяц назад
I'm pretty sure it could also be used by a malicious software to remove the current antivirus and then install itself as TrustedInstaller to incrust itself into the system... Even better would be to replace the AV by a fake one so it takes more time for the user suspect anything wrong.
@Lofote
@Lofote Месяц назад
You can remove that stuff without such tricks in official ways you know.
@Lofote
@Lofote Месяц назад
@@Alfred-Neuman You don't need TrustedInstaller for that. An administrator can set the AV program without any additional rights. In fact every AV installer does this: register itself as the main antivirus program by setting a simple key in the registry, that is writeable by an admin.
@NameThievery
@NameThievery Месяц назад
Fixing the family computer when my dad broke it when I was a kid is what started my hacking journey and a lifelong love of computers. Break all the things!
@Padgriffin
@Padgriffin Месяц назад
Mine was breaking my dad’s XP install on his laptop by writing batch files and him making me fix it lol
@dunngunkadoid
@dunngunkadoid Месяц назад
I barely use that joke of a website but every time I've had to because there was no other option, 99% of my experience from reddit has been almost exactly what you showed in the video. Armchair redditors answering everything besides the question you're asking and in the most condescending way possible. I unironically have more competent conversations with people on /b/ than anywhere I've been forced to go on reddit. Great video btw
@xxlibarat0rxx280
@xxlibarat0rxx280 Месяц назад
Amazing how people on Reddit will just bash you over and over for asking a simple question, on a tech forum nonetheless. Absolutely ridiculous behavior from these people
@Hoplixus
@Hoplixus Месяц назад
Do you know a place where poeple are not like that ?
@YTDeletes90PercentOfMyComments
@YTDeletes90PercentOfMyComments Месяц назад
They're fake idiots farming karma. None of them would exist on a real hacking forum.
@throwaway6478
@throwaway6478 Месяц назад
To be completely fair, the number of people I've seen complaining "hurr durr winblows bad because something broke while i was randomly changing registry values/acls/system files" over the decades suggests there is a huge number of Dunning-Krugers out there who really have no idea what they're doing. Feel free to run out in the middle of the highway and play in the traffic, but don't expect me to help you.
@laljaka
@laljaka Месяц назад
@@throwaway6478 I'll help you play in the middle of a highway :)
@kintustis
@kintustis Месяц назад
sounds like rtfm neckbeards
@TinyDeskEngineer
@TinyDeskEngineer Месяц назад
"You have unlocked god mode." "For more information on this issue..."
@NathanOsman
@NathanOsman Месяц назад
The reason you're getting the error when setting binpath for the service is because there are certain requirements for executables designed to operate as Windows services, one of which is to respond to queries from the service control manager. Obviously tools that aren't designed this way (like cmd.exe) don't respond and the service control manager thinks "this service is not responding and didn't start correctly." The reason you still see the executable being run is due to a small timeout that the service control manager uses to wait for the service to initialize. The reason you can't see graphical applications like notepad is because services don't run under the local user session and don't have access to the desktop.
@SebastianTheNovice
@SebastianTheNovice Месяц назад
It might also be worthwhile noting that any process run in "Session 0" will always result be in a non-gui context. AFAIK "most" services are run as Session 0 meaning they will never have a GUI to interact with.
@VIVEVIEV
@VIVEVIEV Месяц назад
It’s seems like every new video John’s hair grows larger and flows further up and to the left maybe one day it will look like Johnny Bravo’s
@Mario583a
@Mario583a Месяц назад
Last I checked, Johnny Bravo did not have a beard nor a mustache. Edit: I doubt Mr. Hammond will shave them off.
@VIVEVIEV
@VIVEVIEV Месяц назад
@@Mario583a​​⁠meant more the height of his hair
@militaryuniformprincess
@militaryuniformprincess 13 дней назад
I subbed because I liked your beard. Second, your IT knowledge is somewhat refreshing.
@hgbugalou
@hgbugalou Месяц назад
You should be able to run a GUI app, you just need to flag the service to interact with the desktop. It's been a while since I have messed with with, but its an option for launching a service somewhere.
