Like with my Garmin Watch. I can set timers with different times, save them for the long term and run them in the background. Or is it more like multiple timers without the option of preconfigured times?
The vision pro uses 3d augmented reality to inflate the size of your wallet when you look at it with pass through cameras, to make you forget how much you paid for it
That's wrong, convolution is just applying an impulse response to the signal. The magic is in creating the impulses that account for head movements and HRTFs which is not at all what most convolution reverbs can do.
When you’ve got the best, you decide the prize. Also, gaming on Mac, Native or through Rosetta 2, is already incredible, and unmatched in terms of performance per watt, so the environment would really benefit from people gaming on Mac instead of Windows, where people use up to 250W CPU’s, and 500W GPU’s…
@@retrocomputing ehh. i've seen sub 1k stands that were as long lived as apples will be...the problem is that nowadays you have overpriced disposable trash, or overpriced with longevity. the old way that people are remembering back to was relteively affordable long lasting. that affordable is the bit people are upset about not the lifespan with the stand.
$3499 and doesn't even come with a top head strap, it's just going to slide down your face if you try to move. VR is for cardio I'm sad Apple didn't get the memo.
Hating = not being able to afford it? Look, this is not for you and me, and 95% of other customers, but innovation lights a fire under Apple's competition, and speeds up more innovation. These "premium" features Apple are presenting will become mainstream and cheap much sooner, because Apple are bringing them now in the first place. I couldn't be happier about this product, but it's definitely the tech enthusiast and engineer inside me talking, not the consumer
@@Octrox the quest and quest 2 were innovative for being standalone headsets, but thanks to them innovation in VR have stagnated because every developer is "stuck" making their programs compatible with them.
23 million pixels on a OLED screen that small is insane honestly. the pixel density is crazy high. The price is also absurd, but damn that's impressive
@@bobclack3256 i mean from what perspective such device will be needed? If you can buy a such device you may simply buy several monitors and proper tv. For gaming? Almost 8k resolution is too much but some rendering technics could help of course, Besides you got to run game in 90 fps + to feel kind of comfortable, this is the reason why there is no so much headsets with 8k resolution. I got to google how does it feel to play with "dimple rendering" or how does it translate to English...
@@karaluv_ravenovich No game will be rendering at 8k, the density needs to be there in order to sell the augmented reality part, it needs to be as close to sharp to reality as possible.
@@markedone494 hm... It will be interesting to see if they would make o proper projection from external cameras... But anyway I don't see many places where argumented reality with such details would be needed
@@Moskeeto opengl isn't open source, only its specification. vulkan is the only thing thats open source and i dont see why apple wouldn't support it natively, other than just not wanting competition meanwhile their own programming language, swift is completely open source
@@MaddTheSaneits apple, I expect the next gen to remove half the features and make them optional extras, add 10x as many bugs, cost twice as much, and disassemble itself the moment someone sneezes nearby.
@@cgi2002 That’s not how things generally work with Apple products usually. The first MacBook Air had various issues and cost like $1700, had only one USB port, a slow spinning drive in base model, and had a 5 hr battery life, Then later versions got the price down to as little as $1200 for the 13” model, increased the battery life to 7 hrs and later 10 hrs, had SSD drives in all models, and added a second USB and a Thunderbolt/DisplayPort port. They also worked out the bugs in the first gen model. Apple like all companies has its issue for tIme to tIme like the Butterfly Keyboard or the iPhone 4 antennagate issue but it’s not as doom and gloom as you make it out to be and PC manufacturers suffer from such problems too. This is a first Gen product for Apple and like the first MacBook Air, it will start out expensive but come down in price over time. Battery life solutions will arise if you need more then two consecutive hours of battery life such being able to buy as addition batter packs and/or lager version (if battery pack weight is less of a concern for you) as the battery pack can be disconnected and thus swapped.
The fact that the "Hey" is getting removed is probably the best change in iOS 17 for me. Since my native language is Swedish it feels veeery unnatural to say "Hej, Siri" since we don't really talk to each other in that way in Sweden. So to be able to just say "Siri, ring mamma" or "Siri, sätt en timer på 10 minuter" is GREAT!
@Alaskan donut It is still "Hej" or "Tjena" but we don't use them to start a conversation most of the time. Usually you would just say someones name or just start talking in their direction to initiate a conversation. It may sound a bit rude to outsiders but the Swedish language is quite casual!
@@DaMorg3 Haha, yeah I get the frustration for native english speakers. Thankfully it's a toggle if you want to use they full command still or the new one!
