Halloween Kills (Dead Meat Podcast Ep. 153) 

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@They Killed Kenny yeah, gotta hate the mob. look what they did to the inmate. so I guess what michael gave them was well deserved.

Nope they gotta make sequels

Perfect

Oh yeah, that’s why it’s funny to some people, because yeah she disappears, comes back to kill Michael and still dies anyway

I agree with facefister. I watched it twice and I was annoyed that she got out the car and didn’t just shoot Michael. Maybe she could have taken a few steps back or runs away enough to not get grabbed then killed him, or even just ran away. It’s weird she disappears then appears far enough way to have the scene play out the way it did

@Loud Pack she doesn't come back with a gun, she had a gun when she left

I love that because it implies that it would have been legal to murder them if they were a hetero couple lol

She probably also realized she can’t abandon her husband whether he is definitely dead or not. She might have been making it her fate as well. They went down together.

Well you never know how you will react in a situation like that some people act fast, some freeze and some fight

That's not how a large majority of people function. Look at reality, that's not the reaction of people I a war or a mass school shooting, people either run or hide, they dont just fucking stand still with an easily accessible escape

I honestly found that moment understandable cuz she was panicking and fearing for her life

Yeah, I think the character decisions always made sense. Even if as a viewer it may have been frustrating to some to see these characters make these decisions, they don't realize they are in a movie, obviously. They are acting on realistic instincts, and often in real life people don't make the smartest decisions. People get curious in real life situations, people get curious in this film and it gets them killed. I think people also underestimate the power of shock. Many people completely freeze to shock in stressful situations, like you said. Our bodies have the power to just not let us do anything if we are in situations that are stressful enough, so I feel like that freezing up is a lot more common than horror movie watchers tend to think.

Maybe I’m foggy on the details of Halloween 2018 but isn’t Laurie just doing that not because she thinks Micheal’s life mission is to kill her but just on the off chance he comes back or someone similar to him every tries to harm her again she’s ready?

@@Hammer56Time Could be, but she does use dialog that indicates that she thinks he's coming after her. "I've waited for him, and he's waited for me."

@@Hammer56Time na she and everybody else definitely thought Michael was coming for her just like how they assumed he was going to the hospital to get her

It doesn't actually make any difference if they're still entwined in the plot together. Whether Michael is obsessed with Laurie because she's his sister, or Laurie is obsessed with Michael because he killed two of her friends 100 years ago, the result is the same, it's just a new coat of paint.

Makes sense

You didn’t find them to be gay stereotypes? The big, more feminine one, was literally called little John. Why did you think that was if not because he was the counter to the more masculine smaller one. It was the same as calling him Mrs. John to me. Totally didn’t see them as non stereotypes.

I can see where that thought would come from, but we also never got context as to why they chose those nicknames. Perhaps he was called Little John as a joke because he was so much taller. Their relationship seemed to have a basis of humor given the scene with the kids. At least that was my interpretation of it. I've had humorous nicknames with past partners so that may be why I didn't think of it was stereotypes. But thank you for your input. 😊✌

Same, i didnt fins them stereptypical at all

Well, to be fair, many many of the homosexual people I have met throughout my life, their personality completely revolved around being homosexual.

@@hacksbeenjamin right and thats the problem, when displayed in movies and shows its kind of the same thing a lot, like being gay is the biggest part of their personality and i think thats why these characters were handled well because them being gay i dont think was even mentioned, they were juat another couple that was introduced.

Agreed!!! The entire audience in the theater roared in laughter at my showing.

The two other kills in that scene are both presented as comedic (“This one’s for Dr Loomis 🤡” and the WHOA TOTALLY BADASS BRO knife through the eye), and I agree, the door-into-gun-into-face bit is also treated like a joke.

