Has Aliexpress Motherboard Science Gone Too Far? 

Dawid should do a round 2 testing with the proper RAM speed, that could fix the CPU bottleneck

@@mcslender2965 IDK if it would change much, it was only using Slot1/2 so it's single-channel.

Is there a way to do continuos boost speed?

@@Jimmys_TheBestCop using throttlestop, yes. it can also be used to undervolt as with laptop cpus performance is usually changed via a power limit, you can get it to squeeze more into its small power limit by undervolting it, it also has the side effect of reducing heat. you can also increase that power limit, though unless its a u series i cant recommend it, i know those have lots of headroom but i dont know about others. look into it before increasing power limits.

Do you have one of these things and have you worked it hard for any length of time? I'm actually considering getting one (Not for gaming)

Price to performance is the way in all countries with lower than average economy / dollar value

Honestly if you can find one with a Ryzen 6000 APU on it you'll have yourself a very slick little gaming machine. The 6980HX is a monster of a mobile chip and the iGPU is comparable to the RX6400 or 6500 with the power sliders maxed out.

@@mikeymaiku I'd say it's the way everywhere, why waste money even if you have it? You could spend it on other nice things. BTW: World average gdp per capita is 12k$/a, Brazil is 18, so well above average.

That’s cool! They do seem like really good value for money. Not surprised they are popular. 😁

@@DigitalJedi can i get a link?

yeah

I think this might actually be more powerful than one of those old Xeons. Would be worth comparing.

They used to be. Now it's not a good option anymore. Besides, they are not that reliable either, I very recently built one for a friend and the front audio didn't work.

yes, especially the x99 ones with a sketchy motherboard - would like to see it with Dawid.

​@@MiGujack3nobody uses front audio

Engaging with your comment to get it higher up!

nice

Agreed! And it’s surprisingly powerful.

got an aliexpress i9 9980hk running on an h110 motherboard running great as efficent game server

@@kevinheimann7664 yep. I opted for the xeon 2286 8c16t chip over that one. Running in a b250i strix but im considering making a nas/plex server with dual tesla p4s connected with a m.2 adatpor for the 2nd card. Will be cool to get it in under 5L :o

🤔I could understand if it was your CPU that died as for us down here in Australia the i7-11700F is $459AUD & i7-11800H version is $344.90AUD, but if it is the Mobo that died not so much because even if I was on last gen LGA1200 or AM4 I can get a decent new Mobo for $150-$200AUD meaning I have $150-$200AUD extra for a LGA1700 or AM5 platform upgrade.

​@@kevinheimann7664 give me link bro

@Silvio Balaško yeah, transport services are quite finnicky with battery transportation, i've bought a motherboard from Ali, most sellers will tell you it's without battery for transport safety, i'd imagine CR2032s are based of lithium, which is a big no-no, specially on a plane

@Silvio Balaško some places worldwide won't accept shipping anything containing a removable battery

no, its bc its illigal to send baterios cause fire hazzard

And the best performing.

@Silvio Balaško This. Been that way for decades. Used to be a pain in the butt for me when we shipped certain systems and couldn't pre configure the bios properly because we had to pull the battery before shipping the system.

What terms ddi you search for to find them?

I am thinking of doing the same, didn't do it yet because I dont know if I can use hardware transcoding on Plex , did you happen to try it ?

@@stathisdespoudis42 I've got the 1.8 ES version running unRAID and hardware transcoding is working fine , can't beat it for the £100 It cost. Only had it running for about a week but so far no problems

@@stathisdespoudis42 the chip should be good. Otherwise the igpu wouldnt be usable. Now software accepting the chip who knows

I just got an i7 variant for the same exact reason!

Not that weird, there is a surplus of laptop CPUs and GPUs due to recession and reduction in purchasing power. These companies buy them in bulk and sell them as cheap desktop PC parts

@@aleksazunjic9672 I was wondering if they were buying up broken laptops with CPU and GPU chips still intact

Built in gpu or CPU?

@@Пойонеп Usually no, there are lot of unused CPU and GPU chips sitting in warehouses. These could not be sold to general public, so they wait for manufacturers like this one .