Nja, vet inte det jag, tycker det funkar bra med Hej också. Men då använder jag inte Siri heller, utan Google home och ofta från avstånd och med start/stop ljud så det flyter kanske mer naturligt att ropa hej, få svar och sen säga det man ville 😊
@@LunaticCharade Jag använder Siri mest för att ringa folk när jag har hörlurar i så att jag slipper plocka upp telefonen ur fickan. Då känns det jävligt onaturligt att säga "Hej Siri, ring Petter."
Removing the "Hey" from Siri is actually going to be so annoying because I have a coworker named Siri and we already have so much trouble with phones triggering all over the place
Worry not. I'm sure Apple will soon sue your co-worker for copyright infringement and force her to change her name. All problems solved. Thanks, Apple.
I saw this argument somewhere else and I had the same opinion until someone posted a realtor page for a shitty small house in the Detroit suburbs for 20k$. It's possible just not pretty.
There's no doubt these chips are really fast and very energy efficient, as to whether they exceed latest gen threadrippers, well that'll be for the benchmarkers to confirm, but it wouldn't surprise me if they're very competitive there. The GPU is also potentially quite powerful, but it still seems that very little is optimised for it (and almost no games).
Doing the sheer level of computation to map and re-create the environment with multiple applications running nearly perfectly tracked within 12 ms, and sufficiently driving display brightness through pancake lenses with that small of a battery is insane.
Only Apple would be happy to claim a selling point is that their device will work all day if it's plugged into a dedicated power source IE the wall plug.
Auxiliary battery packs will be a big thing for it If you’re out and about or at a work space with it and happen to have a backpack, it would be easy af to have it plugged in to a battery pack far larger than something that you could carry on your face
most people are need a sleep too.. and also if you are eating/showering etc, you not really spending more than 18 hours on your laptop, so you can technically call it an all day battery (but actually most people use it for work, which is 8 hours per day)
@@AAllinsonNN I mean if they don’t state that the first question on everyone’s mind would be what happens when the battery pack is empty. So it might sound risiculous but maybe otherwise people would have made a big deal out of it…
@@neon_arch why do you love it so much? Expensive stuff, that is hyped upped, but the tech is around 4 years old, just nobody uses it because it is so expensive, that nobody would buy it. Apple markets it so well that only they can sell something people dont even need.
The Pro is the full featured model, hence Pro, the only upgrades are a couple of optional things like prescription lenses rather than actual hardware upgrades.
prices always go down. Why do you care about the cost? Why aren't you worried about the social decay it's going to cause and the end of human interaction?
Gotta admit, apple knows their audience, saying you can replace your TV with a VR headset, they know you are watching alone. **I feel dumb having to spell this out, but when I say "their audience", I'm referring to the people excited about the product, their target demographic, not everyone with an apple product. Apparently that required clarifying.
@@A.C.Lawrencewho needs kids or a partner when Apple drops a new update that allows you to see and interact with the life you could’ve had if you didn’t buy those headsets 😂
They're still able to con plenty of designers into thinking that Apple is best for graphics/video design work but I can't see them ever winning over the gaming crowd.
@@stevezpj they already got me, just need the games. Windows sucks ass, it's so awful and the components are all old, inefficient heaps of x86 junk. Linux is a joke, always been, nobody will use that, besides deck users.
the headset is impressive but thats because it costs $3400 while most other companies are trying to make headsets the consumer can actually buy around $400 - 600
Cost them like 1500 in parts so they got a 2000$ mark up on them ...I know they gotta recover development cost and marketing but that's a step mark up still
@@Smart-Towel-RG-400 They spent a decade working on it and the variants made for general consumers have much lower margins so they won't be able to recoup costs as easily with them
Oculus has decade of experience in the market and sells so many of them that they should be able to offset some costs and their quest pro was 1500 and no where near with specification alone, not to mention software side
Part of the reason they're so cheap is that you're the product. Meta tracks your eyeball movements so it can sell more data about you. Apple is going all-in on the high end hardware presumably to get production going and costs coming down. Expect an Apple Vision SE in a few years.
I'm really surprised that they didn't put the computer part of the headset on your hip as well. Reducing the weight of the headset would help, and it already has an external component anyway. Plus it would make it easier to upgrade the computer part rather than replacing the entire headset.
Luckily the possibilities are just endless in providing the same tech innovation and making it completely repairable by just anyone with a scredriver and a hammer. I'm hoping you support those companies with you hard-earned cash?
Why does every company have to make repairable products? There should be 2 classes of products: modular and repairable OR proprietary and not repairable. Also, quit your bitching fool.
