The Flood Are Already In Halo Infinite: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-iDz2lgYe4fI.html Halo Infinite The Endless Explained: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-UGqUr9oKTSs.html Halo Infinite's Story Explained: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-k1bqIXlGQPc.html
I still think that if bungie was given creative freedom over halo then it would of become destiny over time Spartans would of become guardians after finding a precursor in stasis inside of the traveller
I'm gonna assume that the endless is actually the timeless one aka a precursor, and I thought it was made plenty obvious the the harbinger is the same race as the prophets based on their identical appearance and what she says about one race (humans) were aloud to continue while the other was punished severely since they couldn't be controlled (the prophets race).
The fact that the legendary ending mentions Offensive Bias makes it even more mysterious. Perhaps Grand Edict was talking about the battle between Offensive and Mendicant?
He is. In the beginning of the ending, it states "Zeta Halo 97,368 BCE." That puts it right at the ending of the Forerunner Flood War when Offensive Bias led the assault to retake the Ark and Zeta Halo from Mendicant Bias and the Primordial.
The fact that everything could tie in with the flood is amazing. Because not only does it set more story between the Banished, Master Chief, The Endless, and more, but it brings back one of the most greatest, nastiest, coolest enemies in Halo and video game series.
@@GreyMagee74 I doubt bringing the Precursors into the fold would make sense... These guys used Psychic tentacles to wipe out star systems en mass... Unless we are to believe Chief's shielding can regenerate from being slammed by a planet...
@@GreyMagee74 Do we really know that the endless are the precursors? Why would 343 call them the endless if they’re just gonna turn out to be a race we already know of?
@@陳潔明-w6y seeing as The Precursors were the only known race that the Forunners yeeted and did what Harbinger was harping about, and the fact she looked and did some poses like the Precursors we've seen in art for them.... I'm gonna say they are the same race with a different name. It's kinda like we call Native Americans that, but they want to be called indigenous peoples or something else than natives.
"They believe we are here to help." This is really important. Help with what? Were the Endless fleeing the Flood and seeking shelter? Or were they were hoping the Forerunners could help control time to erase the Flood from history? There are a lot of possibilities, but it's clear the Endless trusted the Forerunners way more than they should have.
@@jadeno.2872 I suppose it to be them because they are the ones to be called "timeless ones". Maybe trapped in those devices shown here by forerunners.
@@masterchief5603 its a new species its not precursors, or primordial. The primordial wasn't the only one capable of traveling dimensions and controlling time life etc. So much mystery in this universe what stories have we been told that are actually true? Think ab it
Just to add-on, the "fog" in the room reminded me of the Flood's spores, the Precursors tried to preserve themselves as dust that eventually become corrupted then turned into flood. The dust in that room is probably the pure dust that is leaking out of the cylixes.
There’s is a theory that the Precursor preservation dust didn’t become corrupt and that the Flood is their returning form in order to create a “true living universe.”
I either thought that The Endless were the Flood or the Precursors (before they became the Flood or whatever they did to bring the Flood into existence)
When you collect the 7 artifacts. The weapon says that the data was filled with deep regret and sorrow from a long long time ago. In halo CE, guilty spark says to chief "Why would you hesitate to do what you have already done?" before attempting to activate halo. And now this time travel talk with the endless. Does chief travel in time and activate halo? Does Infinity signify a time loop of events?
@@spartancecchi the ISO Didact fired the ring and marked humanity as the inheritors of the Mantle and Reclaimers of the Galaxy. We also know human were once the rivals of the forerunners and that the forerunners then killed the precursors (which makes one wonder what they did to humans since it's literally millions of years later when the flood comes into the picture). But since humans and forerunners were set as rivals and their similarities are often talked about it seems likely that the two are very genetically similar. If you assume the ISO Didact set them to recognize humans AS forerunners then Spark's comment makes sense. (Though the real reason is because Bungie were planning on the forerunners actually being ancient humans and the firing of the rings set everyone back)
I think what Guilty Spark meant something more along the lines of “why hesitate to kill when you’ve done it before” implying that Cortana and chief had it in them to kill everyone
My Take: Atriox want's to be able to utilize the time-warping capabilities of whatever species is within the Cylix to undo what Cortana has done and bring back his home world, or this is 343i Retconning the entirety of H5 lol. I also believe we'll get a playable Atriox, as the scene is from his POV.
Ooh you're probably right, Atriox would certainly want to bring back the Brute homeworld. He's probably gonna fire off a couple of new wars against the endless doing it too.
I could agree and its very possible that the next halo game will be modeled very similar to halo 2 in regards to being able to play as master chief and the arbiter filling in both story lines
Atriox didn't go back in time. They show him standing looking over the cylixes to show that he is about to free the endless. The forerunner dialogue in the past was giving us insight about what atriox was about to do, since the endless are new to Halo. I also think that maybe those rings that are broken that look like portals we find around the Halo ring might actually be portals once the endless are freed. Remember, this game is going to be serviced for 10 years, and obviously the campaign ended on many cliffhangers intentionally to show that there will be more content added to it. It'd be a cool practical aspect if those portals bring us to different locations on the ring that we can't see in the distance, so we can experience different biomes, for one, because the pines and mountains are eventually gonna get old over 10 years. Also, it's clear atriox thinks he can control the endless and wants to use them to reverse what has happened. when I forgot who it was, a female, told him the endless will change everything he knows, he said good. Also remember Cortana wiped out his people. Atriox wants to control the universe or something and thinks he can change everything and con the endless. Then we'll probably see that he can't. I wonder if the endless will be an ally to us or an enemy, clearly we now know the harbinger isn't one of the endless since she can't control time and the way she talks about them. And the forerunner flood war ended at the time in the ending, so we might expect flood to return to infinite. That'd be awesome. I'm thinking they're calling it Halo Infinite for a reason. Infinite things to do, or infinite things changing, the endless creating infinite things or changing things on the map. or the fact the endless would be infinite since they control time and I guess can't die. That must mean the endless will play a huge major role in infinite, I think the game's story ark will revolve around them over the next few years
In the game they jumped forward a few days though. And later cortana says she picked up a message that was old... really old. Harbinger was talking to someone and I really think thats why they showed Atriox. That was definitely him going back in time.
