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Building a Double Coax MagLoop Part 1, why part one well that's because I need to buy a Air spaced Capacitor or make one! So this upload is all about the making of the double loop. it is a simple job but you will need some spacers and a lot of time to get it right. there is NO set diameter for the loops I decided on 1M in diameter and ended up with 94cm but it still works so!!!
Parts:
6M of ridged Coax ( something like Andrew Heliax) 15mm
4 spacers (I printed these but you can use PVC Pipe)
Variable Air Capacitor to finish the job
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@pd9rd
@pd9rd 3 года назад
Another great and very interesting video Mike, Thank You! 73
@mike-M0MSN
@mike-M0MSN 3 года назад
Many thanks!
@gilbreathca
@gilbreathca 3 года назад
You Sir are the David Attenborough of ham radio! ha! Love the videos - keep up the good work homebrewing antennas!
@mike-M0MSN
@mike-M0MSN 3 года назад
Great praise indeed. Thank you 😊
@Scif64
@Scif64 3 года назад
Nice one Mike... I have been looking for something to be used in my apartment and mag loops seems like the only solution... nice bit of work there and looking forward to an update. 73's
@mike-M0MSN
@mike-M0MSN 3 года назад
Go for it.. :)
@jamesfoley2720
@jamesfoley2720 3 года назад
I have a few meters of some 7/8 in Andrews in the rafter of my garage. I may try this as well. Thanks for the inspiration.
@mike-M0MSN
@mike-M0MSN 3 года назад
Have fun!
@J1mbo888
@J1mbo888 3 года назад
Great work Mr Mike.
@mike-M0MSN
@mike-M0MSN 3 года назад
Cheers James
@dxscotland5901
@dxscotland5901 3 года назад
Great job mike,I used micro boar copper for my loop and you are right the variable caps are bloody expensive now
@mike-M0MSN
@mike-M0MSN 3 года назад
Yes they are
@markg6jvy135
@markg6jvy135 3 года назад
Nice build and video as always Mike 👍👏👏
@mike-M0MSN
@mike-M0MSN 3 года назад
Thanks 👍
@boxingday11
@boxingday11 3 года назад
Thanks Mike 👍🇬🇧❤️
@mike-M0MSN
@mike-M0MSN 3 года назад
👍
@joohop
@joohop 2 года назад
Nice Work Bless Up Fella
@ben2e0omr
@ben2e0omr 3 года назад
Mike, you make it look so simple. I just might try this one.
@mike-M0MSN
@mike-M0MSN 3 года назад
Thanks Ben.. :)
@ianxfs
@ianxfs 3 года назад
Another nice loop Mike. Very informative on build methods 👍🏻 Maybe nylon chopping board spacers for those without printers.
@mike-M0MSN
@mike-M0MSN 3 года назад
Good shout Ian, or plumbing pipe
@centralna.poczta4648
@centralna.poczta4648 3 года назад
Ciekawa, interesująca seria filmów. Pozdrowienia z Polski
@mike-M0MSN
@mike-M0MSN 3 года назад
Wielkie dzięki
@kellypaws
@kellypaws 3 года назад
Top work.
@mike-M0MSN
@mike-M0MSN 3 года назад
🤙
@davydacounsellor
@davydacounsellor Год назад
Brilliant
@TEGEscalator
@TEGEscalator 3 года назад
Greetings from Belgium 73 Albert. Vidéo very nice thanks. 👍👍
@mike-M0MSN
@mike-M0MSN 3 года назад
Thanks👍
@littlebear5219
@littlebear5219 3 года назад
That’s big $ coax amazing !!
@mike-M0MSN
@mike-M0MSN 3 года назад
Thanks!
@petervomfischland3568
@petervomfischland3568 3 года назад
Hi Mike, well done! It‘s another great video and it looks so simple! vy 73 de DK7- -
@mike-M0MSN
@mike-M0MSN 3 года назад
Many thanks!