Linus, you forgot the most impressive spec on the vision pro. It features all-day use when plugged in. I hope one day all my electronics will have such a feature that it needs to be explicitly stated.
I would say thats still something new in that class. I can't speak for the oculus quests, but the regular oculus certainly wasn't designed for all-day use even if that thing was exclusively tethered. Sooner or later the whole room would be hot just from the pc, which isn't always the case, but I would still be impressed, if people could actually use this a whole day..
"Replace your tv, monitor and sound system" for $3500 u can get a good tv, monitor and sound system and actually do stuff with them for more than 2 hours AND u don't even need to attach a wire to your head, its truly a miracle of science.
those items are not mobile tho. You can at least move and carry this headset around. If you are remaining in 1 spot, you can plug it into a wall outlet so you can use it limitlessly. Can't really compare the experience of AR/VR to a stationary TV/Sound system set up. It is more immersive and has greater use since it is a computer in itself.
@@phamtuan1840 i think he meant something like an hotel room. But still it's stupid af. As comfortable and realistic this thing can be it'll be annoying after a while. I can sleep with my tv on, can i sleep with this on my head?
@@gastronian You know what I can move around and use as a TV and a monitor? My cheap high resolution tablet. Sound system? I have multiples of high quality wireless headphones already that I can pair with any of my devices. You know what's even more immersive than a virtual screen on a VR screen? A real screen. In reality. Immersive. And I know, I tried, I tested, I have VR.
For a long time, the biggest hurdle for VR headset massadoption was the price tag. i don't know who is going to pay for these headsets, groundbreaking as they are.
A large portion of Apple customers buy everything with a fruit on it, no matter what the price is and no mater how if they have to put another mortgage on their house to be able to do so.
My university professor already said he’s pissed he can’t buy it right away. I think there quite a few people who have that kinda money and especially people who buy apple products. I actually think it’ll bring more people to VR despite the price tag mainly because apple has a different customer base than the average VR user today. And I guess they’ll bring out a more affordable non-pro variant in the coming years.
Apple consumers are zombies. They'll get anything they put out. You could get a similar product for a third of the price but people aren't really talking about that one
apple says that sensor processing is done completely on-device. although there is every chance they could be lying about this, i doubt it would be worth transmiting all the low-level sensor data. it's more likely they'll just collect the same high-level tracking data as their other devices
No, I was worried when Google bought over North and shut them down for good. It's honestly a shame. The work they were doing looked extremely promising, making components in house just so they could fit in their glasses without looking stupid and bulky. RIP North. I will miss you.
I'm honestly quite suprised that Apple released the Game Porting Toolkit to implement DX12 support. I thought they'd just stubbornly insist on devs re-coding for Metal. However, this seems to not benefit iOS, which still makes OpenGL the only API that ever workes on all platforms and makes me think Apple hasn't yet fully committed to trying to make life easier for game developers on their platform, but this was something I never thought they would do at all. On top of that, I feel like I hear more about Vulkan than I do DX12 these days and Vulkan has the potential to work literally everywhere, including all modern consoles, so I think Apple would be short-sighted to not do something similar for Vulkan (or just natively support it), but maybe now that's not an impossible outcome?
Apple will most likely make all the porting toolkits and translators…and then locked all of them to Apple for future iterations. Esp now that iPhones can run AAA console or pc games…1 developed game for mac can be sold to iPhone users and iPad users and Apple vision Pro users.
Since the comparable AR headset market includes the HoloLens 2, which is similarly priced, and has lower specs as far as I can tell, it actually probably will.
The difference is that no matter how much you pay you almost can’t find anything that comes close to competing (in specs and features at least, we’ll see if it has the interoperability to make it worthwhile for anything beyond content consumption and monitor replacement)
@@CassetteMelody There are, however, extremely expensive headsets designed for enterprise environments (like Microsoft's HoloLens) that the public knows about but doesn't buy because it isn't intended for them, it's intended for people who can expense their equipment instead of buying it out -of-pocket.
No, hating Apple is still really easy. Just need to look at the repair prices when you need to fix your device two years after buying it, and see that they basically charge you the cost of a new device while doing everything in their power to prevent independent repair shops from being able to fix it at all (let alone at a competitive price). Pretty obvious they're using every trick in the book to have you replacing the ludicrously expensive devices you buy from them as often as possible.
