Haiku - The Open Source Successor to BeOS (Overview & Demo)

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Not long after the fall of BeOS, the Haiku project came onto the scene to continue its legacy. And today we're going to install and explore it!
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@farhanatashiga3721 Год назад

To see an in-developement open source OS that's not a linux distro is fascinating

@wikwayer Год назад

Linux is getting too bloated for older machines I think only antix could work😢tbh

@baseduck Год назад

See: SerenityOS, Redox

@thelakeman2538 Год назад

All the different BSDs are a thing too. But yeah Haiku looks pretty cool.

@NaoPb Год назад

@@wikwayer besides antix, q4os is kinda nice too. Though maybe slightly more heavy. Puppy linux would have been great if they still supported x86 but I think they have dropped that.

@kreuner11 Год назад

Have you saw SerenityOS

@waddlesplash Год назад

Haiku development team member here. Thanks for an excellent video! The "CDPlayer" application is available in the software depot, but as it's based around CD drive features that are obsolete on modern systems, it's not of much use. CDs on Haiku should show up as virtual partitions with WAV audio files in them, and can be played in MediaPlayer (or "ripped" by just copying the audio files.)

@username123x8 Год назад

Nice

@DanielMonteiroNit Год назад

Hey @waddlesplash, nice work! How binary compatible with R5 is with the current builds of Haiku? Searching around yields some old posts and somewhat vague messages (hope I'm not asking something stupid).

@DanielMonteiroNit Год назад

(in a big coincidence with MJD video, I began porting my games to Haiku just a couple of days ago!)

@Adventures_EC Год назад

How to develop for this OS? it would be great to learn about that.

@waddlesplash Год назад

@@DanielMonteiroNit The 32-bit x86 version is still binary compatible with R5, mostly (kernel drivers aren't compatible anymore, and a few other kinds of add-ons, but applications should work.) If there's an application which doesn't, it's likely a bug, and issues should be opened about it.

@fransvannispen9156 Год назад

As one of the app developers for BeOS and Zeta, and former employee of YellowTab, it's good to see that the Haiku team pursuit their goal and it is now actually running. Great video!

@cshaiku Год назад

Hey Frans! LTNS. :D

@jasonblalock4429 Год назад

Just an idea: Since people seem to like videos about old quirky OSes and such, how about one covering LiteStep? There's quite a lot of history there, and it might be interesting for anyone still running a 9x box for whatever reason.

@MichaelMJD Год назад

I actually have this on my ideas list!

@jasonblalock4429 Год назад

@@MichaelMJD Groovy! 🙂

@wctcasc Год назад

@@MichaelMJDI’m a big fan of your channel, I am subscribed to you. Good videos

@panopolis8051 Год назад

@@MichaelMJD Another niche OS worth checking out is Menuet OS

@tomyyoung2624 Год назад

Yes! Yes! Yes!

@jay1185 Год назад

As a former BeOS daily user (2000-2005) Haiku has kept me in the Be universe ever since I found out about it in 2017, a little before the beta released. When my family got our first 1GHz Athlon system in 2000, our K6-2 266MHz system became my computer and I tinkered with BeOS a little before completely switching the system over. I mainly played games on the newer, faster machine in the living room so it didn't need to do anything that required Windows. BeOS did everything that I wanted and needed it to do at the time. It was/is sleek, fast booting and feature packed! I'm glad to see you doing a video on Haku after the BeOS video. I love your vids and keep looking forward to the next one!

@mjdxp5688 Год назад

Been looking forward to this video! I hope someday Haiku ends up being a legitimate option for an alternative OS.

@nightlystar2403 Год назад

Me too

@YaSheNePrydumav Год назад

I think if there is a wine app or something like that then you can use it as an alternative os

@rubblemonkey6904 Год назад

@@YaSheNePrydumav They currently have a port of wine working in Haiku, It's still a work in progress but some programs are already working with it. GPU acceleration would also be helpful, and that's currently being worked on too (mostly AMD and Intel I think, because they opensource most of their drivers).

@YaSheNePrydumav Год назад

@@rubblemonkey6904 that's good, it would be great if haiku has an ability to make a custom screen resolution, and compatibility with UEFI (I've heard that haiku works doesn't work gpt partitions or has some problems)

@bcarr1122 Год назад

Agreed--it looks fabulous, doesn't it?