Maybe the Endless are the Precursors and the Foruner's truth is that hey were gifted the mantle of responsibility instead of stealing it by destroying the Precursors.
Original lore is that ancient humans were supposed to up hold the mantle, the forerunners were upset with this and attacked the precursors. Along with that humanity had been wiping out flood infestations some on forerunner planets. The forerunners thought they were being attacked so they nearly wiped ancient humans from the galaxy, the kept some alive on the rings and setting back their evolution. So unless 343i changes the lore that's been established, the endless or "PUNISHED" are most likely ancient humans. That's just my assumption.
I was thinking that too, there were some ancient humans on Zeta Halo indeed, but probably isn't human, since the Harbinger said that the reclaimer wasn't the future, so, humans out of question.
@@TaMightyM00se i doubt ancient humans can control time which is a construct even the forerunners cant grasp. Harbinger is one of the endless since she was released from a cylax in the beginning and she looks alot like precursor
@@TaMightyM00se I would agree with you but the Harbinger is very obviously not an ancient human. My money is on the original comments theory that the Endless could be the precursors. I do like that theory though.
The Harbinger is a Xalanyn aka “Endless” - a brand new Halo faction & species. They’re immune to Halo blasts - funny enough, the Forerunners didn’t even know they existed until after the blast. The were brought from their homeworld onto Zeta Halo - where they lived for some time. Then were eventually experimented upon, interrogated, judged, and then imprisoned - all of that by the Forerunners. Supposedly they threatened the Forerunner’s claim to the Mantle. Which makes sense, cuz the Forerunners are easily offended pompous jerks. Which is why the Endless got imprisoned… and now their free, thanks to Atriox & Harbinger.
You can tell he survived the explosion caused by cortana from the scarring on his face, he also no longer has the war paint of the banished. Very interesting! Can't wait for more as always lol
@@Foxyman18 I don't think it was actually, I just played halo wars 2 and I didn't see it red. Idk about a new side per say except that he's definitely trying to build a new army. One that might kill him.
@@nR00R It was, I should've explained there's a difference to that instead of saying it was just now scarred, cause yes it always was. you can compare the first cutscene to the last and it has clearly worsened. Especially on his nostril and on the side of his face leading up to his eye and beyond. His scar used to mainly be his cheek and slight cleft from a wound on his lip.
Ironic, considering the Didact used a chamber to age the last known Primordial's physical form out of existence, billions of years over the course of seconds. Time was a construct the Forerunners could control, but maybe the rapid aging of the Primordial occurred after they imprisoned the Endless? Makes sense to me.
@@princeharris2660 The forerunners had limited time manipulation abilities utilising slipspace bubbles yes (I believe onyx is a good example of this if I remember correctly), but it's being heavily implied that the endless have complete control over it as the harbinger was sending a signal back through time. As for the chamber you mentioned, it was actually precursor in origin, a "Reverse Timelock".
Given the fact that Chief and the Weapon accidentally jump 3 days into the future when escaping the Auditorium, it seems like they might be going full time travel. Curious if that means Chief will go back to previous games, or if he'll go back to the ancient times of the Forerunner's rule. Only time will tell.
doubtful, jumping forward in time would be more like stepping outside of time and reentering later, much like a form a stasis. Going backwards in time is a whole different can of worms
What the Weapon said at the end was interesting. "The signal is old. Really old." Whoever Harbinger was talking to at the very end was WAY back there. I think Atriox WAS 100,000 years back
@@TMek42 nah they put a lot of emphasis on Zeta Halo being different than the others and that it holds a lot of secrets? and then we find out Chief went 3 days into the future and Atriox is somehow thousands of years in the past? It really does seem like time travel is going to happen.
With the endless being capable of time manipulation it's not far fetched for Atriox to have been sent back in time. It also brings sense to the person the harbinger was talking to since the signal was ancient
The technology producing the signal is probably just old. Probably older than the forerunners tech. The message was definitely for Atriox, but if they literally sent him all the way back in time it wouldn't make sense. No one would have a chance in hell of stopping them. It's obviously still taking place in the present or we're in for a shitty cluster fuck of a game with terrible plot holes coming up. If time was that drastically changed then no one would have memories of what happened and shit. Entire races might not exist anymore, etc. Everything would change and there is no way the writers could keep up.
@@ASimpleMangoMan I can't yet disagree with the time theory because its curious that Atriox was absent the whole game and seemingly ignoring theBanished. They all thought him dead when cortana blew up part of the ring. But he may have been teleported in time instead. I don't think Atriox would have any reason to ignore Echarum since there isn't anything suggesting that had altier motives.
@@ASimpleMangoMan yeah I don't think Atriox time travelled although I could be wrong. It wouldn't make sense that no forerunner could stop him from freeing the endless. I think the dialogue is taking place in the past and the scene is happening in the present. The only thing that confuses me is when the weapon says "the signal is old, like really old". Maybe she was talking to someone else in the past who wasn't atriox but helped present atriox get to the ring. One more point to prove that wasn't in the past, look at atriox's face, it's half burnt. That happened when Cortana sacrificed herself in front of atriox which happened recently
The problem with the time travel theory is this is when the Ring's and their defenses and Monitors were still basically at their peak and not undergoing rampancy or disrepair. it would be almost impossible for Atriox to singlehandedly get to where the Endless are in a Halo Ring that was only freshly left to the Monitors meaning still a full stock of Sentinels and other goodies the Monitors got to use to defend their installations
The Grand Edict's voice is also very, very similar to the Didact's. Also, note that the Endless' cylaxes are different from the Harbinger's that we can see at the end of mission 2.
