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Have we Translated Genesis 1 Wrong All this Time?! 

Dr. Michael S. Heiser
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Many people think that Genesis 1:1 talks about creation out of nothing, but that is based on an outdated translation of the text. The most accurate translation may surprise you, but it is crucial to your understanding of creation. Check this out!

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@RaisingMyWildflowers
@RaisingMyWildflowers 5 месяцев назад
I love these teachings. He's one of the few people that I mourned despite never having had met him. I couldn't believe how he was still teaching on his death bed. I've learned so much and it's helped me knowing what direction to seek additional information. I trust that there's others out there who are going to carry out his work.
@masimba5000
@masimba5000 5 месяцев назад
Well you wasted your time and tears
@HEBREWESS
@HEBREWESS 5 месяцев назад
@@masimba5000 🤗
@marshagail2727
@marshagail2727 5 месяцев назад
✝️♥️Well said👊
@deludedjester
@deludedjester 5 месяцев назад
​@@masimba5000"Jesus wept."
@masimba5000
@masimba5000 5 месяцев назад
@@deludedjester it's a parable. What does it actually mean?
@sammcrae8892
@sammcrae8892 5 месяцев назад
I love listening to Dr. Heiser. I often listen to him or Les Feldick to get to sleep at night, not because they are boring, but they have soothing voices and I can replay them later to hear anything I might miss. They just help slow it down for me and promote a peaceful mindset. It's a shame that we lost them both recently, but the Lord Jesus Christ has all things in His hands. 🙏✝️👑✝️🙏
@Sooner-im9qf
@Sooner-im9qf 5 месяцев назад
Oh no. I didn't know Les Feldick passed. So, so sorry to hear that. He was a great teacher. He will be missed.
@GGboy369.X
@GGboy369.X 4 месяца назад
ASMR
@solutions553
@solutions553 3 месяца назад
Add, Bob George to teaching list..he a Feldick understood Grace, New and Old testaments and thier correct context...
@kennethdelk3842
@kennethdelk3842 2 месяца назад
I do the same thing, I loved them both very much
@antichrist_revealed
@antichrist_revealed Месяц назад
Les Feldick taught the Jack Van Impe program of prophecy. He was a great deceiver. And still is because of all his videos out there.
@tobycoxon8138
@tobycoxon8138 5 месяцев назад
Mike was literally on his deathbed posting clips explaining the Bible. What a heart he had for bringing Scholarship to regular Christians. He (and Tim Mackie), revived my dying faith about a year ago and now I'm quitting Architecture and am off to Seminary myself. One day I'll thank him.
@tuvoca825
@tuvoca825 5 месяцев назад
Very cool. Anyone who prevents the Accuser from bastardizing children of G-d... anyone who advicates to bring people closer to the Father... is on the right team! Even if they don't necessarily all think the same.
@ferrosjewellers4558
@ferrosjewellers4558 5 месяцев назад
Toby, he is currently in hell. Sorry to bring you this news.
@tracy5721
@tracy5721 5 месяцев назад
And how do you know that? 🙄​@@ferrosjewellers4558
@lincolnuland5443
@lincolnuland5443 5 месяцев назад
​@@ferrosjewellers4558what makes you say that?
@bradc6199
@bradc6199 5 месяцев назад
​@@ferrosjewellers4558this makes YOU seem like a nutjob.
@LoveJesus-gd4es
@LoveJesus-gd4es 5 месяцев назад
Recently i went through a youtube comment a pastor from india shared his testimony ,i was intrested so looked for his contact so i ended up finding his number and called him. What a life people are living for christ in these countries the man is almost losing everything but not his faith was beaten up by people separated from family no home to live but still strong on faith. He prayed for me on a phone call and i got healed right away of my knee issues and started walking praise god for men like him
@Mar.y.Luz111
@Mar.y.Luz111 4 месяца назад
Praise Heavenly Father.
@HappySunshineG
@HappySunshineG 3 месяца назад
Wow
@Vixsniper
@Vixsniper Месяц назад
What's his phone number? 🙏😃
@LoveJesus-gd4es
@LoveJesus-gd4es Месяц назад
@@Vixsniper youtube doesnt allow to type
@yallneedjesus7051
@yallneedjesus7051 9 дней назад
@@LoveJesus-gd4es spell it out
@abirdynumnum9612
@abirdynumnum9612 5 месяцев назад
The late Mike Heiser brigs out the most beautiful yet simple grammatical points. Makes one think. Clear thinking takes repetition and great teachers. Working in Hebrew and Greek for over 20-years, there is always more to learn. Such a joy!
@Baltic_Hammer6162
@Baltic_Hammer6162 5 месяцев назад
Plus he was proficient in some other Ancient Near East languages and culture, all which effected the context of the Israelite nation. He also knew a fair amount of Egyptian hieroglyphics. He was reading Bible commentaries in study hall in 7th and 8th grades. I'm so glad God sent us a man like Micheal Heiser. NOBODY remotely is/was close to Heiser in his broad and deep knowledge coupled with a strong desire to make scholarly material understandable and accessible to the public.