@stanislavpetkov7408
@stanislavpetkov7408 Месяц назад
You can not do this past windows xp (early 7). Session 0, can not have window (CreateWindow does not work)
@kipchickensout
@kipchickensout Месяц назад
@@stanislavpetkov7408 Yeah I think I wanted to have a gui app run as a service in win10 and was sad after my research
@shantilkhadatkar1195
@shantilkhadatkar1195 Месяц назад
I think I saw a video of enderman just doing that. Gui apps all worked except for explorer.exe if I remember correctly
@Lofote
@Lofote Месяц назад
It was possible in NT4 and 2000, because there the interactive user was on window station session 0. THis is now randomized and so this was intentionally killed.
@hgbugalou
@hgbugalou Месяц назад
@@Lofote really? I could have swore I have done it in XP and Win7 back in the day.
@bastintripletroubleboys2101
@bastintripletroubleboys2101 Месяц назад
As admin you can take ownership of the folder and then remove "Trusted installer" from the permissions, add yourself as full control and then delete the folder. Alternatively I removed trusted installer as a user from the local account, which breaks all the permissions, you can then take ownership of the whole drive, obviously this is a massive security risk though. This was on the first release of windows 10, this may be harder or impossible now. The other thing this does is prevents the os from doing updates as it no longer has permission to save updates to the staging folder it uses, so if you want an update you need to do it yourself
@dahahaka
@dahahaka Месяц назад
14:00 notepad isn't showing up because services are started in Session 0, it's a special windows session (like being logged in as another user that would also be a different session), you can even see it in process explorer :)
@乂
@乂 Месяц назад
Great video, very informative! Thanks for sharing your knowledge!
@EpicNoobx
@EpicNoobx Месяц назад
get out
@LogCat-j5u
@LogCat-j5u 13 дней назад
Absolutely hands down one of the best tutorials I've seen in a long time John you did a fabulous job breaking down this tutorial for everyone whether your new or a seasoned veteran absolutely hit the mark thank you for a great video
@M4N14C4L
@M4N14C4L Месяц назад
it's your fault, wasn't it john?
@Jxhsxn
@Jxhsxn Месяц назад
why do i keep seeing these comments?? i dont get it
@rqxk
@rqxk Месяц назад
@@Jxhsxn we know what you did.
@AdrianneDickenson
@AdrianneDickenson Месяц назад
@@Jxhsxnidk but based on the user of the username of the commenter, it’s a bot. And for the person who replied to you, probably just a troll
@MaybeYou911
@MaybeYou911 15 дней назад
Thank you I downloaded profile pic
@KiLVaiDeN
@KiLVaiDeN Месяц назад
So funny, when he deletes "Windows Mail", says we nuke that up, and laughs "it's gone" ! Great video, into the arcanes of Windows, but man it's overcomplicated, not your fault though :)
@boltez6507
@boltez6507 Месяц назад
Challenge for you, try disabling the delivery optimization service without touching the registry. (i don't know about windows 11 but its pretty tough on windows 10). Also I don't even know why it can't be disabled even after taking ownership of its parent service i.e. the infamous svhost.
@vinzzbe
@vinzzbe Месяц назад
You should be able to launch UI apps from a service (eg TrustedInstaller) when you configure the option 'allow interaction with the desktop' on the service. Windows will then ask you to open a separate user interface which in turn will show the service app on screen.
@roboverholt9959
@roboverholt9959 Месяц назад
I was on the path to be a programmer, but I got kicked out of computer science in high school for getting caught having full access to the hd, bypassing the name/password.. I didn't keep up with it. I became a musician for the last 25 years and became really good at that, realizing now, If i would have continued my computer programming path, I'd be smart enough to follow all of this video, but now it's over my head.. lol.. The way he talks as if it's obvious to do this and that.. Shake my head and smile, the world is in the hands of people far smarter than I ... :)
@MattExzy
@MattExzy Месяц назад
That reminds me, but not as technical... I forget how I did it, but late 90s high school computer class, I made the login window on NT 4.0 show up as porn. On all 30 computers in the lab. I was on the shitlist from then on.