Darin De Paul is a top notch voice actor.. best of the best.. he voiced multiple characters including the forerunner speaking in the legendary ending.. he also voiced escharum. he voiced emperor valkorion in star wars the old republic
In the Harbingers last moments she is talking to Atriox in 97.368 BCE. The weapon confirms that the signal is really old. The Harbinger is telling Atriox that he has what he needs to release the endless and we see him do it in the legendary ending
If they can’t be killed by rings then they can’t be infected by the flood. I doubt they are machine organisms because they are preserved in Cylixes, but if they are then they might get the logic plague.
Why wouldn’t they be able to infect the Endless? If the Endless are like the Harbinger then they can most definitely infect them as she is an organic being and the flood can infect and assimilate any organic matter and infect them at will, and if the Endless are Precursors then they can also be infected because the flood is essentially just corrupt precursors.
You ever notice how that last room had a bunch of Jiralhanae Cylixes? I think Atriox was trying to bring his people back since Cortana did the deed on his homeworld
YOOO YES, since forerunners have the technology to move whole PLANETS I believe that is one of the things he's trying to accomplish since he got sent back to the past.
7:41 we do have to notice the fact that after harbinger talked with atriox, the weapon says that Harbinger was contacting something old, something really old which implies that Harbinger was contacting with atriox in past
I’m guessing the endless can do what happened at the end kinda if the rings are fired they can travel like chief did a couple days into the future hence the rings can not destroy them since they can just skip 3 days ahead that’s my best guess as there’s no other reason to send chief 3 days into the future without context
@@jwhiskey534 either them or could it be a brand new species never talked about or any data recorded since the forerunners didn’t want anyone knowing about them idk
@@jwhiskey534 Interesting.... because the only "known" secret of the Forerunners is that they weren't the true inheritors of the Mantle (that was supposed to be Humanity by the Precursors design). The Forerunners stole the mantle, killed the Precursors (who actually created the Forerunners, so it was a case of the created rebelling against the creator), and prevented the rightful owners of the mantle from acquiring it.
@@Zunedoodle77 Indeed just finished playing Halo Infinite Campaign. The notion of something “that’s worse than the Flood” lead me to the Precursors/Primordials/Endless ones as they basically are the progenitors of the Flood. Here’s an interesting snippet from Halopedia: “the Master Builder had the prisoner (Precursor) taken to Installation 07 so that it could be interrogated by Mendicant Bias. At some point during the long interrogation, which lasted roughly 43 years or 379,807 hours, the prisoner convinced Mendicant Bias to betray his Forerunner masters via the use of the logic plague. From this point on, he began conducting experiments on the Human and Forerunner occupants of Installation 07, consisting of infecting individuals with the "Shaping Sickness," known more commonly as the Flood. At the end of Halo: Primordium, it is revealed that the prisoner is actually a Gravemind, re-enforcing the established canon concerning the betrayal of the Forerunners by 032 Mendicant Bias. In the ending of Primordium, the prisoner was captured by the Didact using ancient Precursor technology called a Reverse Timelock, which accelerated time within its immediate sphere, causing the Primordial to rapidly age and eventually decay.”
The Endless being Precursors seems like a red herring to me. Firstly because they (Precursors) were supposed to have been eradicated by the forerunners eons before the Halos were even built. Secondly, the Precursors were the ones in charge at the time, the forerunners overthrew them and took over the mantle of responsibility from them. Lastly, aside from the primordial who was the last Precursor, the rest basically turned into the flood (short version). So that being said, if the Endless are Precursors, there's no way they would think the forerunners were there to help them.
@@TheEcho112 I suppose it goes bit further.. precursors fled to some stellar cloud. While take the context that they have travelled to many other galaxies as well, eradication from milky way is sure but not from universe. Secondly after fleeing, some turned to flood (if I suppose that's right..) while others perhaps maybe just went away.
@@TheEcho112 no they weren’t totally eradicated, plus they had the power to bend time and space at will so if Anyhting they just made it seem like they were killed off
Harbinger said she was a messenger during her fight, so I assume she’s the one who is supposed to wake the precursors from their deep sleep after they half-destroyed themselves in the forerunner-precursor war. Also when the surviving precursors did destroy themselves into dust and some got corrupted into flood, she might have just contacted the FLOOD…. 0_0
@@mcfeddle I think precursors were inter galactic civilization. They even got to black eye Galaxy and fought something like flood but it was black in color called enigma. There isn't really much written on it around but I read that if I remember correctly.
Could be, maybe even a different kind of them, but if they went asking for help, seems like they had an common enemy, the flood, quite interesting how they could be worst than the flood but also weak to them, would be interesting to see how this workout, also, Zeta Halo wasn't the ancient human Halo? Like, where they were imprisoned after the war.
At first I thought the Endless was The Flood as it is technically endless and has been trapped on Halo rings for study, but it is probably something else, and it could very well be a precursor or something.
@@mr.ditkovich6379 That's true, then it begs, if the Flood is a threat to all sentient life... That means the Endless has the power to do so much more worse things...
Isn’t it also mentioned that the rings don’t affect the endless? Which it’s also been said that the rings don’t kill the flood they just kill their food.
I think missing a big part here is who was helping the MC and the Weapon? It just being Cortana's echos doesn't add up for a system that was actively helping them the whole fight and teleporting them out. Maybe it was Offensive Bias?
Thinking the same thing too, Offensive could have been left on the ring since his win over mendicant. I just found one of the forerunner rings/audio log and the Weapon said something about sensing another intelligence on the ring that feels lonely. Honestly it makes an insane amount of sense when you think about the fact that even mendicant helped Chief back on the Ark in H3. If the timeless are the precursors/primordial/flood it would also make sense for Offensive to still be around the area that they’re imprisoned incase they somehow get released again.
@@ILootStandingStill It wouldn't make much sense for it *not* to be, Offensive knew the Humans were the new holders of the Mantle and would absolutely do anything to help the Reclaimers keep the Endless imprisoned, especially if he himself isn't able to do so for whatever reason
@@ILootStandingStill I think the lonely part is actually the fragments of mendicant bias itself. After the Forerunner Flood war, Mendicant was shattered to only feel regret for what it had done, was sentences in silence, and broken apart. Mendicant has shown multiple times it is willing to help humanity. The Ark and its resistance in High Charity are some examples.
