What nurse has a RU-vid name of 'Archangel of Death'? Quite ironic, isn't it? You're a nurse with the word death in their name also, you made a video of mortal kombat... That is very...deathly...
@@eyepatchlolz I may be a nurse but I am in my 20's and am an avid gamer. Plus I'm kinda into dark and edgy stuff so eh, there ya go. But yes I am aware of the irony
I saw a video of someone asking Brad Dourif at a panel how he emotionally prepared himself for the scene where he discovers Annie’s body. He didn’t say a word, and just pointed to the young woman sitting next to him at the panel. That woman was his daughter Fiona.
Jackie McCann wow that's so depressing but completely understandable. It's a great tool. You have a daughter just like your character does now I discover her dead body and now picture that it's my actual daughter. It's depressing but man is it effective. I mean look how broken he is. It worked. Even though I'm sure it did probably hurt him a little to do it
Yeah. If you play a character who's a parent and their kid gets killed then it's more natural to play if you're a parent and you think of how you'd react if your own kid got killed.
James I honestly appreciate you for your hard. You didn't just take that Patreon money (quit your job) and push out one video a week. You took this seriously and it absolutely shows. Just incredible work! EDIT: Not correcting this
Why yes yes he did he even changed his name so not to ruin how Annie or Laure are remembered wonder why he chose Charles Lee Ray but as a doll he was a very special father figure to young Andy and stayed a big part of his life all though Andy's hell it is sad what Andy's good guy doll did to Andy's other toys Buzz Woody Popeep Red pork chop and the others real gresom stuff
with Freddy and Jason, their movies explain how they kept coming back and being immortal-like beings Michael at least is more human in the original movies compared to the later ones I mean, that whole Thorn cult bullshit from 4-6 doesn't make any fucking sense and his retconed 'resurrection' in 8 is fucking terrible
I gotta say, Sherriff Bracket is probably the most sympathetic character in the films. Dourif's acting always on point. But I like in the sequel, he seems like another father to Laurie. He genuinely cared about what happened to her & resents Loomis revealing her secrets & continuing to traumatize her just to make money. Even after his own daughter is murdered, he goes after Michael (surely to avenge Annie) but also to save Laurie. But Laurie is gunned down, which basically causes him to lose 2 daughters in 1 night.
I don't really like that Directors Cut ending. I don't like Michael talking, I don't like Michael without the mask, and I don't like him dying to a bunch of cops as opposed to the hands of Laurie. I think pairing the mental trouble of the directors cut with the psychotic killing ending of the theatrical cut for Laurie would have been more impactful, plus it makes the last asylum scene make a bit more sense.
I agree a little, but it is necessary for Laurie's arc that she be killed by the cops. And I think its fine for Micheal to speak to Loomis because that is a good payoff for when he stopped talking to Loomis in the first film.
I have PTSD from trauma throughout my life and all I have to say is this, Laurie was super shitty to Annie at the dinner table even with the excuse of PTSD. They both went through almost the exact same experience and one of them came out with PTSD. That’s how it works. People’s minds process things differently and even the most minuscule details of an experience can change the effect it has on the other person. What happened that night was arguably worse for Annie, and it’s more than physically visible on Annie’s face. Permanent gashes/scars representing what happened to her that night. She tried to say something nice, supportive, and encouraging and Laurie went off on her. Even if someone said something to me that wasn’t helping but they were truly trying AND they went through such a similar experience to the one I went through I would just be thankful. Laurie can just look at Annie’s face to see what she has to live with everyday. Their trauma was literally intertwined and Laurie still couldn’t see that. Also in the Director’s Cut she’s just shitty to her all the time anyway. Laurie just kind of sucks in the Director’s Cut.
@@bigh99267 never even remotely said that. I said she was being a dick which she was. I said she can’t blame her trauma for it. There’s being irritable from trauma, then there’s just being a terrible person.
I agree! It made me hate Laurie in this movie. I felt so bad for Annie throughout the entire thing cause she was dealing with the exact same thing (up until Laurie finds out she is Michael’s sister). They handled it differently and both ways are realistic, sadly. People process trauma in so many different ways. It doesn’t make it right how Laurie treated Annie though. She only began to care about her well-being once she realized she could be hurt while Annie showed her compassion for Laurie from the beginning. 😩
I didn't really mind it. It was only one word and, if he's going to break his silence, he might as well do it right before killing Loomis. Now, if it was more than one word and was to someone not as important as Loomis was in his life, then I would have had a problem with it.