@roboverholt9959
@roboverholt9959 Месяц назад
@@MattExzy I also guessed a student in another classes password, but they thought I hacked everyone's, so they made an announcement that everyone including the teachers all had to change their passwords... lol I told them the truth but they didn't believe me..
@LabelsAreMeaningless
@LabelsAreMeaningless Месяц назад
It's not about being smarter, it's about taking the time to learn. Your choice if you do it or not. Sometimes it's harder for intelligent people to learn things because they're not used to hitting barriers/hurdles, so the moment they do they simply stop. Those who are used to struggling often get further because to them hurdles are the norm.
@noanyobiseniss7462
@noanyobiseniss7462 Месяц назад
@@roboverholt9959 In college I was not happy that they would not give me privileges on the lab computer I worked on (6 months from my CE) and thought a simple boot locker was sufficient to secure the systems so as a joke I accessed the boot locker and turned on the screen saver function and used "Micheal Angelo at Work !!!" as the bouncing text and came back the next monday to find out they had low level formatted all the internal systems at the school! LOL what a bunch of idiots.
@noanyobiseniss7462
@noanyobiseniss7462 Месяц назад
@@LabelsAreMeaningless Its more difficult for more intelligent people to learn things that do not adhere to logic such as languages. When contradictory information just boils down to rote memorization the more intelligent among us will go off on tangents to find out why and how to fix the problem rather than just memorizing and moving on. And when they figure out how to fix the problem they will find out they are running into entrenched established institutional monoliths that will fight them tooth and nail rather than admit any wrong which is the first step to addressing change.
@user-hi8bo2pk2g
@user-hi8bo2pk2g Месяц назад
THIS IS WHAT WE COME HERE FOR JOHN!! YOU HAVE A PASS TO DO A FULL VIDEO ON A SPONSOR!!
@CoenBijpost
@CoenBijpost Месяц назад
That thumbnail was kind of prophetic, it seems 😂
@NoahHornberger
@NoahHornberger Месяц назад
a bored guy at crowd strike followed the tutorial, I suppose
@mikami5799
@mikami5799 Месяц назад
I thought this is today’s video, you actually time travelled!
@mrfriendly9956
@mrfriendly9956 Месяц назад
Always fun John, thanks!
@kriz5652
@kriz5652 Месяц назад
TrustedInstaller is so called Well-Known Security Principal, it is not visible in the local SAM database and is built-in the OS
@privatechannel1272
@privatechannel1272 Месяц назад
There are also the "Network Service" and "Loacl Service" users, I saw that some of my services were running at those "accounts", so what are those?
@haraberu
@haraberu Месяц назад
"SYSTEM" has full admin privileges "Local Service" has privileges similar to a regular non-admin user "Network Service" has the same privileges as "Local Service" but it can use the computer's identity. This one is a bit complex: First off, if there is no central password management server, "Local Service" and "Network Service" are the same. Otherwise... Assuming... * You're in a university with an "Active Directory Domain Controller" server that manages the users and passwords for the entire network * There's a shared network folder Z:\ * You are logged on as user "Steve" on the PC "Library-01" Then... * GUI programs on the desktop will access the shared folder as "Steve" * "Local Service" will try to access the shared folder as a guest with no password * "Network Service" will access the shared folder as "Library-01$" Hope this makes sense.
@privatechannel1272
@privatechannel1272 Месяц назад
@@haraberu Thanks for the explanation 😛 Even though I didn't understand 50% of it the first time I read it, but I quess these "accounts" just exist because some software requires these special properties to work.