Lmao my friend's ipad pro 2021's top button broke and the repair center just refused to fix it. Instead they tried to coax him into buying a new one at a discount. Great company. By the way literally the only good thing the ipad has is Goodnotes now that it's coming to android it's really not worth it.
which....has nothing to do with reviewing the product. Linus has critiqued them many many times in the past for their anti R2R position. (also note linus doesn't make the titles for the video, one of the editors do, and it's to get people to click on the video, thank youtubes algorithem)
@@ExarchGaming Not only no one is criticizing Linus directly, they are addressing the team that made the video, but it definitely has to do with reviewing the product. Maintaining it is part of the experience, and if you get manhandled every time you need to replace something, you'd be mad that the detail was left out of the review
It would be helpful for the LTT labs team to rationalise what Apple mean by their use of 'cores' as terminology for their SoC. Because for the consumer, they're looking at '76 cores' from apple and trying to reconcile that against the 5 figure counts of compute/rt/tensor cores on dedicated graphics cards 🤔
"helpful"? nah, it's necessary/mandatory. just like you can't compare nVidia's cores to AMD's, or intel's to AMD's, you can't compare Apple to anything else, except for itself (and even then, only within the same generation), from which you can THEN make comparissons against other brands through standardised benchmarking results to make sense of the whole smorgasboard of available hardware between brands and generations
I mean, I can't believe they actually think 76 cores is a flex if they mean the normal terminology when talking about GPUs. But I also find it hard to believe that they're running multiple GPUs to that number either. There's definately a need to at least find consensus in terms and if they're really using something that architecturally doesn't meet the terminology, call it something else 🤷
@@glebglub I have argued about this for years, Even in PC you aren't really testing a CPU generation to generation you are testing the entire ecosystem of the CPU/RAM/Mobo as a platform. Apples products realistically cannot be compared, You can use time as a measurement of sorts for completed tasks, and like Apple does "Performance per Watt" as a metric but realistically Physics is Physics and Optimization with standard modern materials is more the limitation and can only really go so far, and Apple gets blown out of the water the moment Wattage isn't a metric. Anyone that took a statistics class can see the marketing BS a mile away.
@@SenithDR Right, so I wonder could ALUs be used as a rough unit of comparison? I guess that's why it ultimately comes down to how they perform on the real world benchmarks for different applications as that's ultimately all that matters. But some sort of vaguely universal point of reference would be useful at least 🤔
If this thing isn't entirely vaporware, but is a legitimate laptop/desktop replacement able to function as a standalone workstation, then the $3,500 price point isn't entirely outrageous. Though I expect it to have some serious shortcomings in its first iteration, like the first iPhone. Could very likely kick ass by the third or fourth version.
I’m buying the first gen. Won’t be another 2 or 3 years until the next version and by the time it’s super refined we’re probably looking at around 10 years. The technology in it as it stands is definitely the most advanced by a landslide in comparison to others
I reckon they’ll keep it like this for 2 years then start to increment yearly at the same price or release a non pro version for cheaper. All the tech is likely patented so it’s not like Zuck or google can compete in a closed field. They learned from Google copying the iPhone.
Impressive stuff but it's only for industry and the rich at that price. The good thing is it will hopefully drive competitors to build better but cheaper devices moving forward, which is great for everyone.
@@ricercr44I will call my self mildly wealthy, but I wouldn't spend $10k buy 3-4 of those things - because I am not the type of guy who want to sit alone and watch a movie. Then I would rather just read a book or something, and I don't need a $3.500 (will be a lot more in Denmark where I live) AR book
I’m happy with Apple returning to their roots, making overpriced products and reinvesting into RND, while we get to reap the benefits of their competitors response in the next couple years.
@@antoniohagopian213 I don’t know a single laptop that can compete with a MacBook Pro across price, performance, battery life, and form factor. What do you believe is way ahead?
"If you ignore the price." Yeah, you could say that about Nvidia, too. If you ignore the price, their new cards are pretty good. Unfortunately, not everyone can afford to drop thousands of dollars on something they don't actually need. VR is already niche because it's just too expensive to justify for your average consumer, and this certainly isn't going to change that.
Honestly though if you compare nvidia’s new cards in a PC to the m2 ultra it starts to seem similar. Granted a 4090 is probably more powerful than an m2 ultra. But the Mac chips are often better than intel/amd overall. Mainly because of how it does memory and dedicated chips for certain kinds of processing. These aren’t made for gaming they are made for creative workflows. And honestly the whole new streaming layers and stuff looks insane a 4090 has limits to encoding layers and other stuff. I really want LTT to compare that kinda thing.
@@CreativeMindsAudio apple chips are great, But when we talk about more general desktop tasks, not only images and video editing they fail in a comparison with Intel/ and processes And if we will GPU with Nvidia cuda capabilities...