@abirdynumnum9612
@abirdynumnum9612 5 месяцев назад
@@Baltic_Hammer6162 Indeed, Mike Heiser was a gifted scholar--a scholar's scholar, one might say. Of course, there are many scholars around the world (UK, Europe, Asia, NZ and Australia, etc.) who are perhaps just as skilled in his or her field of biblical studies and ancient languages (way more than can be listed here, but thinking of notable eminent scholars such as Kenneth Kitchen (Egyptology), Bruce Waltke (Hebrew/Semitic languages), and the late Alan Gardiner (Egyptologist and philologist). Along with the acquisition of academic knowledge is the important practical aspects of collaborating with God in the real world--namely dealing with the kinds of entities to which Mike Heiser addresses. We seem in short supply of those who can 'show' vs. too many who simply 'tell'.
@Baltic_Hammer6162
@Baltic_Hammer6162 4 месяца назад
@@abirdynumnum9612 I heard Heiser complain several times about Bible scholars only discussing topics among themselves, never thinking of the public. That's where Heiser was so valuable to the work of the Body of Christ's Church by doing what others did not.
@richiejourney1840
@richiejourney1840 3 месяца назад
@@Baltic_Hammer6162from what I glean from the scholars is that it’s not that his fellow scholars didn’t think about “the public”. It’s that the “public” can’t handle it. Creating waves where none should be extremely agreed upon and dogmatic is very problematic and further dividing. As Mike himself has pointed out: not even the early creeds go beyond simply stating that God created and nothing more to be dogmatic about that was needed to be expounded upon. This info is not new to the “public” actually. I easily discovered these things before I found Mike. Why? Because I followed Gods teachings and keep educating myself in Him. The Bible does not make the claim “scripture alone”. Yet it does claim “seek Him through nature and the scriptures that testify of Him”. That is…”all that is natural and supernatural”. Thus, the scriptures are of huge importance and should be studied because they are both natural and super natural wherein God has deemed the fuzzy things to be much more clear to us.
@BRoop89
@BRoop89 5 месяцев назад
Every time I watch him speak I think of how much the modern church lost with his passing. I’m so thankful for his online ministry.
@ImmanuelOluwanifise
@ImmanuelOluwanifise 5 месяцев назад
The "modern church" hasn't lost, trust me. People are already picking up from where he stopped.
@mattgause3178
@mattgause3178 5 месяцев назад
Yes, Dr Heiser was an excellent scholar, and left us a lasting record of solid Bible teaching for future generations
@lindyswanson1
@lindyswanson1 5 месяцев назад
...and the work goes on because God is the author and finisher of our faith. God will perfect us, thst is, make us complete and whole, lacking in nothing.
@KVBruce
@KVBruce 5 месяцев назад
Amen 🙏
@rosemarietolentino3218
@rosemarietolentino3218 5 месяцев назад
Unfortunately most Church's are to busy paying attention to Doctrine to read the scriptures diligently. Some Pastor’s have problems with people who know how to rightly divide the word.
@billbailey5689
@billbailey5689 5 месяцев назад
I first read Dr Heiser's Unseen Realm in 2017. It totally blew the lid off my current understanding of the Bible at that time. I still go back and discover more. I knew there is way more of our understanding of the Bible and the reality of the unseen. I am positive that the Lord led me to his book looking back. He is greatly missed. But he left a treasure of teaching far more worth than gold. He's basking in the Lord's Glory now. Besides his teaching, his faith throughout his sickness is a witness to the asurredness of what he believed. Well done, Dr. Heiser. Well done!
@nigelmcculloch3746
@nigelmcculloch3746 5 месяцев назад
Interesting comment, did you know that you can get even deeper in understanding the scriptures if you throw off the restraints of human traditions and superstitions, swallow a wee bit of pride ,then in your minds eye when you come across the phrase: " the lord God " or "lord " it has been put there to hide God's name Jehovah! So next time you read Jesus Christ's words at Mark 12 vs 28-34, you will have a better understanding who Jesus was talking about seeing he was quoting scripture, Deuteronomy 6 vs 4,5
@liljade53
@liljade53 5 месяцев назад
@@nigelmcculloch3746 no one is hiding the name Jehovah. I hear sermon's and teaching all the time, good ones, one Jehovah Jireh, Jehovah Rapha, Jehovah Nissi, Jehovah Shalom, etc. No one is hiding the man Jehovah.
@nigelmcculloch3746
@nigelmcculloch3746 5 месяцев назад
@@liljade53 so why has God's name been removed from the scriptures and still is missing from most modern translations?
@liljade53
@liljade53 5 месяцев назад
@@nigelmcculloch3746 I don't think anything sinister is going on.
@nigelmcculloch3746
@nigelmcculloch3746 5 месяцев назад
@@liljade53 Pope Benedict in the early 2000,s issued a decree that God's name Jehovah was not to be used or seen in their worship any more. Is there something sinister in leaving out God's name in our worship of him? Well judge for yourself, you have a name, how would you feel if despite you giving your name to others and generously supplying a comfortable means to live and even a house to live in, the people refuse to refer to you by name, in fact they start to disrespect you?
@tonylee7163
@tonylee7163 4 месяца назад
Verse 3 makes it clear that there was an original person, with a mouth to speak, a language already agreed upon, and the power in those words to manifest reality. All before time began.
@bruceshaw3881
@bruceshaw3881 3 месяца назад
Yes, that is The Word in John 1:1.
@rizdekd3912
@rizdekd3912 3 месяца назад
How can words be spoken without any time in which to speak them. Time is the temporal separation between things...even words in sequence. So if God 'said' some words in sequence, then that sequence implies time. And if those words happened in one eternal moment, then nothing separated God's eternal existence and those words which resulted in creation meaning creation always was...ie creation exists eternally. There could be no existence at all...not even God's existence but that God uttered those words and it happened.