Imo it was hilarious and sick as fuck

@@IIiiiLiiOiiIii Yeah the people that go “that wuz sickkkkk” or “brutal as fuck!” are the target audience for this garbage lmao

@@Crinbo interesting hot take, I thought it was a pretty badass kill. Just not fitting for halloween

I think a lot of people mischaracterize that scene. A lot of people say they laughed because of her incompetence, but I think the scene gives that shock humor because of Michael's overwhelming competency. As Chelsea put it, he is instantly calculating how to kill her and keep himself alive. When I saw this in the theater it blew my mind (no pun intended) because it felt so actiony. That isn't a complaint, I loved that. It felt like Michael was pulling some John Wick shit, and I thought that made him so much more intimidating. So yeah, from someone who appreciates that scene and DOESN'T think the characters made dumb decisions, I laughed just because of how shockingly impressive Michael's skills were, not because Vanessa was stupid.

My whole theater just went "ooooooh"💀

@@tiernanmcculloch or Batman

@@tiernanmcculloch yeah she clearly knew how to aim and use a gun, Michael knew how to use a door

Wouldn’t have worked, sadly. It would’ve forced Halloween Ends to start on the same night as well. Laurie was still severely wounded, as well as Hawkins. Michael would’ve just killed Laurie with ease. You saw just how easily she was taken down with a hit to the stomach. The time jump is definitely a good option. Gives everyone time to heal up, as well as muster up all the anger and hurt they’ve gotten from Michael killing their friends and loved ones.

The ending will be included on the BluRay. I’m glad it wasn’t in the theatrical cut & I like they’ll move the final movie a few years ahead

That would’ve been so much better

@@DamnWhoAsked Absolutely the best way to do things, I also think seeing Laurie stew for a while and let everything reach a boiling point will make for a good story.

Yesssss this is the ending I wanted

I’m interested in majoring in Architecture. Are the classes hard? What made you dropout?

@@branhall759 make sure you really really really love it and are ready to buckle down for years before going into it. I realized a few years that I didn’t love it and had a passion for something completely different. I don’t think I challenged myself enough in high school to be ready for what was ahead when entering college so take that for what it’s worth lol

Holy shit, just realized in (NW) Florida I NEVER ONCE used the front door at my best friend's house. I was only vaguely aware it even existed.

a a midwesterner, this is true.

@@DeJesusCustomFootwear don’t all houses have back doors

It’s a flawed movie but I loved it

The first scene when we see him on the stairs I thought that they used some of the unreleased material from 1978. I only thought about CGI, a different actor or a composite when they showed him with other actors

I genuinely thought that some parts of the flashback were just deleted scenes

Soundtrack is the best part

I'll agree with you on the Dr Loomis part ,I actually thought for a second it was Donald pleasance aswell 😂. But this movie failed on everything else. Michael Myers himself is a funny character as he can't be killed. We watch it face palm as people in this movie get themselves killed or they give up trying . Why did the angry mob stop fighting back in the end scene. They got themselves killed one by one .

Deffo agree with you. They don't need to delve to much into explaining the Myers mythos, the less we know the better.

I love the mystery surrounding him, as well, and I agree, I don’t want them to explain all that much about his resilience. Just simply being a guy who won’t quit is terrifying enough for me. They don’t need to sully that by tying him into some supernatural cult storyline like they did in Curse. And I agree with your edit, too. The problem with that whole subplot is it comes across as mean-spirited and, like Chelsea said about the movie as a whole, as though the movie is spinning its wheels. It’s so on-the-nose, too, with I think Brackett saying something to the effect of, “Now we’re the monsters.” They also didn’t need to show the man’s mangled body; that’s just indulgent and sadistic voyeurism for a movie that isn’t lacking when it comes to gore. If that subplot needed to be there, I think they could’ve found another way to convey the same message without spoon-feeding it to us.

@@SpanxOdyssey94 mean spirited is exactly how I'd describe it. In a movie full of horrific murders and violence, that part was the most uncomfortable to watch, not to mention how out of place it felt. Everyone got over it right away anyway, so I think he should've lived. The message would've still been clear and they would've been able to play with the whole "evil dies tonight" thing if someone managed to save him. They still could've said "he's turning us into monsters", as terrible a line as that is lol.