@AshtonSnapp Год назад

F I N A L L Y

@1985guyzwastaken Год назад

first reply

@spookynutsack Год назад

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@png_salt Год назад

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@png_salt Год назад

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@png_salt Год назад

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@matthiasbreiter4177 Год назад

For many windows / linux users one note: you can move the haiku menu to any corner or bottom/top row of the screen. Simply move it with the mouse where you want it. So when you put it into the bottom row you effectively get the Windows task bar / start menu :)

@courtneymertz4596 Год назад

I feel like Open Source apps and operating systems are becoming more and more varied than the proprietary stuff from big name companies. All of them have their own uses and quirks, they are made from loving people, and they have what we want, in addition to most being free to download!

@courtneymertz4596 Год назад

We don’t need the live-service-like Windows 11, we should give those computers in need the beauty of Open Source Operating Systems like Linux, FreeBSD and Haiku, and the wonderful free apps that come with them!

@mearetom Год назад

Yeah, feels it's getting popular now.

@AdamsOlympia Год назад

I ran BEOS back in the day on my original rev-A iMac (233mhz PowerPC) ... It was a huge step up from Mac OS 9 in responsiveness and multitasking. It's such a great UI design, still holding up to this day.

@TheAtariSan Год назад

The other day i cloned the firefox repo to trying to compile it for haiku, i will give you an update if i succeed when i have more free time.

@DarasEs Год назад

Please do, been wanting Firefox on Haiku for a while

@NormanF62 Год назад

The drivers and applications were ported from BSD because the developers didn’t want to reinvent the wheel and creating a modern operating system would allow Haiku to fulfill its true potential. This freed them to work on the Haiku source code and push forward with what BeOS should have been had it been continued as a mainstream desktop.

@Kudlaty771 Год назад

Dude, I have probably said this in a comment before, but that floppy disk backdrop is beautiful, and a very good idea...

@rossgeography Год назад

it's class isn't it! :)

@winelectronic101 Год назад

As I mentioned before, the multiple tabs of different applications in 1 window reminds me of the sets feature that was cancelled in Windows 10 post-update development.

@pdmerritt 10 месяцев назад

I just found out Stardock has a Windows program that gives you this functionality. Forgot it's name but I'm planning on picking it up.

@winelectronic101 10 месяцев назад

@@pdmerritt I believe you are referring to Groupy, which I think has been discontinued years ago.

@pdmerritt 10 месяцев назад

@@winelectronic101 you're right, it is groupy but if you look on their site... There is a Groupy 2 currently available.

@Hazdazos Год назад

Every time I see BeOS (and now Haiku), I always think that this is what the Amiga OS would have evolved to look like if Commodore wasn't run by incompetent executives.

@pdmerritt Год назад

In fairness the BeOS executives didn't do too well either. I always wished Microsoft would've acquired them and scrapped Windows. This would've been right around the timeframe when Microsoft was considering a totall re-write of Windows.

@4bits4e47 Год назад

The improved browser is a BIG plus. There was a rumor that HAIKU would be ported to the RPI 3 and 4, that may help HAIKU secure a "tiny system" market.

@Powerm1nt. Год назад

I love HaikuOS, I am a packager on this project and I contribute to the life of this amazing piece of software and history.

@technoWZ5598 Год назад

I really hope Haiku can compete with Linux distributions one day! Hopefully it also becomes a viable alternative to proprietary operating systems.

@neobscura Год назад

I highly doubt this is going to happen (you can't catch up with decades of dev and millions of people working behind the os environment) but I wish it would because while this looks like a fun quirky OS, it feels (important word I'm not peeking under the hood) super optimized. Maybe that's because it's barebone but it feels like it could be a very good OS for very specific simple tasks.

@technoWZ5598 Год назад

@@neobscura Haiku is perfect for an ancient PC, but useless as a daily driver, but nice to try out nonetheless, and it has plenty of FOSS programs available to install, thus making it a potential operating system that enthusiasts like me could use. I wish it had better hardware and software support.

@Anuclano Год назад

Yes. It is integrated system with united style and API as opposed to Linux salade.

@Anuclano Год назад

@@neobscura First, it is a Unix-like OS like Linux, so it potentially can handle much of what Linux can without breaking anything or adding subsystems. Also, the current repo of 5000 packages is good, given that in Linux distros you often have about 20000 but that mostly includes backend libraries and not user-end applications. Also, it maintains binary compatibility between releases, like Windows and unlike Linux.

@quickdudley Год назад

@@Anuclano It's actually not a Unix-like OS but it has a good enough compatibility layer for the difference to not matter.

@philtkaswahl2124 Год назад

One distinct UI element Haiku and BeOs before it is that offset tab atop the windows. Haiku making it so windows can be snapped together and said offset tabs become tandem tabs on a single window is pretty neat.