Most CPUs have integrated graphics these days man. The only difference here is that it's a laptop part soldered directly to the mobo. Why you would be this cheap us beyond me. And video on mobos? Yeah you could find some mobos like that pre 2010. Mobos that used Nvidia's later nForce chipsets for example had Nvidia laptop video cards on them because the 8k/9k Geforce series cards were super hot and super power hungry so they decided to let you dynamically switch to a lower power GPU on the mobo. The feature was called Hybrid Power and there was also something called Hybrid SLI (with a Geforce 8200 or 8400 with DDR2). They dropped support for everything like 2 years later lol. The onboard video is basically a Geforce 8200m which I'm still using right now woohoo! I'm actually having compatibility problems with a new dedicated card I just bought so yeah, I'm watching some tech vids to sooth my anger and frustration...

Enable overclock on advance tab, on pch chipset tab find the only option with TRUE or FALSE configurations and set to FALSE and then you set XMP and ram voltage and it works.

i wonder if you can overclock the cpu for maybe more performance?

I have my eye on the "lowly" I5-1250P, ITX form Factor, but I'm not holding my breath..

@@poop-bq9evjust buy regular desktop cpu, It will be more powerfull

@@poop-bq9ev You can. These ES chips have no restrictions on them. Even XTU works as normal.

Many AliExpress sellers are telling batteries not included due the strict restrictions on Chinese airlines, but then when the product arrives it still has batteries included or installed. 😉

Also batteries and air freight.. not a great combo

theyre cheap and can be found anywhere local electric shops, its 2242 or smth 3.3v

watch battery

​@@iikatinggangsengii2471 It's ironic that they Sell those Batteries in bulk on AliExpress and Alibaba and on Amazon direct from China and Taiwan.

Yeah, I always click like when the video starts because I never don't like it. It's automatic, like breathing. I know it'll be funny and entertaining. I'm glad my cat woke me up early for this

Simping hard huh?

​@@denis2381 being an asshole huh?

@@denis2381 stuck in 2019 huh?

Same

i would get one just so i can run unlocked for low power usage. i would love to tweak it for a 250w max power solution

theres a few kits with and i7 that are going for like $320 Cad. mobo, CPU, Ram, SSD. killer deal for like a budget gaming PC.

@@HavokR505 the higher bin chip for the engineering sample runs 4.5 and is like 220

They did. One of my friends bought one last year from the local version of Aliexpress in China and made a tiny ITX PC with that

That’s a good point. ITX does make a whole lot of sense for something like this.

Well, that has been officially done aswell tho *cough* RX 6400 and 6500XT *cough*

Can you please tell me a product where they managed to get a laptop gpu to work on a desktop?

​​@@bfmvshinigamisorry it's late but there's tons of mobile rtx 3070s and ryzen 6600ms. Like they were everywhere for a while.

Hi, i am looking top build an unraid plex server with one of mobo/CPU combos. Does the hardware transcoding work without problems/crashes ?

I've only had it running for about a week but so far it's been stable, hardware transcoding is working great, super low temps and power draw and boosting to 4.1 when needed. The only problem I had was if the top nvme was populated it wouldn't detect my sas controller on the pcie slot, moved it down to the bottom one and it worked fine.

@@jamiemallett7448 thank you very much!

@@jamiemallett7448 hi, have you done any idle power consumption tests? Maybe also using powertop?

Do you remember how much you paid for it? I am curious if it can be an economically viable alternative.

@@markkocsicska2590 I paid 178 us dollars, o think the price is very cheap for a i9

@@ottoguilherme5026 i9+motherboard. Not a bad price at all.

just buy 20$ heat sinks ez fix

@@musouisshin you can get them for like pennies on aliexpress with thier massive discounts for stuff like this all the time

I wanted to send my girlfriend a laptop, she's in the Philippines, and I couldn't send it using their own postal service because of the battery but DHL could have shipped it directly to her house for about US$50 from the UK. The battery thing sucks though!!!

Same, I miss the old UI so much!

And pick up some AliExpress RAM, case, couple of fans, NVME.....all aliex special.