@philippejoigny5928
@philippejoigny5928 3 года назад
Very well Mike, at next time on the air (F1PBT)
@timg5tm941
@timg5tm941 3 года назад
Great job! 73
@mike-M0MSN
@mike-M0MSN 3 года назад
Thanks Tim
@Keith_WB2VUO
@Keith_WB2VUO 8 месяцев назад
Mike: I built a 2-turn magnetic loop from CATV RG-11 here. My cap for 10 watts is a dual receiver 365/365 pf cap with the sections series connected. The loop covers 80/60/40 meters and is rectangular to fit in the family car for portable outings. It's102cm x 90 cm and the loop conductors are separated by 7 cm center to center. A fun project loosely based on your RU-vid videos! Lots of fun, and looking forward to some air time... de WB2VUO
@mike-M0MSN
@mike-M0MSN 8 месяцев назад
sounds good, have fun. :)
@chiphungerford
@chiphungerford 2 года назад
Mike, great looking antenna did you have a plan you were working from laying out the loop sizes and wiring layout. I am thinking of creating one to try in the attic. I would want to set one up for 80m-10m and maybe another for 2m & 70cm running barefoot out of a Yaesu Ft 991a (100w or less) I would be looking to do remote tuning as it would be in the attic and the shack is in the basement
@Pascal-F11DRE
@Pascal-F11DRE 3 месяца назад
Bravo tres belle réalisation 73's
@TomG2NV
@TomG2NV 3 года назад
Nice work as usual Mike! I'll be watching this build with particular interest as I've been considering a magloop build myself for some time and that large heliax seems the best stuff by far. I want mine to be able to handle respectable input power, Have you considered using a vacuum capacitor? Expensive but very reliable or an air spaced cap but immersed in oil again capable of greater power handling but also far less susceptible to corrosion for a permanent outdoor install. Keep em coming, Great down to earth proper ham radio vids nicely done! Many thanks. Tom, 73!
@mike-M0MSN
@mike-M0MSN 3 года назад
Thank you Tom.. 😀
@CarlosAvellanet
@CarlosAvellanet 2 года назад
Love your videos and they've inspired me to make my own. I noticed the loops spacing get tighter at the bottom, I don't think the 10cm spacing is kept. Was that on purpose or what is the reason? I made my mag loop using PVC pipe step by step by your instructions and I can get it to tune on 40/80 but haven't been able to tune to the 20 meter band. I am using a 20/250pf variable.
@edgarmontalvodelgado5713
@edgarmontalvodelgado5713 Год назад
Saludos y felicitaciones, me podrías indicar cuantos metros de cable usaste para formar las dos circunferencias y en que frecuencia resuena mejor. Un abrazo desde Lima, Muchas Gracias ,
@robertfoster6070
@robertfoster6070 3 года назад
Ray at the Radio Workshop in Worthing might have a capacitor.
@AlexHitchins
@AlexHitchins 3 года назад
Be interested to see you make a variable capacitor. I wondered if you could make the plates via designing pcb’s. Dual layer, heavier copper with plenty of vias.
@mike-M0MSN
@mike-M0MSN 3 года назад
Possibly!
@MikeDent
@MikeDent 11 месяцев назад
Nice job. However i’d have been hung drawn and quartered had I attempted that in the kitchen. I have some Andrew’s Ldf4-50 in the garage. Can only cry the amount of those capacitors i threw away many years ago 😢
@johnk8091
@johnk8091 3 года назад
All antenna building takes place in the kitchen 😂
@mike-M0MSN
@mike-M0MSN 3 года назад
True story
@PhilG0BVD
@PhilG0BVD 3 года назад
He must have a very understanding wife with the way the solder was dropped all over cooker and worktops!
@Jah_Rastafari_ORIG
@Jah_Rastafari_ORIG 3 года назад
The colloquial term we use for that type of coax in the US is 'hardline'. Primarily for repeater installations and so forth.
@mike-M0MSN
@mike-M0MSN 3 года назад
Thanks for the information Jah.. :)
@jean-emileelectrobricoleur1144
@jean-emileelectrobricoleur1144 2 года назад
très bien et un travaille très propre merci pour tous 73 q r o
@markwagner7023
@markwagner7023 2 года назад
Can you tell me what kind of coaxial cable you used here? I’d like to take a stab at making one of these antennas. Thanks!