Brad doriff freaking killed that scene. People who disagree have either never witnessed or never experienced pure anguish. Tragic death of a love one is hard to wrap your mind around and he acted this park amazingly.
I honestly felt like it's unnecessary for Michael to talk I don't like it sorry Rob Zombie I know that you don't care about what I think about your films.
That's actually oddly appropriate for Michael. It's like he felt that Loomis was the only person who had earned the honour of hearing his voice since Loomis had looked after him for all those years. I think it was Michael's sick way of saying "thanks for watching over me, dude. See you in hell."
I can't take Brad Dourif's grief scene seriously anymore thanks to Michael Scott's "Oh God No" reaction from The Office. I mean...they sound really similar.
+Grady Franco That's exactly what I thought the first time I saw Dourif's grief scene, which is the main reason why I could barely take that scene seriously, if not at all.
Rob Zombie's a strange director. For every stupid, poor-taste, highly-questionable bad decision he makes in his movies (naked dead girls, overly profane dialogue, unlikable over the top characters), he also does something really cool and interesting (that sound cutout in the Director's Cut climax here, the absolute size of Mikey Myers, the exploration of a Final Girl's ptsd). Every time he starts to lose me in his earlier films, he does something that pulls me back in. I guess that's why I can't bring myself to dislike him as a director: love it or hate it, he knows exactly what he wants to put on the screen and exactly how to put it there.
Pretty much. For me, his highs are good enough that I can accept the baggage that comes with him as a director, but I also understand every person who says they don't like or can't stand his films.
But the thing is the good stuff he does is so small compared to the bad stuff. Tha cutout during the climax is cool and his Michael Myers is a beast, yes, but that doesn't even balance out with the bad stuff. Also, his fascination with sexual violence is so off putting to me. I dont know. He makes his films for himself and his fans, but that kind of seems to blind him almost.
Now that the Halloween Kill count series is done. Maybe it’s time to see a one off kill count like Children of the Corn, or perhaps another series since Evil Dead will be out next month. Maybe like The Texas Chainsaw Massacre Series or the Psycho series on December, or perhaps Hellraiser in 2019.
@T85 Rebooted Insinuating that I'm retarded yet you can't use the proper rode so here's a crash course. Ride is the present tense Rode is the past tense (what you were speaking of and used improperly as 'road') Ridden is the past participle Road is a paved path (usually gravel and asphalt) used for automotive vehicles, get schooled by "someone who *RODE* the short bus".
Rule #1: Never have Michael speak. Rule #2: Never show Michael's face in the open . Rule #3: Never make Michael into a hobo. Conclusion: Zombie did all three, ouch.
The only thing I disagree with is the second rule. We saw a glimpse of Michael's face in the original, when he was portrayed by a different actor. Given that, I would technically count that as having his face shown, even if it was in shadows. I'm sure with enough editing, you could brighten the scene enough to make it out clearly. If you have the right circumstance, I'm sure it could be just as scary or creepy. Admittedly, it works better WITH the mask and not without, but yeah.
@@jazzwebster9851 I think he means when he wears the mask after he gets older. We normally see the faces when they're kids, but it's when they develop into adults that the masks hide them.
Man, the way the sheriff said "Oh no, Annie" really broke my heart and instantly made me cry. I thought her death in the theatrical version was sad, but fuck, that one line made it hurt so much worse.
When the sheriff is going ape shit over his daughter's death, it is not bad acting or over the top acting or not acting enough. If someone was to walk into a room painted with their child's blood and her dead on the floor after you know what she went through and survived all the while she came out of that almost the same mentally only to be tortured again to be reminded of what happened to her before only to die this time would be rough, who knows how a person would react to that.
