343 Industries and the overuse of Spartans in the Halo franchise. Halo 5 and Halo Infinite Become an EBR Channel Member: / @ebr8308 Follow me on twitter: / ebr_halo #Halo #HaloInfinite #343Industries
Like, Subscribe and Ring that Bell SPARTANS..... and let me know what Non-Spartan Halo Campaigns and Multiplayer Events you would like to see made in the future!
Personally, I'd love to see a halo tv show focused around ODST or marines, and how they're all just inevitably churned up by the cogs and gears of war with the covenant. consistant art style choices are a must for me
Something related to ODSTs would be awesome to see again, something like a campaign dlc or a game mode. I would also like to see another game dedicated to elites preferably during the covenant war
One thing that I've wanted was a story set during the forerunner-flood war. Imagine seeing keyminds and entire planets covered by the flood first hand. Maybe you can even play as Bornstellar and you personally get to activate the halo array at the end of the game. Just imagine how cool that would be.
Have you read TFoR, Ghosts of Onyx or First Strike? Do you know how ruthless Nylund was with killing off Spartan-IIs and IIIs? And it's because of Bungie. The IIIs were far more expendable than the IVs ever have been.
@@projectr9999 I think the key difference there is that the 3s are actually gone whereas they’re making many more Spartan 4s. There were also way less 3s to start off with, right?
@@thebigyes8482 Gamma Company 3’s are still kicking, with potential Delta’s being turned into 4’s. S-III officially has 900 total. 300 each company official, with Gamma having more.
But it makes sense. There's still threats out there. Why not make more? Like saying "why complete the construction of the Infinity?" Why not? Who knows what's out there. They already got the Flood, and remnants of the Covenant, and Innies coming back too. What Halo 5 should have done was shown the difference between the 2 gens. They attempted at it in 4.
@@thebigyes8482 there was 900 III’s and now there’s around 200 of them left. Hell, these days both the III’s and IV’s numbers are about the same, with IV’s gaining more numbers because they’re the newest and current class atm
@@TheBlueMan117 you can do both. Have one dev company(343) work on Infinite DLC/content while having others work on Halo games not involving the chief like what Certain Affinity doing now. Hell, they really need to ramp up their gaming production in general and hire more people for it(preferably full time and not just one and done contractors)
Im i reply to this cause higher chance of being noticed lol. I was just think how cool a halo game centred around marines would be but your not a badass marine you vulnerable to everything make wrong move you die. But the interesting part i was think was when you die, you don’t respawn in the tradition way, but the camera shift from the dead marine that you were playing to the closest living marine to you. Until and the process repeats until inevitably your entire unit or battalion ether die’s or succeeds. If you succeed your sent to help evacuate civilians before being evacd your shelf. If everyone dies the region is lost to the covenant and the camera shift to a different location with a new unit or battalion. Cycle repeats and to add a little bit of badass fun you could throw in a rare chance that the camera will shift you into a spartan unit or odst squad.
@@australianguy2788 like halo 2 legendary with a slice of battlefield 1 campaign lmao... but seriously that's such a cool idea man, shame we will probably never get to see it realized
Wasn't there a Halo that said "you are the last of your kind, bred for combat, built for war"? Now there are Spartans left and right. I did like Chief's clear respect for the fallen Spartans in Infinite however.
Halo Combat Evolved And yes, that was in the manual of the OG game manual for the OG Xbox. The very first game. Mind you, that was information for the plebs who didn’t read *Fall of Reach* and also the following novelization of CE in *The Flood*
Effectively, you were still treated as the last spartan in-game, even in post-book continuity like in Halo 2 (one of most prominent music tracks is literally titled "The Last Spartan"). Other Spartans were never properly introduced in game and were conveniently unavailable for all the major fights, so their antics were largely contained in the books. Marines and ODST's were there to provide a much needed contrast to the Spartan power fantasy. They were the "humanizing" aspect of the UNSC, vulnerable yet scrappy, and unfortunately largely written out by the time 343 takes over.
Especially Spartan 2s. There were like 33 originally. But now they pop up everywhere. Spartan IIIs like in Reach are a good idea, because they are also raised from childhood, this time they are war orphans rather than kidnapped kids. But it's still a long and arduous task to create them and they're generally used for suicide missions. Spartan 4s take away all the interesting aspects of the previous Spartans. It's just too easy...
@@sirrivle1635 you guys are still on about that? That’s been removed for years after the fiasco occurred and it wasn’t even a thing in the original battlefront 2.