@paulshaffer9674
@paulshaffer9674 Год назад
I made a Magnetic Loop out of 6 feet of RG8. Worked well 15 through 40 meters. KG7IRJ Ohio Extra
@peternilan4276
@peternilan4276 3 года назад
wow that looks like real heavy duty coax nice work mike looking forward to see how it tunes with a capacitor. pete G0LVG
@fletcherreder6091
@fletcherreder6091 3 года назад
That's LDF5 with a nominal power rating of 14kW and an attenuation of 0.64 dB per hundred meters. What's crazy is that the line goes all the way up to LDF12 which is 2.25 inches in diameter, has a rating of nearly 40kW, and an attenuation of 0.3 dB per hundred meters. If only the connectors didn't cost hundreds of dollars. 73, KD2TDE
@peternilan4276
@peternilan4276 3 года назад
@@fletcherreder6091wow that's great coax i wonder what the cost is per meter ?
@fletcherreder6091
@fletcherreder6091 3 года назад
​@@peternilan4276 Glad you asked, since it looks like they replaced the LDF series with the AVA series when I wasn't looking. Here's a distributor with a datasheet: www.talleycom.com/viewProduct?rlProdNum=ANDAVA5-50 Below 1dB/100m loss over the entirety of HF! Also the connectors are not as expensive for the 7/8" stuff as they are for the bigger stuff that I'm used to; only ~$40 as opposed to >$300.
@michelfrias7193
@michelfrias7193 7 месяцев назад
Are you soldering with silver or tin-lead? 6:36 Tin-lead is bad idea when you will TX with more than 10w
@richardb6376
@richardb6376 2 года назад
Hi Mike. Did you find a variable air capacitor.
@cacciskagrana6603
@cacciskagrana6603 Год назад
so that the 2 terminals of the loop are not connected, but prepared for the variable capacitor ?.
@johnnorth9355
@johnnorth9355 3 года назад
Great video . I am studying for my Foundation and one of my post licence projects will be to make one of these. I wonder how long before the Chinese start knocking these out in volume and low cost though ?
@mike-M0MSN
@mike-M0MSN 3 года назад
Not long I think.. :) 😂
@N3OST
@N3OST 2 года назад
may I please have the SLT for the printed spacers?
@ERICtheLATE
@ERICtheLATE 3 года назад
Besides the flexibility, wx proof coating, and just cool factor, does using coax for the big loop add any other benefits? Does the center conductor help it be more wide banded? There is a fridge on the curb, and the copper is still there, would like to mimic this, but no broadcast or cell tower scrap around here.
@mike-M0MSN
@mike-M0MSN 3 года назад
No, you can use any thing for the coil, copper pipe is the best thing I have found..
@BillBerzinskas
@BillBerzinskas 10 месяцев назад
awesome build, any plans to share the printed part designs?
@mike-M0MSN
@mike-M0MSN 8 месяцев назад
Sorry, no. no longer have the files.
@sootydave1
@sootydave1 Год назад
Mike. I have to ask. Why do they use coax for the main loop? Would small-bore copper tubing or 4 gauge power cable do the same?
@johnanthonycolley3803
@johnanthonycolley3803 3 года назад
For attaching a terminal to the outer of the coax, Could do with a more powerful soldering iron .. de John G4XJC
@mike-M0MSN
@mike-M0MSN 3 года назад
Thanks Jon One on order. :)
@intruder1951
@intruder1951 3 года назад
Hello Mike, I did Bild the large loop. That one does his work great. But, now I want to bild this one, but before I cut the Andrew wire, what frequency's work this small loop. Grtz Gerrit.
@mike-M0MSN
@mike-M0MSN 3 года назад
20 to 40 Metres I believe, I no longer have this loop so I cannot check.
@KU8RLY
@KU8RLY Год назад
You said without a cap it was resonant at 15mhz. How did jt receive on other bands?