YO JAMES, I've been watching your vids for a while and its taken me forever to pinpoint what I really like about your style! I learned in one of my public speaking classes that when making a presentation you have to do 3 things: Tell them what you're going to tell them, Tell them, then tell them what you told them. You follow this formula to a T and I think it makes your videos really stick with the viewer! So keep up the great work man, I'm glad you were able to stick it through all these Halloween movies, even the not so great ones lol
This movie catches a lot of hate but I love it. The idea that Laurie has a psychic link with Michael really added to her going crazy by the end. Her reacting to him eating the dog while she’s eating pizza creeps me out, and it makes so much sense that she sees his visions and becomes plagued by them. I had never considered that she is dead at the end, and although I really like that scene of her in the mask and the subsequent cut to her in the sanitarium, I much prefer she lives in my head canon.
But rob zombie tries to take this realistic brutal approach to the series and then decides to add a psychic link to the mix? How is that realistic? How does that make sense? It's just weird and confusing. If the point is that trauma (external factors) drives people insane, then he did a terrible job conveying such. I think this movie deserves the hate it gets, honestly. Ive watched it so many times, especally after the recent ones came out and i find more issues every time. It's the worst installment imo. The kills aren't even that interesting. Annie's death is the only kill that made me feel something.
Brad Dourif is an awesome actor and doesn’t get enough recognition outside of the horror world. His performance in Exorcist 3 and The X-Files is proof enough of his skills. Also, anyone who thinks his acting is bad when his character finds his dead daughter is insane.
You owned a car for 4 years. You named it Brad. You loved Brad. And then you totaled him. You two had been through everything together. 2 boyfriends, 3 jobs, nothing could replace Brad. Then Liberty Mutual calls, and you break into your happy dance....
Brackett’s reaction to Annie was the most heartbreaking thing. I think it should have been in both cuts. I remember seeing this in the theaters and again afterwards which was the director’s cut. Her death is still sad to this day. Danielle Harris portrayed her so well it made me hate Laurie in this movie so much cause of how she treated her. 😞
I don’t necessarily like the parts where he shows his face, but I do like the angry grunting noises he makes because to me it makes it more scary. Because it shows just how pissed off and insane that he is and he’s pretty much just giving off “I am going to fucking brutally kill you and there’s nothing you can do about it” energy. The silent but deadly Myers might be more scarier for some people, but for me it’s a lot scarier when he shows his anger.
This movie is shocking just watched it the other day lol, the mother is more of a villain in the movie than Michael Myers just looks like some random hobo
Holy shit. I just realized the whole ghost mom shit is basically the Man in Black from Halloween 5-6 all over again. Dumbass character that appears out of nowhere to outstage Michael Myers to explain his motivation that was never supposed to be explained in the first place. Thank god, the series got back in track with Halloween 2018, and Sartain was made as a middle finger to the whole concept.
I love both your RHPS quotes and the time and effort you put into making these Kill counts even the extra time to make the cuts between the directors cut and theatrical cuts. Keep up the hard work and I'm glad you have gotten so far in doing these I love watching them! Have a great Halloween Mr. James A. Janisse! 🔪❤️😊🎃🎃🎃
Maybe Brad's reaction to Annie s death just feels out of place since it's the only sold bit of acting in this film. It rips my heart out every time I see it
Lots of movies do multiple endings. The Theatrical one probably played better to test audiences, but Rob Zombie probably intended the "Laurie dies" ending to be the real one when he wrote it.
Test audiences and studios have changed endings radically before. One thing lots of people seem to have constant problems with are tragic/downer endings.
Reminds me of the different endings to Army of Darkness. One ending is the one we're all familiar with, where Ash manages to return to his time. The other ending, though... not so much.
Is it me, or does the director's cut stuff with Laurie fit the theatrical ending much more? Foreshadowing her being like Michael is kind of pointless when she never ends up becoming like Michael at all and then gets gunned down. It would be one thing if the final vision implied that she survived and is now driven to kill by her mother and the white horse, but I think Rob Zombie confirmed that she died and even did that ending just so that this series would no longer continue. It's an unnecessarily confusing final note that works better with the theatrical cut's prelude of her walking out in the Myers mask.
I don’t think it matters which version you watch, Laurie survives in both versions. Because there were initially plans for a third Rob Zombie Halloween movie where Laurie was stalked by Michael Myers in the sanitarium. It would’ve title “Rob Zombie’s Halloween 3D”.