Imagine the repair bill on the vision pro if anything goes wrong. Micro-led tech is not cheap and I am guessing that the repair procedure on one of those is not going to be easy, especially if most of the internal components are soldered down. Given the track record on pro devices being 1 year warranty, that's a very hard sell.
Unlike a tv or stereo where you can enjoy the experience with multiple people at once, you will owners a apple vision for everyone in the family. That $3,500 price tag starts to very quickly multiply. With all that I still want one.
Yeah, but you're not part of the restricted Apple club, where money is secondary, aren't you ? .... and "Applers" don't complain about the price of Apple products because you'll be automatically booed as a poor low life.
4090 is overkill for valve index tho. If you can spend 2k on a gpu you could definitely spend extra 150 on vive pro 2 with better res or something. Just nitpicking i guess
I've already got the index and a rig for my engineering workload but I'm really interested in the vision pro. I can't wait to try one for myself to see if the screens are good enough to actually replace a monitor.
@@qwertmom Not enough stuff to do with them once you get them, but otherwise, I'd say the quest 2 or Pico 4 are very cheap. They are about the same price as a nice pair of "normie" (for lack of a better word) headphones.
@@ThecatThecat-hq1op I had the quest 2 and later sold it. I realized something that's so attached to your face and reliant on your senses needs to be almost "perfect" but that clearly comes at a cost. But if any company were to make a "perfect" vr headset it would be apple so this is exciting to see.
Shocked you didn't mention the massive issue with the Macbook Air 15". The £1,300 base config still only comes with 8gb ram, and 256gb ssd. And it is £200 to upgrade to 16gb and £200 to get to 512gb ssd. I mean, in what world is that an acceptable baseline or upgrade cost? When 32gb of the fastest ddr5 is under £150 and a 2tb Sabrant Rocket 4 Plus nvme is under £150. For the £1,300 you should be getting 16gb ram and 512gb ssd as standard.
I’d consider buying it if I didn’t know that next years or maybe the year after that we’ll get the vision Pro 2 and it will make this one completely obsolete. When iPhone first came out, whenever a new one came the following year it made the old one seem terrible. Now iPhone only has incremental changes each year and I’ve personally felt no need to upgrade for the last 5 years. But with this headset just starting, the second one will make this look like a bloated dinasour. I’ll wait a few years and see how it goes. Also the lack of controllers and ability to play VR games is a big red flag for me
I expect version 2 won’t be released until a few years later. They’ll shift their focus to designing something that looks more like a set of regular eyeglasses that is less immersive but still offers the user interface features at a lower price point.
Remember most VR headsets need dual handed controllers because the eye tracking and hand gestures do not work reliably enough. Apple just did what they did with styluses back in 2007.
@@SkaterStimmSorry but there’s no way apple made hand tracking good enough to replace controllers in games. Hands only is just worse for most vr titles and you also lose the ability to have any haptic feedback when you touch things in a game.
Wait until you see people with that on their heads, watch pron, jinkin off and an Apple employee watches them using that "all round privacy" hardware on the headset😂😂😂
The Vision Pro is extremely impressive. So impressive in fact, that I have my doubts if all really works so well in the real world... We'll see when the first units hit Tech RU-vidrs and the market
Well it is releasing way later, so hundred percent bet majority of software is buggy as all hell, but mostly complete. The wait to release is for Apple to polish it and gets software from devs.
Can’t trust anything until proper reviews are out, but Marques Brownlee claims he’s tried it and was very impressed with the demo performance, going so far as to call it “magical.”
I dunno man. I'm black mirror black-pilled and this looks enticing. Eye-tracking through every possible app through an encrypted "back' layer? I mean... Solved. They fixed it. I'm not scared anymore.
I'm not a Steve Jobs fan by any means, but I wonder what he would say about the growing disconnection from nature. $3500 to wear a headset that replaces all your stuff, and puts you in your own little world, without the need to ever leave your comfy single person chair, in your dark, dingy, underground apartment. All so you can keep up with people that don't even blink at the $3500 price tag.
You could deploy a fleet of Meta Quest 2s for the price of one headset. I get that it's more advanced... but wow that price is massive. Napkin math says that's almost the same as what I paid for two desktops, tv, 2 monitors, Oculus Rift S, M1 Air, my phone (not my partners phone we did just run out of budget for that) and 5.1 surround system that supplies all the entertainment in our apt.
It would be great for industrial applications that use augmented reality except that Apple boxes you in so much that it's really hard to integrate it into existing infrastructure...