Here's an intersting parallel: in the game booklets and back cover of HCE/2/3, S-117 was described as the last Spartan. Around that time, Doctor Who came back with a similar idea, the Doctor being the last Timelord. I love other Spartan characters, but there's something unique about S-117 being the last human super-soldier after 25 years of war. It truely made him the last hope of humanity. You probably noticed that I called him S-117 and not John. This is because he's only named once in the Bungie games: by Cortana at the end of H3, which made this moment much more impactful than in any 343 game. The overuse of Spartans also came at the cost of focus on aliens. 343 never let us play Elites or Brutes, and never gave them story spotlight. It's a very bad decision, sci-fi is at its best when it doesn't just focus on humans.
Yeah. It is good they kept some of the spartan 2s like red and blue teams alive, but having most of humanity’s best makes you see just how much the odds are against them
@@KiddRyzeDaGawd well technically his name was revealed in the Fall of Reach book which came out before the first games release, but yeah it is funny that in the games his name isn’t revealed till the third game, for it to be pretty generic.
I would argue Halo is far more of an environment-driven story rather than a character-driven one Great video that brings up a definite problem Halo is currently facing
@@spectralassassin6030 Exactly, that's why discarding such a rich lore and saying that Halo is "just a videogame" is insane. Seriously, wtf were they thinking.
You know what would actually be a really cool premise for a Halo game? A campy spinoff where you play as space pirates. You’d have a group of individuals that would make up of Insurrectionists, Jackals, and possibly other alien species that would delve into piracy. Think Guardians of the Galaxy but actually funny and within the Halo universe. This is Halo: Pimps In Space
I'll admit the Arbiter levels in H2 were my least favorite (I'd expected to be fighting UNSC). But I know people who would play Elites over Spartans, and 343i not making them playable is inexcusable.
@@Marinealver I didn’t mind it, it isn’t nearly as fun to fight hitscan weapons (or weapons that are completely indistinguishable from hitscan when wielded by AI) all the time. It would just play like a CoD campaign where you’re just popping in and out of cover.
Halo is also a story about humanity. How they push themselves, how far they’ve come and their fight for survival against all odds. And it shows why we have become the dominant species of our planet.
And I think this is why they had the main character be a faceless 'machine'. It was to show us that even the "demon" at the end of the day, is just another human.
@@V-man117 Excuse really doesn't make sense given that the elites are a warrior race that feared/respected Spartans so more than anything they'd want to participate in war games with Spartans in training to prepare them for fighting elites.
A Halo game without Spartans these days would be like a piece of Star Wars media under Disney not having a lightsaber. Everytime it gets close to being halfway original or unique in that regard, they throw one in haphazardly. Or make it somehow in some way tie back towards the Skywalkers even if it makes no sense logically. Worse, it's getting to the point that the lightsabers got to in the prequels (I like em but that doesn't invalidate this fact) where lightsabers on their own aren't as interesting or exciting. They became so commonplace that as soon as you saw a Jedi you knew acrobatics and stunts were the only things to look forward to. What did they do to resolve this? Gimmicks. Oh this one is double ended like a staff, oh this person has akimbo sabers, oh this person has two mini blades poking out the side, oh this one can fly, oh this one is actually a scorpion tail, oh this one bakes cakes, etc. Sounds like what 343 is starting to do with Spartans by having one invaded by a Banished AI, or having Rogue Spartans as enemies (calling it for either an Infinite season or a plot point in the show). But none of these gimmicks improve the issue of making the core less boring. They simply delay it.
Dang, you explained that perfectly. I’ve had issue with the “Marvel-ization” of Star Wars. Everything always comes back to things you recognize. Makes the universe feel so small when the same few characters keep showing up, everyone knows everybody it seems. Darthmaul is directly responsible for Han Solos origin story? Give me a break! I know why they do it of course, it’s a result to set up new spin offs and more products, in hopes of infinite consumption. Telling a compelling story is of secondary importance to them.
It is like why I could not be bothered to be interested in anything Marvel does anymore. Every single movie and show needs to end with some epic CGI fight scene. I loved Black Panther until everyone refused to talk it out which seemed like a practical solution (plus the CGI was garbage at the end). I have heard people essentially say the same about Wanda-Vision. I liked Infinity War because the movie had end-of-movie level fights though out, then it ended on a somber whimper than a cliche bang.
