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Harley Davidson Pan America regrets? 

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My thoughts on my 22 Harley Davidson Pan America Special. I talk about what I've done, troubles I've encounterd and my thoughts on in after 15 thousand miles. Still happy? How's it performing? Should you buy one?
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@stevenwhitman
@stevenwhitman 3 месяца назад
I just saw your video. I have a 21 PAS with over 42,000 mi on it. I've ridden across the country several times, to Prudhoe Bay in Alaska on the Dalton highway, logging roads and some very rough and rocky off-road trails (it has the scratches to show). I Love My Pan America. Best motorcycle Harley's ever made in my opinion. It's a blast on the road and off.
@MinnowMoto
@MinnowMoto 3 месяца назад
WOW! So far you are the winner. I have not heard of any Pan America with that kind of milage. Sounds like you have some amzing rides. I'm so jealous. Think I may try a cross country trip in 25. May just be wishful thinking lol. RIde safe and thank you for watching. 100% most fun I've ever had on a motorcycle.
@stevenwhitman
@stevenwhitman 3 месяца назад
I'll be putting an additional 3000 miles on at the end of May as I plan to ride from Bisbee, AZ to Laconia NH via Roswell, Pat's Peak, Milwaukee, and then through Canada and down into New England. Still planning the route and looking for some off road sections as well.
@ManuelLopez-fb7or
@ManuelLopez-fb7or 5 месяцев назад
I baught a 2023 and watching your videos I feel better about my purchase thank you
@MinnowMoto
@MinnowMoto 5 месяцев назад
These bikes are only getting better each year. I have not had this much fun in a long time. Thanks for watching!
@nw2732
@nw2732 3 месяца назад
Great video! I have a 22” with just over 20,000 . It’s a love hate relationship! I’ve had the same RH control replacement but my main issue is the fuel pump! 4 fuel pump replacements and it’s on the 5th one now! It’s like clockwork right in between the 5,000 mile service!dealership said they’re not replacing it just yet because it’s not as loud as the previous 🤦🏻I think I have a lemon at this point! Just swapping out/Replacing the fuel pump isn’t working or solving anything! I did the same things I tried different gas station thinking it was a fuel quality issue, tried keeping the fuel levels up past the last quarter tank. I live in the PNW and ride year round so it’s not the heat/ warmth of the outside temperature. It has to be some kind of electrical issues or the fuel pump itself it a flawed design and needs to be recalled and redesigned!! It’s still one of my favorite motorcycles but………..
@MinnowMoto
@MinnowMoto 3 месяца назад
Wow you are really feeling the fuel pump pain. I hear Honda just did a huge recall. There has to be some manufacturing issues happening. Love the high milage stories. I'm 2 years into ownership and love this bike. Thanks for watching.
@KrakensGarageandAdventures
@KrakensGarageandAdventures 5 месяцев назад
Thers a heck of a lot of upgrades on your PA, Jerry. Great, great, video!
@MinnowMoto
@MinnowMoto 5 месяцев назад
Thanks Kracken. Now its time to just laydown the miles. Maybe we can do a lunch or somthing this season. Spring is coming.
@Spargowombat
@Spargowombat 4 месяца назад
I’ve done 37,000 kms on my 21. I went through 4 batteries until starter clutch replaced. Also 2 exhausts, fuel pump and the clutch but still love it. I too have Aeedea highway pegs ; they’re great. I did a 12,000 km trip, camping most of the time. Standard panniers, top box and tank bag plus bag on seat worked great. I used your info for wiring accessories. Thanks muchly
@MinnowMoto
@MinnowMoto 4 месяца назад
Glad you found that video useful and thanks for watching. Some of those 21's really tested the riders but it sounds like you are enjoying it. Ride safe!
@Opposable_Thumb
@Opposable_Thumb 5 месяцев назад
Great video! Looks like you’ve got your bike really well set up.
@MinnowMoto
@MinnowMoto 5 месяцев назад
I'm in the sweet spot. All thats left is to ride it. Thanks for watching.
@BigSmittyRiding
@BigSmittyRiding 4 месяца назад
Man you’ve done a lot of stuff to it Jerry! Very cool video buddy!
@MinnowMoto
@MinnowMoto 4 месяца назад
Some would say too much. I'm in a good spot now. All I should have to do is ride!!!! Thanks for watching.
@jeffwilliams716
@jeffwilliams716 5 месяцев назад
Thanks for all that information! I'm going to have to test ride one now. 💪💪👌👌
@MinnowMoto
@MinnowMoto 5 месяцев назад
If you like this style of bike, its totally worth considering. Find a demo truck or some dealers actucally let you do test rides. I wish all brands offered that. Thanks for watching.