@georgessamara5592
@georgessamara5592 3 года назад
I can get a similar cable. All I need now is a transceiver and 3D printer :-)
@George10767
@George10767 3 года назад
While I applaud all efforts to learn by experimentation, my "gut feeling" is that any multi-turn magnetic loop antenna is likely to be retrograde by comparison with the conventional single-turn. It appears that the single-turn loop is *more* than just an inductor. In effect it is a centre-fed half-wave dipole where the ends of the dipole have been pulled round to form a circle. And the ends of this "half-wave dipole" are connected together with a variable capacitor. So the entire loop radiates into free space. There is high voltage (across the variable capacitor), and a high current (near the feed point). It may not look like a half-wave dipole, but it works very much the same way. (However, unlike a half-wave dipole the circumference of the loop is *not* determined or constrained by the transmitted wavelength). The important consideration is that there is a *voltage standing wave* around the loop, where maximum voltage is across the variable capacitor. But this "pure" arrangement is severely upset if the loop is multi-turn.
@mike-M0MSN
@mike-M0MSN 3 года назад
I would agree, a single loop at the correct size for the band/s you are trying to cover will work far better than the smaller twin, just like a 160M halfwave (80M) antenna will work far better than a 40m coil loaded shortened antenna on 160m, but hay!!! small garden small loop...
@Tump2010
@Tump2010 3 года назад
when you transmit I would love to see a ft8 pskreport of it and your copper tube version
@mike-M0MSN
@mike-M0MSN 3 года назад
Will do someday
@acestudioscouk-Ace-G0ACE
@acestudioscouk-Ace-G0ACE 3 года назад
Really interesting and well made video as always. At some point it would be good to hear the pros and cons of trombone, air variable and vacuum capacitors in your practical experience.
@mike-M0MSN
@mike-M0MSN 3 года назад
Noted!
@mysticwolf2842
@mysticwolf2842 3 года назад
This looks like a useful antenna where can I get the plans for it ?
@mike-M0MSN
@mike-M0MSN 3 года назад
I have not published any
@centralna.poczta4648
@centralna.poczta4648 2 года назад
Hello ... Interesting design of the antenna ... I have a question ... What type of coaxial cable is used on the main loop. What is the capacity of the variable capacitor. I do not understand English very well. Witam... Ciekawa konstrukcja anteny... Mam pytanie... Jaki typ, rodzaj kabela koncentrycznego jest zastosowany do wykonania głównej pętli. Jaka jest pojemność zmiennego kondensatora. Nie rozumiem zbyt dobrze angielskiego. Pozdrawiam
@mike-M0MSN
@mike-M0MSN 2 года назад
kabel koncentryczny to heliax (hardline lub Andrews), a kondensator ma od 9 do 300 pf the coax is heliax (hardline or Andrews) and the capacitor is 9 to 300pf
@centralna.poczta4648
@centralna.poczta4648 2 года назад
@@mike-M0MSN Dziękuje..
@thedancingalien7766
@thedancingalien7766 3 года назад
Us aliens like soldering
@mike-M0MSN
@mike-M0MSN 3 года назад
cool or should I say hot...
@2EOGIY
@2EOGIY 3 года назад
5:00 soldering core with the shield together on both ends will give you less resistance. Have you tried to use flux? Try to find "no clean" one. Works better than resin cores inside the solder.
@mike-M0MSN
@mike-M0MSN 3 года назад
Thanks for the tip
@ekimlebenk4183
@ekimlebenk4183 2 года назад
What about the skin effect? As far as I understand, the core will not help in reducing the resistance as at higher frequencies the electrons are pushed to the surface of the conductor
@2EOGIY
@2EOGIY 2 года назад
@@ekimlebenk4183 that's the wrong understanding of skin effect. imagine a round bar and flat bar, both with the same cross-cut surface. the round bar has a smaller surface and the flat bar could be theoretically thinned out to have an external surface up to infinity, but both will have the same resistance as the cross surface matters not the skin surface. Skin effect just tells that electron likes to be outside, but if they can not be there then they won't and you have deeper penetration. Good practice 4A per 1 mm^2 safe practice 2A per 1mm^2 but that's irrelevant from the resistance part of the impedance. If you would have to take into consideration skin effect that means your magnetic look is improperly built. (diameter to length ratio). it also means you are one of the reachest people in the world to have such an antenna for HAM HF bands as it would take humongous tons of copper.