@mrpocock
@mrpocock 3 месяца назад
There is no notion of time beginning in genesis 1. I'm not sure that's even a concept that the writers would have been able to articulate.
@jefffeix8576
@jefffeix8576 2 месяца назад
@@mrpocock Well Gensis was written by Moses who WASNT around at creation so he was INSPIRED BY the Holy Spirit what to write because the Holy Spirit was PRESENT at the act of creation along with God and Jesus. And many times in Gen.1 God said the evening and the morning were the first day. Now since 1 Corinthians 14:33 says God IS NOT the God of confusion and having 1000 year days in Genesis when we have 24 hour days today would b VERY CONFUSING I believe it's safe to say the evening and the morning were the first day means a 24 hour day. John 14:26 tells us that the Holy Spirit WILL remind u of all I have told u, also John 16:13 says the Holy Spirit will lead us into ALL truth. Only God exists ETERNALLY. JESUS said I'm the first and the last, I'm He Who was, and Is, and IS TO COME. God can speak and act without the confines of space and time. He is beyond all that. Only man is confines by time and space. And saying that God speaking words in sequence and that sequence implies time. I mean God is going to speak in heaven as will the angels and man, yet the heaven that we will spend eternity in IS NOT boxed in by time. In eternity there's is ABSOLUTELY no need for TIME. Please read ur bible and if u believe what God said then let the Holy Spirit do His job and give Him a listen. The Bible never said MAN would lead u into all truth, He said the Holy Spirit would. God bless y'all.
@psybin
@psybin 19 дней назад
​@@rizdekd3912 Time must've begun in the beginning, right when it says "when" in the first word. If we were to try to fathom the letters and language, the building blocks of reality, and when they came into existence for God to be able to use them and speak, we can see they were uncreated and have always existed as the Word, the Son of God, as Bruce replied above. So as God separated day from night with light, and waters from waters with the firmament, He "separated" eternity from time at the first instant of the breath of creation, בְּ. Of course, we'll never know HOW this happened, and the concept of "How long did God exist in eternity before beginning to create everything?" is impossible to grasp and probably not even the right way to think about it using "how long", but it happened. That seems to be the instant the waters of the deep were formed, a sort of empty/void medium of creation. Symbolically, the second letter of the aleph-bet, bet (ב), is a house with its door open facing left. It is also Yeshua/Jesus. Creation flows from the Word. The first letter is aleph (א) and symbolizes God, the Father. What's really cool is father in Hebrew is av (אָב), so you have the Word creating everything with the Father standing silently behind Him. Then if you take the first word b'reshit (בְּרֵאשִׁית) and remove the middle three letters, you get rosh (רֹאשׁ), meaning head or chief. Then you take the first and last letters and get beit (בֵּית), or house. Then the second word bara (בָּרָא - created), where you see the aleph and bet again, and bar (בַּר) means son. If you put a space in, בָּרָ א becomes "Son of the Father/aleph". Then the third word, Elohim, and the fourth word et (אֵת), which is a direct object marker that doesn't get translated into English, and is used twice in the first verse, before "heavens' and "earth". The aleph (א) and tav (ת) are the first and last letters of the aleph-bet, so there's Jesus again! Then you see the Holy Spirit in verse 2. I didn't mean to make this so long, but it's fascinating! Revelation 22:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last. John 7:38 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.
@picsdumpsign9621
@picsdumpsign9621 3 месяца назад
thank you sir, you lifted the burden off my shoulder, i have always had these feelings that we are dealing with mis-translation in the bible and this has been impacting our understanding negatively
@plainboxer1
@plainboxer1 Месяц назад
Specifically, the Old Testament. From oral traditions, to Hebrew, etc. there are many opportunities for mis translations. After reading the Bible many times, it stills seems stilted (to me, anyway). I've always been intrigued by word origination.
@Dean_Owens
@Dean_Owens 5 месяцев назад
Sounds nice but I have two questions that need to be answered. If that's the way we should read it then why did the translators of the LXX not translate it that way? Were they confused by the Hebrew? The LXX took place between 3-1BC and was quoted by some of our Biblical authors. Second, John is making a clear call back to Genesis with his Gospel in so many ways... especially with his opening verse where he says, "In the beginning..." Did John not know his scriptures? Even a late dating of John has it at the end of the 1st century. He points out that the vowels weren't created until the 8th century AD. Unless someone can give me a better reason than what is said in this video, I think I'll stick with the earlier understanding.
@civilwar41
@civilwar41 5 месяцев назад
I was looking for a reply like yours. Everyone praising all the "great work" this guy did, when he was actively working against the faith with the liberal/critical interpretations of everything.
@HXing
@HXing 5 месяцев назад
Thanks for your input! I think the main question is not that “the”. Because even if you translate “in the beginning “, I can still view the six-day creation period as “the beginning “ verse 1:1 talks about. It’s like 1:1 is a summary of the following verses. The question should be: is 1:2 (The earth was formless and void, and darkness was over the surface of the deep…) the direct creation by the hands of God? Does God think 1:2 is good? If not, what had happened that resulted in 1:2?
