Hi Patrick! I believe these switches have a very valuable feature - multi-chassis lag (true stacking?). It means a LAG can terminate with one link on each switch and can survive a failure of one of the switches in the stack. Other SME focussed switches simply don't have this feature, even if they allow stacking. It would be great if you could highlight that or even try it out
@@ServeTheHomeVideo yes indeed but I believe it's worth mentioning these have better stacking than the competition - a single LACP (trunk) can be split over a pair of stacked chassis (true stacking not logical/management-only stacking) as you'll find from other vendors, which will only allow LACP within 1 chassis even if it's part of a stack. Edit: Cisco Meraki for example are like that
@@rik1083 Netgear M4300 allows lag across different stack members. The main limitation is all switches have to be on the same firmware version, so you can't do a rolling reboot after a fw upgrade. Dell's "don't call it stacking" VLT also does this.
@@ServeTheHomeVideo Had to come back after almost a week of stewing on this... other than stacking is there any difference between the 1960 and the much cheaper 1930? I caught the brief mention of stacking towards the end, but I dont get any other feature worth reviewing in these switches. Other than stacking they are just overpriced 1930s, right?
Its always nice when they are lined up correctly. Hate when we do colocation and have a cluster of equipment that is all over the place makes it a cabling nightmare. :D
Let's not forget you are paying for a lifetime warranty too. Not available from ubiquiti, mikrotik etc. With Next Business Day Shipment. This warranty is also Something you get on the lower end 1930 that carries a much lower price, same processing power, just missing the 10g rj45 (it's all sfp+ something you prefer) and a lower POE budget (370w max vs 600w) and poe++ vs poe+ if I'm not mistaken. The comparable models would be something like the Cisco CBS series that also carries a lifetime warranty and similar poe budget, upto 740w on the cbs350.
I wonder when we'll be seeing 24x2.5GbE, 2x10GbE, 2x40G QSFP+ in the SMB/home market. I've got an all flash server at home, and 4 different desktops with on board 2.5GbE(and 5G) ports that are all starved for bandwidth
This is what I'm wondering. I'm waiting to overhaul my network swithcing and aggregation until we start seeing more prosumer SMB/home market switches that have 2.5Gbe and 10Gbe
@@bryce2113 It shouldnt be pro-sumer to have 2.5G, because it seems like most motherboards come with that now. IIRC my last motherboard was only $130 and had 5G
@@trogdorr I believe mine is actually a 1930, by the look of the specs the biggest difference is the poe wattage capacity, but again, non-poe model so quite a bit of savings there
As a guy starting out with IT and looking forward to setting up my own network, I would like a bit more explanation of what a feature means! Great video ⭐
As I system engineer I HATE these aruba instant on switches.... like you said they are "layer 2,5" with some layer 3 functions enabled by default that just DONT work at all.... its more working turning those features off and getting the switches working then they are worth....
And lack of any sort CLI is annoying and crippling. Also I don't know about 1960 but 1930 config file format is suspiciously similar to Cisco SBS (i.e. SG-300)
@@breakingcustombc2925 lots and lots of issue's with voip, there are so many features that are "enabled" but dont fully work... LLPD, LLPD-MED are some of them. they have it. but they dont work... or cause more issues then they solve
I got the Instant On 1930 last year with 24x Gbit + 4x SFP+ 10Gbit. Silent, power efficient, looks basically the same with same features/webUI and was just 170€ new. All great so far.
Yeah, I think I got my 1930 24+4x10 for like $125 USD on ebay in like new condition last year. I hadn't even been shopping for a switch but at that price buying it saves me money.
I really wish they gave you the Distribution/Aggregation switch to review along with the access layer models as a full solution (Aruba Instant On 1960 12XGT 4SFP+ Switch JL805A)
I just bought two of the 12XT switches for our new hyperconverged cluster. Cost us less than $5k for two of the 1960's and modules. If they work well no need to look at the new 6200 series Aruba switch. Will save a ton of money.
Honestly for the PoE marking they could have just kept the yellow PoE arrow on the faceplate. I have appreciated that little arrow for years and I also love the idea of the MAC and SN being on a pull tag. I cant stand getting into a server closet to take a netmap inventory and having the back ends of the switches butted against the wal.
definitely agree with the two main gripes here... want all sfp+ instead of 10g... and would prefer 2.5 over 1 gig for standard with NOT POE driven... built a computer last year (first in many years) and it had 2.5 built in... but yeah pretty much no real 2.5 gig switching out there that i trust... wound up putting a 10g card in it... in POE I dont really care as much.. most poe applications I can think of are well less than 1g need.