There is no body dumpster in hospitals because my older sister works at one I like it when lory wasn't Michael's sister Edit:stuffed beats make good therapists
The reason Rob Zombie ended it like that is because he wanted to end the story. Telling audiences that there will be no more sequels. So basically Rob Zombie did what Danny McBride is about to do with Michael Myers, since Danny McBride said Michael Myers in the new timeline is mortal, I feel Danny McBride in this new 2018 movie's sequel will kill off Michael Myers by tons of gunshots as well because it's clear Michael Myers in that movie can't take many gunshots either when it's mentioned Sheriff Hawkins (Will Patton) was the first responding officer to capture Michael Myers in 1978 after being shot 6 times by Dr. Loomis (Donald Pleasence) at the end and prevented Dr. Loomis from killing Michael Myers with a few more gunshots and also in the twist when Dr. Sartain and Sheriff Hawkins step out of the Police vehicle Dr. Sartain refuses to let Sheriff Hawkins shoot Michael Myers knocked out body and kills Hawkins this giving us a clear amswer Michael Muers can't receive many gunshots in Halloween 2018, if he does he'll die permanently just like he does at the end of Rob Zombie's Halloween 2.
@Mooky Blaylock So in Rob's universe Michael Myers was mortal and had a shelf life, which I think it's stupid since I much rather prefer supernatural immortal Michael Myers from the other movies, excluding Halloween 2018 because in that one he is also mortal and also has a shelf life.
@@thehalloweenheavymetalmusicwar Oh yeah that stupid ass 'Curse of Thorn'...I personally tuned out because we ALREADY had damn near indestructible slashers in Jason AND Freddy, and THAT was starting to get really played out by that point...also they didn't do a good job with that plot point and characters. I like that the ONLY TIME we hear Modern Day Myers speak is on his dying day...and its literally ONE WORD. It dispels the idea of this 'Shape of pure evil' and instead reminds us that he is mortal.
I hadn't seen the theatrical since 2009. Like most people, I only bought the more widely avaliable directors cut. However, I recently caught the theatrical via streaming. For the most part, I enjoyed the theatrical waaay more. I jumped online and ordered it right away. It was only availiable as a two pack with the RZ Halloween theatrical cut.
Hard disagree on Laurie's portrayal of PTSD being realistic. It's easily the least realistic portrayal I've seen in a film. It's so over the top, she's basically regressed into being a feral child. Real trauma is a lot more nuanced and repressed.
9:13 Great moment, his brain was scrambled by the sight of his daughter being butchered and spread across the bathroom, it wasn't good acting, it was phenomenal acting.
I think James missed the whole reference of Brackett’s dialogue when Annie died. It’s clearly a reference to the opening of Child’s Play as he shouts after Eddie Caputo leaving him to die
I know some people love the Zombie Halloween movies so I don't wanna shit on them too hard, but I genuinely think they're some of the worst films I've ever seen, 2 especially. On almost every level they're fairly poorly made IMO, from editing to cinematography to sound design. I'd be able to move past how bafflingly mean-spirited and cruel the scripts are as a kind of Rob Zombie trademark if they at least provided some interesting narrative or thematic beats, or some decent character arcs, but I don't see any of that here, and most of all they did absolutely nothing to build on the original, they fundamentally misunderstood what makes the franchise special IMO. I guess if I had to give them some props I'd say at least the Michael is pretty intimidating and the mask is rad, but even he seems more like a Jason than a Michael Myers in his mannerisms, he's just a giant strong hilbilly, not a mysterious stealthy menace. The kills are a lot more brutal and impressive, but the original kinda made a point of having fairly understated kills, the violence was never the point. The acting is good I guess- most of the actors do a great job (especially Annie), even if I do *hate* the direction the characters of Laurie and Loomis were taken, they were still well-played.
Good critique and reasoning. I enjoyed them personally just because they deviated so much and we saw how Zombie interpreted the concept. If taken in its own rather than be compared its probably better. But yeah I just enjoyed the ride apart from Halloween 1,2,4 and 5 all the originals are terrible so I don’t think it’s a huge travesty. And let’s face it 4 and 5 is even a stretch haha.
I think the first one was good. The mask was great. His tall stature and body size was a little on the big side but I guess it explains how strong he is against other people. I would give the first one a 7/10. The 2nd one is just idk. No good lol. Some parts I like and others are horrible. The mask to me was the best part. No matter how ripped it was Micheal would still wear it. 2nd one. 3/10. I would watch it over resurrection and curse anyday tho lol
Silly silly James at 1:52. Of course there are dumpsters filled with dead bodies at hospitals! There’s one at mine, at least, and I’m a highly paid surgeon!