@@markhohenbrink5230 mendicants core was on the dreadnaught from H2 while his seperate fragment was buried deep beneath the sands on the ark. There aren’t any fragments of him left on installation 07. We don’t know what they did with offensive after the war though, the legendary cutscene at the end definitely solidifies that offensive bias was deployed to assist Despondant Pyre with her imprisonment and secrecy of the Endless.
@@ILootStandingStill mendicant bias was not broken into just 2 shards. It was broken down into as many shards that offensive bias had ships left. This number is not known, and judging by how mendicant actively helps Master Chief throughout the series there is a chance that its Mendicant. The forerunner artifacts on the rings can either be interpreted that its the remaining thoughts of the shard or Offensive Bias thoughts. You are probably right that its Offensive Bias, but there is a slim chance its another shard of mendicant bias.
I literally have said since the beginning, chief will be the one (alongside guilty spark) to fire the rings...he will travel back in time to stop the endless! That's why guilty sparks line from c.e is "why do you hesitate to do that which you have already done...
The line is in reference to Guilty Spark seeing the culmination of the Geas of Bornstellar rising in John 117. It shows that John 117 is the reclaimer, and so too is much of humanity. John is special though as it seems he has a particularly strong tie to the geas of bornstellar, which is why characters keep referencing it as such from Halo CE with Guilty Spark to The Librarian, all realize that in chief is a part of the Iso Didact, od Bornstellar. In John 117 are the echos of the genesong of the Iso Didact, this is partly what pushes him - and much of humanity - to continue persevering, no matter what.
@@arlaux1099 I've read every single novel, got just about every piece or merch...I'm well aware what 343 want us to think. Just with time travel being introduced into it now...makes perfect sense. What a poignant ending it would make, that to save humanity, John has to wipe it out...possibly alongside himself!
@@ryangow4881 it would be a hell of a thing for that to happen. Halo 1 came out 20 years ago I doubt they planned that far ahead but who knows maybe 343 will make the tie themselves
Yeah it’s meant to be a little magical same way cortana almost looked like she merged with chief and the weapon maybe she gave the weapon more life like cortana and she even calls herself cortana so I’m pretty stoked for the next part😆
I think this is so interesting, because I began writing a story that included offensive bias a long while back. He was the only AI that could defeat mendicant bias and was tactically Superior. Offensive bias was deployed because mendicant bias turned against the forerunners, and defensive bias beat him by capturing him and dismantling his software piece by piece and confining each of those pieces.
Honestly leading towards the idea that Zeta Halo can warp reality and travel people through time. There are some key facts to note that happened that may build into the idea of time-travel, aside from the fact that 343i might end up using it to rewrite Halo 4/5 (5 more specifically): - Atriox's homeworld was obliterated by Cortana. Cortana was made by Humanity, so Atriox took his revenge out on Humanity. - Atriox is probably wanting to reverse the destruction of his homeworld and seeks out Zeta Halo to change something, if he already took his revenge on Humanity, why would he need a Halo Ring with an Unknown purpose to be rebuilt? - Cortana damaged the Ring enough to disable it, so Atriox couldn't use it. Clearly has more power potency than the Guardians destroying Atriox's homeworld and is a threat enough to warrant it. - Eschurum and the rest of the Banished keep talking about how Atriox died, Atriox died. But why do they think Atriox died? Did Atriox tell them to lie about it so he can fake his death and proceed unimpeded. OR Atriox traveled through time to that 97,368 BCE, and him going missing without warning led Eschurum to believe Atriox was killed. - When Chief travels through the random open portal at the end of the game, 3 days go by in a matter of seconds without Chief being aware. The Forerunners can build galaxy destroying super-weapons that specifically target sentient life. They can build Guardians that can cull evolution/development and/or destroy entire planets. Build (essentially cryo-pods) Cryptums that can imprison and maintain the life of sentient beings within (Ur Didact/Halo 4 and then also Chief/Halo 5). Not entirely off to think Forerunners could have a method of time-travel. So I don't necessarily believe that it's just historic dialog playing over present-day cinematics, otherwise why would they time-stamp it? Halo has a history of playing dialog over current cinematics as a callback/flashback/memory/history, but they never timestamped it before. See movies/shows like Avengers: Endgame, Loki, (and maybe if I recall correctly) Back to the Future where timestamps are a common practice if characters are jumping through time-lines and establish context. Watching and theorizing about time-travel a lot over the years leads me to believe that Halo: Infinite is leaning into the idea of time-travel. Even from a cinematic/storytelling perspective, that time-stamp is not misplaced or an after thought addition for the legendary ending, and it's almost definitely to establish where Atriox is presently, since the time-stamp or location does not appear in the normal ending. There's also the very specific key phrase of "Time will forget *they* ever existed", followed by "Time is not a construct we can control", then "And we cannot allow it to be theirs". Time, itself, is an entity in this context. Then circling back to a point you talk about, the single being Old "Really Old". If she is indeed talking to Atriox, he is 100% in a different timeline and communicating with The Harbinger.
I’m not sure how monumental this moment is in mainline halo games. The endless is most likely the precursors. And then throw in offensive bias in the mix and you got a crazy future for halo games.
As far as I know the precursors are all-but confirmed extinct. The Primordial (Gravemind) even claimed to be the last one. The Flood is all that remains of the Precursors, which is why I think it’d be weird if the Endless were the Precursors. Because they often compare the Endless to the Flood throughout the game.
@@malachiflannery9093 There can be multiple grave minds I believe. But the primordial in particular was not necessarily a grave-mind. In the lore the primordial was brought to installation 7, zeta halo, to be imprison it around 100,000 BCE. Right around the time of the ending in Halo. Idk who else the endless could be seeing how they can control time I beleive.