@@SpanxOdyssey94 that’s the thing though, he’s not just a guy lol

@@blasteroid3382 Michael was like Batman from the Arkham games in this movie I love it

I hope we finally see his face in Ends

They're coming to get you James

hellraiser 4 is not a thanksgiving movie James. It's only a matter of time...

He is NOT covering that.

Indeed.

He's covering it

Same

Because of the gun in question it made sense she couldn’t hit anything tbh

@@DefaultProphet Yes, the fact that she missed wasn't an issue, I just found her death absolutely hilarious, my favorite death of the movie.

@@Harvester88 it was definitely hilarious. Everyone I watched and talked to found it funny how effortlessly Michael handled that situation.

@@Harvester88 I like that it broke up the pattern of how ppl were dying in that scene

I don’t think there’s anything wrong with the death; I just laughed when it happened cause it was so sudden and jarring that I couldn’t help but laugh

Agreed. It'd be different if the patient was like a 6'5" Hulk of a man. Then I could understand them mistaking him for Michael.

Faces and people change my brother was 6’1 10 years later he’s 5’6 faces change too and also my brother changed in 10 years It’s been 40 years since michael was inprisoned which is a lot more time to change

Nah they would have seen hos face 40 years ago. He killed 3 people, it isn't something that would be remembered

@@TheCosmicFailure Michael is 6'9". That would be like mistaking Jake The Snake Roberts for Psycho Sid.

@@funkyweapon1981 michael isn't 6'9 lol

Agreed that would’ve been great.

No.

eh

Very True.

Would've been cool but the Michael's revenge scene looked awesome

Let's chase this guy through the hospital, he kinda looks like Michael Myers. Get em.

yeah I was surprised they didn't mention how she left for a long time to do what exactly? just to come back? where did she go? why didn't she shoot him when she first got out of the car. I feel like Marion still even had a gun at that point and if Marion shot from in while she shot from out I feel like they could've escaped while Michael recovered

Don't get me started on the dumb characters in this movie. The husband was unharmed except for a silly stethoscope 🤦‍♀️. The old lady wastes all her bullets by stupidly shooting like a maniac with poor vision almost killing the people in the car 🙄🤦‍♀️. And the wife pointlessly shoots herself,I still don't understand how she managed that . I really was hoping for a cool showdown with the townspeople & Michael but nope once again he dominates them all and is probably laughing under his mask at them all .

She did run away earlier in the film when she thought Michael was in their car....I felt it was in character that she'd run away for a bit, maybe change her mind and come back *shrug* The movie has some flaws but that isn't one of them imo.

I think it will depend on how supernatural they make him. I mean he was literally shot six times in the chest and could still walk for miles which is why some could argue that he has always been supernatural. I can see it being where the mask is what’s supernatural

@@Cs-cp6vo in Halloween 2018 he killed plenty of people without his mask on. I think it’s his kill count gives him power

The concept of the town going against was already done way better in Halloween 4.

I was hoping that someone out of the Strode trio would snap and essentially take Michael’s place, so Karen dying in the end could have been a transition from Michael to Karen taking the mantle of the Shape

@@mysteryjunkie9808 yeah they seem to imply that in Kills.

Perfect summary

Honestly sums up the movie pretty well. Michael was done incredibly well being an unstoppable force of evil, but the characters around him make really dumb decisions that can really take you out of the movie.

@@davidpescitelli8004 without the dumb decisions we wouldn’t get the badass fire fighter scene

@@the_pear1948 I mean I'm fine with that since there was no way for them to know Michael was in the building, so it wasn't too stupid. I'm more talking about stuff like Lonnie going into the house himself to fight Michael when he could have just called Tommy to bring the mob to kill him.

@@davidpescitelli8004 fair

They should hire you as a writer!

@@eehbahgore-horrormovierevi5389 thanks! It’s the film school drop out in me

Maybe Halloween Ends will open with a scene like that. Since we're getting a four year time jump between movies, Michael probably wasn't living in his childhood house the entire time. He might be hiding out somewhere and definitely would be if the people of Haddonfield destroy the Myers house out of anger.

@@andyandnormski THERWS A 4 YEAR TIME JUMP?

