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@kokliangchew3609
@kokliangchew3609 7 месяцев назад
Even though he was a Thatcher man, he still stands head and shoulders above the bilge that the Tory party has now.
@TheOffkilter
@TheOffkilter 7 месяцев назад
Just imagine a world where a dyed in the wool Thatcherite says the Tories have gone too far away from him. What a time eh?
@lordcharfield
@lordcharfield 7 месяцев назад
From what I heard, he stood in high heels 👠 to achieve that stature 😉
@lotlot
@lotlot 7 месяцев назад
‘Even though’?!!!
@FracturedPixel
@FracturedPixel 7 месяцев назад
they don't make tories like this anymore. How sad, even as a Labour supporter I know the country is better off when we have strong and respectable parties debating the best path forward. Not this bilge water we have now from the tory government
@kanedNunable
@kanedNunable 7 месяцев назад
yup. 10 minutes in and he hasnt told us a clear lie yet. how refreshing for a tory.
@nickbarton3191
@nickbarton3191 7 месяцев назад
So, it's clear. No party can reverse Brexit damage. Therefore vote for a party that you consider least tainted by corruption. HINT, it's not the Tories.
@chatham43
@chatham43 7 месяцев назад
@nick Liberal democrats...are you out of your mind!
@kendiamond8722
@kendiamond8722 7 месяцев назад
​@@chatham43naw but I bet you are 😂
@chatham43
@chatham43 7 месяцев назад
@ken See you gave your comment the thumbs up..😂😂
@kendiamond8722
@kendiamond8722 7 месяцев назад
@@chatham43 it's one more than reform will get 🤣🤣🤣
@silondon9010
@silondon9010 7 месяцев назад
A Romanian Beggar outside every supermarket in London thanks to free movement from the European Union 😢
@Contraster671
@Contraster671 7 месяцев назад
Everyone was lied too, Johnson was the end of the conservative party. I was a lifetime conservative but this is the end of them. Thank you Lord Paten.
@rrbh
@rrbh 7 месяцев назад
As a 'lifetime' Conservative you have a lot to feel thoroughly ashamed about.
@blehoo1
@blehoo1 7 месяцев назад
He is so spot on with everything. Nothing can be done to make up for the abortion of a decision that was Brexit. But it's not just Brexit it's the hard Brexit we have ended up with that has given this country next to no hope of any tangible growth for the foreseeable. I sincerely hope The Labour Party re-negotiate our entry into the single market as soon as possible so we can see some proper benefits before the election in 5 years time. We can then have a proper debate about re-joining the EU in the late 2030s
@Poseiden2
@Poseiden2 7 месяцев назад
Always admired Patten. A man of common sense and dignity, even when dealing with difficult events such as the handover of Hong Kong. His straight-talking here should be listened to, perhaps it's time we respected experts again.
@kevinengland7444
@kevinengland7444 7 месяцев назад
Dignity? DIGNITY! He sat next to Prince Charles at the Hong Kong handover ceremony crying like a baby! Prince Charles looked quite perplexed. I'll never forget it because it was cringeworthy and humiliating for this country.
@minui8758
@minui8758 6 месяцев назад
@@kevinengland7444I really didn’t take it that way. It was genuinely emotional and called for a bit of physical emotion. 150 of thousands of shared relationships. It’s tragic
@anthonysullivan3238
@anthonysullivan3238 7 месяцев назад
And this is what the tories have lost. A decent intelligent impressive man, instead they've got Jonathan Gullis
@proffessorclueless
@proffessorclueless 7 месяцев назад
🤣
@bluepurgatory2927
@bluepurgatory2927 7 месяцев назад
Pattten a rabid remoaner who sold out the people of Hong Kong.
@Mark-x3l
@Mark-x3l 7 месяцев назад
I couldn't agree more. I have never been a fan of the Conservatives, but when you look at the hollowed-out and dumbed down Conservative parliamentary party and cabinet, you wish for the days of Major and dare I say it Thatcher!
@kevinengland7444
@kevinengland7444 7 месяцев назад
I remember Patten crying like a baby sat next to Prince Charles at the Hong Kong handover ceremony. Prince Charles looked uncomfortable and rightly so. That act alone is a luminous example of who not to allow to run a country for he utterly humiliated us on the world stage.
@scooby1992
@scooby1992 7 месяцев назад
@@kevinengland7444 Our control of Hong Kong was due to end and the territory be handed back to China in 1999 .