@Dean_Owens
@Dean_Owens 5 месяцев назад
@@civilwar41 I don't know enough about Heiser to voice an opinion on his theology, his methods of getting there or its affects on the church. I know I've recently run into a lot of people who like him. I'm always willing to learn and entertain ideas. This one just doesn't hold up to me. I could say more but I can't figure out how to share my thoughts without writing more than someone wants to read on youtube.
@Dean_Owens
@Dean_Owens 5 месяцев назад
@@HXing His whole argument was build on translating 1:1 differently. The title of the video (I know someone else is posting it) is "Have We Translated Genesis 1 Wrong All This Time?!" My point is you can't get his translation from the LXX. What you can get is our traditional translation. And John, who was a genius and knew his scriptures, was clearly playing off the same reading and interpretation that the translators of the LXX came to. I'm not saying there's not room to have discussions about Gen 1. But his argument is based on evidence (at least as presented in this clip) that is about 1000 years older than the translation of the LXX. If you're basing your argument on something other than his "creative" translation then we can have that discussion. But basing it off his possible translation of 1:1 just doesn't hold water for me. It's fine if it does for you. I don't think this is a salvation issue and God is big enough for our questions. Hopefully we're big enough for them as well.
@HXing
@HXing 5 месяцев назад
@@Dean_Owens It’s not about the exact words, it’s about how YOU understand the scripture. Arguing about the words will bring about strife, but deep understanding brings life. He has done a good job to arouse people’s interest to dig into the original Hebrew texts. You also did a good job by giving other related texts including LXX and the book of John.
@rodglen7071
@rodglen7071 5 месяцев назад
I studied Hebrew for 3 years and came across this interpretation as well. The NIV translation footnotes it, but I'm not clear on what the implications are overall. Nor from this clip from the larger lecture. Biblical old earth adherents often claim this as support for theistic-driven, long-term evolution, culminating in the Edenic conditions at only a specific point in time much later. I don't see a contradiction here with short-earth age, and I'm not even sure if that's what Mike was getting at without seeing the whole lecture. I respect him very much, but would like to see further dialog on it.
@7seasons31
@7seasons31 5 месяцев назад
The implications are that there used to be some other sort of existence on this earth, probably related to Satan somehow. Passages in Ezekiel back that up. It’s called gap theory and it doesn’t mean that evolution is true. It still means there was a literal 6 day creation week. It just also means that the earth being created took place long, long before everything else, and probably was destroyed with a flood, hence verse 2.
@seaknightvirchow8131
@seaknightvirchow8131 5 месяцев назад
I agree. I would love to be able to explore this with Dr. Heiser. I am not sure if he is trying to posit a long age before Adam in Eden or not. If the first word can be translated either way, then we need to see how it was practically understood by the Jews of the first century thought as well as Jesus, Paul, and Peter. Christ said they were made male and female in the beginning. Paul said sin came before death. Moses wrote that created in six days. So we have some amplification by the rest of scripture. Peter wrote scoffers will say all things are continuing as they were from the beginning of creation. I have several books of Heiser on the divine council but I cannot recall his reason for this reinterpretation.
@morethanaveragejoe8224
@morethanaveragejoe8224 5 месяцев назад
@@7seasons31 Would it imply a pre-Adamic race? Fallen angels?
@7seasons31
@7seasons31 5 месяцев назад
@@morethanaveragejoe8224 chuck Missler has spoken of that possibility. But I don’t know.
@JRTIGER07
@JRTIGER07 5 месяцев назад
​​It seems there was Sin before Adam & Eve fell in the Garden of Eden ... Due to the fact there is a Tree of the knowledge of Good & Evil... Im guessing *Revelation 12 explains this Rebellion in Heaven (Fallen Angels as in *Genesis 6* ).
@amarilloshim
@amarilloshim 5 месяцев назад
Dr. Heiser's teaching has allowed me to understand the Bible in a way that actually makes sense to me. I am so thankful to have discovered his work.
@earlysda
@earlysda 5 месяцев назад
Unfortunately, his teaching is anti-Bible.
@tracy5721
@tracy5721 5 месяцев назад
@@earlysda How so? Do you have a PhD in Hebrew? Do you even know Hebrew? Or Greek? Have you even read the Bible for yourself or do you just not like what he teaches because it might contradict what you’ve been taught? You prefer to believe what your imperfect church has taught you instead of what the Bible actually says. I bet you haven’t even listened to his teachings. I bet you just make assumptions and criticize. 🙄
@marshagail2727
@marshagail2727 5 месяцев назад
​@@tracy5721👊🎯
@earlysda
@earlysda 5 месяцев назад
@@tracy5721 tracy, your judgments of me before hearing the matter are expressly forbidden by the Holy Bible. . I forgive you. . Now please repent, pray for the Holy Spirit to guide you, and start reading and following what the Holy Bible says to do.
@kathy888
@kathy888 5 месяцев назад
Did God REALLY say? We need a guru? God can't speak to us? Did God give ALL of us a brain? Do I get to worship the man in the mirror?
@sharonsteigers4162
@sharonsteigers4162 5 месяцев назад
Thank you for sharing Dr Heiser's work with us. So miss this wonderful teacher. Good Job, Dr. Heiser !