@9PAT508
@9PAT508 3 года назад
Yes....i'm the 450 thumbs up heheheh nice video and very informative..thanks and keep them rolling love the magnet loop for SWL.....have a good life
@mike-M0MSN
@mike-M0MSN 3 года назад
Thanks 👍
@Nathan1975Liggy
@Nathan1975Liggy 3 года назад
Be interesting to see you show us how to build an 8 band mag loop like the one sold by 2E0ERO. I would love one of his 8 band magloops but the capacitance switch being at the loop is no good and the price is far to high.
@mike-M0MSN
@mike-M0MSN 3 года назад
I do not see the point, you loose to much efficiency (two bands is the way to go)
@Stuff_happens
@Stuff_happens 3 года назад
Fancy. What did u use for plastic spacers? What was your fill %? Just curious. Haven’t used my printer in a while. I use Fusion 360. Great antenna project. Would like to see this antenna with a capacitor. Are you planning on using a vacuum variable?
@mike-M0MSN
@mike-M0MSN 3 года назад
20% fill, but it took all day printing.. air spaced Cap, due to cost $$$.
@ukm6yik69
@ukm6yik69 3 года назад
Have you got the stl files. And would 213 fit the holes OK do you think. I would love to build one and have a 3d printer and some 213 lying around.
@mike-M0MSN
@mike-M0MSN 3 года назад
watch this space...
@bernard83110
@bernard83110 2 года назад
i don't undestand some mesures , if the coupling loop 32 Cm diametre= 100Cm , it's a half wave ? so it's (32 * π) /2 and main loop is 94 *2π (lenght of coax ) .
@cyberia55
@cyberia55 3 года назад
Shouldn’t the exciter loop be positioned at the center point of the two loops (the bottom, in this case)?
@mike-M0MSN
@mike-M0MSN 3 года назад
As long as it works....
@mrtonicsvls3624
@mrtonicsvls3624 2 года назад
What kind of capacitor you used? I can't see in this video. Thanks.
@mike-M0MSN
@mike-M0MSN 2 года назад
see other video's
@kellypaws
@kellypaws 3 года назад
Mike, have you go this lovely bit of kit to tune on 80? If so, did it work well? I'm keen to build one, but specifically for 80, since it's an utter pig to fit in an 80 long wire here. Hoping you can find the time to reply!!!!
@mike-M0MSN
@mike-M0MSN 3 года назад
20 and 40 at the moment.. 👍🏻
@andylinton2798
@andylinton2798 3 года назад
Search on Ebay for 'Eddystone' - you'll find airspace caps there.
@mike-M0MSN
@mike-M0MSN 3 года назад
Thanks Andy
@W4TRI
@W4TRI 3 года назад
Do you have a link to get the STL files? I have some Hardline jumpers here that size. Great stuff! Thanks! 73 K4RJJ
@mike-M0MSN
@mike-M0MSN 3 года назад
No, sorry
@geraldcampbell6834
@geraldcampbell6834 2 года назад
Is there anyway to get the 3D stl files for the printed parts I would like to make one of these antennas!
@mike-M0MSN
@mike-M0MSN 2 года назад
On Thingsverse
@Nathan1975Liggy
@Nathan1975Liggy 3 года назад
What diference does having the 2 loops make as oposed to just one?
@mike-M0MSN
@mike-M0MSN 3 года назад
Not a lot just a bit smaller.
@cliveharding1825
@cliveharding1825 3 года назад
Dou you have the stl files handy or the dimensions so I can create them?
@mike-M0MSN
@mike-M0MSN 3 года назад
sorry no, you will have to create them :(
@pa6552
@pa6552 2 года назад
Hi, is the location of the capacitor critical? Ie, any option/possibility to have it further away from the antenna?
@mike-M0MSN
@mike-M0MSN Год назад
You can put the cap anywhere as long as it makes a LC circuit.