@AlphactoryAT
@AlphactoryAT Месяц назад
I did a lot of this research a few years ago and got stuck where you were at like 12:45. This is awesome, seeing the next steps I could never quite get. Will be removing windows defender from my computer as soon as I get home
@n-i-n-o
@n-i-n-o Месяц назад
Or just run NSudo and run the process with TI priv
@spicybaguette7706
@spicybaguette7706 Месяц назад
Windows: "Noooo you can't uninstall critical software it will brick your installation noooo!!!" Linux: "Hahah rm -rf / go brrrrr"
@revival_of_the_canned_justice
@revival_of_the_canned_justice Месяц назад
The only reason anyone would type that is if the FBI came knocking on your doors (that says a lot about you guys, honestly 🤨)
@surr3ald3sign
@surr3ald3sign 15 дней назад
​@@revival_of_the_canned_justiceits called a joke bruh 😐 its funny because WE all understand that unlike you apparently
@revival_of_the_canned_justice
@revival_of_the_canned_justice 15 дней назад
@@surr3ald3sign I know what it does, you fanboy
@djchaznyc7709
@djchaznyc7709 Месяц назад
Here specifically to spite RU-vid not letting you get ad dollars on this. Great content as always. It's a nice break from my web app pentest studies
@MrChrisRP
@MrChrisRP Месяц назад
Penetration testing doesn't matter when you give away the credentials or other valuable information directly in the software. Keep it in mind and keep on keeping on. Best to ya.
@djchaznyc7709
@djchaznyc7709 Месяц назад
@@MrChrisRP I appreciate that got a code injection that allowed me to etc/passed the other night and it made me extatic
@KCKingcollin
@KCKingcollin Месяц назад
Meanwhile in Linux the root user is all powerful, and requires none of this weird working around
@SleepTime-Dark
@SleepTime-Dark Месяц назад
Yeah, any admin can just do "sudo su" and tad-dam! Full system acess granted, i can even delete Windows protected files mounted on Linux.
@Spiderfffun
@Spiderfffun Месяц назад
@@SleepTime-Dark any way i can use rm -rf to remove depression?
@logiciananimal
@logiciananimal Месяц назад
At 14:00 or so - you need to presumably have to start something that will either act as a service or will do something before the service controller kills it. I thought services had a different entry point than ordinary applications, so I was surprised this approach worked.
@cram000
@cram000 Месяц назад
so it was you
@stanislavsmetanin1307
@stanislavsmetanin1307 18 дней назад
Always something to learn. Great job, John. Thx.
@bohs2000
@bohs2000 Месяц назад
this thumbnail has not aged well 🤣
@CoenBijpost
@CoenBijpost Месяц назад
Or amazingly well!
@WarLightning042
@WarLightning042 Месяц назад
what happened? I've been living under a rock.
@saltysalt397
@saltysalt397 Месяц назад
@@WarLightning042watch his most recent video
@bjangles8718
@bjangles8718 Месяц назад
Global computer/server outages due to solar winds endpoint security update causing BSOD on all windows machines it was pulled to. Hospitals, airlines and other critical infrastructure affected worldwide
@khalidck17
@khalidck17 Месяц назад
Crowdstrike not solar winds​@@bjangles8718
@DaniMartVTen
@DaniMartVTen Месяц назад
I have a legal question: (Note: using analogy here, no demand for accuracy is required to make the point.) If "Trusted Installer" is the Windsows OS owned by Microsoft, akin to an OS installed on an electric app-capable vehicle owned by the same vehicle company, the subscription service to make the car's computer work is what makes the vehicle function, the lease or owner has a no-right-to-repair clause because both the vehicle and the OS are proprietary, the same we would expect of a Microsoft computer running Windows, just like Google runs Chromebook. Ok, so just like we'll never see a truck OS on a jeep vehicle, we won't see Windows on a Chromebook, not without extensive modification and agreement between companies for such, so an agreement-to-modify exists. So....why is Windows operating a Trusted Installer limitation on non-Microsoft computers where it doesn't have authority to compel an owner to operate their computer to OS standards not designed explicitly for it? The OS must match the device for it to function, be it a vehicle or computer, in order for tangible operations to match digital limitations, whereby the digital is limiting the tangible, like how Windows wouldn't be compatible to a Chromebook inherently, the agreement to modify must prevail, with or without license? I say this because purchasing Windows OS is not requiring a Microsoft computer explicitly.