@@Ty-wf6mg With that assumption about the Endless in mind, and knowing that the Precursors turned themselves into the Flood as a last-ditch revenge against the defiance of the Forerunners, I feel like it would be silly for the Precursors to go through all that nonsense... if they already were able to control time in their pre-Flood state to begin with. Also, the whole reason the Flood happened was because of a powder-like substance created by the Precursors which was supposed to be able to survive the firing of the Halo Array, and then this powder would somehow form into a Precursor. But something went wrong, and they instead became this bastardized form of a Precursor, which eventually became known as the Flood. It was also said in the story that the Endless were immune to the firing of the Halo Array to some degree, we aren't exactly sure how yet (presumably through their meddling with time). But, we also know (given all current knowledge) that the Precursors WERE vulnerable to the firing of the Halo Array, or at least, the Domain was. Which was Precursor technology. The Endless were also around alongside the Flood, which is one of the more "in your face" reasons that I think they're separate from the Precursors. So, although I don't think the Endless are the Precursors, I do think it is very possible they're some kind of disciple, or descendant? Maybe even a Precursor to the Precursors? Or a Forerunner experiment gone wrong? We do know that the Precursors are responsible (to some extent) for the existence of sentient life. But honestly, Atriox is probably the only one that knows what the hell is going on.
@@malachiflannery9093 What if The Endless are not exactly a form of sentient life as we know it? I mean - they could even stand above of what's called "life". Time manipulation would be a countermeasure to passing away, but I feel like there's something else about their nature.
I'm so excited that you are involved with Halo's story as well. I really enjoy your content bro, and the effort is very much appreciated! I just finished the campaign and had such a blast!
Why is no one talking about the fact that Atriox looks completely different in this cutscene than he did when seen at any other point? His hair is black instead of grey, half his face is badly scarred, he doesn’t have his usual white face markings, and he doesn’t have the odst chest piece on his torso.
The endless can control time and are the precursors, the endless might be the same race as the harbinger was I can’t wait for when they release the next bit of the story in a few months as they said this games a 10 year live service
I think Atriox went back in the past, because when the weapon tries to track the signal she says "its really *old* ". It might be that Atriox was in the past the whole time and was awaiting something from the Harbinger to awaken the endless and maybe bring them to the future? The Harbinger also says "tell them sorry it took so long" so maybe it was all planned beforehand? Just my theories
to be honest, its not that difficult if you watch out for the snipers; and make heavy use of every suit upgrade, especially shieldwall and grapple with emp expl. The most difficult thing for me was one of the mini-bosses that starts off with a wraith, because he is surrounded by snipers and its very open.
@@R-SXX I just suck haha but I was so dumb when it came to fighting escharum I forget there is a grapple 🤦🏻♂️ to move faster when he switched to the gravity hammer and then after halfway I started utilizing the shield but I’ll have to try again I guess on a harder level and actually utilize the equipment
I just cant understand how the endless can be a bigger threat than the friggin FLOOD. I get that they can survive the firing of halo but its the flood man come on
Hmm idk, the job of the halo array is to kill the food source of the flood, the endless considered such food, if the flood were to get their hands on an endless genes or DNA, who knows what the flood could do with their ability to survive the halo array. Also supposedly there is going to be story expansion expanding on the endless I think, so we gotta wait and see. They basically throw a massive wrench into the forerunners grand plan.
It seems to be heavily hinting at time control. The Endless may have had some level of control of time. The Flood were very bad but if the Endless had control of time it's understandable the Forerunners saw them as a bigger threat
The ending implies the Endless can control time. Which means they can erase history. All the accomplishments of any individual, any civilization can be completely obliterated. Destruction by the Flood is horrific, but at least you can leave a legacy. Destruction by the Endless offers no such mercy.
If the endless ones can manipulate time, maybe atriox wants to use it to try and bring his world back? And with chief using a portal that manipulated time, maybe atriox went through one which would explain why the signal the harbinger was taking to was really old.
THEORY: Maybe the voice speaking is the iso didact. He speaks of the engineers. And as we all know, he used OB as a tool to stop MB and the flood. So I feel we can say with some level of certainty that he’s a forerunner. That’d explain his motivation to hold xalanyns/the endless on the ring. Perhaps iso fears that the xalanyns will try and release the flood. The precursors created them to survive the firing of the halo array and to repopulate/take hold of the galaxy after the mass extinctions that the array would cause. Im sure a race that was showed mercy by another incredibly powerful race would come to respect them and take the opportunity to bring them back if they could do so. Thus I would imagine that the xalanyns would know that the precursors are essentially the flood (the defective sand/stasis form that created the flood) and that the primordial is in control. Makes an awful lot of sense to me, but I don’t remember exactly the fate of the bornstellar didact, so perhaps I’m wrong.
Pretty sure only the Forerunner audio was from the period 97,368 BCE. It wouldn't make sense for Atriox to travel back in time to free the Endless because then he'd be surrounded by Forerunners who imprisoned the Endless and they'd immediately deal with him too. The Harbinger was probably talking to Atriox, who then went to finish freeing the Endless afterwards.
I'm pretty sure Atriox went back in time somehow with the help of the Harbinger. This is why I believe that. 1. When the Harbinger was talking to someone at the end the single was " Old really old" Atriox time travel making the signal OLD. 2. After the fight with Harbinger Chief went into a "unknown portal" most likely caused by Harbinger death and the weapon said "when are we?" They were gone for 3 days like the Harbinger was minuplationing time when she teleports. Just my thoughts on this.
One thing I will say is that as soon as you start fucking with time in a franchise you know there are 2 outcomes. It’s either the start of an increasingly boring loop of content that never ends. Or, it’s the beginning of the grand finale. Or it’s a plot hole like the time turner in Harry Potter lol.
