Has The Watcher Solved Fraymakers’ Biggest Problem? 

I don't think that the issue is The Watcher, I actually think that it's Fishbunjin lol He's just so funny as a design, big muscly distorted platypus goes hard. Tons of click comes from just seeing him on a thumbnail. Also I never expected Watcher to "save" Fraymakers. She's base cast and was (partly) shown when the game was announced. I don't think that anything will save the game in one go, but rather getting everything (optimization & online, stage hazards, assists, effects, balancing, CPUs...) and it will become better and better over time. (Lew glow up? Hype!)

I feel like a big update would be getting something like items or modes going, especially since I see a lot of potential in custom items and modes Those things could also make fray stand out a bit more from other custom content-heavy platfighters

Tbh, I would rather have the online fix so I can play the game. Until than, I'll wait for good news

I've been somewhat keeping up with the game, though haven't gotten it myself. I think a lot of people like myself are just waiting for the game to be fully released. That said, I have also only played the games of two characters (Welltaro, and The Watcher), so I'm also just kind of hoping for more represantatives of games that I've played. Seeing all the characters I recognize, and that I would've wanted to play as becoming assists instead of playable characters also feels disappointing. When I think of characters I would consider as 'the face of indie games', I think of characters like Shovel Knight, Isaac, Peppino, Madeline, The Knight, Zagreus, Hat Kid, Spelunky Guy, Sans, and the fox from Tunic. I love Welltaro, and Downwell, but how many people know who he is? I also think that the Ironclad, from my perspective would have made a better representative of Slay the Spire, because he is the first character you play as. That said, I think it is also worth mentioning that Slay the Spire probably has a lot less overlap with Fraymakers in terms of playerbase than something like Ittle Dew, seeing as it is a turn-based card game, and not an action game in any way. Custom content, while cool, I see as supplementary material to the main game. It's also something that Rivals has, and that game already has a large community. And even that game, despite as big as it has become, I've struggled in the past to find matches. I really hope this game succeeds. It looks really cool. And I intend to get it when it releases. But these are just a few of the reasons I feel like the numbers are probably low.

3:09 this UI is so rough lol 3:57 is that so? 6:16 i definitely think he should be saved for like, full release, slightly before or right when it happens, so that his hype is the most well-spent. plus that gives time for two or three more deltarune chapter releases which could be more moveset potential for him

At least whenever the stage hazards are added, there’s a lot of content to be made out of it, even better if they come along side Lady Luck

It seems people are just waiting for everything promised in the Kickstarter. According to people on the discord, this is what's left: - Results screen - Match modifiers - Fraybets - Items - Custom modes - Custom menus - Character 7 - Character 8 - Character 9 - Half of the planned assists - Most of the stages (there are still only 4) + The Music connected to them - Any single player modes whatsoever - Other QOL changes, such as slightly changing the UI or changing how custom content loads We're like... maybe halfway done.

I don't think Fraymakers is going to blow up from one update. I get the impression that there's something happening in the back-end of McLeodGaming and a lack of "voice" for the game. I'm not going to yell at the devs to "work harder" or tell them for the vingtilionth time to "hire more devs". But I will also recognize that releasing content at a slow speed is going to be detrimental to keeping a community entertained. I feel that a bit of this would be alleviated if I could see more of what they're cooking in the meantime, but I can't really find anywhere to get updates that the team is still alive. The only place that used to work for this was Xitter... And there's a reason why I pronounce the "X" as "sh" like Xoloitzcuintle.  By the rate of content and the state of things, I'm under the impression that there's something happening with the team and we don't know about it. It could be that they're understaffed with no ability to hire new people (I have heard rumours about there being only one artist, but I'm passing them off as that. Rumours). It could be that they got overambitious in delivering complex things such as highly-detailed pixel art, rollback netcode... I'm not going to try and give a definitive answer because I'm just another player here. I'm about as clueless as anyone else. All I can really do is hope, interact with the community, try to help the game through bug-reports, and speculate. If I really want to go all-in on that copium, I will at least remind myself of this: We are doing a bit better than Concord at least.

Its the fact that people aren't patient enough to wait months on end for a single update. The reality is, much of the target audience fraymakers is going for has probably already saw and forgot/ lost interest in the game.