@@alexanderrobins7497 I checked out of Marvel movies after Civil War. It made some steps towards the world building that the other movies wiped their ass with, but it was too little too late. And I was just tired of going through the motion of seeing a neat trailer, looking forward to eventually renting the DVD, hearing the glowing praise in the first 4 weeks it's in theaters, finally watching it, thinking it's okay at best, seeing the teaser for the next movie, then repeat this process 1 month later. Never saw the first doctor strange or Thor 3 and have no desire to. Got dragged into seeing each Spiderman and guardians, and eventually decided I'd give infinity War a go. They were alright but I checked out again with Ant Man 2 and Captain Marvel because they looked like what Arkham origins was to Knight. Cheap filler to keep the hype train going for the real finale. Endgame sucked and was the moment I decided I saw enough Marvel to satisfy for a lifetime. It's an exhausting cycle that will never die because people want something to distract themselves and justify buying popcorn.
For me, it's more than just the lightsabers. It's what they represent, the entire Jedi-Sith conflict as a whole. Star Wars has focused on the Jedi-Sith conflict since the beginning. While I recognize that it's an important part of its identity, I also think it's a shame since it's literally an entire galaxy full of things going on, yet nearly major piece of Star Wars media has revolved around "jedi fight sith" The renewed focus on other aspects, like Bounty Hunters (Mandalorian/Boba Fett), is refreshing. But man, I really want to see more out of Star Wars than space wizards twirling around glowing laser sticks.
@@ndx6779 Light sabers have lost a bit of their magic. It feels like everyone and their grandmother has one in the Star Wars universe. I like how Mr. Plinket (redlettermedia) says it in the Star Wars prequels review; "the emperor referred to the lightsaber as a *jedi weapon*, Darth Vader used one because he used to be a jedi. I thought the Emperor was so powerful he could just kill you, he didn't need a choreographed lightsaber battle" (something along those lines, i cant remember the quote word for word). But now any and every Sith HAS to have a lightsaber for some reason. Even the inquisitors who aren't "sith"(trademarked). So you're telling me Palpatine just mass produces red lightsabers for all these inquisitor dudes and dude-ets? And with the amount of times these Inquisitors show up and start whipping out the red glowstick to intimidate a random person to tell them about more jedi's, You'd think even In universe people would think it's a pretty common occurrence. I guess thats the overlapping issue caused by the short timeframe between the prequels and Original trilogy, there's just not enough time for the Galaxy to "forget" what happened in the clone wars. I like some things that the prequels brought to the table, but a lot of that part of the star wars Universe, just steps all over the mystery and things better left to the imagination. Remember kids, _Too much of a good thing..._
Ever since I played the RE2 remake I've been thinking how great a halo game done in that style would be. You could be an ODST or a marine, or any other normal human trying to survive in a flood outbreak. It could take place during the outbreak on Voi, or on the Ark during halo 3 or halo wars 2.
I still remember playing CE Anniversary at launch and how mysterious it was to have been near another unseen spartan (Linda at the Pillar of Autumn). Today's Halo is just unrecognizable.
@@glazpeekedjfk9039 is you're saying halo is unrecognizable cause of too many spartans like the guy was then bungie literally started that. Also reach was good enough a lot of the new mechanics sucked and the map selection blew too
@@DigiNiverg and btw noble team won't affect the actual number of all the Spartans because when they all died master chief felt even more special than before so I honestly don't get your point he still is The Sparten
Two stories I've always wanted: 1. A story based on Sergeant Johnson. His story and perspective is the one we got the least of in Halo 2 and I'd love to see how he fared on Delta Halo against Flood and Covenant without Master Chief having his back. 2. An I Love Bees follow up. A ton of very interesting characters were introduced that would make a great team supporting Janissary James. Time has passed, the entire crew is older and have gone through trauma through an Earth invasion, and the universe has changed drastically, so their perspectives could be very interesting, even if it was nothing but Earth events and gameplay. I guess both those characters are Spartan by technicality alone, but they've gone through that narrative and those arcs already, so there's more to explore.
4:30 you know just as well as anyone 343 wouldn't be able to come even remotely close to doing this justice. Bungie didn't even attempt it. Btw MCC Halo 2 has a rebalance mod that adds a lot of cool encounters including hostile marines as the Arbiter. It's probably the best and closest you'll get to it. It felt so good using an energy sword and cloaking to stalk a squad of marines after they just barely survived the flood. You have to pick them off one by one and really use that cloak since their weapons are hitscan. Unfortunately the mod is currently not updated.