@TAP7a Год назад

A feature which has only very recently made its way back into a mature desktop environment, trialled in Windows 4 years ago and made its way into Pop!_OS's COSMIC desktop as a full feature in a mouse driven environment. For a long time it really was only OpenBeOS/Haiku that could do it!

@n.miller907 Год назад

This is the most complete video on Haiku that I've seen on RU-vid. The replicant feature blows my mind. I really have to give this OS a try!

@tsakeboya Год назад

Finally, the Haiku video

@NuclearFury8 5 месяцев назад

Watching this right after the ReactOS was quite an eye opener, just the difference in smoothness and stability for two in-development OSes.

@pawer_themaw Год назад

"Hello everybody and welcome back to another video" has become an iconic youtube phrase, no doubt

@bibopapa Год назад

The best overview of Haiku so far thanks, and looking for more about Haiku! Great Video!

@CalebHawn Год назад

Awesome video, was legitimately excited to watch it. Something you didn't mention was how app icons work in Haiku. Icons are vector images, meaning they can be resized to any size without losing quality. Windows .ico files on the other hand have multiple raster images of various sizes inside them. You can demo Haiku's images by right-clicking the desktop and selecting a size from the Icon view option, or just with Alt + and Alt -

@11Bbq 7 месяцев назад

As a writer I feel like this simplified OS that also conveniently brings a little nostalgia is perfect for staying on task and focusing on my job.

@mr.pavone9719 8 месяцев назад

Oh shiiiit, that 3D sound mixer, I remember that! I was in college and an upperclassman did a demo of BeOS for us in the lecture hall. We found it to be an incredible OS, especially compared to the Apple and Windows systems we were using for classeork and audio mixing for our production classes. The 3D mixer was a really popular application because we had to put a ton of work into mixib 3D audio pretty much by hand in Cool Edit Pro, our audio software.

@DoinThatRag Год назад

I was in college in the late 90s and I installed BeOS a few times. But I also used to regularly switch between 98, NT 4 Server/Workstation, RedHat, & Solaris. I tried them all. In the end, Diablo, WarCraft, StarCraft, & Quake won out. But I always really liked the look of BeOS.

@michaelwright2986 Год назад

Well, this week I got, very cheap, a Thinkpad X61 without an HDD or OS. Now I know what to run on it. Thank you.

@buildz17 Год назад

Gave this a go earlier, messed about and built a simple BeOS-compatible app. It's an interesting OS, that's for sure.

@ChamberOfTimeLover Год назад

love Haiku, hope to use it as my main OS soon.

@terminallyonline5296 Год назад

What a fantastic media centre desktop experience! Responsive and not lacking in software for that purpose.

@InsanityPrevails Год назад

Yay, the Haiku video is finally upon us :3

@UltraZelda64 7 месяцев назад

This was a very good and informative walkthrough of Haiku.

@TheCharlemagne1978 Год назад

I'll be downloading this OS tonight

@stephanieiwaniuk6088 Год назад

Good morning/afternoon/evening/night everyone!

@mikemcdonald5147 Год назад

wow BeOS that's old I remember when it came out and I joined using it. Was amazing back in the day. Had no idea HAIKU was around.

@ashtonvlogsph Год назад

Haiku! I can't believe that a new OS is in currently under development, this is game changing!

@qwerdsffds Год назад

Haiku has been there for a while, but it's a new mjd video anyways!

@RETROMachines Год назад

Good to see that someone still remembers BEoS today. I also feel not good for OS/2 Warp...

@sbeehre Год назад

Pretty impressive that its running this well on a P4 machine!

@NALTOHQ Год назад

Ive tried to run Haiku for so long man. Glad to finally see you do this one.

@shemmac4700 10 месяцев назад

Love these alternative OS videos. Forgot there were so many. Pity not many of these survived

@julioau Год назад

Love the window manager from it, mad props! ;)

@UlcerousAxis 7 месяцев назад

Hopped over here from the BeOS vid because I've only used Haiku in a VM - saw this a lot on various messageboards and imageboards and last I heard was having extreme driver-related issues. Good to see how it's faring now!

@TheFanChar Год назад

i think you could also make a video about kolibriOS, i think it would be really interesting to see an in-depth look at it

@normalizedaudio2481 Год назад

At least someone looks at these old OS. It's too bad it didn't work out. Love to have been on the team!

@baumstamp5989 Год назад

imagine a world with beos/haiku as market leader in desktop and bsd as market leader in server

@ReyLamurin Год назад

@bluetoothspeakergaming Palm phones you mean

@smorrow Год назад

Inferno on all the set-top boxes (if we still call them that)

@alexandredevert4935 4 месяца назад

The UI is really neat

@phaedrus2633 Год назад

Haiku has a beautiful UI.