@petekadenz9465
@petekadenz9465 7 месяцев назад
How very sane. And he’s right, not just about Brexit, but also that the Conservatives no longer exists. It’s now now a dangerous, right of centre and increasingly far right party. Brexit was not just a terrible mistake, was also an unpatriotic policy because of the damage it has done and is doing to our standard of living and economic prosperity.
@virtious8
@virtious8 7 месяцев назад
We are the only country that imposed economic sanctions on itself.
@l33jcm
@l33jcm 7 месяцев назад
A refreshing change to hear the truth from a Tory!
@sydnorth5868
@sydnorth5868 7 месяцев назад
There used to be quite a few of them, but all those that were left were kicked out of the Conservative Party by Johnson.
@Mounhas
@Mounhas 7 месяцев назад
@@sydnorth5868100% correct.
@timsimmons5953
@timsimmons5953 7 месяцев назад
Apert from a lot of waffle he said it, Brexit is madness.
@berthold23150
@berthold23150 7 месяцев назад
As a 74 year old father and grandfather I am extremely concerned for the safety and future of my offspring because we have a warmongering ruling class intent to manage and control the public with fearmongering, lies and harsh laws whilst allowing themselves to be serial offenders.
@coppershark1973
@coppershark1973 7 месяцев назад
Not to mention climate change.
@chatham43
@chatham43 7 месяцев назад
@bert So which of that didn't you make up?😊
@kendiamond8722
@kendiamond8722 7 месяцев назад
​@@chatham43he's spot on, now pull up your pants and run along little boy 😂
@berthold23150
@berthold23150 7 месяцев назад
In four days I will appear at Westminster Magistrates to be made a criminal for sending an offensive email to a couple of front benchers. Clean record, excellent character references and flawless work life I will be made a criminal for the audacity. No joke. This is a police state. Wake up.
@JRattheranch
@JRattheranch 7 месяцев назад
Chris could have said "respect"! He enjoyed respect as party chairman as did John Major and many others! There in now currently zero respect for any of the current charlatan's ! How interesting that Chris Patten isn't afraid to mention the dreaded Brexit! Hence respect for him and it makes my prior argument!
@stephenreeds3632
@stephenreeds3632 7 месяцев назад
When are people going to realise that the whole mess began in 1979 when a certain person imposed her warped view of the world.
@davidgoddard3903
@davidgoddard3903 7 месяцев назад
Listening to this man and then returning to the current reality highlights our political decline
@petergaskin1811
@petergaskin1811 7 месяцев назад
They lost that when they allowed the Brexit referendum in the first place. All downhill since the referendum.
@richardhowlett4097
@richardhowlett4097 7 месяцев назад
It was well before brexit. They've always been into profits and share dividends. They don't want lowly workers to have money, that's why they make workers go on strike.
@RogerWade-wp4cr
@RogerWade-wp4cr 7 месяцев назад
Second best PM UK never had. (First? John Smith.)
@tariq_sharif
@tariq_sharif 7 месяцев назад
Hesaltine ? He would be third on that list..
@robred19
@robred19 7 месяцев назад
Until the stem of Brexit is faced, the UK faces a bleak time. We all know it, the evidence is in and we now owe it to our younger generations to remedy what is a self-inflicted wound.
@chatham43
@chatham43 7 месяцев назад
@rob It ain't gonna happen boyo..so time to stop whinging..roll your sleeves up...and make it work...
@robred19
@robred19 7 месяцев назад
@@chatham43 you cannot make a crashed car work...
@Stan_55UK
@Stan_55UK 7 месяцев назад
@@robred19 Indeed. Like a crashed car, Brexit is a write off.
@edc8388
@edc8388 7 месяцев назад
NO - but they have lost the plot, and they lost that years ago.
@howmanybeansmakefive
@howmanybeansmakefive 7 месяцев назад
How is the possibility of a ‘benefit of the doubt’ even a question after 14 years of government track record!?
@johnrussell3961
@johnrussell3961 7 месяцев назад
They realise we have lost all doubt they are of no benefit.
@simonpaine2347
@simonpaine2347 7 месяцев назад
One of the questions that will never be answered is what happened to the North Sea Oil revenues? Norway has been investing its surplus revenues and currently has a government owned fund with $1.62 Trillion! The interest currently funds more than 15% of government expenditure. The British hierarchy just peed it up the wall I guess!
@chatham43
@chatham43 7 месяцев назад
@poshsimon Well it's somewhere. Checked your Swiss bank accounts recently?
@garysmith5025
@garysmith5025 7 месяцев назад
It was used to break the unions, deindustrialise, and build up the financial services sectors. We're now seeing the long term effects of those policies in huge wealth inequality. A brave government would introduce a wealth and expatriation taxes which would reverse those effects very quickly.