@dan_der_flieger
@dan_der_flieger 5 месяцев назад
Nice one! I didn't realize how many upgrades you'd added.
@MinnowMoto
@MinnowMoto 5 месяцев назад
Thanks, Yeah. I am all kitted out and ready to roll!
@13_Cowboy
@13_Cowboy 4 месяца назад
Thanks for the video. Mine has 37,000km/23,000mi and I had all the electrical gremlins you speak of and more, leaving me stranded once and ruining two or three big trips. Still, street, offroad, camping, still love it after working out the gremlins. The Anakee Wilds are amazing offroad and wear out very fast on-road, but survived one week-long Switzerland, France and Italy trip with 20% heavy offroad and the back was done. I use the Quadlock charger with my quadlock wireless charging setup like yours (also with the vibration damper), but the built-in USB charger on the right side worked in a pinch. (iPhone)
@MinnowMoto
@MinnowMoto 3 месяца назад
Wow, you are killing it out ther. stories like this make me want to just get out and go!. I've never used that built in changer. At first they said don't use it but then they changed thier mind. Thanks for watching and ride safe!!!
@RoysMotoVentures
@RoysMotoVentures 5 месяцев назад
lot of upgrades, nice video 👍
@MinnowMoto
@MinnowMoto 5 месяцев назад
Thanks Roy. I'm closing the wallet this year and just focusing on rides. NY is not that far :)
@GoofyBastard
@GoofyBastard 5 месяцев назад
Damn Jerry you did a lot to the Pan Am!!! Some great upgrades!!
@MinnowMoto
@MinnowMoto 5 месяцев назад
Thanks! I feel its done. Not sure what else I could do? A different windscreen? Just trying an enjoying it. Hope to cross paths with you sometime this season. I've been looking at the PA Buckllist websiite :) Ride safe myfriend.
@GoofyBastard
@GoofyBastard 5 месяцев назад
@@MinnowMoto would definitely like to meet up! We could probably do that!!
@bobnelson2499
@bobnelson2499 4 месяца назад
Great information sir. I thought that when we met that your bike looked fantastic. We will meet again.
@MinnowMoto
@MinnowMoto 4 месяца назад
Can't wait!
@FTStratLP
@FTStratLP 5 месяцев назад
Thanks for sharing this video👍. You have got a new subsrciber. 🙂
@MinnowMoto
@MinnowMoto 5 месяцев назад
Thanks for the Sub and Watching. Hope I don't bore ya! Ride safe.
@AceCafeBikes
@AceCafeBikes 5 месяцев назад
Nice review. If I was close, I would love to bump into you. ❤
@MinnowMoto
@MinnowMoto 5 месяцев назад
Thanks and Right. I wanna play in that garage you have. Maybe next year I will do a cross country tour.
@AceCafeBikes
@AceCafeBikes 5 месяцев назад
@@MinnowMoto That would be awesome
@RoadReality
@RoadReality 5 месяцев назад
Man, that was THOROUGH! Good job :D Where will I be in 2024? On the road... probably close to home. Come on down and we can play in traffic together LOL.
@MinnowMoto
@MinnowMoto 5 месяцев назад
Yeah, totally have to meet up this year. So close but so far lol
@RoadReality
@RoadReality 5 месяцев назад
@@MinnowMoto I know, right? Scheduling is hard.
@Ucmpigs
@Ucmpigs 5 месяцев назад
Nice walk around Jerry! I was with you for both your problems…maybe it was me (Shifter and fuel pump)….Dolemite???? Wasn’t that a movie back in 1975 about a Pimp?😂😂😂😂
@MinnowMoto
@MinnowMoto 5 месяцев назад
Yeah. its always better to have buddies around when you have issues. Dolemite was the big pimp, I even they they did a remake not long ago. I probably pronnounced it wrong. Dolomiti is suppose to refer to some mountains in Italy I believe. Learning is half the battle. hahah. Thanks for watching.
@nevillegrego7112
@nevillegrego7112 5 месяцев назад
Me too! I've had none of the electrical gremlins others have experienced on my 2021 (ie. after the starter clutch gear was replaced under warranty). I have no reason to upgrade to a 2024 as there are no real performance or infotainment/connectivity system improvements but if I was to get a new bike, it would certainly be the 2024 PAm. BTW, regarding the Aeedea highway pegs, they are the most adjustable/practical setup I've ever seen and I say that the industrial look, while not everyones cup of tea, certainly complements with the looks of the PAm.
