Has Feminism Been Co-Opted By Progressives? LIVE At Dissident Dialogues 2024 

What a dumb sentence that has to be written and is 100% true 😅

Why? And how so?

If you're asking me It's a dumb thing to have to say because that's the way it should have always been. It blows my mind that we have to even be happy about it. This is of course in reference to transwomen being included on panels to talk about their feminism. Which is just utter bull crap because they are men. They only have a superficial idea of what it is to be a woman , and I'm being generous.

Yes, diversity is a blessing isn't it?

We disagree on that.

She thinks and speaks like a man.

Feminusm has never done that.

“She thinks and speaks like a man” The woman who kept chastising the rest of the panel for failing to pay proper attention to a vague idea of the low-class woman with a prolapse or whatever-in an attempt to, as they all inevitably do, prioritize the ultimate victim above productivity? I don’t think so. And it’s impossible for her to “think like a man” either way.

She is magnificent - a truly wonderful woman.

Yes, fantastically intelligent, but she’s KathLEEN - not Katherine!

@shabanahfazal6512 I'm going to blame autocorrect for that transgression and not my poor typing! Thanks though, I've corrected it.

Your comment is like that photo from the 1960s of an obese black woman standing next to a girl in a wheelchair and a sign that reads something like “20$ a day to feed astronauts? How about you feed the poor children!” There’s a fallacy called the relative privation fallacy.. it’s basically that. At the end of the day your theory assumes the only acceptable criteria for decision-making is to prioritize the weakest and the minority, which is very female typical and works well when caring for infants, so it sounds correct to scale it up, but it *does not* account for lots of factors like entropy. You lose big to natural decay as you scale up this protect infant/destroy dissenters dynamic which stultifies the most productive, sacrificing their productivity instead of letting them make rational sacrifices that in the long term improve conditions.

I liked how you spoke about most women like you know what they want. It's good for you if you want to live on your husbaands earning but women have dreams and want a future and don't want to be burden on men. Divorce is areal thing and women who have jobs also have a future and can fall back on something once they are divorce and can't receive free stuff from husband lmao

@@dhimankalita1690nevertheless, what she said was really quite benign. It remains true that most women want traditional gender roles. In other words, most people are normal, and not abnormal. Additionally, most traditional women do want to work and earn their own way; there is no tension between being a working woman and being a traditional woman.

@@bensanderson7144 the traditional option is increasingly no longer available for many

The crux of feminism is the ability to be able to choose what kind of woman you want to be instead of having societies telling you what you should be

@@Michelle-vv9lk that’s actually liberalism. Liberalism is the ability to make choices according to personal desires. Feminism is even more basic, it’s simply the representation of women’s interests, whatever those interests may be.

Don't believe them. It's a trap

What??? Damn, now I have to see this video. Never thought I would experience that!

34:28 Kathleen Stock: 'Basically there are women that just don't have enough to eat because the men are stealing it.' Notice how all the other women on the panel let that one slide. Not a single one fact-checked her on it, or asked for some evidence to back up this blatantly misandrist claim.

Research shows that feminists like men, maybe you have met lots of women who just hate men, or maybe you are not very nice!

You should get out more 🙄

You might consider strengthening ur own culture as a primary motivation.

They won't do it due to female nature

No we dont need more cultural imperialism.

@@TaweEthio So asking for freedom and autonomy for women is cultural imperialism. So Patriachal cultures must be upheld because it’s always been that way 🙄 Shall we bring back slavery too

No, it is fix things very carefully. Don't assume that because we can think up a solution that it will actually make things better.

Wrong

Her voice is too soothing, I can never pay attention. lol I zone out and feel sleepy without realizing it.

Exactly my problem too :)

Agreed. However I would assert that feminism hasn't been destroyed. It's doing exactly what it was intended to do.

Hahahaha

She's Armenian & Ashkenazi...K is not

Then K is shephardic? I wanna say K is Russian and Ashkenazi

My gosh people, I was just referring to how she looks compared to him. Y'all are getting too deep into ethnicity SMH LOL

Ouch, that’s way harsh. Jeez! She’s still a cutie but I can kind of see what you’re saying though.

*Regressive.