@pa6552
@pa6552 Год назад
@@mike-M0MSN Thanks! wrt the diameter of the large loop - any benefit ( or rather, what would the effect be) if I made it larger? 3 loops instead of 2? What about 4 loops that for a "ball" - ie, N, S, E and W orientated?
@bigliftm
@bigliftm 3 года назад
Question : will RG213 coax work as well ? Q2 = solder the connections to the braid ? what to do with the coax core. ? pls some more details as i got plenty of RG213 laying arround. No 3 d printer unfortunatly. 73s from PD0ROH
@mike-M0MSN
@mike-M0MSN 3 года назад
Good to speak on DMR, Yes you can use RG213
@bigliftm
@bigliftm 3 года назад
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@paulhastings3109
@paulhastings3109 2 года назад
I only need a three D printer Lol. 73 KQ4CD Paul
@jamesfoley2720
@jamesfoley2720 3 года назад
Are you single or very brave, soldering over that nice kitchen counter top??? 😎😇
@mike-M0MSN
@mike-M0MSN 3 года назад
brave...
@kimsan1803
@kimsan1803 3 года назад
Mike how did you make a dia mtr at 32 cm when you write the coupling loop is 51 cm 🤔
@mike-M0MSN
@mike-M0MSN 3 года назад
??
@kimsan1803
@kimsan1803 3 года назад
@@mike-M0MSN Look at the video 6 min in you write " couplingloop this one is 51 cm and dia at 32 cm " then i ask how did you do that and what is the site of the couplingloop ;-) or is the dia not 32 cm...
@mike-M0MSN
@mike-M0MSN 3 года назад
@@kimsan1803 Oops, should have read 91cm in length around 32 cm dia.. Sorry but thank you for the correction.
@kimsan1803
@kimsan1803 3 года назад
@@mike-M0MSN Thanks then I will try again 😉 and make a new one lol 👍😜
@andyshaw2800
@andyshaw2800 3 года назад
You should have used a little bit of washing up liquid to get the spacers on
@mike-M0MSN
@mike-M0MSN 3 года назад
great tip
@chrisbartlett6022
@chrisbartlett6022 3 года назад
Mike, i have a couple of Air spaced capacitors you are welcome to look at / borrow.
@mike-M0MSN
@mike-M0MSN 3 года назад
Thanks Chris..👍
@edkemp6287
@edkemp6287 3 месяца назад
Why not electrically shielded feed loop?
@mike-M0MSN
@mike-M0MSN 2 месяца назад
you could use that...I had Cooper pipe.
@kellypaws
@kellypaws 2 года назад
I'm not sure how these kitchen activities aren't met with repercussions....
@mike-M0MSN
@mike-M0MSN 2 года назад
Oh they are!!!
@MeineVideokasetten
@MeineVideokasetten 3 года назад
Hey dr op. Is it usable for 80m to 10m band?
@mike-M0MSN
@mike-M0MSN 3 года назад
Hopefully will try once a get a cap... 😀
@MeineVideokasetten
@MeineVideokasetten 3 года назад
@@mike-M0MSN Thank you. Mike.
@rushymoto
@rushymoto 3 года назад
Should not the driving loop be 1/5 of the electrical length of the resonant loop, not the diameter?
@mike-M0MSN
@mike-M0MSN 3 года назад
Thats a good question, Its standard diameter is 1/5 that of the main loop. However, I have seen designs with 1/3 to 1/8 the diameter of the main loop...??
@rushymoto
@rushymoto 3 года назад
@@mike-M0MSN I downloaded a document all about considerations of using mag loops and 1/5 is what it said, but as you use multi turns to make compactness surely you should do the same with the drive ring, or maintain the electrical length ratio, as we know, wave length regards electrical length and not the shape it is packaged into.
@jeffreycohen3451
@jeffreycohen3451 3 года назад
Forgive my ignorance, but why can you NOT transmit on the Coax Magloop?
@mike-M0MSN
@mike-M0MSN 3 года назад
Simple Jeff, it was resident on 15MHz and not 14MHz so the SWR was over 25:1....