@Mantikal Год назад

I was amped up for this. I had forgotten about this OS. It's cool looking. I wanted it to work. I tried installing it on 4 different PCs. I tried changing all BIOS settings on all of them to legacy and was only able to install it on one. When I finally booted that one up and was able to update the system, almost every app crashed on me - especially the three available web browsers available from its package manager. This was it for me. I have move on. God bless all those who had a flawless install and operating experience with this OS. I remember about 18 years ago, when I first tried installing this - I never had a problem with it then.

@zoltankaparthy9095 Год назад

Great to see an update to Haiku's status. Thanks.

@samshort365 5 месяцев назад

Haiku is a really nice operating system. I have been using it on a dedicated modern machine since Beta 4 and I enjoy using it. It feels snappier than Linux and is way less complicated than FreeBSD on the same PC, so once out of Beta it could become the system of choice for people looking at moving over from Windows or Mac.

@alessandrozara924 6 месяцев назад

I tried Haiku once. Also, since in this video you have mentioned NeXTSTEP, actually also the default applications bar on the right side of the screen is quite similar to NeXTSTEP's dock. Always talking about NeXTSTEP, this OS is the ancestor of Apple's Mac OS X. In fact, since Steve Jobs's NeXT company was bought by Apple, NeXTSTEP became the base of Apple's Mac OS. For more about this, you can watch the Computer Clan's video related to the comparison of NeXTSTEP and Mac OS.

@oz_jones Год назад

Those haiku error messages are wonderful.

@russiaman9407 Год назад

Hooray! We've been waiting for it!

@russiaman9407 Год назад

Btw where Linode did go?

@karmaduq Год назад

Can also stick window edges together with a modifier. I really want to say that window tabs did line up next to each other in the original in the file manager when you modifier clicked a folder, though they weren't joined.

@kaqqao Год назад

2:55 Ah yes, the legendary pennyum. Worth every penny!

@yolahola1 Год назад

I know that Pentium 4 system probably could not stream RU-vid videos, but it would’ve been cool to see you try to load one. It looks like that Browser’s a fork of FireFox, so I imagine the only bottleneck would be the hardware itself.

@thelakeman2538 Год назад

It isn't, it's running webkit (like safari) and not gecko (firefox's engine). The haiku depot doesn't seem to have firefox or chromium, so your only other options are more niche ones like epihany (gnome web), falkon, and otter browser unless you wanna build chromium/firefox from source.

@someone-fw2lv Год назад

These bizarro OS videos are really interesting, maybe you could cover yellowTAB/Magnussoft Zeta? It was essentially a BeOS continuation that used stolen code and seemed to be mostly sold through teleshopping. The strange modern editions of Atari TOS or AmigaOS would also probably be interesting topics.

@baturalp7043 Год назад

Appreciate the video 👍 You didn't struggle with booting it up like I expected you would though (i swear I didn't wish suffering upon you haha) but I found the solution to the problem I initially had in a comment so you still saved the day in a roundabout way lol

@fluori5890 Год назад

honestly booting Haiku is really simple. The only hassle I've had is when installing on EFI systems. You just need to download the efi loader application and put it on a new fat32 EFI partition, as the installer doesn't do it automatically yet.

@baturalp7043 Год назад

@@fluori5890 yeah apparently that's what i was missing. Thanks!

@gwgux Год назад

Cool! Glad to see it covered here!

@Stiky_Piston Год назад

I was just about to request this, but then I got the notification for this lol

@blainepalmerza Год назад

Awesome video, Michael!

@jzmmm 11 месяцев назад

Rose tinted glasses are a hell of a drug

@lark9266 Год назад

Hell yeah, Haiku! :]

@KatJustice97 6 месяцев назад

High key seriously interested in switching to Haiku

@lekevire 20 дней назад

I like Haiku but it really isn't meant for daily driving atm. Literally nothing supports it. No software, nothing. And I don't know how well WINE works on Haiku

@annaarthur724 Год назад

Installing Haiku on a modern system with uefi is a bit of a hazzle but it is doable. Made it on a Dell Inspiron Laptop with a Core i7

@dylon4906 Год назад

haiku/beos has such a unique interface, surprised that there hasnt been any attempt (to my knowledge) to bring it to linux with a compositor yet

@UzumeCEDC Год назад

I think I'm gonna like this video

@einsteinwasright1044 Год назад

I thought it was amusing that you avoided appearing on camera, except for your hands, which moved like puppets!