@@danieln.6097 this makes no sense

@@SheridanZhoy Feminism has led to the regression of society not the progression of it. Hope that makes sense.

If you're a delusional surely it would make sense lmao ​@@danieln.6097

@@danieln.6097 Regression refers to a transition from an advanced state to a prior primitive state. Feminism might be many things, and many of those harmful, but it's difficult to make the case that it's led a march backward through history to some imagined glorious matriarchy of olde.

Nope cause in order to defeat patriarchy all men need to join

Maybe it (the non-technological aspect of feminism) never was a vaccine (this is afterall a prevalent theme in recent years) Especially as the most minuscule drop of truth you can get out of its proponents, after they are placated emotionally, is “Well this is _really bad_ , _but_ without it things would be worse” Again, a parallel to other “vaccines”

How do you presume humanist feminism has achieved all its goals decades ago?

Please explain “humanist” feminism reached its goals. Sexism is alive and well world wide.

@@evolutionisus4879 Yes, against both men and women.

...... And? Thanks for sharing I guess

@@raguellagrande7344 your ? is what?

@@raguellagrande7344 you’re welcome 😉

You have the freedom to make that choice, yeah

@@zacharybosley1935 your point?

? How did you draw that conclusion?

you’d have to have an IQ of about 80 to genuinely come to this conclusion

amused at the idea of this sperg listening to redscare

The world population is approximately 4x what it was about a 100 years ago. Why should we be worried about low birth rates with roughly 8 billion people on the planet?

I don’t think Kathleen Stock did, or the NY Podcaster.

I'll answer this from the perspective of diachronic cognitive linguistics and science. This is not specific to feminism; it applies generally to politics. It is also not specific to progressivism. You can see it in any use of signs. Let us stipulate that feminism is a progressive _idea._ This seems accurate to me. There will be communities and organizations that form around ideas. They usually start off honest. Over time, they will have some success and get a good name. The good name will attract people who want to use the good name as a cover for underlying beliefs that conflict with the original intent. E.g. progressive communities in many cases will be coöpted by people who are regressive. This has happened before, during the Progressive Era. The third _progressive President,_ Woodrow Wilson, segregated federal facilities by melanization for the first time in history. He also came up with a racist school book program that would make Ron DeSantis weep with envy if he were smart enough to read. The progressive _bloc_ pushed Prohibition and Eugenics. The latter included forced tubal ligations for women deemed _feeble-minded_ by the state. Somewhere between 40,000 and 60,000 women were sterilized. See the Supreme Court case _Buck v. Bell,_ easily available online. Oliver Wendell Holmes, whom Justice Elena Kagan claimed was her model of _judicial restraint,_ penned the opinion stating, "Three generations of imbeciles are enough." Carrie Buck read the newspaper every day, but she also had been raped by a relative and blamed for it. Holmes was also responsible for the first two of several Supreme Court decisions that made it illegal to criticize the government for a half century, only reversed in 1969 in _Brandenburg v. Ohio._ I do not assert that modern _progressives_ are that bad, but I have yet to find a book or a progressive willing to fess up to this history. I would be surprised to find one willing even to engage in a good faith discussion. Yes, people and movements can change, but when all they do is deny and scream *_CHUD_* I feel no obligation even to consider them adults. TLDR: a lot of _progressives_ are functionally regressive, and there appears to be no push amongst _progressives_ to fix this. As for feminism, when I was on the faculty of FSU and had access to good sources, I studied the history of Anglo women's movements back to the printing press. There's about a 40-year cycle, and we happen to be in a regressive phase. It should get better around 2037. But this response is already as much as I am willing to type without a proper keyboard. [Edit] Fixed an unclosed italicization.

There's no such thing as oppressive patriarchy. The entire goal of feminism is to destroy the family, and with it, civilization, so that career women can rule over the ashes.

​@deadman746 DeSantis is not a racist. On the other hand he's also not too bright.

​@@deadman746 Wait, what does CHUD stand for?

@@deadman746 Very interesting. Thanks for sharing this.

This sounds like the dream tbh 🎉

I’m here for the box wine. (Prefer dogs).

@@pallavidawson7933 feminists tend to prefer cats!

​@@juliettejuliette-bf8df as long as you pay for it. No welfare. Then ok. Ve con Dios.

