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Hands on with a J.P. Beck Signed Smoothbore Flintlock American Long Rifle | Art in Firearms HIstory 

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John Philip Beck (c. 1751-1811) was active in Lebanon, Pennsylvania, and is known to have manufactured a wide variety of firearms, including muskets for the Committee of Safety during the American Revolution in addition to his well-known long rifles. The Kentucky Rifle Foundation calls him "one of the superior builders of Pennsylvania long rifles" and notes, "He was instrumental in establishing the regional style, and his rifles are often embellished with bold rococo scrollwork and beautiful engraving."
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This rifle is probably relatively early work by Beck and features a beautifully engraved patch box with the "whale tail" finial seen on some other Beck rifles as well as elaborate incised and raised relief carving on the stock. The barrel is smoothbore and may have been originally rifled or be original as a "smooth rifle." Several of the known Beck "rifles" are smoothbores of similar caliber. The barrel has traditional blade and notch sights and is signed "Jx Px Beck" in script. The surname resembles "Beuck," but this is consistent with other Beck signed guns. The lock is unmarked. The furniture is all brass. As noted, the patch box has attractive engraving. The lid has an intricate floral pattern, and the sideplates and finial have scroll patterns. The sideplate is not engraved. The stock has molding along the ramrod channel terminating in incised scrolls and a floral scroll pattern at the entry pipe. The bottom of the stock ahead of the trigger guard also has an incised floral scroll pattern. The flats have the large tear drops typical of Beck's work, and there is a raised relief and incised scroll pattern carved at the barrel tang. The bottom of the butt has molding, and the wrist and butt have a mix of incised and raised relief carved scroll patterns, including classic "C scroll" patterns on the left side behind the cheek rest.
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@steveschainost7590
@steveschainost7590 Год назад
With regard to 'smooth' rifles vs. 'rifled' rifles: Some years ago, I was interested in that question and tallied all the longrifles in Kindig. Joe Kindig presented data on some 262 arms. Of these, 143 were smoothbore and 119 were rifled. Of the smoothbores, 98 were .46 to .55 caliber. Of the rifles, 98 were between .41 and .55 caliber (43 were .41 to .45. 32 were .46 to .50. 23 were .51 to .55). Of interest, another three were double barreled. Two doubles had one smooth barrel and one rifled barrel. The third double had two rifled barrels (.38 and .52).
@stephenmiller1328
@stephenmiller1328 2 месяца назад
I'm working on a JP Beck now, and I'm finding out just how unique JP Beck was, a lot of details, that makes it very unique, one notable feature was the three rivets on the nose cap.
@markoharoldoronearmedpoohb7816
@markoharoldoronearmedpoohb7816 2 года назад
J.P. Beck is one of my favorite builders, his lines and styles just speak to me! Pennsylvania Longrifles are awesome!
@ILoveMuzzleloading
@ILoveMuzzleloading 2 года назад
Amen!
@AbbieOates
@AbbieOates 2 года назад
Look at the tiger striping under that finish, really a wonderful looking piece. I think a smoothbore has more utility even if it lacks the accuracy of a rifle.
@ILoveMuzzleloading
@ILoveMuzzleloading 2 года назад
Agreed, the smoothbore was a very useful tool. To a trained marksman they can be very accurate as well.
@peghead
@peghead Год назад
In my opinion, a smoothbore would have put protein on the table more consistently than a rifle alone. In woodlands such as we have in the eastern part of the country, squirrels, rabbits and fowl would be much more plentiful than deer and bears ( I don't think wild hogs were widespread in the 18/19th century).
@ILoveMuzzleloading
@ILoveMuzzleloading Год назад
Great perspective, thank you for sharing!
@beckflintlocks8829
@beckflintlocks8829 2 года назад
Absolutely love holding the originals!
@ILoveMuzzleloading
@ILoveMuzzleloading 2 года назад
It's a pretty great feeling. I hope the video does it justice!
@Snap4590
@Snap4590 2 года назад
Thanks for the video. The shelf in the patchbox is to support the catch. The catch goes through the butt plate and is driven into the end of the shelf.
@mylife6453
@mylife6453 2 года назад
This is very nice to a classic long rifle in a great video.Thanks
@TurkeyCreek-ek8mj
@TurkeyCreek-ek8mj 2 года назад
What an interesting and inspiring piece of Beck's work. Thanks Ethan. TC
@ILoveMuzzleloading
@ILoveMuzzleloading 2 года назад
Glad you enjoyed it!