@kenmmseven
@kenmmseven 5 месяцев назад
Handed out as profit and dole money.
@MrJaspett
@MrJaspett 7 месяцев назад
Reminds me of the days when the Tories were serious men in grey suits who actually had principles.
@josiekaposie5783
@josiekaposie5783 7 месяцев назад
like supporting apartheid , destroying British manufacturing , privatising everything , oh yes the glory days .
@jordan-kj1bh
@jordan-kj1bh 7 месяцев назад
😂😂 did they really exist ? I find that very hard to believe
@coppershark1973
@coppershark1973 7 месяцев назад
When was that? Not in my lifetime and I’m 50 now. They have ALWAYS been interested in one thing only, MONEY.
@chatham43
@chatham43 7 месяцев назад
@mrjaspet But you never believed that did you.😊
@richardhowlett4097
@richardhowlett4097 7 месяцев назад
Exactly, money, shares and PROFITS!@@coppershark1973
@jimbo1001-u9q
@jimbo1001-u9q 7 месяцев назад
Brexit as broken us......how can you vote for a party that introduced it ?
@grahampeters7297
@grahampeters7297 7 месяцев назад
I don't remember voting for Rwanda.
@chatham43
@chatham43 7 месяцев назад
@graham What do you remember?
@alana8863
@alana8863 7 месяцев назад
@@chatham43Good pivot. Pity it avoided the question, but that's the point of pivots, isn't it?
@mattspintosmith5285
@mattspintosmith5285 7 месяцев назад
Great to hear Chris Patten quoting Adlai Stevenson - a great, wise statesman and a Unitarian. (from a Unitarian minister) :-)
@gavinedinburgh
@gavinedinburgh 6 месяцев назад
Although he's been away from Westminster for a while, he just oozes gravitas, intellect and a thorough grasp of his brief. To think that the cabinet that was voted out in 1997 consisted almost entirely of people of this calibre...and look at the shallow shower of muppets we have now....
@johnkiernan4586
@johnkiernan4586 7 месяцев назад
Great stuff decency has been replaced by treachery to further despicable individuals careers
@kennethvenezia4400
@kennethvenezia4400 7 месяцев назад
Great interview! Even my cat enjoyed it!😼 Thank you 😊
@gordoncharles741
@gordoncharles741 7 месяцев назад
Fear Russia and Putin, I fear my own government the most and what disaster they will lead us into to next.
@chatham43
@chatham43 7 месяцев назад
@gordon No you don't Gordon...let's not get hysterical again!
@gordoncharles741
@gordoncharles741 7 месяцев назад
@@chatham43 the only hysterical I get is hysterical with laughter at the endless clownish comments of the goon @chatham43
@StuartMiles74
@StuartMiles74 7 месяцев назад
I don’t agree with his politics but you can’t deny he’s very learned. Contrast that with the almost dry pool of talent currently on offer in the Conservative Party. Can anyone name a cabinet minister now with any intellect?
@chatham43
@chatham43 7 месяцев назад
@stuart Can you name any politician?
@kennethvenezia4400
@kennethvenezia4400 7 месяцев назад
Larry the cat🙀
@suhailski
@suhailski 7 месяцев назад
Btw, I think Marr and Patten should do maybe a 6 episode podcast together and talk about Hong Kong, China and Asia in general.
@Trax777
@Trax777 7 месяцев назад
Finally someone with sense enough to talk the truth, Marr looked like he was sat on a cactus but reluctantly asked the questions
@DocNick68
@DocNick68 7 месяцев назад
Always hard to take seriously Tories who served under Thatcher when they bemoan the current party for being too right wing. Economically and sociall the Tory party of the 1980s was far more right wing than the current lot.
@Human_Herbivore
@Human_Herbivore 7 месяцев назад
The only thing that happens to the tory party over time is that the clownshow gets more clowns.
@simonbamford8441
@simonbamford8441 7 месяцев назад
A great and thoughtful statesman.
@ColinBarrett001
@ColinBarrett001 7 месяцев назад
Without doubt!
@Gouldsonuk
@Gouldsonuk 7 месяцев назад
When I say I disagree with the Tory party but that you used to be able to rely on them for a steady competence, I sometimes get funny looks. But this is the kind of person that the Conservative Party should have running it - a cold calculating competent person who has the goal of steady management of the country. The current party’s obsession with culture wars and ‘stopping the boats’ just makes them look insane to me.
@iangascoigne8231
@iangascoigne8231 7 месяцев назад
It’s about time.