While I do agree that Halo is not a SPARTAN story, it would be silly to assume that the SPARTANs would not be numerous to a degree. Sure, you could go down the route of having Halsey, for example, killed by an insurrectionist and Chief is one of the few - if not the only - SPARTAN to exist, but SPARTANs should not be super heroes. Super soldiers, sure, but not heroes. Having several dozen SPARTANs who can't be replaced and future iterations of SPARTANs who dont stack to the original but try to makes sense within the lore because a competent military will always continue to advance something that makes sense for them rather than stop because it's "getting old." Yes, broadening Halo's on-screen scope would be incredibly beneficial, but of all the character types within the universe, the SPARTAN will always be the story to be told that can be extreme in it's lengths. The other types have unique perspectives as well, ones that are criminally underutilized by the on-screen media, but SPARTANs should never be premanently shelved or strayed away from for too long
Yeah, exactly. it's a bit narrow minded to expect the UNSC not to advance at all following the end of a war they've been fighting for decades now. Of course they're going to push themselves forward now that their resources are freed up. Better to be prepared for future enemies coming out of nowhere than to be like "Well now that we've beaten the Covenant we no longer need to make Spartans, especially since the guy who won the war for us is dead." It's a silly complaint. I definitely think that ODSTs and sangheili should be getting more focus too, but I know for a fact the Halo fanbase would throw a fit if the main story focus was moved away from Spartans for any extended period of time.
Great video. I've always had this lingering gripe on 343's main title Halo games covering the Spartans only. Halo could've expanded their gameplay with other playable races. Heck with Brutes being so popular in Halo wars 2 and Infinite they could make Brutes a playable race in Halo Infinite as well as Elites. A side note here is that i remember seeing a promotional screenshot of Halo 5's multiplayer seeing a Spartan head on the left and an Elite's face on the right side. It seemed like they were planning on adding playable Elites to 5, but decided to scrap it early on. 😒
I don't get why people want humans and Elites to be friends so much. Kinda ruins the Elites. They sucked a lot since Halo 3. They're better as enemies or very reluctant allies. But not as friends. Humans should be very hostile towards them given what happened.
I’ve been saying this for a while, the amount of “Spartan” is ridiculous. Spartan armory, Spartan ops, Spartan Spartan Spartan, it has lost its meaning and instead of being a symbol of something higher, like perseverance, hope, or strength, has become a thing in itself, a reification
These are 2 games I wanna see in the future. 1: A Brute Campaign that shows the rise of the Banished during the time of the OGT. 2: A Forerunner Construct Campaign where you play as a Promethean Soldier that needs to contain the Flood. (With a Forerunner Artstyle similar to that made by Wernissage)
@@kenmesoturnt4415 imagine if when you first fight hunters, a spartan arrives, kills a hunter, then gets ripped in half by the other hunter, leaving you barely enough time to run away.
playing as a marine as you suggested would be pretty cool basically having a boss fight when you come up against an elite on your own and it would be awesome coordinating with your friends to take tanks down or drive a warthog with a full crew
My wishlist for Halo stories: Elite civil war with Arby ODST 2.0, just more ODST with stealth (Also a BR with ODSTs because I think it works better) Flood campaign-esque Co-op based stories like a mode where you NEED friends to play as an ODST squad
I remember playing CE, and I loved how when you regroup with the groups of marines, they fought with you against the covenant. I tried so hard to keep majority of them from dying. Now it just Feels empty for the most part. It wasn’t Spartans vs the enemies. It was Humanity vs the enemy.
I’ve always wanted to see what ancient sangheilios was like, How the ancient elites lived and fought each other before the prophets came to their planet. Maybe a third person melee fighting game playing as a renowned elite warrior who fights other elites, varying in class and phenotype. I’ve always been fascinated with the more unknown parts of the halo universe, ancient sangheilios specifically. We have a basic understanding of how it was but there’s so many opportunities to be creative in that time period, with new ideas for ancient weapons, culture, wildlife, and so on. The halo universe is a basis for a plethora of different genres and I’m honestly tired of just first person shooter spartan games. Remember when they innovated with halo wars? It brought halo to the RTS genre. Why can’t they do that with any other genre? I’ve never seen an IP that has so much potential but nothing is being done to innovate in the slightest. Even when they brought halo infinite to a more open world, it wasn’t any different from a far cry game. The sad part is Microsoft owns all the rights to halo… so we’re not getting anything creative. Be prepared for the extremely slow and painful death of halo. Hell, it’s death began with halo 4.