@theguyver4934
@theguyver4934 5 месяцев назад
Just like biblical and historical evidence proves that jesus and his apostles were vegatarians biblical and historical evidence also proves that the trinity, atonement, original sin and hell are very late misinterpretations and are not supported by the early creed hence its not a part of Christianity I pray that Allah swt revives Christianity both inside and out preserves and protects it and makes its massage be witnessed by all people but at the right moment, place and time The secred text of the Bible says ye shall know them by their fruits So too that I say to my christian brothers and sisters be fruitful and multiply Best regards from a Muslim ( line of ismail )
@earlysda
@earlysda 5 месяцев назад
What is good about throwing shade on the Holy Bible?
@liljade53
@liljade53 5 месяцев назад
@@theguyver4934 but if you want to talk about what misinterpretations, how about your holy book that showed up about 700-900 years later, and says many things very very different than what Jesus and the Old Testament prophets say? I pray that you will come to the knowledge of the truth, as Nabeel Qureshi and Abdu Murray and so many other people of your faith tradition have.
@otallono
@otallono 5 месяцев назад
​​@@theguyver4934endless studies prove we're meant to be eating meat and vegetables are only good for preventing starvation, we don't even absorb the nutrients from vegetables as well as we do from meat. It's easier to be a vegetarian when you're living as a poor man and personal health isn't a top priority.
@richiejourney1840
@richiejourney1840 3 месяца назад
@@theguyver4934are you saying they did not eat fish and lamb at minimum? I’m amazed…what NT are you reading?
@egopara1
@egopara1 4 месяца назад
dear Micheal Plieser. Thanks for this teaching. I made same translation 5 years ago, and my professor refused to accept it. Did not have so much support to prove the point. Thanks for granting me one
@roneesilva
@roneesilva 5 месяцев назад
It’s truly eye opener,,, back in the days,, in schools we used to work on ERC, and clauses,,, I see Dr Heiser use the clause explanation!!
@PiaseckiAdam22
@PiaseckiAdam22 5 месяцев назад
Imagine what Dr. Heiser sees now? The questions he must have now? The mind satiated only to find WAY more questions and things to learn and do in the NEXT life! Thank You Jesus for your Victory, our sins paid in full by Your Holy Perfect Righteous Blood!
@FishermensCorner
@FishermensCorner 5 месяцев назад
Nothing. He believes in the resurrection, not a soul waiting for resurrection in another place.
@TheRealPureBlood
@TheRealPureBlood 5 месяцев назад
If he's dead he sees nothing (see Ecclesiastes 9:5; Psalm 146:3, 4)
@sunnybrowne7293
@sunnybrowne7293 5 месяцев назад
What could he possibly learn? He acted like he knew everything and every other view that wasn't his was wrong.
@jimmyboy131
@jimmyboy131 5 месяцев назад
He doesn't have questions now. He's either asleep until the resurrection (depending on what you believe) or he's there now spiritually and can see things we couldn't see in this world.
@andys3035
@andys3035 5 месяцев назад
​@MatSphere ‭Luke 20:38 -For He is not the God of the dead but of the living, for all live to Him.” ‭II Corinthians 5:8 We are confident, yes, well pleased rather to be absent from the body and to be present with the Lord.
@XX847
@XX847 5 месяцев назад
So happy that his material lives on. Please honor him by passing his knowledge to all.
@abirdynumnum9612
@abirdynumnum9612 5 месяцев назад
@XX847 I am with you. Honoring the memory of another person is truly a wonderful way to remain thankful and grounded. It honors God. (It seems the apostle Paul recommended this in 1 Thess. 5:18). 🙂
@EarlHall-zi4cm
@EarlHall-zi4cm 5 месяцев назад
I am not a Hebrew scholar, nor a theologian but came to a similar conclusion years ago just from a plain reading of the text
@arlenegojocco7518
@arlenegojocco7518 5 месяцев назад
Same here.
@Baltic_Hammer6162
@Baltic_Hammer6162 5 месяцев назад
You are opposing growth in Christ with that claim. The more I learned about the Bible the more I learned how so much of it has backstories. Every detail in Scripture is there for a reason and knowing the background really fills out the deeper understanding. The more you learn from a rare bird like Michael Heiser the more you can spot meaningful detail words/sentences. Bottom line is there's not much "plain reading" in the Bible, unless you think "plain reading" is buzzing through the text with no thought or understanding what you missed.
@H0n3yc0mb7
@H0n3yc0mb7 4 месяца назад
⁠@@Baltic_Hammer6162plain reading + the Holy Spirit is a powerful combination, I don’t think they were discounting heiser or the importance of learning because obviously they watched this video.
@stephenmcguire7342
@stephenmcguire7342 4 месяца назад
Well look on the bright side, now you know the dangers of private judgement!
@pumalibrarian
@pumalibrarian 5 месяцев назад
The full lecture is on the Naked Bible RU-vid channel, titled Genesis 1 1 3 Michael Heiser
@nschlaak
@nschlaak 5 месяцев назад
Oh, thank you so very much for providing this information on where to find the rest of his lecture.
@saosaoldian6742
@saosaoldian6742 5 месяцев назад
Thank you for continuing to upload Mike’s vitally important content. I’m so grateful for his work and his “easy on the ears” method of teaching. He will be remembered as one of the greatest scholars in the Body of Christ as far as I’m concerned.
@ombandajeanpaul7117
@ombandajeanpaul7117 5 месяцев назад
I do agree with you.❤❤
@earlysda
@earlysda 5 месяцев назад
I hope Mr. Heiser repented of his attempt to throw shade on the Holy Bible.