I get the feeling Team Fray and Megacrit sealed the deal about Watcher's inclusion in Fraymakers while Watcher was in development for Slay the Spire. Then she would make her debut in 2 games at once!

great video king❤

We're so cooked that we're glowing! Honestly, the game was never going to be "saved" by any character and if I can use myself as an anecdote. I don't own the game as I really need to trust an Early Access game (Slap City was half the price using that period and played amazingly) to dive in early and only get so much time to watch any fighting game related content. While I do like platform fighters a lot, Fraymakers is just one of the less interesting ones to follow right now with the biggest inclusion (Fishbunjin) being someone I'm still keen to learn and see in his source games first including Slap City. If they do get AlphaRad or Dunkey to cover all the wacky custom content or if we do get a major indie character who has no official appearances in a platform fighter (Sans counts - though he seems cool in PMEX Remix, so some people may have expectations) with a big glow up in how they function - we could be see a big boost but that isn't certain or likely to be sustainable. I'm not sure about the casual content but I need to be convinced there is something to do beyond custom characters or a small online scene. Rivals is grandfathered in with great mechanics, customisation, storytelling, trailers, tournament narratives and more. Smack Studio seems like it could replace some animation tools for people who want to make content especially with its 2D/3D thing and allows for custom stages in addition to characters which can have 8 player fights. FrayMakers does have a lot of talent from SSF2 etc but there is a lot of competition for attention beyond getting outside of platform fighters.

I would say once they go past the Early-Access and add more singleplayer things to do, it could get a bit better, as in its current state, 6 characters and 5 stages it's a bit rough. It reminds me a lot to the Rivals' early release, and in that case, the dedicated playerbase and the determined dev team were able to get it off the ground, so you guys just hang in there, it may just get better eventually.

I straight up thought that this video would be a breakdown of the character not an analysis of the marketing/publicity problemsI had no idea that she's BEEN out

Mostly because rivals of aether exist.

I didn't even hear about the watcher coming out until now...

It better be a Downwell stage. 😑

im gonna be completely honest, i had no clue the watcher released until this video

I think a focus on Single player content can help out. One thing I see fighting games not taking advantage of is having fun with casual friends. A fighting game by itself needs veterans of the genre to move it. And if you want to have more of an appeal, I imagine a single player/coop mode keep folks entertained.

Honestly what they need to do is get someone who knows Japanese and get ZUN to allow Reimu into the game, which shouldn't be too hard. Touhou is huge internationally and Fraymakers being basically Platfighter MUGEN would attract the creative spirit of the Touhou fandom into making characters for this game. Her and the two characters I am currently predicting, being Henry Stickmin and Shovel Knight, would be the best case scenario. Final thing I will mention is there's a SEVERE lack of singleplayer. Even just a mode like Smash Run or The Abyss would do actual miracles for Fraymakers as a game... ontop of good online of course. Here's hoping for the best.

I know team fray can be slow with content but I doubt there going to be that slow I think Until 2025 beginning there going to release Lady Luck shopkeeper potentially star drop and hopefully character 7 ( you forget to mention that The Watcher is the most disliked character in Slay the Spire)

Its hard to play a fighting game with so little characters. There is simply better fighting games out at the moment that are feature complete. You can only go so far with mods.

It's actually sad how under rated this game is.

2:44 because it's too little too late, the game is a year and a half old now and it only now has SIX characters, that's lower than the OG Smash bros which came out 20+ years ago. The game had momentum when it launched but immediately fell off due to a lack of substantial content, you can only play the same 5 characters so many times before you quit out of boredom. It doesn't help that there is a massive wait between any form of substantial update, even if it's just a new assist (which they keep WASTING licenses on) the point I'm tryna make is that the game came out FAR too early and people don't want to wait another 3 years for the game to be finished.

I really don't want to be that guy because I want that game to succeed But I don't know if a popular character would guarantee a game to become popular Look at Blade Strangers, that game have some of the most recognizable indie characters, but people quickly moved on from it I mean, I'm sure if your suggestions were added, it would make a TON of people play Fraymakers, but would they keep playing after messing a bit with the game?

Character seven needs to be spelunky guy or hornet so it can like bring interesting like new players to the game and like put the player count until like the hundreds or thousands

Short answer: No Long answer: The constant wait and the lack of updates is slowly killing this game, the fact ssf2 has more updates and more communication with its community than the fraymakers that are literally being payed to develop the game one is baffling, and these are supposed to be the same devs for both games! So no, a new character wont solve everything, unless it is like a really famous character which i doubt

wait, the watcher is out?

Game name?

I feel like maybe slay the spire and plat fighters just don't have the biggest player crossover. I'd literally never seen a slay the spire character until being confused at fraymakers roster choices. I think Fraymakers is kinda cooked. Relying on a youtuber to save the game seems like a bad sign. There's not much point in pitting the two against each other but I will just be playing Rivals 2 instead, I think. Well I know actually cause that's the one I backed on kickstarter lol.

PERFAVORE AGGIUNGI LA BANANA DANZANTE

Did you make the game free yet?

Watcher is the easiest character in Slay The Spire. So her fans are you guessed it ....

Can you make free to play

slay the spire: 2019 slap city: 2018 rivals of aether: 2017 downwell: 2015 octodad: 2014 bit.trip runner: 2010 fraymakers seems like a cool game but it is comically late. it's like a time capsule. the newest game that they're featuring a character from is slay the spire ... slay the spire ... considered a classic in the genre, influenced hundreds of subsequent games, with a highly anticipated sequel coming soon ... and that's the freshest, newest game they're featuring a character from.