@hansweissmann_xviii6754
@hansweissmann_xviii6754 7 месяцев назад
When the last governor of Hongkong went to HK, the Chinese economy was just shy of 430 billion USD (1992). In 2023, the Chinese GDP exceeded 17.5 TRILLION USD, or 17,520 billion USD to be precise. What is Chris Patten ranting about??! Want to see the UK GDP over that period? Plateauing, you say?
@chatham43
@chatham43 7 месяцев назад
@hans It's all about money with you!
@hansweissmann_xviii6754
@hansweissmann_xviii6754 7 месяцев назад
@@chatham43 8 hours ago @hans It's all about money with you! Sorry, you didn't hear what Chris said? Is English a problem? Or something else?
@astratan2238
@astratan2238 7 месяцев назад
Chinese GDP *is* plateauing though. If you don’t understand why that’s important for their stability then you don’t understand China.
@adamgibson7181
@adamgibson7181 7 месяцев назад
Where is the full interview?
@EthanZoid
@EthanZoid 7 месяцев назад
Ah we roll out the drivel from 90s to appear intelligent today.
@momeara7482
@momeara7482 7 месяцев назад
It's not working in your own case.
@LinPug-cg6my
@LinPug-cg6my 2 месяца назад
Oh gosh, I think Patten cannot forget about my Hong Kong.
@tomthumb2361
@tomthumb2361 7 месяцев назад
A proper politician. Talks like a statesman. What a rarity!
@Itskilo
@Itskilo 7 месяцев назад
ZERO seats, lets go!
@datingdave1310
@datingdave1310 7 месяцев назад
Never had any 'doubt'... remember your ABCs - Anything But Con-servative!
@ianfraser6161
@ianfraser6161 7 месяцев назад
Yes
@gileshorton8282
@gileshorton8282 7 месяцев назад
Would that he were still in front of line politics.
@jsd8981
@jsd8981 7 месяцев назад
They have lost much much more than that...
@williamwong1069
@williamwong1069 6 месяцев назад
9:09 "(Keir Starmer/ Rachel Reeves) don't seem to me to be dangerous.." Are you really sure? Lord Pattern is a great guy but it sometimes puzzles me that in his speech it shows that he has some degree of preference for socialism. I am anticipating tax rising for the general public in a years time. not sure if this is considered dangerous, but definitely not something to look forward to.
@nickstevens7931
@nickstevens7931 7 месяцев назад
Common sense conservatism - the shadow of a once great political party.
@davidbentley4731
@davidbentley4731 7 месяцев назад
Remember when this was reflective of the Tories. Ahhh
@spartacusforlife1508
@spartacusforlife1508 7 месяцев назад
Neither party is a broad church now. Patten would probably feel comfortable sitting alongside Starmer.
@momeara7482
@momeara7482 7 месяцев назад
Who wouldn't?
@alanconway94
@alanconway94 7 месяцев назад
Even "decent, reasonable" Tories are capable of doing incredible harm to UK citizens. Their track record is clear.
@waynemarlow8157
@waynemarlow8157 7 месяцев назад
Another remoner! Boring
@oc2phish07
@oc2phish07 7 месяцев назад
I always had, and still have, great respect for Lord Chris Patten. If only we had more people like him in Parliament now, on BOTH sides of the House.
@davidalderson7761
@davidalderson7761 7 месяцев назад
Defence spending - with NATO and its allies overmatching by a fair wedge its military doctrine, spending, strategy and tactics, numbers of advanced armour, aircraft carriers and 3rd Generation aircraft…..if it came to the true crunch of non nuclear combat, what country can Russia beat, it can’t even beat Ukraine in the 14 days every so called pundit and EX general said it could. China has a king way to go. Taiwan is not Normandy 1944. The failure of the British MOD and Abbey Wood in procurement total incompetence isn’t the military but they do single handedly achieve a negative impact of fighting capacity. NATO and its other allies are unlikely to loose a convenient war. Yes it could of course but it’s unlikely and everyone knows it. Except in the case of a nuclear strike of course. Then all bets are off. How much do we End up spending 2X or 10x NATO budget of $1TN a year.
@JustTakeAMoment
@JustTakeAMoment 7 месяцев назад
Staying in the single market but leaving the EU was the best option on the table but no one seemed to want that. However, Brexit of itself gives us back our Sovereignty, which shouldn't be underestimated in a time of difficulty, such as we find ourselves in today. We have seen sleight of hand from the incumbent government which has undermined their own credibility. Trust has been lost and they have no chance of winning it back in the near future. The best they can hope for is that businesses continue to support them after they are defeated at the next election. Personally, I think businessmen will look at alternatives after the next General Election, to sponsor.