It would be so cool (as long as its executed properly... which I doubt 343 can do) to see a whole game dedicated to playing as an Elite, a Brute or hell even a grunt. Maybe fighting in a war before the Covenant came across humanity.
The problem would be making fighting humans fun. They don’t have different classes or ranks that player differently like the Covenant so fighting humans would be very boring. Marines are all the same character model and they can use all the same weapons with the same behaviors. The Covenant had the benefit of having different races that had different animations and behaviors to make them fun to fight.
This is a problem I’ve had for a very long time now, but never actually knew I had it until you said something. Sadly, I’ve just kind of been done with 343’s Halo games and shows. They just don’t understand what made Bungie’s Halo games so great.
Everyone can agree S4s introduction basically cheapened the concept of Spartans. Spartans were meant to be legendary, powerful, inspirational, myths. S4s ruined that cos if everyone was special, no one was special.
When you first mentioned having an Elite campaign and possible plot points of fighting humans, fighting on High Charity, and landing on Delta Halo, I got excited because I'm presently writing a fanfiction about that exact premise! I thought it would be cool to expand on the Covenant from the eyes of an Elite Minor not really sure why he's fighting, in a canon-friendly side story running concurrent with the events of Halo 2. There's so much going on in extended lore that was barely touched on in the games, like the Order 66-ish nature of the Schism and how the Elites immediately reacted, the Flood infestation of High Charity and the subsequent evacuation, the space battle around the ring, how 'Vadum took the Shadow of Intent, how Chips Dubbo got off Delta Halo (not being with Johnson's squad), and even what happened when Arbiter, Keyes, Johnson, and the remaining Marines when they returned to Earth before the events of Halo 3. AND THE BRUTES!!!! I've never once heard consideration for a Brute game, despite there being so many questions and possibilities for the species after Halo 3. What happened after the Ark conflict? Surely dozens, probably hundreds of Brute cruisers returned to Doisac to lay claim to the world and fill the power vacuum left by Tartarus's death, and surely many of those ships had human and Elite prisoners; was there a planet-wide Second Immolation? How did Lydus and his Children of Oth Sonin begin and later gain so much dominion? Doisac and its moons would make for amazing set pieces, with Doisac in particular having giant Kashyyyk-style trees and forests juxtaposed with volcanoes and lava fields, both environments never really seen in the existing games (unless you count that one Halo 4 mission). And, finally, with all that arboreal life, what would a Flood outbreak look like on Doisac? Just a few possibilities lol
Your last idea with the marines kinda reminded me of Raams Shadow dlc for gears 3 for some reason. I mean, you do play as special forces in that dlc but the locust are scary and new and are just killing people left and right as you try to evac the city
I would be very interested in a Halo game that would focus on the UNSC vs the Insurrection before the trilogy started, maybe the insurrection vs the covenant. Fighting humans for a change at opposed to fighting aliens (like you pointed out a covenant like story where you play as the elitesi fighting humans, Halo 2 missed opportunity of fighting humans btw.) Would be nice to reveal to those who haven't read the books and see that the UNSC isn't the clear cut good guys as they are seen in the OG games and aren't that great of a government. The UNSC about as comparable to Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union. Halo is a multi-media franchise at this point and can expand to other game genres like RTS's and maybe RPGs, maybe different style FPS's. Obviously having a game playing as elites can use the standard Halo formula for gameplay or shake it up somehow since playing as an elite and fighting humans wouldn't be much of a challenge or as interesting as fighting the covenant. Or they could make an RTS style game with it, or maybe a third person shooter. IDK I'm not a game dev or good critic when it comes to gameplay. Playing as a marine or and ODST IMO I believe should shake up the gameplay than what H3: ODST did where they just downsized the player and made them mini-spartans. A Halo Wars 3 would also be nice, since I loved Halo Wars 1 and 2. I think why spartans are so shoved in people's faces in this day and age is because they are usually seen as the, "Oh that's Halo." Type of thing from the corporations. The execs probably believe if they had Halo game didn't have spartans on it, it wouldn't sell or they just don't understand the property from the higher ups.. Such is the problem with corporate America.