@ROE1300
@ROE1300 2 года назад
Beautiful long gun. Thank you for sharing.
@ILoveMuzzleloading
@ILoveMuzzleloading 2 года назад
You are very welcome!
@thesquirreltail4570
@thesquirreltail4570 2 года назад
The next long rifle I am going to make will be a Beck inspired rifle thanks for the great video
@uriah-s97
@uriah-s97 Год назад
Wow!
@ENIGMAXII2112
@ENIGMAXII2112 Год назад
Very Lovley...
@noapologizes2018
@noapologizes2018 Год назад
A beautiful example of an American Long Rifle. Builders such as J.P. Beck were the da Vinci of gun makers. It's a pity that this part of history may be lost in time. Not enough young people interested.
@ILoveMuzzleloading
@ILoveMuzzleloading Год назад
I think there are a lot more young people interested now than ever. The future is bright.
@michaelconquergood9556
@michaelconquergood9556 Год назад
Keep up the good work and you'll be the next ian
@ILoveMuzzleloading
@ILoveMuzzleloading Год назад
Ian is certainly one of a kind, but thank you for the kind words.
@johnndavis7647
@johnndavis7647 12 дней назад
Being that it's a straight barrel and not a swamped barrel leads me to think that it was made as a smooth-rifle.
@Bhartrampf
@Bhartrampf 2 года назад
I used to have a smooth bore 50 cal rifle, it had a Remington barrel, and silver inlays and was full octagon, short sights, converted to percussion, half stocked, sadly the maker was ground off before I got it. Loaded like a shotgun, it was death on rabbits. I regret ever selling it. It was a really cool gun.
@robertwilliamson922
@robertwilliamson922 9 месяцев назад
No. You did not have a rifle. You had a smoothbore. A smoothbore with no rifling is not a rifle.
@Bhartrampf
@Bhartrampf 9 месяцев назад
@@robertwilliamson922 well, ok, it was a 50 cal rifle, then the rifling was removed to make it a smoothbore. In the literature they called it a smooth bore rifle, because it wasn't a shotgun or a trade gun and was built as a rifle. Some were even built on purpose, for meat hunters (the guys who got paid for it), because it could be loaded really heavy for buffalo, on down to shot for birds. So, how ever you want to call it, it was a heavy full length octagon barrel that could have rifling, but didn't and was stocked the same as a Ohio rifle and not a shotgun. So, as confusing to your brain as it may be, a smoothbore rifle is what it is. Rifle configuration, but Smooth bore. And yes, I do know that a actual rifle has rifling. I also know that a actual smooth bore is made like a shotgun.
@robertwilliamson922
@robertwilliamson922 9 месяцев назад
@@Bhartrampf It’s really quite simple: No rifling? Not a rifle. In order to be a rifle, it has to have rifling.
@Bhartrampf
@Bhartrampf 9 месяцев назад
@@robertwilliamson922 ok, what ever you say
@krockpotbroccoli65
@krockpotbroccoli65 2 года назад
I love it. Truly beautiful piece. No rifling, plain sideplate. Yeah. I agree that the man who commissioned this musket/ smooth rifle was a bit less than wealthy and didnt quite have the silver to pay for rifling or extra engraving. Really interesting to see the working class offerings of one of the finest gunsmiths of the 18th century.
@davefellhoelter1343
@davefellhoelter1343 2 года назад
Don't know about that? I'd bet whom ever paid for this gun ransomed some serious value in cion, service, or trade, knowing it would pass through the generations! this is no fur trading, Indian or war horse musket.
@robertwilliamson922
@robertwilliamson922 9 месяцев назад
Why are you calling a smoothbore a rifle ..if it does not have rifling ?
@jackblackpowderprepper4940
@jackblackpowderprepper4940 2 года назад
Beautiful works of art. Ethan I have an old Navy arms Zouave with a dead barrel. Inside is very dark, heavy pitting and not much rifling left. Should be able to use it as a Fowler right?
@ILoveMuzzleloading
@ILoveMuzzleloading 2 года назад
There is documentation showing that shot out or rusted out rifles were cleaned up and used a smoothbores. Might be good to get a second opinion from a local gunsmith if you have one to make sure it's still safe.