@otallono
@otallono 5 месяцев назад
Easy on the ears isn't necessarily the best teaching. It's usually the worst.
@saosaoldian6742
@saosaoldian6742 5 месяцев назад
@@otallono well in my experience over 40 years it’s usually the most relatable leading to deeper understanding as you progress. Heiser is speaking to the layman. The lowest common denominator in the mostly anemic Protestant church in the 21st century who doesn’t even know what the differences are in translations, church history, even what the reformation was, what distinguishes denominations, what the orthodox churches believe…I could go on. He specifically said he is a bridge from the ivory tower intellectual, as I assume you are, to the laymen. Again, praise God he soiled himself and stooped to the level of us unwashed peasants.
@onefeather2
@onefeather2 5 месяцев назад
Can never get enough of Dr Heiser, sure miss his talks and lectures and it is still very hard to know he has passed and I wonder why after so many prayers God did not heal him, I know God knows but it is still hard. So thankful for the videos, many Blessings. ❤❤❤
@reijishian2593
@reijishian2593 5 месяцев назад
God is not obligated to do anything just because there is a high volume of "prayer-traffic" for a particular request. It may be that there were variables at play we will never know, or may be that God simply allowed him to return home because his work was done.
@onefeather2
@onefeather2 5 месяцев назад
@@reijishian2593 I know you are right and glad I heard him years ago in Roswell NM UFO convention, but it seems sometimes a lot of the ones passed on really gave us a look into a deeper part of the bible. Just thankful to have come across him in 2003.
@oscaralegre3683
@oscaralegre3683 5 месяцев назад
I didn't know he was dead. When he died?
@tomburgess5906
@tomburgess5906 5 месяцев назад
​@@oscaralegre3683just recently 2023
@Joan-ph2es
@Joan-ph2es 5 месяцев назад
I like thinking that Dr. Heiser is now serving on the divine council in heaven, working with God to accomplish his will on earth. And that's a good thing. I believe Dr. He used died in 2022? 2023? After a battle with cancer.
@jackfrost2978
@jackfrost2978 5 месяцев назад
Every time i read Genesis 1: 2 i also think about Jeremiah 4: 23 I looked on the earth, and behold, it was without form and void; and to the heavens, and they had no light. Would have loved to hear Mikes thoughts on this.
@savageryreally7058
@savageryreally7058 5 месяцев назад
This totally backs up the tradition view that the heavens and the earth were created first. Water and darkness are not eternal but created. Since בְּרֵאשִׁ֖ית (bə·rê·šîṯ) means utmost first, we shouldn't drop the most important word(beginning) just to opt out for an idea that there are multiple creation(s) or anything that predates Genesis 1:1 when the bible is absolutely clear that there is only 1 world(Cosmos). In Jeremiah 4:23, the earth and the heavens were already there for him to see the formlessness and the lightless state. Since Mike is no longer with us anymore, I hope there are more on this topic you suggested in the archive. Good luck and God bless you
@TomFranklinX
@TomFranklinX 5 месяцев назад
@@savageryreally7058 Water and darkness can be interpreted as the primordial chaos that is the initial state of existence itself, before God's divine will brought the cosmos into order.
@mr.emaaejae6058
@mr.emaaejae6058 5 месяцев назад
Our sun was made before this planet and the suns/stars and other planets out in the universe.
@mr.emaaejae6058
@mr.emaaejae6058 5 месяцев назад
​@@savageryreally7058 Before God created the heavens, plural, (i.e., the universe and the atmosphere of this planet), the only realm that existed from eternity past was heaven where God, the Word, and the Holy Spirit existed because they had to be somewhere before he made this physical universe.
@kurtwinslow2670
@kurtwinslow2670 5 месяцев назад
@@mr.emaaejae6058 I'm not saying you're wrong. But are you sure God a dimensionless being had to be somewhere before creation? Could it be possible that all that existed before creation, was the mind of God? Meaning he's the only thing in reality that's eternal by nature. Space, even space not of our space\time didn't exist eternally. Meaning heaven and our universe were both created. Just a thought, I've thought about this scenario but on this side of eternity, it's still just a thought, for I don't have a clue.
@_Belisarios_
@_Belisarios_ 4 месяца назад
This verse is exactly what inspired the father of the big bang theory Lemaître to use a model where you have only radiation at the beginning. „Let there be light“. Taking genesis literally he furthered science.
@franklyn427
@franklyn427 4 месяца назад
But the big bang theory does not align with Biblical creation even using, "When God began creating the heavens and earth." The big bang theory is not true.
@Qriusme
@Qriusme 4 месяца назад
No there was water…
@sholland42
@sholland42 4 месяца назад
Science is largely a religion, the Big Bang was rebranding the beginning of Genesis, yes, but the entire heliocentric theory is completely against every word in the Bible, and is of the enemy. I place my trust in God, not Man.
@stephenmcguire7342
@stephenmcguire7342 4 месяца назад
How easily some souls are deceived by "scientific" analysis of the Word of God.