There’s a unanimous consensus that there needs to be a couple of games set during the Interplanetary War and earlier Rainforest Wars. They set up the UNSC to be the way that it is, where the genesis for the UNSDF and the UNSCMC along with the first ODST’s. Dropping on Argyre Plantia, in a squad sized pod like in CoD:AW’s intro mission rather than a future 2400’s+ SOEIV single man pod would be awesome!
Also, a game set before the Human-Covenant War. Let us play and see some lore scenarios: then-Cpl. Johnson sniping that Insurrectionist leader with a Stanchion (complete with aim-through-building sequence), the nuclear terrorist bombings from those coward Innies, Operation Trebuchet...
Well said. A great Idea for the first mission of a Marine focused game could be similar to how BF1 started where you die and it switches to the perspective of another Marine and then another just to emphasize the bleakness of the war!
@@tyvernoverlord5363 I mean I’m trying to keep halo alive as the more and more negativity it receives will truly be the killing factor in halo. It’s a two way street as the community also kills halo with its lack of support for a struggling game. Those people push new players away instead of telling them the good about the game and that they will yes experience some downsides but just try to have fun in your own way.
Ngl I would love to see more content focusing on the pre covenant war between the humans that leads into the war. But another ODST game would be fire and I love your idea
How crazy or cool it would be to play as a Marine and then every time when your character dies instead of restarting you just get transferred into another marine's perspective so you're continuing the story however you're playing as a different Marine every time you die it'd be kind of cool if they did something like that
I know it's very unlikely because of a lot of the work it would need to be done (granted, this idea could be limited to a campaign and doesn't have to account for the whole sandbox), but i would really like a Brute Campaign, maybe even playing as Atriox, what better way to get to know the current main bad guy than being him for little while? Could be a nice way to bring a familiar but very different sandbox in Halo. For the Marine Halo game you talked about, i always got the idea an XCOM style game could be very fitting for that. I personally don't think a shooter would be very fitting unless it's a Tactical Shooter.
Dude this is an amazing video. This is my first video of yours I’ve watched, but you get this franchise and you voice opinions that are important to hear keep going man!
To build off your ODST idea, I think it should be a series of games, where in the first one you build up the odst squad relationship, then in the sequel kill off most of the teammates. Let the squads personality simmer for a few years. I feel Reach did the same squad building but didn't have enough time to do it.
the problem with doing that for Alpha-Nine specifically is the squad members died so rapidly that you would not be able to make an entire game out of it, but another squad would work.
Imagine a halo game where you play as the one elite who hunted master cheif in halo ce or imagine a odst during when new Mombasa was infected by the flood because your helmet would protect you from airborne spores that would be scary but fun
I remember how ODST felt to play, it made me feel vulnerable in a universe where I've always felt unstoppable. I want that feeling again, I want to play as a marine or an ODST again. Hell, maybe even a civilian trying to hide and escape, like alien isolation. Point is, there is so much more they can do with the Halo universe than Spartans that would expand our understanding of the effects of the war on the average soldier or person. You know, the things we were fighting for all that time ago. I feel its been forgotten along with the DNA of Halo.
In the original concept for the game, Master Chief was described simply as "one marine, more skilled than the others". The whole Spartan thing was just created to have the player character be unique and feed into the power fantasy. The story was always about the mystery of the rings and the covenant and how humanity dealt with that crisis.
They should also make a campaign where you get to play as the UNSC Army, Navy, and the Air Force My ideal campaign is to show the perspectives of all branches of the UNSC during the Fall or Reach, the Escape of Reach to Earth, The battle of New Mombasa, and the Ark.
The lore about the Jet Pack equipped “Drop Jet Platoons” doing the Starship Troopers thing of jumping into swarms of covies and just getting right into the thick of it; has always made me want to play a halo game like that. Section 8 and the mobile SST games are a close 2nd.
Even if 343 utilizes these ideas, we can only hope they tastefully execute them. Like you mentioned, 343 seems to have forgotten that the UNSC have memorable personnel outside of the Spartans. Just to add to your ODST idea, how about a socom-like game, since ODSTs work in squads and helmets with detailed map info.
btw, starship troopers is satire, so styling a gritty odst game after it isn't the best choice but criticizing war and jingoism in the starship troopers style would make an interesting halo game
Remember when Chief was the last of his kind? Creating a sense of urgency for the player to keep him alive and was a really compelling side of the story because he was humanity's last hope? 343 ruined all that by having Spartans come back in the hundreds, maybe thousands.