@@yesterdaysjam2405 well it can't be a desktop gpu on a desktop pcb, it needs to be a laptop gpu on a desktop pcb so it can be a cursed laptop other than that I agree 100%

And take a laptop display and make it a desktop one with one of those weird adapter kits.

I'm guessing this is why the CPU seems to always remain well below 100% in the video.

thanks for the citation friend!

Lol I have an Asus TUF laptop with an i7 11800h and a 3060. It's actually fairly crappy compared to a desktop 11700/3060

@@100500daniel yeah that's only a 95W model no?

@@theboogerbomb yea plus no mux switch.

I suggest the AliExpress 6600m instead. Less fiddling with custom driver

@@100500daniel given you're already running at low FPS a mux won't impact performance majorly

ayo 🤨📸

It would detect it properly, Windows is just - on, code is that, I'll display it.

No, is an ES chip, it will report the same in cpu-z It will give you all the info tho, is an 8c 16t 24mb of cache cpu running at 4.5 boost 2.2 base and 50w tdp Have pcie 4.0 support for the gpu and ssd, have a tpm and win 11 support and also has rebar support

@@Elinzar even ES Chips would get more details in CPU-Z, so thanks for details. With specs this seems like i7-11800H but with bit lower base and boost frequencies.

@@idzan-private yep, both 8 core ES chips run a bit lower than they where supposed to become this one is indeed the i7-11800h/i9 11900h and the other more powerful one runs at 2.6 base 4.7 boost and should be the base for the 11980HK, the rest of the specs are equal tho, just binning

@@Elinzar what about all core boost?

There is, and you can also mess around with xtu and bclk oc. I've seen testing with the i9 version with 4.6-4.7 GHz oc, but then you'd be hitting the vrm limits too, cuz the heatsink and vrm itself kinda sucks. Just using XMP to 3200 would be a big jump in performance too. If you're interested, just search for i9 11900 interposer on RU-vid, and you'll see a ton of very good videos from Brazilian hardware youtubers. This kit has been a bit of a hit over here, cuz the performance is really close to a 5600 but costing way less during sales (and being a bit convoluted as well). There are oc live streams, tests against 2011-v3 xeons and ryzens, liquid metal testing etc.

@@DMS_134 well, this thing also kinda popular in our regions, so it's seems you can replace radiators on the VRM to better one and calmly increase TDP. I saw the results there people increase it to 80 Watts and 120 Watts on PL1, measured temperatures with a pyrometer on the VRM during stress tests and everything was normal. The RAM also overclocked, by the way - I saw results up to 3733 MHz

@@luckevich16 Didn't know you could get that high on memory OC. Good stuff.

Laptops tend to throttle the clock down to protect the hardware (Thinkpads and many others did that), so even when they are mobile version, you wont be able to get the100% of its power. With "unlimited" cooling like it would be the case of a desktop (compared to the restrictions of a laptop) you could push them to the limit for longer.

did he power tested cpu? I think not

I second this e-waste motion

Yeah, this is gonna be a thing for people. The money is quite the amount despite the bargain, and then even if you can return it, it's gonna take months to resolve. The money compared to what they do and what they offer might be a super amazing price, but would an individual buyer risk that amount? I think this is more of an opportunity for computer shops, they can buy those boards and resell them, making a small margin themselves and also providing some kind of support or some form of warranty for people.

I suspect dawid gives somewhere around zero fucks about this motherboard; it's likely in the trash now.

its a matter of "even pressure". hold the cooler down before evenly distributing the pressure and your fine. they warn you because they dont want to have to replace it under the pretense that you had a user error but decided that the chip "cracked" in shipping.