@surr3ald3sign
@surr3ald3sign 15 дней назад
You are, and i mean this as close to literal as possible, comparing apples to oranges here... first off trustedinstaller is not the OS, it is just a brick wall within the windows os designed to keep idiots from bricking their system and has been used to also protect their bloatware. And second do you remember the part of your windows installation where it said something to the effect of "terms and conditions" you are literally agreeing to everything they do, and a chromebook is infact designed to run on the windows os idk what tf you think it runs on, so that part of your "point" literally meant nothing. And to rain on your parade some more, if you own a computer of any kind, odds are microsoft owns some part or all of it bc they own like 90% of all computer technology atp bc they just buy out any competition. Go ahead and look up who owns all those different companies that make the parts in your computer and youll notice, unsuprisingly, that microsoft either owns them or owns a major part of their company and thus more or less owns them anyway. And imma just absolurely rip on you now for that last part "the os must match the device in order for it to function" factually incorrect as the os and the hardware are 2 VASTLY different and incomparable things, the hardware provides the body and the os provides the brain (see THATS how you make an analogy that makes sense in this context btw) the reason vehicles work differently is bc each vehicle company functions ENTIRELY inpdepandant of one another where as consumer use computers are made by many different companies all working together (and still ofc microsoft owning an uncomfortable majority of them bc they are a monopoly) so to attempt to actually answer your question is pointless bc you have a general misunderstanding of even the base concept of software versus hardware and have failed to make a question that makes any form of sense, itd be like if i asked you what your favorite color of the alphebet is, it doesnt make any sense bc thats not even remotely how either of those things work, does that kinda help guide you towards the general idea of what im trying to tell you?
@MotFPS
@MotFPS Месяц назад
reddit used to be a cool place to get help and meet great people. Today it's complete garbage, highly politicized, and just down right filled with wrong information. I miss old reddit before mods ruined the site.
@guarryReal
@guarryReal Месяц назад
why was this so fun to leave on the background
@1ts_Neo
@1ts_Neo Месяц назад
well well well
@mabell01
@mabell01 13 дней назад
It's a deep subject! 🙃
@gregorymorse8423
@gregorymorse8423 Месяц назад
The reason the service timeout errors occur is that you are running applications and not services, where service executables handle events and ate stateful based on them e.g. start, stop, pause, resume, etc
@privatechannel1272
@privatechannel1272 Месяц назад
That "GOD MODE" probably got many people clicking on this video :D
@Corteum
@Corteum Месяц назад
As you can attest! Lol
@timseguine2
@timseguine2 Месяц назад
I actually used some of this one time. I had installed the SSD from my old laptop as a second drive in my new laptop. I had some large and important media on it so I didn't want to reformat it, because I didn't have enough spare diskspace to copy it to first. So figuring out how to dupe TrustedInstaller entries in the ACL was the only way to make the hard drive look like a normal secondary harddrive.
@privatechannel1272
@privatechannel1272 Месяц назад
Does the SYSTEM and/or TrustedInstaller privilege thing run at the kernel level, or just a very high privilege level outside the kernel? 2nd Question: Are all kernel drivers and other kernel software running *in the ntoskrnl.exe process* OR *outside the ntoskrnl.exe process* in a service or something?
@lordechnobas
@lordechnobas Месяц назад
for 1) trusted installer is just a dummy privilege used to own system files (think component store/winsxs and msstore) to prevent malicious modifications and accidental deletions. it isn't a security boundary and is unrelated to the kernel. ill leave 2 for someone with more expertise regarding the kernel.
@Mavendow
@Mavendow Месяц назад
Kernel mode drivers run in the same context as the kernel, and on windows, they generally use the native Windows API. But they do not necessarily need to interact with the OS. If they're launched via a UEFI bootstrapper they can technically run entirely platform independent. They can directly interact with hardware through interrupts, PCI lanes, and unvirtualized memory addresses. They don't _have_ to, but they can. Therefore, they're not resident in any specific process unless injected. They do often operate on Windows via svchost as a service, though, since this is a simple way to manage such low-level drivers. This is why the SC command is typically used to launch them. However, note that services and kernel mode drivers are not the same thing! The kernel mode driver has far less restrictive permissions. Therefore, the service needs to be specifically configured to launch such drivers in the proper context.