@jackblackpowderprepper4940
@jackblackpowderprepper4940 2 года назад
@@ILoveMuzzleloading Will do thanks Ethan.
@jackblackpowderprepper4940
@jackblackpowderprepper4940 2 года назад
@@ILoveMuzzleloading Took your advice with that Zouave. Gunsmith put a scope in the barrel. He said to use a heavy cleaning solvent and a stiff nylon brush, in his opinion he said it was buildup from the type of lube the previous owner used. Probably 80/90 from the smell. It cleaned up nice. Back to the range.
@davefellhoelter1343
@davefellhoelter1343 2 года назад
No That is ART! As a builder I see the WORK! Never mind the WORK with tools of the day! I think you passed the Patch Box and how the catch was joined to the lid? Looks to me like an economy of casting without a sacrifice in quality.
@ILoveMuzzleloading
@ILoveMuzzleloading 2 года назад
I couldn't agree more, it's a beautiful work of art. Sorry about glossing over that - the catch is a very traditional peened and cleaned catch pin
@burnsboysaresoldiers
@burnsboysaresoldiers 2 года назад
Gosh i want a pa long rifle. How do you think about SITTINGFOX for a traditional or early Lancaster rifle or smooth rifle.
@ILoveMuzzleloading
@ILoveMuzzleloading 2 года назад
I’ve not ordered from sitting Fox myself but you should definitely get a PA Longrifle though!
@burnsboysaresoldiers
@burnsboysaresoldiers 2 года назад
@@ILoveMuzzleloading my family is from Lancaster and chester counties so yeah definitely. I’m thinking an eary Lancaster style 20gauge smooth rifle. I know you can get 50yrd “minute of deer” accuracy with a smooth rifle and easier to clean
@jackblackpowderprepper4940
@jackblackpowderprepper4940 2 года назад
Before you buy one check out the channel Red Eagle Trapping Red. He does an entire series on the sitting fox.
@chestersmith1615
@chestersmith1615 Год назад
I'd love to have a gunsmith build me this gun
@anonyme7429
@anonyme7429 Год назад
It looks like a baker rifle interesting
@ILoveMuzzleloading
@ILoveMuzzleloading Год назад
Could be the Baker's cousin?
@alifr4088
@alifr4088 2 года назад
"Smoothbore flintlock american *longrifle* " I think the correct term for this is "smoothbore flintlock american *long musket* "
@ILoveMuzzleloading
@ILoveMuzzleloading 2 года назад
I thought so too at a time, but the term "Smooth Rifle" goes back to the 1730s korns.org/gunsmiths/misc-files-1262020/smooth-rifle-gun-2-20-2022.htm0s at least -
@robertwilliamson922
@robertwilliamson922 9 месяцев назад
@@ILoveMuzzleloading. It can’t possibly be a rifle if there is no rifling in the barrel.
@docr8197
@docr8197 Год назад
It's not a whale tail , it a rooster !
@michaeltrowbridge3221
@michaeltrowbridge3221 Год назад
An absolute work of art but I have to ask, why are you wearing gloves? I know the obvious would be so you do not get the oils from your hands all on it but have you thought about the oils and dirt on your face?
@robertwilliamson922
@robertwilliamson922 9 месяцев назад
“…Smoothbore American Flintlock Long Rifle”. I’m not sure how it can be both a smoothbore, and a rifle….at the same time. There’s no such thing as a “…smoothbore rifle”. If it has rifling…..it’s a rifle. If there is no rifling….it’s a smoothbore. Not a rifle.
@ILoveMuzzleloading
@ILoveMuzzleloading 9 месяцев назад
“The term "smooth rifle" is currently used to describe dual-purpose smoothbore muzzle loading long guns that incorporate rifle characteristics, including front and rear rifle-type open sights, thick-walled barrels, and rifle-style (versus fowler or musket-style) stock architecture” korns.org/gunsmiths/misc-files-1262020/smooth-rifle-gun-2-20-2022.htm#:~:text=The%20term%20%22smooth%20rifle%22%20is%20currently%20used%20to,and%20rifle-style%20%28versus%20fowler%20or%20musket-style%29%20stock%20architecture.
@robertwilliamson922
@robertwilliamson922 9 месяцев назад
@@ILoveMuzzleloading No rifling? Not a rifle. Period.
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