@MinnowMoto
@MinnowMoto 5 месяцев назад
I appreaciate all the work the company has put in to the upgrades. Someone is listing. Thanks so much for watching and commenting. Ride safe!
@paulwojnar2291
@paulwojnar2291 5 месяцев назад
Great informative video. Owner of a 2022 PA Special from new. Currently have 22,089 miles . Only issue noisy fuel pump replaced promptly at 21000 miles under warranty.. I agree about running the tank low and I refuel at 180 miles into a tankful anymore. Also love the Scorchers and still run them. Put the AEE DEA Hwy pegs on as soon as I saw Snowbird put them on his bike. They are great. They are ugly and I like that they are ugly because they fit right in the ugly of the bike which I also love. I use my bike for pavement only commuting and sport touring. In that capacity thus bike shines. Like you I consider this one of the very best all around and fun bikes I have ever owned. Love your videos info and enthusiasm. I am subscribed and .will be watching for your coming videos .. Thank you
@MinnowMoto
@MinnowMoto 5 месяцев назад
Thanks for watching and the sub. I think that 180 miles may be the sweet spot for keeping that fuel pump happy. This bike loves the open road. Power for days! Ride safe.
@needmetal3221
@needmetal3221 5 месяцев назад
These bikes are beautiful in their purity of design and level of function. I feel the same way about my vfr1200 honda.
@paulwojnar2291
@paulwojnar2291 5 месяцев назад
@needmetal3221 Vfr 1200 in Black. Gorgeous machine. I love every generation of VFRs the 800F being my fave of the series.
@MinnowMoto
@MinnowMoto 5 месяцев назад
@@needmetal3221 I hade a 93 VFR in that Pearl white. I loved it. I wish they kept that line going. The 1200 was so trick. I really wish they stuck around longer.
@MinnowMoto
@MinnowMoto 5 месяцев назад
@@paulwojnar2291 Agreed. I had a 93' and wish I would have grabbed a later version. Perfect fit between the sports bike and tourer.
@JayShermanFJC
@JayShermanFJC 4 месяца назад
I bought a new 21 late in that first season and put about 16k miles on it. I had the fuel pump issue right at 6500 miles like most people. I put another 10k on it with it squealing because my dealer couldn't get a replacement. I had issues with the ARH right after the 5k service and software update, it wouldn't lower unless I turned off the bike and restarted it. I didn't have any display issues but there was an issue if I shut the bike off I had to walk away from it for about 30 seconds before I could come back and start it back up or I would get the squeal or the bike would just restart the electronics. I think the restarting of the electronics was because of the small battery and I didn't keep it on a tender, it was rode daily. The final straw was when it stalled going down the highway at 70 mph. I didn't kill switch myself which was almost common for me on that bike. Thankfully it started back up and got home. The following tuesday I started the process of trading it on a used 21 Road King Special I found in SVG paint. I don't regret buying it and had a lot of fun on it but would I buy another? Probably not, I'll stick to my never go anywhere fast KLR650 and my RKS.
@MinnowMoto
@MinnowMoto 4 месяца назад
You really gave the bike a shot. I agree about reliability. If it's not there it's time to go. I tested the RKS last summer. I liked it. My legs felt a little cramped, they suggest forward controls but did not have any to try out. Tha KS for watching and ride safe.
@Jarvisbiker
@Jarvisbiker 5 месяцев назад
I like those Hiway pegs !!
@MinnowMoto
@MinnowMoto 5 месяцев назад
They are ugly but they work great. Thanks for watching. Spring is in the air.
@Mike-zn3gd
@Mike-zn3gd 5 месяцев назад
I have a ‘21 and have done pretty much the same upgrades. I have replaced the fuel pump as well, plus the exhaust shield fell off and I got the VIN error. Everything was fixed on warranty and the bike never left me stranded. My dealer has basically learned everything from my bike as there aren’t many arround here. 😄 I got lots of codes over the years but they all cleared and I would say the software updates fixed pretty much all of them and most of it was due to the underpowered battery they used in the 21 models. Would I buy another one. Yes. It is fast fun and fits me perfectly.
@MinnowMoto
@MinnowMoto 5 месяцев назад
Yeah, they really listened with those software updates. 100% agree withe the "It is fast fun and fits me perfectly". Perfect bike for me. Thank you for watching.
@TheBlueBikeDoyle
@TheBlueBikeDoyle 5 месяцев назад
Good deal
@MinnowMoto
@MinnowMoto 5 месяцев назад
Thanks Doyle! Spring is in the air. Stop dicken around lol
@TimRHillard
@TimRHillard 4 месяца назад
That looks pretty clean, have you been offroad? Wow, that baby's got back😁, my goodness that's wide. I live in SoCal, and yes, I lane split. Allot. My normal bags on GSA are out too far and usually ride only top box.