@ChristopherCudworth
@ChristopherCudworth 4 месяца назад
That’s not literalism. 😊
@reddblackjack
@reddblackjack 4 месяца назад
I was told once by a Jewish friend that it was the aspect of God Christianity refers to as the son that was the one who created the universe. That has always made sense to me because it kind of explains why the universe is so full of wonder. I also tried my entire life to reconcile Devine creation with big bang theory and ideas like dark matter and energy and the structure of the universe and all that jazz! I was able to do this after watching an episode of Nova on PBS about origami. So, check this out. The universe is an artwork created on fourth dementional God paper for lack of a better term. The big bang was a folding of this that became the universe we see. We will never be able to capture dark matter because this is what the god paper is made of. It's like if you lived on a molecule of paint trying to capture a piece of the canvas your universe was painted on. Science is holy. God created us in his image in mental capacity and figuring out how the stuff he created is what he wants us to do. I also think God gives us clues to help us. In one part of the Bible it clearly states that to Him a day is as a thousand years and a thousand years is as a day. Well science says the universe is 13.4 billion years old and the Bible says He made it in seven days. I don't see this as contradictory at all. He's timeless. A billion years to him could be a day. I think there's relevance to this translation thing too. Especially when you consider the fact that the Hebrew alphabet is a later invention with roots in Egyptian hieroglyphs. Another show I watched told me about this as well. The hieroglyph for house is associated with the sound of the first Hebrew letter in that alphabets word for house for instance. The Israelites basically got the idea for a written language from Egypt. It's all pretty mind-blowing if you really get into it. God created the universe and he WANTS us to figure out HOW this was done. Dark energy is what science is confused about. That's what they call the force that's making the universe continue to expand. But it's actually the hand of God. His "muscles" are the source of this force. It's all kinda clear to me but I can't possibly understand all of it myself as I don't have a degree in physics or theology but rather food management. There was a recipe that only God currently understands. But science is figuring out lots of the little culinary techniques He used and that's awesome!
@marionchase-kleeves8311
@marionchase-kleeves8311 4 месяца назад
Science is man's search for answers about our universe. Mathematics are the answer. Man's opinions and theories cannot be distilled down to math unless it is absolute. We've just scratched the surface.
@Will-wk3
@Will-wk3 4 месяца назад
Tasty, though muscles may necessitate a frame, the L rd is Spirit and three persons. All one, in creation The Spirit of God or Holy Spirit spread or floated across the waters, and G-d spoke let there be light. In the Gospels we read Jesus spoke only what the Father said in John 16, not from Himself, John saw this in Genesis. Black matter, could be an exertion of the L rd edging scientists to Him. Hopefully many do not repress Him.
@Will-wk3
@Will-wk3 4 месяца назад
As for an aspect he was possibly referring to the word of God being an aspect. That's how rabbis translated the word of G d in their Aramaic translations, which comes from the text, the Hebrew has three distinct persons in G d interacting with the World. Jesus in Exodus 3 is the Angel speaking out of the bush and had revealed Himself as the Angel, and was the rock, in the fire and wind leading Israel out of Egypt (Jude and Stephen in Acts). In execution in the Aramaic Targum the Word is unique and understood as the Angel. I myself would need to read if Rabbis think three person Godhead got absorbed into aspects to maintain the semi-scriptural circumspection of God being Uniplural.
@dominicgraham5310
@dominicgraham5310 3 месяца назад
I recommend 'Navigating Genesis: A scientist's Journey Through Genesis' by Hugh Ross. Really fascinating and full of insights into these verses.
@bibleprophecy4400
@bibleprophecy4400 5 месяцев назад
I miss him so much. I’ve learned a LOT from him, just wish I’d found his teachings about 13 years ago.
@gardenjoy5223
@gardenjoy5223 5 месяцев назад
Those are 13 lost and wasted years. He's a false teacher.
@davidbrand1648
@davidbrand1648 5 месяцев назад
​@@gardenjoy5223 take yourself and your idiots guide to the bible and get the hell out of here. This is for Gods children not for you.
@taxineil1
@taxineil1 5 месяцев назад
I was talking to a local Rabbi about the scriptures and he told me that what we know as the first verse of the bible is actually the title of the book we know as Genesis and that the first verse is actually'And the earth was without form..etc' and that a whole history about fallen angels has been written about what came before the 'And'
@johnjohn-hj3bl
@johnjohn-hj3bl 4 месяца назад
thats the jewish myths or copeland style, mystery babylon stuff
@davidmillward3108
@davidmillward3108 4 месяца назад
Genesis 1 & 2 are separate events.
@DougRoles-t2u
@DougRoles-t2u 4 месяца назад
fascinating,, where can I find that history?
@greglogan7706
@greglogan7706 4 месяца назад
@@DougRoles-t2u Its a late inter-testamental piece of Jewish apocalyptic literature - standard fantasy - called the Book of Enoch
@objectiveobserver2792
@objectiveobserver2792 3 месяца назад
@@DougRoles-t2u G.H. Pember - Earth's Earliest Ages
@richcam1230
@richcam1230 5 месяцев назад
Dr. Heiser was a gifted and brilliant speaker. He has my respect. I disagree with changing the meaning of Genesis 1:1 with the word when. I had to comment on this post so that I could share my understanding of creation according to Genesis. In the beginning God created a single diamentional parallel universe consisting of an uninhabited shapless earth immersed in water that was a dividing point for other waters above the earth. This area is beyond measure. The universe we know is contained in a measurable firmament where earth is still without form. (or defined shape)
@thomasmaughan4798
@thomasmaughan4798 5 месяцев назад
"I disagree with changing the meaning of Genesis 1:1 with the word when" As do most Christians here, clinging to human tradition rather than the written text. The verse was *already changed* and he is trying to change it back.
