Is there a faster riding style between Hanging off and going Foot out? Does the different body positions provide different benefits in motorcycle racing? Add me on Instagram: mikeonbikesofficial
Your conclusion is consistent with that of Lee Parkes in a recent interview on the motojitsu channel. He also felt that repetition and experience of one style builds a higher skill level, and ability to make minor adjustments to perfect that style. It’s a bit of a muscle memory type of tale.
Good approach to this video. I think it should be mentioned that body position can only take you so far when you’re trying to go faster. It matters more how well you approach the corners, hit apexes, get good drive on the exit, and take correct lines between corners. Which all warrant their own video, at least, for a full explanation.
Great video - often wondered. On your results, I would (also) conclude that your second set (lap 7,8,9) is faster because you're properly warmed-up (regardless of style according to times). As for mix being quicker - this is (also) due to the fact that this is how you normally ride and you're more aggressive knowing your limits. It does make sense from a steering/geometry perspective that long sweeping curves are hang-out and tighter ones are foot-out (to me at least). Great vid - thanks!
For me its either Foot Out on extreme corners BUT on Easy corners, Foot out and Hanging off is not necessary at all. Also i dont think speed is the only thing to be considered. The weight distribution technique for better stability is totally different between the two methods in varying speeds. I also find footout to be much more forgiving for the rider in a lowside crash compared to hanging off. All that precious ground clearance goes to waste when hanging off as well.
Love the videos, maybe we will race some time! I find your assessment is accurate. At a big track I will hang off entirely, and at a kart track it will be all foot out.
Diogo Moreira at Alcarras GP showed that when you do the knee down technique right you can go faster. The kid won the GP and left behind all the big guys of the championship.
I feel like foot out only applies to motocross. That was the initial reasoning for foot coming off the bike in any sport nowadays, It originated in the burm. It has slowly transgressed into every other two wheeled sport. With the motor.
The difference can't be tested with an amateur rider; they have to be tested from a pro rider that goes really fast with both styles to really understand the difference
The only other observation is your times were quicker after the tyres were well and truly warmed up in both sessions. Good video. Would be interesting to see telemetry for corners as comparison.
Bind somthing heavy to your feet then only advantage of leg dangle or foot out technique will get highlighted. I think it helps to counter the rear end loosing-coming forward' while breaking on tight corner. It increases the lateral moment of inertia by widening the weight distribution of riders' body. 🤔
Good clip and probably one of the most interesting parts of riding supermotos... The ability of the bike and rider technique....And to add to the mix...I also with some tight high speed corners go leg out to start and then tuck in... immitating Motogp style...Ive been able to get rid of the chicken strips on the front tyre with this technique... on road too, not track.
I change my form on dirt and road. Leg out to catch my self at lower speeds and hang off when on asphalt. I thinks that's why motocross was probably an influence on the this form or technique.
enjoy ur vids.whatever technique gets th job done is kool.im ol flat track racer frm th 6os 7os,short track ,half mile n th mile..i stil lik to toss my little supermoto on its cases, back it in to scrub off speed,squaring th corner then track thru apex,at this point my knee can b under handlebar against my arm n tight corners physically holding her down..im 75yrs old so giv me sum slack for th ramble,i shouldnt b going this quick but i lik th feeling.also going into or out of sum corners i leg dangle alot to hold my line or simply put a knee out .actually i dnt think jst muscle memory..check out sum old mile races like ama du quion mile scott parker n kevin atherton..very close ,fast racing..
You are clearly more comfortable hanging-off. You have a lot of room in improving your technique backing it in and your body language in foot-out. The mixed style might be okay up to the Pro level, at that point foot-out rules! Getting the foot-out technique just right takes a lot longer to learn than hanging-off. It would be interesting to see you keep practicing backing it in & foot-out method and go compare the two again in the future. Great video though and keep it up!!!
Not all engines make power after a certain RPM. Therefore, shifting at the specific RPM where the engine makes its power makes for quicker acceleration.