@zweispurmopped 10 месяцев назад

Until learning you had to reboot after installing LibreOffice I was almost sold. 😊 Dear Haiku-People: Rebooting after each install is so windows, it's **PFLRTZZ!!1!** 😋 I hope this gets a lot more love and support for as much as I love my Linuxes, I think there should be more living operating systems in this world.

@LandonEmma Год назад

This brings me back to the Windows 7 days…

@turbolenza35 Год назад

Best os ever.

@SonicBoone56 10 месяцев назад

About time you did a video on this.

@Ubaids_VMs 5 месяцев назад

update idea (have not watched the full video when commenting so idk if it's there but I missed it) : a replicant of the pinned icon thingy would be SUPER NextStep/mac os like, I mean isn't a bunch of applications pinned on your desktop a dock. would be cool!

@gcvrsa Год назад

Haiku is still active?? I honestly had no idea. I was a huge BeOS fan back in the day.

@LOC-Ness 11 месяцев назад

Cool to see this live on!

@amelmapping Год назад

Haiku's a nice name

@thesilentobserver93 Год назад

Oh hey! I saw my name there! 😁

@tunatezer8902 Год назад

When you said Replicants I immediately thought of Nier

@MindSweptAway Год назад

Brilliant video

@scottharvey-davies1607 Год назад

Thanks for another great video buddy. Am currently throwing Haiku at a Atom netbook.... (dont ask about the BSD attempts... ;) )

@Caesim9 6 месяцев назад

Hmmm.. good idea. I have a tiny Celeron netbook laying around

@bretramsey5565 Год назад

I love your videos 📸

@NOPerative Год назад

Floppy disk wallpaper 11/10

@ags_1905 Год назад

Running it right now in VirtualBox. Those isometric icons in Haiku look absolutely amazing!

@asadfarraj Год назад

I didn't watch the BeOS video, so it's kind of new to me. Could someone feasably use this OS as a kind of nostalgic throwback OS with actual modern functionality (unlike just using Windows XP for example, where functionality and security will go down with time)? It looks to be made for that.

@panopolis8051 Год назад

Driver support is minimal compared to more popular OS, but if you have hardware that it supports you could use Haiku for a lot of basic computing

@cactusjackNV Год назад

Haiku is still being developed and isn't abandoned like old versions of Windows. To echo what panopolis said, hardware support is hit or miss unfortunately. In other words this isn't going to replace a gaming PC but can be very useful for other purposes.

@havesomerespectandspoilthe5880 Год назад

@@panopolis8051 not really, driver support is kind of good now, the only thing missing is 3D acceleration and some weird i2c memory mapping (causes some touchpads on modern laptops to not work) Otherwise sound, wifi, printers, etc work well. They even beat FreeBSD to supporting modern A2XX intel wifi cards. Printing uses good ol CUPS, and there's even libinput support for graphics tablets (mine worked out of the box with pressure sensitivity, a huion h430p, but your mileage will vary as some tablets need proprietary drivers) Haiku is in a really nice spot right now, you can probably use it for many advanced tasks as well (albeit, slowly, as no 3D accel)

@kdkdkjcrjd Год назад

Great video!

@ArmyMan0077111 Год назад

You should do a video on ReactOS!

@Itsthomas8917 9 месяцев назад

i wish that MJD could do more hackintosh videos right now :)

@d3xbot Год назад

alright, the only thing I could think of during the Brilliant ad read was "WHERE ARE THE FREAKISH EARS ON A STICK?!"

@kaitlyn__L Год назад

Haiku is definitely good work. I still miss the original pixel art icons though. The redrawn higher res icons have a charm of their own, but much like XP vs 9x the way they’ve been smoothed-over and made glossy just feels a little less charming for me. You use a weird analogy: the new icons have spent a bunch of time with moisturiser and concealer and shapewear, even though I fell in love with it for being chunky and quirky.

@badsectoracula Год назад

This wasn't mentioned in the video but a big difference between BeOS and Haiku icons is that the latter are actually vector images using a custom vector format that is optimized for size (they are often less than 1KB) and can fit in the file metadata (inode), thus often not using additional disk space but also allowing all data about them be obtained in a single HDD access (normally files - including traditional image formats - often need at least two accesses, one for the file information like its name, size, etc and one for the actual file data). And as a bonus the icons can be resized arbitrarily. The format is designed specifically for icons so that it can have different 'LODs' that alter the shape depending on the zoom level (so tiny 16x16 icons can remove some details visible in 64x64 and larger icons that would otherwise show up as smudges).