Offensive Bias is likely active in the halo universe right now. 2 pieces of evidence support this. 1. In the harbinger battle the weapon mentions that something in the system is helping her. 2. After harbinger disappears the facility collapses and all of a sudden a portal opens to which the weapon responds with an uncertain voice about how the portal appeared, she more or less just said yes as a way to comfort John but clearly she didn't create the portal. An unknown presence helping her and then a random portal showing up in the room? Now you could say "Cortana likely helped her." Here's the problem with that, Cortana died after destroying a portion of the ring, all thats left are just data memories or as the weapon likes to call it "Just dust and echoes." which is a reference to CE's ending. Offensive Bias after the forerunner flood war was no were to be seen as far as we can tell, there is nothing about what happened to offensive bias after it so really anything could happen and its not impossible for offensive bias to pop up one day and commit the same act as mendicant, help master chief defeat a common foe. In halo 3 mendicant helps chief escape installation 08 as its about to be destroyed since it fires its array when its semi-built which causes the ring to collapse and all that to target the flood. Offensive bias in infinite is helping chief defeat the harbinger who seems to be of the endless race. Both Forerunner Ancilla's help chief on a halo ring, a bit poetic especially since in halo 3 Cortana is your A.I too which mendicant helps you and in infinite the weapon or Cortana 2.0 is your A.I to which offensive bias helps you and that she was tasked with locking down Cortana who went rogue in halo 5 which is practically reliving the battle of offensive and mendicant bias. Plenty of similarities. In the legendary ending Despondent pyre seems to be tasked with studying the endless and containing them and offensive bias being deployed to assist her efforts does confirm that his actions align with the chiefs 'To keep the endless contained' Offensive Bias is very like active on zeta halo.
Just watched this in game... feel like atriox did travel through time. Afterall, chief was gone for 3 days in the final mission. I think the "key" mentioned is really a way to manipulate time. Would also make sense why they said "time is not a construct we can control." Im assuming he went back in time to awaken the endless... there is so many references to this, i feel like it has to be the meaning behind all of this
Just a theory, but you can tell that when the weapon is telling master chief that the signal she is tracking off of harbinger is really old, the signal could just be because she’s communicating with atriox through the past which is why it’s considered “old” it acts as a barren signal.
This is such a prelude to the primordial ugh 😩 this is so good and how the flood are both immortal beings and how their species as a whole are making a return
@@darthball2723 yeah I'm so hyped and the only question that lingers for me is how will the story go? Dlc story or a new game? That's the only thing that's goes through my mind right now
I'm kinda frustrated that they used zeta halo to introduce a new enemy instead of using the flood. Its zeta halo. It's synonymous with humans and the flood.
Especially when the endless are compared or mentioned alongside the flood throughout the game. Kinda felt that they were gonna present them hand in hand but nope. Honestly felt a bit of a slap to the face for them to actively talk about the flood being on the ring and not have them actually present in the game.
@@simonbirch8689 they'll almost definitely be in either the next story add on or the one after the harbinger even lifts quotes directly from the grave mind during it "I will talk and you will listen" etc plus in the ending cutscene there is a green glow around the cylixes
@@simonbirch8689 I actually like that the flood wasn’t included, it’s good they talked about it hand in hand with the endless but they might drop more in the future, I wouldn’t doubt it
This is another definition that came up for “Harbinger” on my search engine: One who or that which precedes and gives notice of the coming of some other person or thing; a forerunner; a precursor.
The Grand Edict mentions to maintain “their truth.” What if…what if the Endless were an alternate solution? They were beings capable of fighting the flood. And if word got out-if people knew-then the Forerunner’s legacy would’ve been that of fools.
I feel like there’s a connection between the 2 times Chief used the teleported and what Weapon said after, as well as the endless and their implied control of time. They cannot be killed by rings, so they don’t exist in the physical world. It’s safe to assume they’re AI then. Weapon mentions a data cluster the first time they teleport, implying the teleportation system works digitally. To top it off, the second time they teleport, it apparently happened over 3-4 days. Time was skipped somehow
I agree. I think atriox allied with the harbinger in an attempt to find out how or what controls times. That would allow him to become an unstoppable force.
A lot of people say that the Harbinger is one of the endless. Her cylix is in your base at the very beginning, and it’s not the same as the endless. Her disdain and cryptic quotes on injustice might point to the forerunners punishment of the precursors, even another disciple of the precursors who would contend with their claim to the mantle of responsibility.
@@johnholland5419 fair point, I thought maybe she meant it in the sense of the elites technically being covenant’s people. Because it seems like skimmers are anatomically related to her, and what’s the big mystery and surprise of it all if they are just more of her.
Honestly got the feeling in the audio log where the Harbingers states soemthing like "you don't even know what "containment" means" (underneath one of the comm beacons I believe)
They constantly say that this ring is different than the others. And the fact that the weapon (aka new Cortana) and chief traveled three days into the future then we have reason to believe the ring has some kind of time bending/ time traveling effect. I believe that Atriox was sent back in time and he was there almost 100,000 years ago. Also: Despondent Pyre says that time isn’t something they can control, maybe that means they were trying to but their time jumps were at random. That would explain why atriox would have randomly been sent back.
It is possible the endless are the precursors reborn and the forerunners stopped them because they knew it was them and put them in containment to keep the mantle
If by containment you mean indexing their species, it takes place after the firing of the Halo Array, by when forerunners had already given up on the mantle.
This is supported a little by the audio logs you get from scanning the Artifacts. The monitor admits that the forerunners greatest fear was losing their power.
Weapon does say “The signal is old. Very old”, which could mean the communication was happening across time, where the receiver is some time in the past.
One thing you left out is that at the end of infinite, the weapon mentions that you both had been gone for several days since you went in to fight the harbinger even though it had only felt like minutes. I wonder if that has to do with the time manipulation that you mentioned as well.
Yeah. If the Forerunners cannot control time, how did that portal send him into the future? That could imply the Endless did it. There’s a lot more here and I wonder if Atriox and the Harbinger may not even know the true power of the Endless.