I agree. I used to get excited when I hear the following: "Let's move spartan." "Oh, a spartan. We must not wait any time." "A spartan? We're saved." "I'm with you spartan." "Watch your fire, spartan." "I heard they were deploying Spartans." "So, you Spartans were abducted as children?" "A spartan and an ODST, not something I would imagine. I'm pretty sure we can make this work." (Some of these I made up.) But now when I hear stuff like that, I just feel like all the halo attention is being drawn to Spartans. Not to be a furry or some weird person but I really enjoyed playable elites, and I would use them all the time. I was very disappointed, to see them get removed because "Halo is a spartan game." 343 tried to make Spartans cooler, but instead they turned them into a joke. That's right, modern day Spartans are a JOKE!!! Also, some of the armor added in halo infinite feels too lore breaking and goofy. (Yori as an example.) Like instead of focusing on military designs we just get different style armors that real militaries will never use. I had the idea of having a spartan armor that was completely covenant tech, with a covenant design. I also had the idea of a spartan armor that was pretty much similar to design as the stealth bomber. (Anti radar detection.) But instead of getting those cool ideas, we got the goofy old-style armor. (WHO ADDS FUR TO AN ARMOR THAT WILL BE USED IN SPACE?!!!) Also I hate how many of the things changed in the 343 games now refer to the player as "Spartan." Instead of "Player." Like when I go to the customer browser on MCC it should say "Play with other players in custom made games." Instead we get, "Play with other Spartans in custom made games." In halo reach and the other bungie games, when I see a spartan I think, "I bet this person will change the tide of the war." In the 343 games, I think, "Bruh can we just get a story that doesn't focus on joke characters. Thats right, Spartans these days are nothing but jokes. Also it kind of breaks lore to have so many Spartans. Example: One spartan can take down an army. So if the UNSC had an army of Spartans, then the covenant cult thing would have been obliterated. So therefore, the war would be over. UNLESS: The covenant finds a way to make elite Spartans. That would be so goofy ah of 343 to add. I do not even consider any of 343s games cannon. Just like the Star Wars sequels. My idea of a halo sequel: UNSC is focusing on creating an alliance between the former covenant races. However a cult of former covenant soldiers being lead by an elite known as "Evo ,Makrin." does not want the alliance to form, so the UNSC and the arbiter try to defeat Evo by finding the master chief. The cult realizes what's going on and tries to stop them. (The other species remain neutral.) As a solution, the UNSC and Arbiters forces come together to build a powerful spaceship that uses both Covenant and UNSC tech to be the flag ship in the search of the master chief. The arbiter fights along side spartan June. The player gets to choose who to play as. Later on the master chief is found and the player is given the option to play as him. Then the master chief defeats Evo and at the very end the treaty is signed and there is galactic peace. (Im looking for a spot to add the flood.) I will also add DLC prequal campaigns. There will be no microtransactions or call of duty related stuff. Also there will be playable elites and brutes. All armor designs will have more military design like the reach armor. There will not be a grapeshot because then vehicles will be useless. Co op split screen will be there as well as file share. And there will be no seasons. And new mass warfare game modes and PVE game modes. There will also be cool skulls and new ones. But sadly we got the following: A spartan call of duty game with a story that everybody forgot. A terminator themed halo story with a 20 second fight scene and a call of duty multiplayer that does not even feel like halo. As well as an inappropriate designs for female Spartans. A halo exploration game that adds intense microtransactions and a multiverse halo where the only difference is there is a new style to the spartan armors. (You have to look at a lot of content to find out what's going on.)
One idea I have is for a survival horror game set off the concept of "the mona lisa" short story, Objective restart the power to aft sections of the station, find better and better gear to whipeout the hordes of flood forms, set station for self destruct under the cole protocol, and escape the station via one last evac bird. Optimally this game would fit between Dead Space and CoD Zombie mode(WaW,BO1) in terms of how the gameplay should feel and look. Halo 3s Orbital would be a good starting concept for a cod zombies type map.
Halo at its best, is a story about life, and preserving it. Seeing humanity in things that aren’t human, whether it be emotionally detached Spartans, Sangheli, or ai constructs. Halo is OUR story.
it would be cool if they made a halo wars type of game but it's ship to ship battles because let's face it it would be fairly awesome as in the books the unsc were always on their heels against the covenant
Even tho I liked Halo 4 and 5 (Infinite not so much), I agree with this video, Halo needs to move on and try other angles to keep itself fresh. ODSTs I consider to be the best to start with as we’ve already had a game about them before, then we could move on to the marines, and once we’ve been away from super soldiers for a while, bring the elites to the scene!