@privatechannel1272
@privatechannel1272 Месяц назад
​@@Mavendow Thank you for the VERY detailed explanation of the second question ❤ I didn't know that drivers could be launched via a "UEFI bootstrapper". I thought that the only task for the BIOS/UEFI relating to the OS was to launch the "OS boot instruction code" (or BOOTMGR for the Windows OS), but from what I understood from your speech, there are other capabilities as well such as loading drivers.
@Mavendow
@Mavendow Месяц назад
​@@privatechannel1272 Yes, this is how the LAN and USB works in some modern UEFIs. It would be a hassle to hardcode every individual motherboard's configuration. Drivers basically expose hardware properties to specific memory addresses that other firmware or software can hook, therefore a driver written without proprietary code can technically work in any context. Though, in the case of Windows, DLL/SYS itself is proprietary. More often these will be compiled as SO or shared objects.
@privatechannel1272
@privatechannel1272 Месяц назад
@@lordechnobas Thank you for clearing up my ignorance 👍
@HoosierCallin
@HoosierCallin Месяц назад
If you hold SHIFT and reset your computer, then select trouble shoot - advanced and select command prompt. You can delete any file you want. I just deleted windows defender using this simple method
@christopherclea1
@christopherclea1 Месяц назад
Cool video I always wanted info on Trusted Installer.
@saumyacow4435
@saumyacow4435 Месяц назад
Windows is an absolute unfixable disaster.
@KK-eg3em
@KK-eg3em Месяц назад
It's fine for plebs like me.
@Oyakinya-Izuki
@Oyakinya-Izuki Месяц назад
​@@KK-eg3em Until they blue screen you or use the recall feature ;)
@fellipec
@fellipec Месяц назад
So MS trying to transform Windows in a smartphone again and locking the admin from his own files. Miss the old days of NT4 where being part of Administrator's group already gave you all this, like Dave Cutler wanted.
@whiplash..777
@whiplash..777 Месяц назад
Linux, Linux and Linux
@Sasquatchbones
@Sasquatchbones Месяц назад
Parrot OS and Mint are fantastic
@nullkv
@nullkv Месяц назад
Tetris , tetris, and tetris
@atorik1076
@atorik1076 Месяц назад
Too many bugs and insecure asf. all hobby projects. For serious stuff NO. For fun def yes
@KizukiKotataki
@KizukiKotataki Месяц назад
@@atorik1076 it's fine to be ignorant on the internet, but hopefully not irl. If Linux were really to be a hobby project, it shouldn't be used as servers by Microsoft itself. RedHat literally exists, that's a hobby project?
@vonexploits3925
@vonexploits3925 Месяц назад
@@atorik1076how to sound like a moron
@salat
@salat Месяц назад
14:21 You would have to enable "Allow service to interact with desktop" in the service configuration..
@ctr0n675
@ctr0n675 24 дня назад
Didn't watch the full video yet, but. If you right click your windows drive, go to security write and read, set your account to full access, you can do what ever you want with your files. hope this helps.
@chapol8573
@chapol8573 Месяц назад
Great. Had some issues with TI and at the end I forced to reinstall windoes but the path for beging forced to delete my windows was actually educative.
@AndreaBorman
@AndreaBorman Месяц назад
You can install Take Ownership which lets you take ownership of the file so you can edit or delete it. I used to do that on Windows 7 and 8 when I was using it. You could also unlock God Mode by editing the Windows Explorer file by typing in a registry key. I don't know if that's changed on Windows 10 because I am using Linux now.
@Mr--_--M
@Mr--_--M Месяц назад
That thumbnail has been really popular the past few days 😅
@thegameraudi3687
@thegameraudi3687 Месяц назад
0:39 you could use iobit unlocker and unlock and delete it
@diskgrind3410
@diskgrind3410 Месяц назад
Love watching CMD - powershell users. This is way above my pay grade, but I love peaking behind the curtain.