@@MrMac1138 the only form of time control Forerunners seemed to master (that we know of) is small pockets where people within can be advanced millions of years ahead of the time of the rest of the nearby area or frozen in a single moment (such as the Primordial's prison)
All I know is that these endless, whatever they are, truly have to be above and beyond dangerous to make THE FLOOD seem trivial. What could be worse than an indestructible, hyper-intelligent, intergalactic contagion?
@@ronkerdonker3226 No. Jackal snipers that constantly reproduce by mitosis. Kill on, two replace them. Oh and the rifles are part of them. The ultimate bio weapon.
i think its possible the harbinger is actually the race of the precursors along with the endless. it makes sense because as she said that was her sole purpose to bring them back also during her boss fight and cutscenes she literally teleports. maybe that was actually her using her time manipulation to get the upperhand. its also possible that only one of her race is not able to do vast jumps in time without preparation so sort of like the flood the more they number the more fierce they become. all just speculation though and what i was thinking through the game
"the signal is old, really old" maybe it s a sort of confirmation that Atriox went back in time ? Maybe when Cortana "killed" him, she actually sent him in the past ?
It really seems like time travel is being introduced into the Halo universe. Im pretty confident Atriox and the key he had were sent back in time by the Harbinger, also once you see the end credit scene along with the date it makes sense that the Harbinger was talking to Atriox while he was in the past awakening the Endless. I imagine the next game will have some time travel shenanigans, if it does I just hope 343 do the story right and doesn’t do some muddled and crazy time travel plot.
i think atriox's real motivation is to save his homeworld from cortana plus time travel can allow halo 5 to be retconned maybe banished may attack unsc during halo 5 before cortana went banana
Any time that time travel is involved it will get messy. It's so hard to keep anything straight when you're mucking about with time... Cause after all time is not a line it is a circle. That is why clocks are round! MJ Caboose.
Why would there be time travel though? The Harbinger of Truth literally said, "I'm sorry it took so long", which indicates that they have been waiting. If this was a case of time travel then that means the Endless wouldn't have to wait that long after being imprisoned so your deduction/theory doesn't line up. This also implies that the audio is a past voicing over the scene that is in the present, which means no time travel. However, Time Manipulation is a different concept than time travel, as it's not necessarily going back in time but changing time if that makes sense.
Slip space can deposit you anywhere in time and space if containment is breached humanity's slipspace is almost in capable of this but it still will desist you anywhere at the intended point weeks later,the covenants slipspace engine is more presice, in it would deposit you days instead of weeks and forerunner slipspace drives, a matter of hours or minutes, precursors transcended the need for slipspace as they are implied to have a dragon age elder elven highway (just look in the dragon age wiki under the inquisition dlc trespasser for better context) , that would seem to take hours or days but would be instantaneous.
@@unscinfinity3337 The reason why I don’t like the time travel plot is because there’s to many plot holes. Because you could so why didn’t Atriox just go back at the beginning of The Covenant and warn his fellow brutes or even kill the prophets. Even worse you could even take it as far as bring old characters back from the dead.
Whatever the 'Endless' are, 'time' seems to be an ability that they can manipulate and exist outside of. If they can not be killed by Halo's pulse then perhaps it is because of this ability. Perhaps what Cortana and Atriox were after was the same thing the Forerunners were trying to learn from the Endless, the power to control and move though time - so that they may change the past.
I couldve sworn it said the time was from like 100K BC, and if you look at Atriox's hand, its not robotic, its his flesh and blood. What I thought when I saw the legendary ending was Atriox was a clone or like Master Chief being the culmination of 1000s of years of prediction by the Librarian but to the "Endless" or what I assume they are, the precorsors, but Ill settle for clone, since for some reason, he knew about the endless ones when nobody did, like Cortana said, there are worse things than the flood in Zeta Halo, so how did Atriox knew? How did he know to let out the Harbinger and made sure the Banished listened to her? I still think Atriox is dead, which makes sense, he "killed" Master Chief, so Cortana kills him. TLDR: I still think Atriox is dead and the Brute we saw was the one we saw in nearly 100 000 BC is the original Atriox while our dead one was a clone.
@@raybesgaming9686 Could be he cryoslept for those few milenia, still wonder how he knew about the Harbinger and the Endless when literally nobody knew about it in the game besides Cortana and the monitor of Zeta Halo
If the endless can control time, then Atriox may want their help to bring his home planet back. it also makes sense why the forerunners would want them imprisoned. if they control time, then anything that threatens them, such as firing the rings; they would simply nullify it. they may already employ it to prevent the flood from taking their home but that would obviously be much more limited in scope than the galaxy wide action of firing the rings.
The harbinger was talking to someone saying you have what you need sorry it took so long tell them I’m sorry” and it was to someone very very old from a long time ago I think this may be mendicant and we get a mendicant/atriox vs chief/offensive
@@derek4666 Offensive bias is alive but he's scattered on so many locations, he was on high charity, he was on the ark, whos to say he wasn't on zeta halo, in a cutscene the Grand edict, says " offensive bias is deployed to help you " in the subtitles he's talking the the monitor of zeta halo, the weapon even says "somethings pushing back" which is the same thing that cortana said when she interacted with offensive in halo 2
I remember beating the game on Heroic on day 1 and not understanding the scene and then a few days later beating it on Legendary and still not understanding it with audio
Can I just state the endless can’t be precursors due to them being wiped out before the flood came into existence the campaign had me thinking the endless one was the primordial at first. However it is a good theory until you get into the eu
you really think forerunners could wipe out multi universe travelling species bruh that too millions of years before they were at the level of technology at forerunner flood war
Not all precursors were killed. A lot of them went into Stasis Sleep, others were turned to dust (now the flood) and I’m assuming some of them were victims of the Forerunners scientific antics.
I hope you realize that the Precursors are basically Tier 4 civilizations on the Kardeshev scale... A civilization that spans over several galaxies or perhaps as far as galaxy cluster(s). They may have been mostly wiped out in the Milky Way galaxy but in no way as a whole wiped out... In fact, even the Forerunners are still alive, the remaining just left the galaxy if I remember correctly before or after the Halo rings fired.