What if they destroy the house

Also dude Cameron’s death man, like holy shit. It’s easily the most brutal and cruel moment in the series mainly due to how prolonged it is like fuck man it almost made me sick at the brutality of it

@@thedeepfriar745 the whole car scene with the couple terrified me the most. I don’t like eye torture or things getting into eyes. And when the lady shot herself with the car door, I screamed

The scene where Michael crushes Big John's head so hard his eyes pretty much squish from the eyesockets, holy shit.

@@thedeepfriar745 Jesus Michael like that was just overkill, he was already dead, like that is not just the golden chainsaw but geez Michael is merciless and insanely brutal

@@clownfromspongebob3979 when she shot herself, it was kinda funny because of how Michael just kicked the door, that was surprising badass funny and tragic at the same time, not funny because she tried shooting him, it was tragic she died but funny how Michael thought of that

i just think that its kinda funny when a character brags about being able to shoot then doesnt shoot very well also just have her knock michael down a bit then die its not as if this supposed not magical michael hasnt been shot to shit

@@donb7519 The fact that the door kick managed to make the nurse's arm bend in a way that it perfectly aims the gun at her head as she's pulling the trigger is parody level of nonsense.

@@samzilla567 i mean i guess she was good at shooting if she got a headshot tho

or even competent.

No it does not but you definitely do not switch from proper grip to one hand when you get closer to your target. That is why I thought it was a dumb decision. Besides, that pistol was a Desert Eagle.. very powerful and very heavy gun. Not something you can just shoot yourself with one-handed because a car door hit it.

maybe not ripped but push someone back.

Not when you barely have any pressure though

Michael went through like the terminator

Nothing rips through Michael, they might aswell have thrown a ladder at his head lol 🤦‍♀️🤷‍♀️.

Really? It looked like some dumb move to me

She was funny and cute how they made the drone thing

I’d say big John is also a good contender

Nah the golden chainsaw was Cameron for sure, it was just overkill geez

it was so corny

Eye gouges definitely get the golden chainsaw easily. Let’s come back to this comment to see who was right once the kill count releases

I agree on what you said. It was nice to see that minor characters from Halloween 2018 got a bit more screen time in this movie. Though brief, they had some crazy deaths.

I mean most of the chatacters were totally drunk as well as being completely terrified in the situations they were put in. Their decisions were unfortunately realistic.

I really didn't like the fanservice. I couldn't care less about the older characters

@@balabanasireti That's not really fanservice and we don't care if you liked the main characters or not. The entire point of the movie is to show the trauma that was caused to the rest of the town and Michael's victims instead of Laurie and her family. That's why the mob stuff was so important. The characters were came back from the original were the focus along with Alyson as the new heroine.

@@maulok8441 I don't give a shit, kid. So maybe don't write a reply that I'll stop reading after the second sentence. The characters were boring fanservice and the trauma was handled poorly. End of story.

1 and 2 are legendary, because of Carpenter

@Natasha Evans in between film???!!! It starts at the beginning of the end of 2018 so it puts you right there in the action and doesn’t lead up to a big reveal because then it keeps going and gets more and more gruesome

Bro are you going to update the Michael Myers evolution

H20 is my favorite

These are the best two Halloweens besides the original.

That’s how funny it was, it was Michael thinking of it, not because she can’t aim she can, she knows how you use guns, but that doesn’t mean she’s a sniper, Michael killing her with the door is funny

Some good Dark Humor

Halloween: Hey Lonnie, get your ass away from there!

@@schulzjulius Halloween 2018: Aww man... I got peanut butter on my penis.

I'd say it's more a documentary on how Big City liberals (assuming that based on how they have people stupidly use firearms, and rural mobs to be wildly inept) don't know a thing about rural midwest towns. Like shit, the last time they had a mob in Halloween, at least the writers knew, those drunk idiots would not go looking for michael without rifles and shotguns.

@@MrHellsing76 RIP Ted Hollister. Gone but not forgotten.

@@That-Will-Do-It They got the small town atmosphere in the flashbacks and the bar scenes sort of. but the rest of it was really bad.