@MinnowMoto
@MinnowMoto 4 месяца назад
Thanks for watching. Yeah no way to split lates with this big guy. Those factory sport cases tuck in much further. I bet they would work. Off road is anymore is around the state parks. Fire Roads, or Dirt packed trails. Some mud and rocks but nothing too technical. When I did offroad the bike did great. It could power out of or over anything. I would have had more fun more on a smaller dual sport bike. The sitting positin on the Adv Bikes like the old school standards. More upright than a sportbike, and not laidback like a cruiser. It really fits my body type. lol Ride safe!
@TimRHillard
@TimRHillard 4 месяца назад
Thanks for your response. Can you stand with those bars? I tend to go too far offroad and end up dumping mine. But I gave bars that'd probably hold up from a helicopter drop! @@MinnowMoto
@MinnowMoto
@MinnowMoto 4 месяца назад
@@TimRHillard I went with the HeliBar riser. They are rock solid. 2 inches higher and 2 inches back. Thats about the furthest you could go without having to change any of the cables. Yes they work well off road. It does help with control when standing.
@Eds_PanAm
@Eds_PanAm 5 месяцев назад
Jerry, i have my usb hooked up the same way in that heated gear plug, I think it charges extremely slow, and I noticed that I bet if you just hardwire the one that you have mounted already that will solve your issue
@MinnowMoto
@MinnowMoto 5 месяцев назад
Thanks for watching and great share. I'm doing it this weeked. I hope that works.
@billyflanagan9657
@billyflanagan9657 3 месяца назад
I am buying a 2024 with the electrical upgrades. Hope I don't regret it
@MinnowMoto
@MinnowMoto 3 месяца назад
Good call. That's the one I would be looking at. Ride safe!
@greenrush4313
@greenrush4313 5 месяцев назад
quick shifter is fun, The best bike i have ever owned. Ive owned many harleys , fat boys , streetglide cvo 4 of them. dyna and even custom choppers.I have had my GI edition since dec. They had 2 new ones just sitting after the test drive i knew.I would of got the CVO pan but i have almost every option you can add at this point and i like the green.
@MinnowMoto
@MinnowMoto 5 месяцев назад
Thanks for watching. I go though phases with the quick shifter. It is fun when you really want to wind that motor out. This was my 1st HD and I couldnt be happier with it. That GI edition is pretty cool. I'm in the same book as you as far options. I 'm pretty much kitted out. I am looking for a tank back. I miss not having one.
@Deavo56
@Deavo56 5 месяцев назад
@@MinnowMoto Enjoyed your video-I'm a long time GS rider, and used to always the BMW giant tank bags-until I switched to a MoscoMoto Nomax tank bag...check it out, not huge capacity,but perfectly organized to carry all of your important stuff. Had mine for 3-4 years now, and planning to get the current one that has an extra compartment...
@MinnowMoto
@MinnowMoto 5 месяцев назад
@@Deavo56 I am hearing great things about those thank bags. I will totally check those out. Thanks for watching.
@larryboody6737
@larryboody6737 5 месяцев назад
Owned one for two years. I tried to like it but ended up hating it. Scraped it off my shoe last June. I think that the defective starter clutch gear, common on 2021 models was the biggest deal killer. It was eventually fixed but the damage was done to my enthusiasm.
@MinnowMoto
@MinnowMoto 5 месяцев назад
That sucks. Personally as soon I found a bike (or car) un reliable I would have done the same thing. Knowing its going to start when you hit that buttonis a bigh deal. Ride safe.
@BlackphoenixEntertainment
@BlackphoenixEntertainment 5 месяцев назад
I wonder what the average mileage is on a Pan America. Glad it's been good to you so far.
@MinnowMoto
@MinnowMoto 5 месяцев назад
Ha. I have an app for that. In '23 10k miles I averaged 41.93 MPG. In a 5.7 gallon take that is great range. Thanks for watching.
@BikesBeardsAndBrews
@BikesBeardsAndBrews 5 месяцев назад
next stop Pan AM CVO!
@MinnowMoto
@MinnowMoto 5 месяцев назад
If I was ready for a new bike, I probably would have taken a look at it. However the Pan Americas do not retain value like the other HD's bikes. May not be worth it. I'd like to check the value on this in another year or so.
@royhall3760
@royhall3760 5 месяцев назад
New subber
@MinnowMoto
@MinnowMoto 5 месяцев назад
Thanks Roy!