The vision looks super tempting to a solo liver, but if the average customer is just using it for tv, you would have to buy one for EVERY person who wanted to watch alongside you. This will not be replacing tvs anytime soon
This seems like the first major step into neurally integrated UI. If apple sticks to this it’s both scary and exciting to see what future versions of this will look like
Having to buy one for everyone in my family would be the same price as a small car. Yeah, that's not happening. But I am really intrigued to use it for work. So much so, that I bought a quest 2 to see if I can actually get used to it.
Not at all disagreeing, but uh, soldered CPUs have been standard in laptops for a very long time now. Even in a Framework you replace the whole board because that’s just how mobile CPUs are to reduce energy waste.
I thought the main reason Microsoft wasn't targeting consumers with Hololens was cause the price point of $3500 was too high. Guess this means we'll see Hololens 3 sometime soon
because Apple is the few companies that can charge that much because they have a legion of rabbid fans who will work their asses of just to buy the next iThing. I want to the hate them so bad because they are an anti-competition asshole company
Hololens released before the tech had really matured and wouldn't have gotten the same adoption or app support. Govt/military contract became a much better option.
It's cringe looking, can't wear outside room cause people will think you are a lost scuba diver. Cringe, overpriced and I guess after some time impractical, boring, and pushing your head and ears like crazy
It seems like the initial version of the product is about doing two things at once. It is a cool piece of tech for wealthy early adopters and gives app developers users who will actually download and use initial apps for the device. Give it another 5 years and AR won’t be nearly as bulky as the Vision Pro and will have far more useful applications in the real world.
MacBook Air 15 inch is a huge thing imo. Up until now, you had to pay a huge price to go up to 15 inch because they only offered MacBook Pros. To have a relatively cheap 15 inch laptop, my prediction is it will sell really well
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Its not cheap when you can get for the same price MB M1 Pro, which is a bit older but still better... not even mentioning the 120hz XDR display, ports, battery, speakers... Do you still think its cheap? Its a really bad deal, but somehow people fall for it.
@ In Germany the M1 with new design with ports etc retails for 2100-2300 still
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@@speakerboxxx1234 in czechia you can get 14" Pro for 1700€ on sale... for 512gb and 16gb ram. If you go for the Air, the base is 256gb and 8gb, which is basically useless. And just the 512/16gb version of Air already costs a lot more than the Pro. I know its a bit smaller screen, but you will sacrifice so much more with the Air. So, at least for me, it makes no sense.
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@@speakerboxxx1234 just checked it: 14" Pro for 1700€ 16" Pro for 2100€ The cost of the Air, for 512gb SSD and 16gb RAM is, get ready... 2100€ Still dont believe its a bad deal?
People spend far more money all the time, a cruise for 2 people for 3-7 days can cost well over that, cars that are 25-50k, even going back in tech time; when plasmas dominated the TV space, they were this expensive if not more (especially the kuro elites, only surpassed by recent OLEDs) you too can "ignore the price on everything" if you wanted, you could start a youtube channel, start streaming, find a better job; a lot of places will pay for your tech school where you can get skilled in a trade. This product doesn't much look like it's aiming at the gaming community, but more so the professional one; where prices like this are far more the norm. (look at threadripper vs threadripper pro for example) on a first gen product, it is what it is. If this product can help you in your profession, or you're just a die hard early-adopter; this is the norm and always has been.
I always wondered what the distinctly weird undertones of the sims community was about and the fact that it's one of the few games available on Mac clarifies a lot
>hard to hate them >oversold, underperforming product for twice the price of their much better peers Linus, how much did they pay you for this? Be honest. Don't turn your back on your friends.
Big Calculator App lobbyists won't allow that to happen. How else will people install crappy ad-filled calculators for their tablet? But seriously, they managed to purchase a decent weather app (dark sky) and integrated it well, why can't they just get Texas Instruments or someone to build an "official app".
The things apple have put into the Vision Pro aren't all that surprising considering that Microsoft released their first generation Hololens 8 years ago and it's 4 years since Hololens 2 came out. Apple is very good at presenting their products as revolutionary, but I'd wait some time before getting too exited about the product.