Oh look a guy who thinks we are witches😳🙄😂

Funny how this is NEVER part of the conversation,isn't it? And it IS happening.

I call that the half way patriarchy, same rights for women but also upholding all the privileges women traditionally have. Especially the TERFs want to uphold that.

Not to mention the expectation of heavy manual labour in and out of the workplace, to expose oneself to risk, danger and violence (and the physical and psychological effects of experiencing this his whole life) all ostensibly for the benefit, comfort and safety of women.

Men can leave the traditional gender roles cause when shit hit the fans women will go back to their gender roles.

Both men and women go into the military. Most women work outside the home. Lots of my colleagues are the main breadwinner, and earn more than their partners. A lot of them had their own homes and the men simply moved in. Of course men are going to do that heavy manual work, they’re built for that. The NHS, and education are predominantly female, except for senior manager and executive level, where men dominate.

Why is it strange?

Not every panel needs that. Sometimes thoughts and ideas can be lost in debate because you are having to defend against the parts being challenged you don't talk about the parts that aren't. Maybe they'll do it another time though

Yeah, because we NEVER hear from that perspective.

​@@Readabookfoofoothe point of a debate is to see how ideas meet up. You can't get that without that perspective.

​@@pmberkeleythis was, as stated, not a debate

@@radripley1265 I went on to see that fact. Disappointing.

And tons of mulatto, fatherless children. And that patriarchy that never really existed as it was formulated eventually will come to exist-we’ve basically fallen for reflexivity and as, happens every time, a lot of delusional hysterics will have to be broken before the havoc ends

When men decide to turn it off. It only exists because men allow it.

When its no longer necessary

@@zacharybosley1935 its never been necessary, quite the reverse, its been a disaster.

@@johnwatts8346 I would say it has been necessary when women couldn't vote, remains necessary as women aren't believed when they relay their experiences, and will continue to be necessary so long as arbitrary social standards are enforced upon men and women.

@@zacharybosley1935 well i would say thats total nonsense, democracy is a lousy system anyway so nobody should get a vote, women arent believed any less than males are, and the standards are not arbitrary, so youve offered exactly nothing /made no valid point what so ever, well played.

You are so confused. Sex is how humans are classified into male and female categories. Gender is sociological gobbledygook.

Urgh, go away

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Lol. I disagree, the trans mivment has mad me more sure that we need it. Eve it it has been a shitshow

@@bkilg2509 just because Darth Vadar was turned back from the dark side doesn’t mean he didn’t deserve to die for bringing the empire in the first place.

@@hatepaste I can understand you thinking that. Though I'm impressed you managed to understand my comment 😆

​@@bkilg2509the trans movement js feminism

I mean, if it was a broader topic like "The problem with modern progressive thinking in the West", I guess you'd have a point? I don't think any reasonable person thinks that men aren't capable of valuable philosophical contributions to feminism but they're obviously not the group of humans it's centred on lol

Feminism centers women, not men.🙄

@@evolutionisus4879 "Centers"? So it's not really bright women, is it now?

Haven’t got a clue to what you’re talking about dude. Feminism is only four and about women no men allowed we don’t need any men on a feminist panel. Of course, some of these women are feminist especially the one who says patriarchy doesn’t exist in the western world indicates she’s had a rectal cranial inversion.😂

@@cubemerula5264that’s the American spelling.

if men fixed men you would not have posted typical male grievance. 🙄

Men just need to learn to take care of themselves and not expect women to do it automatically. Those days are over.

I have no regrets of the sexual freedom I experienced in 40-50 yrs ago. I learned so much about self and other never thought of it as slutty sex because we hippies made love. Such great generational differences.

And there are deadbeat fathers too we know.

Have you considered why that is? I don’t think these women are denying this. Every mother needs a break , personal space is still a part of being a mother even if she is temporarily a vessel for sustenance. Beside the fact that the pressure to get back to work and maintain your status /career in society is so high(cost of living) but also many women in cosmopolitan cities have no “village” of familial relationships that can assist and even celebrate that time with your children UNLESS they outsource through paid childcare - which then reinforces the necessity to leave your children

And nothing must come between a woman and short term gratification

@@simgrmemaj8075😢