Okay, now I know EVERYONE is gonna hate on me for this opinion, but I don’t care. ‘Rob Zombie’s Halloween 2’ (2009) is SOO underrated to me. It feels so much more entertaining to watch than the first Rob Zombie Halloween film. Scout Taylor Compton is my crush 🥰
2 years is more interesting because it makes the attack more unpredictable. 1 year after a traumatic event on a holiday you are ON EDGE all night. She would be paranoid. But after a year of safety, it makes sense that everyone around her is trying to calm her down.
Yeah Brad's acting in the breakdown scene is far from awful, really to be honest it's one of the closest times in a performance i've ever seen an actor act realistic. I've seen some tragic stuff in my life and how he acted in the scene's right on the mark.. people can't function properly or act like normal when someone close to them dies. It's not straight up crying.. how he acts is very realistic. Brad imo is the MVP of the movie.. he deserved way more time in it sadly he never got it. He's the anchor of the movie he helped to keep it more grounded as the voice of reason.. then once Annie dies he becomes the voice of righteous justice.. especially once Loomis shows up he finally gives him was kharma justice. The end itself works better than the theatrical cut, Michael's big talking scene is silly but his death's way better as was Loomis's sacrifice. It plays the human tragedy aspect more. Laurie dies for no reason which was symbolic of her whole existence in this series.. she was born into a craphole and never could get away from her awful fate. The gunshots are just the peak of it. The love hurts cover was a nice touch. Then the end credits with the true crime looking stills was just genius, it made it all look real and ups the sadness to 10. Even if the people were awful it makes you feel sad for them.. especially those pics of Annie.. ouch.
this is such a messy film but its my favorite in the franchise other than the original, i love how he just did exactly what he wanted, like its excessive and deeply flawed but so much more interesting than any of the other sequels and has some genuinely interesting stuff it plays with.
Although the theatrical release can easily be found on cable television… though strangely, only the director’s cut can be found on cable tv Edit: now after finishing the video, it appears the cable version is a mish-mash of the two versions (the ending Michael still attacks loomis to where his brain is visible, but then tackles him through the wall and the directors cut plays out pretty much the same (loomis’ brain no longer visible)
This is the same way I felt about this all these years . Glad I’m not the only one who knows . Theatrical is better but can’t hardly ever find that version
When the dad found his daughter dead and you can hear him I had to put down my food and cry. Whoever said that his acting is bad that is what I imagine someone would go through at a time like that which made me cry
You could make more Halloween cut-comparisons with the TV Version of Halloween 1 and 2. The TV Versions of 1 & 2 are available on various official DVD releases. There is also a workprint of Halloween Resurrection (called Halloween Homecoming) . Halloween Homcoming has lots of different stuff including an onscreen Tyra Banks deathscene. IT thin there is also an H20 workprint or TV version oin the bootleg-markets
It’s cool cause I was watching a video of Rob Zombie explaining the ending and it he says the directors cut, when love hurts plays and when she’s in the white long room, it’s supposed to represent her final thoughts, and when her mom comes, she smiles cause she’s finally done with her crazed life.
Now that this series kill count is done. I would love if you did some one-off kill counts with films like "Tucker and Dale vs Evil" or some more comedic horrors (like ones by Simon Pegg and Nick Frost) like "Hot Fuzz" (yes its horror) and "Shaun of the Dead". Just some zombie flicks in general would be really appreciated :)
Netflix had a different version on it cause I remember most of the directors cut stuff, like her rant about hearing one day at a time and being really angry and aggressive to everyone, it was even set two years after, but it had the theatrical versions ending, and you could say maybe I’m mixing the both but the I swear I’ve never seen the directors ending until just now, I can’t recall ever once seeing it end without micheal killing the doctor and than Laurie stabbing micheal
The new Annie was the best thing about the Zombie remakes (which is a complete contrast to the original Annie who was annoyed and poorly acted). Her death was devastating.
Danielle Harris also played Jamie in the Original Halloween movies. Crazy that shes like 32 here and still can pass for someone out of high school. Even now at 42 she still looks great lol