I swear by these, 100% better then Unifi ! Deploy alot of Aruba AiO Hoping Aruba will send me a product for review too.. I can also Confirm that TenFourOptics SFP+ dac's & Transceivers work in the Aruba switches ! the 10Gtek also work with out issues. Others cause the switch to light up orange and freak out..
Thank you for pointing out the 10GbE ports on all switches in the 1960 series do not support multigig, only 1/10GbE. Yet many of their access points are 2.5GbE. Makes very little sense to me. 🤷🏻♂️
Aruba Networks S2500-24P-4x10G they also have the 3500. I have been looking at these to compare with the NETGEAR ProSAFE S3300-28X-PoE+ 4x10g. I have been looking at them but man I like the web gui interface on the netgear compared to most of the set up being though the CLI on the Aruba's. Love to see your reviews on those and set up ect and pros and cons. they are much cheaper than the netgear on the used market. But I have my doubts since I'm used to the web gui for most of the set up ect with vlans and laggs
I think I was confusing Aruba Instant On (the small business / home office arm) with Aruba Networks (the enterprise arm) when noticing that those switches have no management port (USB or RS232). Searching the Aruba Networks support portal gets nothing for either 1960 or JL806A.
I should also have liked to see the POE version (JL807A). However, I think that the Ubiquiti UniFiSwitch Pro 24 is a strong competitor because of the price and the 2.5 Gbs capabilities. All of these switches lack the number of SFP+ ports to actually support "enough" machines in a SOHO network like mine (e.g. two workstations, a server, a router and a backup NAS), but having at least 2.5 Gbs alleviates that to some extent. This is even enough for new generations of APs for WiFi 6 or 7 that need POE and more than 1 Gbs. Maybe you should test the Ubiquiti?
We are going to have more Ubiquiti reviews. Ubiquiti's reviewer agreement is extremely restrictive and would not let us be editorially independent. That is important for us, but also important when you see other reviews out there. I was shocked to see what they wanted. So we are having to work around that process. Luckily the STH main site is large enough (YT is
@@ServeTheHomeVideo I knew about some downsides of Ubiquiti, like vendor lock-in and intentional obsolescence of old lineups (their Edgemax routers have received no software updates since mid 2021 despite being based on Debian 6 and Vyatta OS 6.3). It was high time to either re-base them, update more often with security fixes or give up the whole lineage, but instead, Ubiquiti focuses their attention on UDM. Also, the development of their AP software is a mess - there, the generational leaps begin to show as well: not all of their lines are updated at once and many new versions are problematic at best (they ripe at the customer). Interesting to hear from you that some of the excited reviews are there for a reason, though.
@@congenio You can build your own router for free with VyOS which is essentially Vyatta. Why mess with a commercial product based on the same OS? A lot of folks also use pfsense as a firewall/router solution. I build everything from scratch as everything are white boxed from servers to firewalls that uses open source software.
@@eman0828 I actually do that, but I use OpnSense. The Edgerouter was once a compelling product at a time because of its price and the hardware offloading features. Now, because of the abandonment by Ubiquiti and my need for 10 Gbps routing capability, it is not any more. But was not my point: What I wanted to stress here is just that some of the advantages of Ubiquiti products (i.e. being turnkey solutions) is weighed out by the fact that Ubiquiti now shows to be one more of the vendors that at some point in the future move on to new products and abandon old ones which then become obsolete for security reasons. Also, their range of offers has broadened so much that they cannot support them as well as when they started their business. This is beginning to show in some series like their 5th gen APs, which received the current firmware 6.14 last (both older and newer generations had it earlier) - I think that was because that 5th gen was superseded after only a few months. Maybe that is the price you have to pay for products that are much cheaper as those from HP and Cisco, who give you the exact date of how long a product will be supported and stand by that promise.
Ubiquiti make decent products but a huge part of their price point comes simply from the sad reality that we, the consumer, do the bulk of their firmware testing for them. I bought the PoE version of this switch as a replacement for a Mikrotik CRS354-48P.. incredible price, for incredible features and it simply doesn't work. And they haven't fixed it for 2 years either (see their forum). Sometimes the best cost saving is just to pay for proven quality in the first place. (EDIT: To be clear, I am saying the Miktrotik doesn't work - the Aruba has been rock solid).