@donaldhoot7741
@donaldhoot7741 2 года назад
LOL! My cheapo MLA30+ can pull in more!
@johnbigbooty
@johnbigbooty 2 года назад
Mike, I built your 5/8 wave "Sirio Gainmaster Type" a few weeks ago and it worked quite well, straight away. Kudos. I know that your video states that your multi-turn loop is 94 cm in diameter. From what I read the Faraday coupling loop is 32 cm in diameter. So, the ratio of coupling loop to main loop (for this particular multi-turn loop) is around 1/3 (34%) ? Keep posting!
@mike-M0MSN
@mike-M0MSN 2 года назад
yeh it works on the full circumference so its two times as you have two loops...
@kellypaws
@kellypaws 3 года назад
No antenna is complete without some cable ties! Mine are made entirely out wire and (mainly) cable ties.
@mike-M0MSN
@mike-M0MSN 3 года назад
too right....
@BoB4jjjjs
@BoB4jjjjs 3 года назад
I can't afford a 3D printer :-( Have to chop up the white plastic chopping board and spend the next few nights sleeping in the shed! :-((
@mike-M0MSN
@mike-M0MSN 3 года назад
I have made one using 50mm and 38mm plumbimg pipe that works well, (next video).. :)
@BoB4jjjjs
@BoB4jjjjs 3 года назад
@@mike-M0MSN Ah yes, I could use the plastic plumbing clips to hold it all together. 10mm Microbore pipe should be easy to bend into a circle. EDIT: Look forward to next video.
@gufranozcelik9553
@gufranozcelik9553 8 месяцев назад
Wouldn't the small loop diameter be 1/5 of the large loop diameter?
@mike-M0MSN
@mike-M0MSN 8 месяцев назад
Try it out!
@123Lesgeorg
@123Lesgeorg 3 года назад
Hi Mike, I have some LDF2-50
@mike-M0MSN
@mike-M0MSN 3 года назад
make a loop
@123Lesgeorg
@123Lesgeorg 3 года назад
@@mike-M0MSN do you want it, 2 x 25m 1 x about 10m and a LDF-2 SMa connector FOC or it will go in a skip
@mike-M0MSN
@mike-M0MSN 3 года назад
@@123Lesgeorg Yes would love it.. Drop me a note via QRZ
@123Lesgeorg
@123Lesgeorg 3 года назад
@@mike-M0MSN I sent Callum an email as I could find his email easy, he said he forwarded my email to you as I said did he want it if not ask you. les@l18esais.com will find me
@daveschwarz5279
@daveschwarz5279 3 года назад
Have you tried to couple the larger loop with a toroid, FT 240-43 or FT140-43 a simple 1:1 would give you a really low SWR.... some people use an ATU on their radio to help out with the matching. A toroidal match or a gamma match really work better than a small coax loop.
@mike-M0MSN
@mike-M0MSN 3 года назад
Thanks Dave will give that a try.
@AmRadPodcast
@AmRadPodcast 3 года назад
I use an FT240-43 on a 5.8m circumference loop for 40m and I can get very close to 1:1. Unfortunately you have to change the number of turns on the toroid to achieve decent SWR on a different band. Eventually will try using a remote relay to "adjust" the number of turns
@leos9865
@leos9865 3 года назад
Is a double loop better than only one loop?.
@mike-M0MSN
@mike-M0MSN 3 года назад
No but smaller..👍
@mathewgeorge9550
@mathewgeorge9550 Месяц назад
Complete novice here. Can we make them for 15 - 50 kHz? If yes what dimensions might work? Thank you.
@mike-M0MSN
@mike-M0MSN Месяц назад
I'm guessing you meant 15 to 50 Mhz or 20 to 6 Metres yes you can ( its a 10th of the wavelength)
@mathewgeorge9550
@mathewgeorge9550 Месяц назад
I meant VLF.
@jonfortier3664
@jonfortier3664 3 года назад
if two loops are better than one then why not 3 or 4 loops ???
@cacciskagrana6603
@cacciskagrana6603 Год назад
i dont understand how does it get so low swr without variable capacitor.