The precursors couldn’t really die. They turn into a dust that is supposed to recreate them. However the dust got corrupted and they turned into the flood. It’s highly possible the precursors who still had some sanity went to the forerunners to help with the corruption so the forerunners imprisoned them so the truth of how the forerunners got the mantle of responsibility would be revealed
It was a great game, but there are massive plot holes like what happened to Spartan Locke and captain lasky? We’re the banished aware of the palace of pain? I just wish we got more answers rather than just more questions
Yeah this is the worst part. I am sorely disappointed that they decided to cater for newer players more than older ones, because the older players now are sitting here after ending on Halo 5 like "that's it? I learn about Cortana through memories? Sick "
It's said in a audio log that Locke is on a mission as part of another campaign, Lasky is alive but most likely is on Zeta Halo and we have to find him in the next game
I’m surprised you left out the part when chief goes through the portal and says, “where are we?” Then Cortana responds, “I think a better question is when are we?” Plus those ancient rings look like time portals. Idk just seems pretty obvious that time travel is the secret of that halo
@@stevenjacobo7853 that’s exactly what I’ve been thinking that it’ll progress and he’ll use this time manipulation to go back and save her before she turns etc
Cortana had access to the domain Precursors created the domain and meant to pass it to humanity Forerunners stole the domain Cortana knew about the endless to Despondant Pyre's dismay because of the domain and the precursor's knowledge being passed down to her. The best theory is that the endless ARE the precursors. The primordial, a precursor, essentially mutated into the flood but that doesn't mean they all did. If anything it reinforces that precursors cannot be killed just like the endless and Grand Edict says. Honestly all of these names are just over the top. Halo Infinite, Infinity, Eternity (Infinity's sister ship that will probably come in down the line), Forerunners, Precursors, Endless, Primordial, etc
This theory doesn’t work for many reasons, the precursors were essentially eradicated by the forerunner eons before, the monitor clearly states that they believe that the forerunners are there to help, the precursors would know for a fact that they are not there to help since they’ve been hunted by the forerunners before. Lastly while the domain is a precursor construct, and the halos firing heavily damaged it, and nearly destroyed it, it is not immune to the effects of the halo like the endless are suggested to be.
@@shugo5130 Think about it, this was talking about the time the ring was fired. a few thousand years actually Whos to say the Precursors (not a species name it's a title) so the xayalnyn could be the precursors before mutation
@@weybye91 the precursors turned themselves into a dust when the forerunners began their genocide, they did so in hopes of reforming at a later time. During which, it became corrupted and turned into the Flood.
The AI sayin the signal is “old” thats shes trying to trace also leads to the idea that atriox actually did travel back to that time on screen especially with finding out that chief teleported ahead three days.
Can you imagine the flood infecting beings with time warping abilities? Assuming the endless aren't precursor related. If they are, the truth could be that they like the flood are precursors and these endless are simply an alternative form the precursors took instead of grinding themselves into dust to spite the galaxy of life.
I am the only one who sees the similarity between the history of the forerruner and humanity? Born of the stars he was like the master chief, the hero of his people an example made a friendship with an enemy (chacas and the inquisitor respectively) both civilizations created powerful IAs both turned against him and created a clone to stop them I am fascinated by the similarity that exists
No Arbiter, No Spirit of Fire, no other spartan 2 contact, no Halsey plot explaining, just banished bullshit with a little bit of explaining how we fixed the Cortana problem from memories. At least the game was beautiful, but the writers need to stop pushing the envelope
Honestly why did you expect any of that stuff we went into this knowing it was a soft reboot. All those characters and plots can easily be introduced when they are ready this game had to tell a great self contained story and it did a great job of that
" doesn't it scare you that the forerunners locked something away and threw away the key? " and yet in that scene Atriox has the key to release them, and the voice say that they cannot be allowed to control the construct of time, and this harbinger is not locked inside one of these tablet looking things so, its possible that she send him back in time before the key got lost or destroyed. I do think that there is some sense in that The Endless was supposed to receive the mantle but the Forerunners got angry and maybe a bit jelly. And since Offensive Bias was deployed around the flood wars its possible that they sought help or shelter with the forerunners, even if they were not a target for the flood, and didnt know it. Thanks for a awesome video, i look forward to the next game.
The endless are immortal. And the halo rings are a massive reverse time lock. The rings rapidly age all sentient life a billion years in 1 second. The endless do not age therefore the rings have no affect on them.
What if the endless are just regular dudes that are only immune to the halos. Like they were just chillin one day watching “house” and then the forerunner fired the halo and got salty because the endless didn’t die and we’re still just chillin watching a TV
I didn’t think they could fire all the rings after destroying the Arc in Halo 3. And each ring only has a certain distance. This is all getting too confusing.
So when the weapon says the signal is really old it means that she is talking to the past (to Atriox probably) giving him the location and the key to where the Endless ones are stored that why the cutscene says its in the past (because maybe the explosion that Cortana caused destroyed that part where the endless ones where kept, that's why they went to the past to restore them)
So did anyone else find it weird that the master Chief is literally floating around in space for what they literally say is six months with no food or water yet somehow still maintains his mass
The precursors are the only one that can manipulate time in the original lore, that’s why the didact used the stasis chamber built by the precursors to age the primordial and kill him
Besides their ability to manipulate time, the Endless cannot be killed by the Halos. If the Flood ever infect them, it's Game Over. That's what makes them so dangerous. Morevoer, I think "The Truth" Harbinger and Grand Edict both refer to is history itself; imprisoning the Endless prevents them from manipulating history, preserving the Forerunner's prominence.
@TheSovietOnion l Then there's obviously some discrepancy. As living, breathing creatures, I'd think the Endless would have a nervous system -- unless it's revealed they're some some of technological organisms, eg grey goo that has taken an animal-like form.
Atriox didn’t go back in time. In the memory conversations between Cortana and Atriox, Atriox talks about “crushing the Master Chief’s skull and throwing him into the void” which indicate the conversation took place after the infinity was destroyed