Ya but a 450 makes power in every gear... he is shifting 1 gear then doesn’t build rpm and shifts again... I’m wondering why also cuz there’s no way he makes more power in let’s say 4th gear compared to 3rd for example
Why can't you brake later while hanging off? Hanging off keeps the bike more upright so it's got to be a faster cornering technique. I think Valentino Rossi is fast for some other reason other than the leg out thing.
How would you say seat height affects foot out? I'm starting to think lower seat height bikes have a harder time doing foot out, because there is less space. Is this correct?
I was watching earlier Rallye Moto des Coteaux 2019. it had mix type of bikes. I was thinking if these supersport bike guys foot out would had been faster on that super tight corner?
Nice video Mike! Apologies if this has been asked before, but which seat is that? Looks like it has some stomp grip-ish areas; I recently switched to SM and I can't figure out how to keep my weight from my arms in hard braking.
Great video! Just LOL at all the comments about short-shifting... Ride a single cylinder racebike like the FS450 you dummies and maybe you will understand. Even a 701 is drastically different from any 3-4 cylinder bike when it comes to shifting, the gears are MUCH shorter.
Dont be fooled by the sound.. its a 1 cyl. Bike... Hes probably around 7k... I know my wr peaks at 8k but on a kart track you dont need all the power... Its more about flow...
dude so i never "foot-out" but i do use that exact body positioning technique with the backend slide on tight corners maybe cuz i am self taught on my supermotoing and always felt more comfortable keeping my foot in but the rest of my body is contorted into the foot-out position especially when im sweeping tight corners, but i use the whole technique to sweep (drift) the corner faster then grab traction and use the centrifugal force to add traction as i shift into that torque band on the way out of the corner
Aesthetically, the hanging off style looks more refined and elegant. The foot out style looks like it says, “whoa, I’m going in way too hot, better put my foot out.” The hanging off style says, “no problem, I got it handled.”
What if keeping the foot on the peg and not hanging off makes me most comfortable? Other than extreme lean angle resulting in the foot possibly hitting the asphalt, is there any reason to put the foot out? I layed my supermoto over today to see how far it has to got to drag a peg and I would say the precise lean angle is "far as fuck". Now the foot often hangs below the peg, but why not simply put your toes on the peg instead of hanging your entire leg out?
Have you tried putting weight on the inside foot peg? It seems that this would provide even better physics than leaning out because it is lowering your center of gravity. Sometimes when I come in too hot in a corner, I find that putting my weight on the inside peg saves me.
Maybe you just push the bike in the corner (holding the lean angle) with the inside peg stepping. That is why it feels saving, otherwise your brain would have risen the bike to abort.
Watching S1gp the best riders in the world most of them are foot out. But it depends what you are riding. You’re gonna do knee out if you are dirt? Idk just riding preference
hanging out is done incorrect way, and it's a bit incorrect bike for hanging out, i know one girl from moto3 and she rides small supermoto bike on cart track, as bike is small it's uncomfortable to foot out without wasting time, so hanging out is faster, but on high bike leg out will be faster and more stable because of riding position. Actually even with leg out you do hanging out, all weight goes to outer foot rest, and body angle should be more than bike lean angle, as much as possible. On sport bike you just can hang out more than on supermoto because tank helps to hold on bike. On enduro track hanging out will also help to ride faster but you might lose traction and while hanging out it's hard to save bike from falling.
So theoretically it would be the fastest to break into a corner with your leg out then switch to a hang-off. But i guess thats a little hard to pull off.
@@HochstartHarry Indeed it was. Just the concentration (fatigue) of having repeat the same technique every corner in stead of taking it like it feels the best (gut feeling) makes it slower. Pilot experience is the most powerful computer to analyze cornering. You do a fantastic job trying to explain it.👍
@@daviddewilde8041 you have a point.. but i guess in a natural habitat you do whatfeels right anyways.. he was just showing that foot out has its pros, but so does knee down... It really depends on the Turn and you cant say that either one is better, it just depends..
Not sure why but knee down seems to be an upcoming trend, all the old supermoto hero's used foot out. I personally think hanging off looks foolish on a supermoto. What's next. knee out on a motocross track ?