Or presenting it at all. I have not heard hololens since that first ad that microsoft made. What ever happened to that? It was basically the same thing
@@k9foru2 It kinda is innovation though? I would call the first guy who realized peanut butter and jelly can go between bread an innovator despite them not inventing any of the three above.
how to make an apple product step 1. choose a random tech product step 2. make a minimalistic design step 3. add random features step 4. sell it for twice the last device in that product line
Only thing that makes me happy about Apple releasing its own whatever Reality headset is that this will FINALLY mean there will be a market for VR/AR because Apple did something about it so now the world finally notices and learns that "hey this exists and isn't just a niche/enthusiast thing" Of course it also means we're gonna start getting cheapo headsets from some fake sellers but eh, it's a price I'm willing to not pay but deal with if it means better VR/AR
We can only hope so. The problem will be though that they'll need to sell a lot of them for it to be worth it for developers to make stuff for it, otherwise they'd be better off just continuing to make stuff for the Meta Quest seeing as it's pricepoint will likely mean it'll have a bigger user base, at least until they release a cheaper version.
apple is so innovated, not only did the lady playing the basket ball game not press any buttons to shoot the ball, but they also made a stand and app where your phone can be used as an alarm clock.
You can't play on the vision Pro ... Can't connect to a pc for high end VR gaming and the quest 3 will pretty much do all of the stuff it does. I don't get the hype for that price
I’m so torn.. is the Vision Pro one of the most monumental steps forward in AR/VR or is it just superb marketing? Also is this even going to be available to general consumers willing to finance or save for it? I can see large companies optimizing workflow for it already and ordering in bulk. I am so torn as a normal consumer. I saved up and bought a 3,000 dollar pc after a year, and i don’t know if this product is really for me or not. I use my computer constantly, but have a quest 2 collecting dust.. this honestly feels like one of the coolest tech releases I have ever been around for and I don’t know if I’m over hyping it in my mind or if it’s really revolutionary.
I kind of understand your position. In a kind of similar place as well, I think it's a revolution in terms of usability, since now it uses your eye tracking instead of console used in quest to select stuff. This makes the AR more natural and user friendly. When I think back iPhone was kind of in the same bag in 2007. It was an expensive niche product and a revolution to smartphone. How was it a revolution? It changed how we interacted with a phone, such as: you use you hand instead of stylus. There was also app store where developers can utilise the hardwares to make softwares. Now my prediction might be proven wrong in some years, but I feel the same revolutionary work has been done by apple again with the vision pro since it changed how we think of AR. Sorry for such a long text, I'm also just an excited person when it comes to tech
You won't be running around outside with the vision pro 2. It's too expensive, too big and clunky and too short on battery life for that. So If you mean VR/AR in your home, it might be a start, but won't be the next big thing until a decent amount of people have them, because only then will developers start to develop specifically for AR. I'd give it a few more years until it really hits.
@@Dylan-zm3ht Apple maps will also take you on private property and get you arrested for going into restricted areas on power plants, army bases, etc. Also the offline navigation by caching maps and allowing you to download maps
I do agree that it's pretty cool, but at $3500 I'll be waiting a while for the tech to mature and, more importantly, for the price to drop before I'll be able to afford one of those headsets.
It'll be worth about $250 a year later after the planned obsolescence kicks in, next generation comes out and this thing is just a first gen original concept paperweight.
I bought a MacBook Pro last year(I’m record music at concerts for bands, and in studio). I paid cash, but they argued with me for a half hour about financing.
@@ForeverHobbit You can't say it's overpriced because there is no direct competition especially with Apple makes their own chips. You can compare a Corolla to a Civic because they have similar specs. There is no comparable product at the moment for that headset
This is the most "Apple" presentation ever: awesome new technologies, incredibly high price tags, baffling arbitrary limitations. If there was any chance of me dropping 12k on a computer, the fact that I can't upgrade anything except the storage would have been a dealbreaker.
I know at least 5 people that are named Siri. This is spelling trouble for a lot of meet ups. We kinda got used to leaving away the "hey" to avoid triggering it, but now it's basically impossible.
The thing that worries me about the price of the headset is that it's going to most likely cause other companies to jack up their prices as well. Leaving only Chinese no-names to swoop in and steal the "affordable" category.
That's why I wish apple would go out of business, I despise apple and hate it when other companies start to copy them when they remove features and functionality
@@TruthDoesNotExist 100% in agreement. Steve Jobs was the largest cancer on technology and its growth. And no, he wasn't an innovator. He purposefully went after tiny startups that were dong revolutionary things, stole from them, took them to court using the Corrupt texas Judge Coh that they bought and paid for, and slowly drained that tiny start up of its funds to then buy the corpse for pennies on the dollar. Then they got a little too full of themselves and tried going after Motorola over "Radio" patents. YOU KNOW, the company that invented the cell phones and holds the vast majority of the patents to it, which I believe is now in Google's hands.