Can a fanless switch like that be rack mounted? Seems like if there was something on top of it, the heat would not be able to escape. Curious if these will hold up with passive cooling.
I'm not sure why instant-on is a feature you'd look for in a switch. How often are you going to be rebooting and losing power on something that's part of core infrastructure for the buisness these are designed for? And they should have an easily identifiable part # from the front, that's just silly. The rest sounds like mostly an update and rebrand of the HPE 1950 switches.
I guess you've never had to sit for 5-10min waiting for a switch to boot. For an SMB switch, it's very possible to not be in a datacenter with 24/7/365 power. Plus, from personal experience, I _really_ need the switches to be fully up before any computers come up. (eg. the router's LAG will never setup correctly if it's up before the switch)
I installed 2 of these, slightly different. they came with 4 x SFP+ and no T-Base ports. On the product support there isn't any SFP+ T-Base module support listed. Not sure if this is a new revision or a different model for the UK.
Does this model still require proprietary DAC cables? I got a used Aruba switch and had to buy special cables because it was vendor-locked to their cables.
@@breakingcustombc2925 Sadly, that command is not available on the model I have (S2500-48P PoE). I found that when I was looking for solutions to use the cables I had, and it turns out they implemented it in later models. I upgraded it to the latest firmware version at the time I bought it hoping that would help, but it didn't. Maybe there's a newer update now, but I already have more expensive cables.
Hi, I just got this 1960 model from my purchase team. This is my first HPE switch. I can log in to the web, how can I get SSH access? I am not able to do that.
I need to find a layer 2 POE+ gigabit switch with 24 ports and with 2 10GB link ports. I want a 10GB back bone And I use the POE switches for my security cameras and I have areas that are fare a part and I want have 10GB back to central command if you must. I have a 24 port 10GB fiber netgear switch with 4 100, 1000, and 10gb copper ports. My servers and computers all have 10gb fiber nic cards, and my security camera server also has 10 GB. Buy my home about 200 feet a way from my shop/ office, and I want the POE+ switch to have a few 10GB ports.
Why? Is it not much easier to link with short cat 6 cables? Why is everyone asking for SFP+. Adaptors and DAC cables are so more expensive and long and more difficult to work with. Do they have to be vendor specific? All I see is vendor specific adaptors, cables, optic cables are more delicate, etc. Why is every one all about SFP+?
agree, these are pretty meh to me, especially for the money. 2.5gbps is the wave of the future, I'm looking forward to more higher end vendors getting on board with this.
@@wkm001 when buying for a company of thousands, I'll take 2.5. Of course, it's probably only 10% of my end users that could utilize 2.5gbps, but that is changing as the 2.5gbps cards become more popular in desktop hardware.
@@mikejakubik of course that makes sense for us power users that can stress a 10gbps+ link, I'm referring to the target audience of these switches, which is SMB users and data closets.
they all have you by the nuts if you want 2.5g. ive been looking for work. other features that make the price insane: hot swapable psus, POE above 30w per port... or even ability to get near 30w off every port on the device. I the poe budget on the 1960 48 port is 600w. aka 12.5w per port if you have 48 poe devices you want to run. The lack of hotswap psus are ridiculous. power ORing chips and the crap power supplies they stick in these things are not that expensive.
ca. $1000-1100 USD for a 48 port GbE switch plus four 10GbE ports is SOOO not worth it. I bought my Netgear GSM7248 (which, admittedly, doesn't have the 10GbE ports on it), used, off eBay for $60 USD. I can't imagine (nor justify) four 10GbE ports being worth the remaining $940 or the other features that this switch offers.
Exactly. For a 1G switch with a token few uplink 10G's, it's just too expensive. Even more so when used 48p 1G POE+ switches can be had for 1/10th that. (yes, I know new vs. used... HP (etc) has never asked where a "lifetime warranty" device came from -- even sent me newer models as they didn't make the one I had anymore.)
No SSH, so no go. Do not buy this. Let Patrick set different vlans for different ports, and watch him go insane having to refresh these webpages, constantly starting s at port 0 and having to do every step all over again. Also this requires a webbrowser, so good look trying to config it from any common CLI interface, like a different switch remotely which has IP connectivity to this 1900. Or some SSH jumphost. I recently had to alter 8 switch, 6 were 2530 and took around 10 minutes, two 1900's took another hour.
Everyday challenge on our channel. Half the folks think we use too many big words. The other half think we use too small of words and are too simple. we are still working on getting the balance.