Imagine a game where you play as a squad of marines, where you can switch between playing them. Individually the marines are weak, and dies quickly without the backup of the rest of their team. If your entire squad dies, it's game over.
I agree that there needs to be more explanation of the other elements of the universe but that "spartan montage" bit comes off as a bit whiny lol. All of that basically builds off of the bungie era lore and I'd say Reach was the real start of the issue there in terms of games. Spartans are iconic so they're always going to be some level of focus.
I would love a game set during the Insurrection War with the Covenant showing up near the end with the UNSC and Marines deciding to team up and fight our common enemy
My pipedream would be a game focused on the forerunner flood wars. Not the Orange transformer forerunners but something along the lines of what we saw in halo legends.
Thank you so much for pointing this out, really wish 343 somehow takes note… But it’s truly one of the greatest tragedies and moments of wasted potential that 343 hasn’t been able to utilize the vastness of Halo’s lore and universe. They literally have potential on the level of LOTR and Star Wars, yet we haven’t even come close to reaching that. Bungie gave a taste of it with ODST and Reach, and we also got Halo Wars to back things up. But it’s still one of the worst cases of wasted potential in pop culture imo.
When halo 2 came out at in the day, the game was both praised and criticized because of the multiple stories being told at once. One was Chief's story, the second was the arbiter's story and the third was the flood and the Prophet of Truth's story. For me, and perhaps many others feel those decisions made the game very interesting and unique. And l thank halo 2 for getting me into fps shooters. I couldn't ask for a better game/childhood! 😊❤
Perfect intro. Alright, all I gotta say. Oh wait, there's more. I think I really want a halo infinite DLC where ODSTs and Swords of Sanghelios cooperate in a drop operation to help the chief as he gives them a drop zone. Just the thought of secondary characters in the Swords of Sanghelios like Scion, N'tho 'Sraom and Usze 'Taham... It would be so refreshing.
Great Video ! I Myself Would Love A Game Or DLC Focused Around The Elites. They’re My Favorite Subject From The Video-Games And Novels. Can’t Get Enough Of Their Lore So A Game That Centers Around Them; Especially Around The Time Of “The Great Schism”, Would Just Be Stupendous In My Opinion.
To be fair this is half the fans fault. Anything without the Master Chief front and center is vocally hated on, Halo 5 was bad but not because you played the majority of the campaign as someone else but the loud fans have scared 343 into pretty much making the Chief the face of literally every piece of Halo fiction (obviously barring some books) which is just disappointing.
This is painfully true. Halo 5 had a LOT of problems, and I'd argue that playing as Chief for only three missions was the least of them. Unfortunately, the most vocal fans would have you believe that Chief's presence in the game was the biggest issue.
@@ToxicBalloon360 I've genuinely seen comments claiming if the Chief isn't the protagonist it shouldn't be considered a proper Halo game.. like what? What a strange mindset
@@gabogaberiuxs that's also true I think it's both 343 and the loud fans fault, I feel like if they announced a new spin off right now that didn't feature the Chief there's be quite a bit of backlash from a certain part of the fanbase
I prefer 117 being the last spartan. I feel like it adds so much to the story and so many possibilities. I mean so many Spartans and only one survived. You could easily create a story about one of those lost Spartans after all I sure many would like to see the many scenarios in which the Spartan was lost to the Covenant. And while it is nice the at least one member of Noble team survives I feel like it takes away from the despair and brutal loss/defeat Reach was. By Halo CE humanity is really on it’s last legs. Humanity needs a win which would end up being the the events of that game. Think about that, nearly all of the Human forces on the Pillar of Autumn and the ring are lost, even the Captain and that event is seen as a huge victory (understandably so). It really makes it feel like the stakes are high. It’s so cool how the Pillar of Autumn is secretly sent to the ring by Cortana after the massive defeat at Reach. The Autumns crew were truly humanity’s final effort, last hope. And whilst Chief and Cortana were doing a lot of the caring the rest of the UNSC forces’ contributions on the ring cannot be ignored. Even if all they did was provide Chief with ordinance, a pelican, and distracted the Covenant.
Chief was never the last spartan though. The games portray it that way, but even dating back to Halo: The Fall of Reach (which was released before Halo CE), there are more Spartans than just Chief.