@cheddarcheez007
@cheddarcheez007 Месяц назад
I don’t understand any of this but I find it enjoyable
@frodo4503
@frodo4503 Месяц назад
Actually during windows install when you see preparing setting up services youre actually trusted installer for a moment (with mouse and keyboard suspension tho) and oobe where you setup your first account is run as NT authority/system. With right knowledge you can create account as trusted installer during preparation which leads to stealing sid and registering it as normal user. Full control over files despite a lot of bugs and apps not working correctly but a fun experiment to do.
@throwaway6478
@throwaway6478 Месяц назад
You're actually LocalSystem for the early parts of OOBE, then in Windows 10 and later, it switches to defaultuser0 for the question panels. At no point are you interactively TrustedInstaller.
@user-hs1kp5wg2d
@user-hs1kp5wg2d Месяц назад
Finally you upload John
@JustinEmlay
@JustinEmlay Месяц назад
Interesting. This would be much less evasive then constantly taking ownership of termsrv every time you want to edit it for....reasons. Then storing the original permissions and changing it back at the end.
@SumNumber
@SumNumber Месяц назад
The way I get rid of ANYTHING I want on windows is to boot from the usb recovery disk offered by windows and then drop to a cmd prompt. I can then dir/delete/move etc anything and that includes hidden and system files as well. A great utility for browsing the windows hard drive from DOS is called Q-Dir and that would be the portable version. Another trick to have complete control of all windows files is to boot up a live Linux system from usb and browse that way with the sudo. In some instances when trying to access the windows hard drive from a Linux boot disk the windows disk will be locked and you cannot work with it. The fix , trick, is to do a restart from windows and when the screen goes blank showing windows is shut down press and hold the computer off button until the computer completely shuts down. Now boot up into your Live Linux and mount the windows hard drive . Using the root option then browse windows and do what you like! I like using a gui interface like Linux when doing operations on windows files because of all the file utilities available. :O)
@sent4dc
@sent4dc Месяц назад
The reason your Notepad didn't show up on your desktop is because you were running it from the "session 0" which does not have a desktop. So it was running, but couldn't display it's GUI.
@vampirenero6719
@vampirenero6719 16 дней назад
The more I lean about how Windows wants to control you the more I wish to move to Linux. I think I might do that soon.
@DaVince21
@DaVince21 Месяц назад
Love how the NTAPI undocumented functions website looks like an old school help file!
@clarkesuperman
@clarkesuperman Месяц назад
I go around TrustedInstaller on systems that are low on disk space, so I can relocate the Windows Update folders to a secondary drive. The LCU and SoftwareDistribution folders can fill up very quickly and the computer will cease to update. It’s nice to be able to move those around as needed.
@𠀖
@𠀖 Месяц назад
this is much cool. A long time ago I found out about a process hacker addon that allowed me to run stuff with the permissions of trusted installer. It required admin access and had something to do with services. I mainly used it for tampering with old Windows drives with total commander, because my host os refused to let me into the user folders and taking ownership was not ideal. I wanna try making my own automated powershell script now
@NSA-admin
@NSA-admin День назад
This brings back the feelings of system privs with the at command on XP
@KeritechElectronics
@KeritechElectronics Месяц назад
"...for I have become TrustedInstaller, destroyer of Windows." --Barbara Millicent Roberts-Oppenheimer
@TheBatGOD
@TheBatGOD 8 дней назад
Nice Man U Have Clearly Earned My Sub This Is A Game Changer 100% Thank You
@Animal_lives_matter
@Animal_lives_matter Месяц назад
Funnily enough I ran into this issue recently - I was trying to create a desktop shortcut to the Realtek control panel. Little did I know the Realtek's exe is stored in WindowsApps folder which is owned by TrustedInstaller. I managed to change the owner to Administrator but it still wouldn't let me look inside WindowsApps folder. So there you go, the absolute state of Windows. Can't even create a desktop shortcut anymore. I also can't create desktop shortcuts to webpages or documents on my Android phone. Amazing.
@tarushchaturvedi
@tarushchaturvedi Месяц назад
You can't run interactive shells or gui apps because services run in session 0 which to my knowledge can't be accessed anymore.