@alisonwilson9749
@alisonwilson9749 7 месяцев назад
What use is this so-called sovereignty you're on about? What can we do that we couldn't do from inside the EU?
@shaunmiller7370
@shaunmiller7370 7 месяцев назад
Say there’s a point people do watch the finer points of parties political parties and we do expect better we expect honesty, integrity morals do I have to go on Tories and labour are a shambles . It’s either independent MPs or the green party or labour MPs that are standing for the right things, social housing, bringing our utilities in house, getting it out of the hands of shareholders. Building the hospitals schools it’s gonna be a long road but that is the real choices of this country. We overhauling the police root and branch building. The infrastructure of this country equipping our arm forces properly stop wasting money on IT that doesn’t work.
@RonaldPeers
@RonaldPeers 7 месяцев назад
Looking at the thumb nail ..says they have even sold the çhairs ...
@wilbjr21
@wilbjr21 7 месяцев назад
Top man !!!!
@gmanlee575
@gmanlee575 7 месяцев назад
Mr pattern is talking about economy stutter and stammer yet is forecasted 5% growth, whereas uk is in a recession or if lucky grow 0.1%🤭
@baratoplata7050
@baratoplata7050 7 месяцев назад
Where is the rest? Enjoyed the conversation, but the audio is a bit amateur! Lots of hiss on Pattens mic
@jonathand8873
@jonathand8873 7 месяцев назад
Nuggs
@BoredomIncarnate1
@BoredomIncarnate1 7 месяцев назад
Can you lose something that you've never had?
@Jamie-nt3eh
@Jamie-nt3eh 7 месяцев назад
Why would people listen to politician which couldn't get into parliament?
@SigmundJaehn
@SigmundJaehn 7 месяцев назад
Did you just google him comrade?
@Stan_55UK
@Stan_55UK 7 месяцев назад
Why wouldn't they?
@ZeeUK21
@ZeeUK21 7 месяцев назад
Two parties of the same backside: Left wing zionist.. Right wing zionist. Take your pick.
@Midland_Wolf_71
@Midland_Wolf_71 7 месяцев назад
Not at all, I’ve doubted them ever since I was around 8 years old when Thatcher came to power…..
@aion5837
@aion5837 7 месяцев назад
Tedious one-sided debate. The US covered Europe's defence but that's coming to an end. So, they are all scrabbling around trying to justify increased spending on defence. The comparison he made between imported Chinese goods and Russian energy was ridiculous in the extreme.
@westvirginiaglutenfreepepp7006
@westvirginiaglutenfreepepp7006 7 месяцев назад
The US is not ending support of Europe; see: NATO. Nonsense statement
@guff9567
@guff9567 7 месяцев назад
Patten betrayed Hong Kong
@mwd331
@mwd331 7 месяцев назад
Im not hugely read up on it but my understanding is that we had no choice but to leave Hong Kong. Why do you feel its his fault?
@hastekulvaati9681
@hastekulvaati9681 7 месяцев назад
Sorry what was he supposed to do, take on China?
@CuthbertsFudgeCupboard
@CuthbertsFudgeCupboard 7 месяцев назад
Lease ran out didn't it?
@johnrussell3961
@johnrussell3961 7 месяцев назад
China was not Argentina! We only defend principle when we think we can win. Who wants another Suez?
@tonybrett5209
@tonybrett5209 7 месяцев назад
It was only 'rented' until 1999.
@johnhay4228
@johnhay4228 7 месяцев назад
If Boris Johnson had done what was asked of him to get Brexit done this country would be in a better state than it is in now conservatives fault ,not Brexit
@martinhommel9967
@martinhommel9967 7 месяцев назад
What does getting Brexit done even mean?
@CuthbertsFudgeCupboard
@CuthbertsFudgeCupboard 7 месяцев назад
What was asked of him?
@taterdemalion1
@taterdemalion1 7 месяцев назад
Brexit was sold on the basis of lies by charlatans who did not understand the consequences which have been so disastrous for every aspect of our society. Surely everyone realises now that Brexit could never have worked and the Tories are responsible.
@andrewcockburn7484
@andrewcockburn7484 7 месяцев назад
What should he have done differently?
@tonybrett5209
@tonybrett5209 7 месяцев назад
You mean the impossible?
@Raithlinx
@Raithlinx 7 месяцев назад
This ladies and gentleman. Is a conservative. I can disagree with this man around policy and party. I can't disagree with integrity. The current tory crop. Thats a different matter
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Gareth Evans Oration delivered by Lord Chris Patten
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