@ski4ahigh215
@ski4ahigh215 4 месяца назад
I stopped by the local dealership yesterday and am giving some serious thought about getting a 2024 Pan America.
@MinnowMoto
@MinnowMoto 4 месяца назад
Buying a new bike is aways fun. Guess its no secret I love my Pan America. Thanks for watching and have fun shopping.
@ski4ahigh215
@ski4ahigh215 4 месяца назад
@@MinnowMoto Got it! Purchased a 2024 Pan America. Picked it up yesterday and did a 160 mile ride today. Your videos helped. Thanks.
@MinnowMoto
@MinnowMoto 4 месяца назад
@@ski4ahigh215 Congradulations and ride safe!
@wwb7091
@wwb7091 4 месяца назад
".... I do like heated gear...." It's because you're old, and being old, you got smart. Ask me how I know.
@jasonbrentzel8820
@jasonbrentzel8820 4 месяца назад
What heated gear are you running? You look like a big guy like me. I’m 6’3” 350 so tough to find gear.
@MinnowMoto
@MinnowMoto 4 месяца назад
I'm running with the HD jacket liner. It's pretty big. Finishing up a review now. There is a place by me called California Heat. They sell all kinds of heated gear. Amazing size selection. Lifetime guarantee. Most of my chapters wear this gear. www.california-heat.com/.
@artvertex4152
@artvertex4152 5 месяцев назад
I got a 22 Nightster 975. The dealer told me frankly that there there will be an electrical gremlin so they give me 15% discount. They will deal with the gremlin as they come. There was indeed them gremlins during the first month. 😂 However the dealer kept their word. After 2 updates the bike works perfectly every day for a year now.
@MinnowMoto
@MinnowMoto 5 месяцев назад
That is awesome. Great service and a good deal. It seems like each update these bikes get better and better. Glad you're enjoying the bike. These motors are so much fun. Thanks for watching and ride safe!
@brucem8129
@brucem8129 5 месяцев назад
Good update. Are the lights worth it?
@MinnowMoto
@MinnowMoto 5 месяцев назад
I love the lights. The new LEDs do a great job getting down the road ( that come with the bike), but the running lights have a nice spread across. Especially on the dark country back roads. I do not know If you need to go HD, but the HD harness would make for an easy install. The Denali looks like an amazing system but when you get in to the canbus the price jumps up quick. Thanks for watching.
@n8ivelum
@n8ivelum 5 месяцев назад
​@@MinnowMoto Can confirm 😂
@royhall3760
@royhall3760 5 месяцев назад
what about the heat?
@MinnowMoto
@MinnowMoto 5 месяцев назад
In slow traffic my right foot would get warm on the stock footbeg. I added a larger foot peg that give me a little more wiggle room so it's not bad. I use to have a Honda with a V4 motor. I feel that put off way more heat that my Pan America. Thanks for watching.
@paulwojnar2291
@paulwojnar2291 4 месяца назад
Here in the North East I welcome the engine heat. Especially this time of year .
@jasonadams4300
@jasonadams4300 4 месяца назад
Funny. Wildcardadventures had no issues until he laid it down on dirt with a right hand turn....can't wait to see how his lawsuit bites his arse.😅
@MinnowMoto
@MinnowMoto 4 месяца назад
I was watching his adventure all along and felt bad. He seemed to have a lemmon. The 24s did beef up the electrical system. I wonder if that right hand control switch was root cause. When mine was replaced they were a bunch of updates made to the the control module. Thanks for watching .
@jasonadams4300
@jasonadams4300 4 месяца назад
@MinnowMoto I don't. If you knew him personally for too long you may not as well. I sent the video to Pioneers Harley. One doesn't accuse others of rape, child molestation and murder and not pay for it. His lawyers are the only ones getting paid. My vendetta though. Sorry for the drama.
@GaryFackler
@GaryFackler 5 месяцев назад
Do you ever actually >ride< the bike?
@MinnowMoto
@MinnowMoto 5 месяцев назад
Every chance I get. Just about 15k on the dial. 10k Last year and hoping to crush that in 24'. It puts a smile on my face every time I twist that throttle. I work from home so no commute. Those are all pleasure miles :)
@carlsitler9071
@carlsitler9071 4 месяца назад
That isn't a Harley. Harleys are air cooled and have a carburetor.
@tonypalermo5796
@tonypalermo5796 4 месяца назад
Complete garbage. Try a BMW for a real bike with reliability and value.
@Yourtimewillcome999
@Yourtimewillcome999 4 месяца назад
I respect your opinion but not really sure why you’ve watched the video if you think these bikes are complete garbage.
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