Score slapped

Yeah I think it is the shock of how competent Michael is that gets most, not the shock of how "stupid" Vanessa was like some suggest. You really do not expect him to do that, and it is so sudden and brutal and a change of pace for how he kills people, normally he goes for much more drawn out and slow deaths. To have something so sudden is just so unexpected, and it delivers like humor because of that. It may not be intentional, but that juxtaposition of timing is set up just like a joke. It feels like a punchline with how sudden it occurs, you know? So even if you feel bad for the character's death, it is the timing that causes people to laugh, even if they don't realize it.

That’s the actual funny part, I loved Vanessa, not her not aiming the gun it’s the door price she got

I don't know what's more bizarre that or people wasting bullets and not doing any damage to Michael *smh* .

my favorite kill in the movie just because of how silly it is lol

He’s just unstoppable

Yeah unlike someone who predicted a theory about Karen getting killed by Michael standing at the window and it could’ve ended there instead

Yeah that shit was trash and made no sense

Like he came back killed that whole group and somehow sneaked back upstairs with no ones seeing him to kill her and just stand there

i’m still convinced she’s alive idc idc i just don’t want her to die😭 we never actually see him stab her in a fatal spot

@@shabeehasim3748 I'm with you on this. If we all thought Hawkins was dead just to have him survive, the same could be done with Karen. Have her badly injured but still alive.

also funny story: I've only seen this movie in theaters one time. I want to see it again for many reasons, one of them being that people broke out into a screaming match and almost started physically fighting in the middle of the movie. Lmao.

all these characters that we dont care about, and then they just die. this film needed to be about alyson and focus on her, they missed a golden opportunity to do so. They focus wayyyy to much on all these "legacy" characters and i didnt care about ANY OF THEM.

@Nico ww thank you for being respectful of us who did not enjoy it. I just wanted to say thank you.

@@The420SNAG I didn't either, but we also have to show respect for those who did. I love horror movies and don't want us to be so angry at those who don't agree with us.

@@nicoww9182 I would agree that the kills are awesome. I love big John's death that was my favorite kill.

YES PLEASE

Freddy X vs Michael X. Both the Elm Street House and the Myers house are sent into space and Freddy and Michael have a legal dispute about how much of the expanse of space is part of their house's lawn.

That was annoying me. I was yelling at the screen about how small he was. THERES NO WAY THATS MICHEAL!!!WTF??

Lmaooo

Danny Devito haha

Cool

That’s neat

I mean why would they meet in kills? They gotta save it for ends. And we got cute character moments with her and Hawkins. She actually gets character development too. Unlike h2 lol

dumb comment

At least she wasn’t in a coma like Halloween II, I’m glad she actually gets multiple lines of dialogue & interacts with characters.

This movie did a lot of referencing and callbacks so her role in this movie is technically the same as Halloween II as Laurie spend most of time in the hospital injured. And There was really nothing she can do in HK seeing how she was so injured and can barely walk, so yeah I agree with the other guy, gotta save it for Halloween Ends.

SOUND FAMILIAR?!?!?

It has to be on bluray first

@@chrisflynn2006 hopefully soon

Don't read my name;*;$+;"

@@readmyprofiledont5060 no one cares

@@chrisflynn2006 in January

Yeah, I watched with a buddy of mine who is a gun nut, and he laughed, and when I asked he said it took him out of it because if a gun was to discharge in that situation, it would definitely happen when the door hit the gun not when it got to her face.

To me what was funny was how Michael just killed her like that, with the simplicity of kicking the door

I wish her death wasn’t changed from how it was in the script.