It's the opposite. Apple can afford those prices, since Apple fanboys buy everything. The Quest Pro was already seen as too expensive and didn't sell well.
The UK Apple tax, plus VAT, plus the usual "F U" lack of price adjustment... I'd say 4 to 5 grand if not higher but we'll see if Apple can NOT fook up regional pricing for once.
Yeah everyone, Replace your TV and buy one of these headsets for everyone in your family, all the while looking like your about to go for a family snorkelling trip!
Reality: A wire came loose - a rather simple fix. Apple Store "Genius": Yeah, this thing's totally ruined. The best we can do for you is suggest you buy a complete replacement at full price.
The hilarious thing about the AR glasses is that Apple expects people to remain tethered to a power source at all times. This is always the problem with AR' needing to wear literally a suit of lithium battery packs just to get a decent days' use out of them.
Very compelling point. Personally, I’d love to have it despite that. But that’s just me, I won’t use this for more than 1.5-2 hours at a time. Doubt others have the same low stamina that I do. Maybe this could also be a good thing. There’s a hinderance to over using it. I think it’s an interesting to see how this device will be actually used. Would most use it for movies? Games? Work? That would make the extent of the battery issue more clear
@@TheStonesQT93 I think the real problem here is the fact that Apple's shoving a whole-ass computer into something that's meant for just displaying things. Wade Nixon / DankPods had issues with his Pro Display monitor after _a firmware update._ I think making it an independent unit is the wrong approach. We can emulate a PCIe 3.0 4x connection using a USB-C cable and Intel Thunderbolt. There's literally nothing stopping anyone from having these AR devices dependent on a high-end tablet with higher-end I / O supporting such a thing, and it would be cheaper, with longer battery life because less hardware is involved. With how powerful handsets and tablets are becoming, and with how thin laptops are being, there's _no point_ in making this something which is independent. Attach it to a phone for AR, attach it to a PC for virtual displays. Compromise a little on the display tech (lower res front-display with 30 FPS) or omit it completely and go full Google Glasses, reprising the reviled "Glasshole". Certainly it'll look a lot less goofy than… _this._ This thing isn't winning anything except for most over-engineered AR / XR solution. Apple is the Sony in this fight, while mediocrity dependent on another computer will reign supreme
@@bluephreakr They want to pioneer spatial computing. You need a new operating system for that. If you run that from another device, it essentially becomes a tower instead of another device/master. I'm still seeing people struggle with responsive design. I can't imagine how hard product managers are going to fumble spatial reasoning breakpoints. Imagine a world with the Taco Bell app glitching out and you'll have to order your tacos off the floor.
@@DFwire My comment was about the OS, not the battery. I would prefer a larger "tower" fanny pack or something over having it in the headset. But the caveat there is that it's one system. If there were two OS's, the spatial computing would only be available when it's slaved.
I love how Apple (and every other big tech Co) uses cheap labor in other countries as an excuse to keep costs down, but then raises the price to where most people can't afford it anyway. Pay your labor if you're going to do this!
The real cost isn't manufacturing, it's the millions they spent paying people hundreds of thousands in development to actually design the product. The people designing it are definitely not getting underpaid.
@@YHDiamond Yeah everyone always seems to forget that the price of the a device doesn't just cover raw component and manufacturing costs. Most of it is R&D.
@@iamsheep oh well then I guess all the child labor and slavery is okay then. As long as we keep the price only midly absurdly expensive, then fuck them kids, amirite???
Yep! He would buy Apple's VR or other expansive Apple stuff. This is the same guy who spend 80k of gold, melt it down and made a gaming controller out of it. Just because, he can. He's literally, "The Mr. Beast of technology!" Lol .
Ignoring the price tag for now, this just means that we could probably get this amazing tech for cheaper in the future, not a vr guy but watches mkbhd's review on this since he tried it, for a gen 1 it looks promising
@@JPK1337 Dude... I have a Quest, this is so much advanced in comparison (tech wise, as Linus said, we didn't see any VR product...). And yes, the prive is at least 2x for current VR tech enthusiasts to consider. Plus tax and giggles in europe..
@@JPK1337 At this price no risk for an impulse buying. I can say here that I'll never buy it unless I win the lottery and somehow this comes high enough in the shopping list :) 12ms latency seems pretty much real time and they have IR blasters to avoid relying on visible light. But again, you're right, this is the feedback from a sale presentation, not a real life test.
@@JPK1337 It not even close to a quest. The quest cost around 180 for Meta to produce THIS costs 1500 for apple to produce, this is leagues ahead of it in everything