I do have Erying i5 version. There is XMP setting in Chipset > SA platform > Memory And yes, this CPU can OC

Go for it! These appear fantastic for tinkering too this and the Intel ARC A770 16GB would make a fantastic system, if you can learn the bios and enable Resizable BAR 😁

Update: I bought the i9 version of this, and one of the weird RX580s, and I'm gonna build it as a replacement gaming PC for my father's ANCIENT rig. Two or three weeks, and then I'll see what happens! Another more amusing work case for these motherboards? Imagine, for the people into such things, someone wanted to build a portable cyberdeck with one! The TDP is only 45 watts. I have a 250Wh battery that peaks at 100 watts output. I imagine, with some creative tinkering and sticking with the built in GPU, I could build something fun to turn this laptop CPU in a desktop mother board into some ugly, frankensteined, mobile cyberdeck. Maybe when I have the money to buy another motherboard!

Usually it will say in the description of the item. If it says it's x16 and it ends up not being x16 you can ask for partial(or full, just lower chances of winning)refund. That's why description tends to be accurate. Always check the description and ignore the title. Btw this particular "brand", seem to be fairly professional(they don't hide anything, issues included), so I'd say everything they put in the description should be accurate.

Should be an x16 as these cpus have 20 PCIe lanes

Amd would be better for that

@@vipvip-tf9rw Their APUs, yes. This Intel chip is not an APU which is why I'm surprised that the performance was relatively playable.

@@mtx247 If it has igpu then It's apu, If it has cpu cores only then it's cpu

@@vipvip-tf9rw You must be new to the PC space, that's completely false. An APU is vastly different. An APU has a larger GPU than CPU. A CPU with an iGPU is smaller than the CPU. It's pretty much there to provide the bare minimum visuals whereas an APU is seen more for it's graphics capabilities. Hence why the APUs have the "G" nomenclature on AMDs APUs. Intel does not make APUs.

@@mtx247 normal cpus don't require igpu, igpu is intel i series only thing?

What do search for on AliExpress to find these?

It won't matter

I know that core duo is use that way with the g945m chip set . I had one of those boards in that time. Works just fine in a pc case So no its not that strange .

You could always buy a mini-PC, plenty of low power desktop chips around, like an intel NUC or similar

Why not just get something like a Larkbox?

I would get one as a router.

@@commondary9953 This board with the i9 costs 160$ (i9-11900H ES). Also you can enable the XMP profile in the BIOS, dunno why he have not managed to find the setting.

@@commondary9953 NUCs are pretty expensive. A similar spec NUC like the mainboard shown in the video is 600$+

that program will probably dispatch a team of Intel Ninjas to minecraft him, as engineering samples are not supposed to be sold to people

Aliexpress is fulfilling your dreams for just a few bucks and many times unreasonably long shipping times, straight through the heart of we hate the USAville but we love their $$$.

it's like 150USD rn tf you mean

He couldn't figure out the bios from the last video as well and just gave up

Why did you decide to go with 9900K in 2023? It's a good chip, but not a good match for a 4090, it's a r5 5600 level and gonna bottleneck the heck out of the 4090. Or it's just for a test?

really recommend you upgrade the cpu

@@Zysperro I had it in a Gigabyte MB so thought I'd try it. I expect I'll swap it and the MB out, but just gotta get some numbers first.

@@Zysperro I will know shortly, then will put the 4090 in my i9-13900K system. Its gonna be interesting to see how the old work horse responds. Right now I have a 3060 Ti running with it and the CPU just yawns...

Cpu draw no more than 50w. It will be cool it's less than i3. Gpu takes power through it's own vrm

@@mateusz2465 Oh right! It’s a laptop cpu, that makes sense. Also, I was wondering about that, I knew the GPU had its own VRMs, but I was under the impression all of the power to the board goes through the board VRMs first.

@@brando3342 vrm on mobo is for cpu, gpu can take max 75w from slot ( like gtx1050ti without power connector), but most gpus don't - fast all power goes from power cables ( 6pin, 8pin...)

@@mateusz2465 Gotcha, that makes sense, thanks 👍

do you also wish he bought all three the i5 i7 and i9 to compare each and see which is the best for the money I do

Not from Aliexpress. Have you seen the price of Lego (TM) these days?

how did u get the RAM to run at 3200MHz?

@@RadChromeDude there is XMP setting under Chipset > SA platform > Memory

@polaris star My RAM (Muskin Silverline) ran at 3200MHz out of the box. But the other poster may be correct.