@mike-M0MSN
@mike-M0MSN Год назад
The length of the loop is a perfect match for 15.4 MHz as it acts like a fixed length magloop until you close the loop with a variable capacitor, as this adds variable length electrically and because the length changes so the frequencies move.
@eventail2001
@eventail2001 3 года назад
I think you would have been better making a mechanical joint with the wires you soldered on for the capacitors, then soldered them. Relying on just the solder strength could lead to a future failure
@mike-M0MSN
@mike-M0MSN 3 года назад
Agreed, I have now removed and done just that..
@warrenphillips69
@warrenphillips69 2 года назад
Is that LMR600?
@mike-M0MSN
@mike-M0MSN 2 года назад
No it's Andrews Helix
@MrDwadi84
@MrDwadi84 3 года назад
What type of coax is it?
@mike-M0MSN
@mike-M0MSN 3 года назад
Andrew helix
@antonisxenos1053
@antonisxenos1053 3 года назад
Surely circumference is 294. C=2*pi*R.
@mike-M0MSN
@mike-M0MSN 3 года назад
yep you are right, but as I have twisted the loop to make it look like two loops..........
@user-ss6zt2mo1l
@user-ss6zt2mo1l 3 года назад
Can you share the 3D spacer file ?
@mike-M0MSN
@mike-M0MSN 3 года назад
Maybe later
@genesky61
@genesky61 3 года назад
So why No set diameter for the magnetic loop antenna. I find it frustrating to communicate with Ham radio Humans. I am aware that the modulated electric field works best at resonance with element length. So what about the magnetic field?? Please provide a straight answer.
@mike-M0MSN
@mike-M0MSN 3 года назад
I will try and possibly fail, however here goes... The loop Magloop antenna or Small Transmission Loop (STL) is basically an LC-circuit that has to be tuned to resonance on the desired operating frequency. It is normally 10% or 1/10th of the wave length you wish to operate on for example circumference of just less than 8 mtrs for the 80m band. The loop by itself is an inductor that has the shape of a closed-loop. The coupling loop is is around 1/5 or 20% of the larger loop and acts as the pick up. The wavelength of the large loop is tuned using a variable capacitor (it fools the smaller loop into thinking the outer loop is bigger than it is) and therefore changes the resonant frequencies. For more information check out www.nonstopsystems.com/radio/frank_radio_antenna_magloop.htm#
@genesky61
@genesky61 3 года назад
Ok , you did good. Simple to the point. Have another question. Why is the magnetic field wave length 10% of the electric field wave length?? And I am interested in magnetic loop for reception of the VHF Tv Low band channels 2 thru 6. Magnetic field reception has a lot less interference then electric field reception on Tv channel 2 thru 6. And yes I know that magnetic loops are less efficient at frequencies above 30 Mhz , But that does not mean that it wont work. And there are magnetic loops for the FM radio band and that is above Tv channels 2 thru 6. When I have brought this issue up in the past , Ham Radio Humans , Switch OFF and refuse to talk or think about it.
@ghostedyoutuber263
@ghostedyoutuber263 2 года назад
It appears you are having some fun and are indeed enjoying yourself with this project. I am pretty sure that you having any sort of fun in the UK would be quite illegal and considered anti-social. I hope that you are not caught.
@Justin-bd2dg
@Justin-bd2dg 3 года назад
Hard line?
@mike-M0MSN
@mike-M0MSN 3 года назад
yep 😁
@talkintech9363
@talkintech9363 11 месяцев назад
why wont you share your 3d print files so others can build this project???
@wawolff6085
@wawolff6085 3 года назад
Why doesn't anyone show a loop fed with a gamma match?
@mike-M0MSN
@mike-M0MSN 3 года назад
Good point.
@o00scorpion00o
@o00scorpion00o 2 года назад
I recently got the MFJ-935C loop tuner and made a loop for 20M up of 4 meter long 10mm Copper Pipe, not the straightest loop either lol but first contact was on 20m with 20 watts from Ireland to Canada, very impressed and think I'm going to have a lot of fun with this tuner. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-GgHE2hcZzHc.html
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