@DennouNeko
@DennouNeko Месяц назад
The reason why the command fails is because neither cmd nor notepad follow the API required from services. And services are not allowed to use GUI, hence notepad didn't even display, just got killed after timeout.
@Pikachu-iw1se
@Pikachu-iw1se 22 дня назад
This brings me back to high school, I used to screw with settings enough that I was able to access the trusted installer security pass, Since I was a TI, I had the access to change the permissions for every other file system on my laptop, and every other device on the schools local network, Good times, good times,
@Pikachu-iw1se
@Pikachu-iw1se 22 дня назад
Also, if you just tap the change button in the properties settings, if you are already TI, then you’ll be able to change the highest access to modify those files to the user group and just be able to access TI restricted files and turn them into user accessible files, Recommendation.. fuck around and find out
@CU.SpaceCowboy
@CU.SpaceCowboy Месяц назад
as an admin, you could also inject your payload into a system owned process like lasass or printspooler to get nt system shell without psexec
Месяц назад
"King Osirus" ->Great Observation and Reporting.
@RomanianProductions
@RomanianProductions Месяц назад
If I’m not mistaken, the reason why notepad didn’t appear is because services run in a separate desktop/winstation in session 0
@owlsmol
@owlsmol Месяц назад
yeah I noticed. I WAS expecting a seperate video but this is perfect. Thanks.
@Margen67
@Margen67 Месяц назад
Owls need HUGS
@owlsmol
@owlsmol Месяц назад
@@Margen67 Indeed. :D
@kristofdeconinck2917
@kristofdeconinck2917 Месяц назад
@John Hammond how do you do that scrolling-thingie @1:48?
@TiagoJoaoSilva
@TiagoJoaoSilva Месяц назад
start a new powershell with admin privileges with: start powershell -v runas -arg "-noexit". After -noexit and inside the quotes you can add a command or a script, and then skip -noexit if you want the admin window to close when the command ends (but you won't see any errors) - doesn't make you NT Authority/System, though
@flimsyfox
@flimsyfox 27 дней назад
Fun story: I once had to install a sketchy "run executable as" app to run an antivirus installer as TrustedInstaller because a malware was preventing me from running the antivirus installer normally. The malware of course didn't have much of a chance after that.
@johndafuni
@johndafuni Месяц назад
THANKS FOR TEACHING ME THIS POWER, FELLOW JOHN!!
@connecticutaggie
@connecticutaggie Месяц назад
Probably what happened when you ran notepad as TrustedInstaller is that is started but it started under "session 0" that does not have a visible UI. I ran into this same problem with a service we wrote to run instrument drivers and one of the drivers used Active-X to interface to an application that talked to the vendor's hardware (the only option they provided). In this case sometimes their application would ask me to say "OK" but because the app was launched from the service, the UI was hidden and we could not see the error. Running the app locally allowed me to answer the question and not to ask again and the problem was resolved.
@coppersteel27
@coppersteel27 Месяц назад
Good to see you're back.
@GeorgeTsiros
@GeorgeTsiros Месяц назад
I like how Install-Module worked with the _wrong_ TrustedInstaller configuration Which implies TrustedInstaller is not exactly responsible for everything related to installing stuff on the system
@nearby.forest
@nearby.forest 17 дней назад
Thanks John. Very helpful unlike the first top Google results. 😡
@DolfinoPlays
@DolfinoPlays 25 дней назад
I ain’t gonna lie I have no clue what’s going on in this video but I’m still so interested in watching it
@Thph793
@Thph793 10 дней назад
Bro has never heard of Advanced Run...
@shotmaster661
@shotmaster661 Месяц назад
Why not install the windows nt version made to obey EU laws that doesn't have many pre installed programs and stuff by Microsoft?
@DarkForce2024
@DarkForce2024 15 дней назад
It's actually all the same installation distribution. During installation just pick one of those EU countries, but select language/keyboard as English (World) or something instead of English (US). You might see "colour" instead of "color" or some other nonsense but it will work just fine.
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