@@tt_dynomite I'm not even a gun person in the slightest but i feel lile that's a no brainer if you think about it for more than 5 seconds it seemed really sloppy and convenient

It was so blunt and sudden. And her continually missing shots and when Michael makes 1 move that happens… it’s hilarious

I don’t understand also the thing that “oh Michael is homophobic” NO HES NOT HE JUST KILLED THEM BECAUSE HE WANTS THEM OUT OF THE HOUSE

@@miketrapper0464 nobody is saying that

@@Ethos10128 no a lot of people trying to be extra woke have made complaints about it. It would’ve been more homophobic to not kill them just because they were gay imo. He even posed them like their photo

@@Ethos10128 there are people saying that

@@Ethos10128 there is people online claiming Michael was homophobic for killing them and also have issues with them being played by straight people.. It's like the very basis of acting wasn't to pretend to be someone you are not..

Same found dead meat in mid 2018

Great writing

I think the only issue is that there is too much slashing and too less story. And the brutal killing that michael does just isn't his style. But otherwise the movie was great.

@@appleleptikerMichael isn’t brutal??

@@staywoke2467 He is more brutal in this movie than in the others.

@@appleleptiker ummm Halloween II (2009) says hello

@@mummeii he is completely different person. This is the same Michael from 1978, that wasn't brutal at all. He shouldn't be a f*cking Art The Clown that makes art of human bodies.

I felt like he should have bleed out

I could survive that

He's clearly Rasputin.

How is it ambiguous by the end of the movie?

Homies got a Wolverine healing factor

How many shots did she take before she accidentally shot herself

The hospital scenes were the best part. So subtle and necessary

That's most of the movie! You must have had a great time lol

corny af

i hope you all know i was joking because they said that phrase over and over again, and i wasnt being specific on which time they said it.

@@wombato5715 We do!

I felt like they wanted to run a storyline arc where the gay people were like in awe of Michael and the legend and they just weren’t good enough writers to make it work.

Big John and Little John know the story and used it in the movie to spook kids jokingly. For someone to live in a famed home of a murderer and then see him sitting across the room from you, Little John's expression turned from grief to shock and fear.

They tried to be cryptic

@@franciscoaguilar2597 I think the line and delivery of it just came off very campy rather than real shock.

@@willdallas53 I don’t think being gay had anything to do with it.

Exactly it’s not necessarily “funny” more like goofy? Idk it just felt so odd.

For me it's one of those "oh" moments where you just don't feel anything like "well..Well that happened."

Michael is pure evil, Jason just needs therapy

I agree it is one of the best sequels to Halloween. (I exclude Rob Zombies reboot and Halloween 3 since they are both technically their own things.) It has a lot of flaws, but the good parts of this film are SO good that I can't really say I dislike this film. Even the bad parts, while frustrating, are still a small part of the film. My only really big problem is the ending, it is just so abrupt and feels like it goes against everything the film has been setting up. I love how Michael is just a normal dude who is very good at killing people, and the ending unfortunately revokes that by making him survive the impossible. Karen is a great character in this trilogy, and she dies so abruptly that it feels like her death has no meaning and was just there for shock factor. So it is a mixed bag for me, but again, the positive greatly outweighs much of the negative imo.

For sure it’s one of the better ones, not one of the best but I loved it

I hated it. And I’m not saying that based on bandwagon reviews. I saw it day 1 with no spoilers and after the movie I walked out angry and disgusted. Angry because I felt my time was wasted due to nothing happening the whole movie and because I really was excited and wanted to love this movie. Disgusted because the movie was just really mean spirited and a lot of kills just made me feel gross. Like in the new scream and even Texas chainsaw massacre most kills are quick and gory in a fun and exciting way. In Halloween kills you watch a terrified mentally ill man beg for his life then jump to his death while the camera zooms in on his exploded head, twisted limbs, and twitching fingers. That’s something that’s not fun to watch. I know people say “that’s the point! It’s not suppose to be fun to watch and your suppose to be uncomfortable”, but then why make the movie? Movies are for entertainment, if I want to be depressed I’ll pay someone to murder a puppy in front of me.

@@TheFabulousPotato1 I can definitely agree with the kills

No his death was supposed to be symbolic of him being in awe of Myers but the writers weren’t good enough to get that across to the viewers.

@@willdallas53 ddg and Danny are comedic writers though. Wouldn’t be surprise at all if they threw a joke in that scene for their own amusement. I don’t think not enough people caught onto that connection tho