@robinreeve
@robinreeve 5 месяцев назад
It is not about the written text, but about the vocalisation decided by the Massoretes in the Middle Ages, that hasn't the authority of divine inspiration and can be contested in many places. The Septuagint, which dates back two centuries BC, translates the Hebrew to Greek with the idea of a definite article - that John 1.1 reproduces with a clear reference to Gn 1.1. We have two ancient traditions here and the question is complex.
@stephenmcguire7342
@stephenmcguire7342 4 месяца назад
Why does a liar who is deceiving you by trying to change the Traditional (capitalized on purpose) meaning of Scripture have your respect? Because he's soft spoken? Then you would have hated Sts. James and John.
@thomasmaughan4798
@thomasmaughan4798 4 месяца назад
​@@stephenmcguire7342 "Why does a liar who is deceiving you by trying to change the Traditional meaning of Scripture have your respect?" I do not understand your question. But I will examine each part. 1. Liars: Apparently, all people lie. Every last one except maybe Jesus and even there it is more of a prevarication. So, I will respect someone (or not) independently of their status as "liar". 2. Traditional meaning of Scripture: There is *no such thing* as traditional meaning of scripture. From the very moment scripture was written, people have been interpreting the meaning in various ways. That I interpret it differently than you is expected; what would be abnormal and surprising is we see a verse exactly the same way. 3. Hating people. As near as I can tell, I do not experience this emotion. It seems confined more to "blue people". Certainly it seems that evangelical Christians hate Mormons; a thing they ought not but there it is. 4. Respect. The Second Great Commandment is to love your neighbor. The parable of the Good Samaritan exists to help undderstand who is, or might be, your neighbor. I don't know that "love" is equivalent to "respect" but they are similar. I respect even my enemies IF they have at least some qualities or virtue such as honor.
@ljjdcm
@ljjdcm 5 месяцев назад
All those linguistic, mumbo-jumbo aside, the text clearly states that God created the heavens and earth in the beginning, which means before there was time space, or matter, which means out of nothing and science, as it’s currently understood, agrees that the universe is not eternal- it had a beginning.
@bradleymasson1777
@bradleymasson1777 3 месяца назад
It's important to bring out the meaning of the words: without form and void. In Hebrew, it gives the impression of the Earth falling into a state of waste and decay; probably from Satan's rebellion. I think this helps bring clearer meaning to the first three verses.
@michaelau5159
@michaelau5159 5 месяцев назад
I don't have PhD in Hebrew but I am a native English speaker and teacher. I love Dr Heiser's work but sometimes, like everyone, things get simplified to make a point but the simplification isn't always accurate "When Jim studied in his room for his Chemistry exam" can be a complete thought and stand alone as a clause, let me explain how. Someone asks a question e.g. When did the Earthquake happen? (you can insert nearly anything where Earthquake is) and someone can reply "When Jim studied in his room for his Chemistry exam". Punctuation matters in languages, especially English. In English the word "when" doesn't make something a question it is a time connective that can be used in multiple ways.
@shellysangrey
@shellysangrey 5 месяцев назад
"When Jim studied in his room for his chemistry exam" has no subject, so it is a sentence fragment. Since it is not a complete sentence, it can't be an independent clause.
@lukejones5272
@lukejones5272 5 месяцев назад
It still is not a complete thought. The independent clause is in the question, and is implied in the answer. The most proper way to write what you have above is: "When did the earthquake happen?" "The earthquake happened (implied) when Jim studied in his room..." Without the implied phrase, the answer is understandable but not a complete thought. This is similar to implied subjects and implied verbs, as he mentioned in the same part of the video. "Go!" (implied subject is the listener)
@michaelau5159
@michaelau5159 5 месяцев назад
@@shellysangrey it is a comlete sentence as it can be an answer to someone elses question.
@michaelau5159
@michaelau5159 5 месяцев назад
@@lukejones5272 writing and talking are 2 different things. In the history of humanity I seriously doubt anyone talked in a fashion we could call the "proper way to write". The crux of your debate stands on the "proper way to write" and throughout most of history most people didn't communicate through writing. The fact is the answer to the question I posed is a complete thought in vernacular conversation. Furthermore if you want to bring up the "most proper way to write" your sentence "It still is not a complete thought" is not a proper written sentence yet you and I both know exactly what you meant.
@lukejones5272
@lukejones5272 5 месяцев назад
@@michaelau5159 Sorry friend, I wasn't trying to debate! In my opinion, you're both right. Yes, in vernacular, spoken conversation, the answer stands alone as completely understandable. But it's understandable because of the information in the question, which is implied in the answer, and therefore it is still a dependent clause. *IF* you were writing in the most proper grammar, you would include the question's clause in your answer. I was just trying to bridge the gap and show that the point you're making works, but doesn't change anything that was said in the video. Dr. Heiser's point stands because he *IS* talking about precisely written grammar.
@AnthonyMarcus0115
@AnthonyMarcus0115 5 месяцев назад
So is the NRSVue: ”When God began to create the heavens and the earth, the earth was complete chaos, and darkness covered the face of the deep, while a wind from God swept over the face of the waters. Then God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light.“ ‭‭Genesis‬ ‭1‬:‭1‬-‭3‬ ‭NRSVUE‬‬ ”In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.“ ‭‭Genesis‬ ‭1‬:‭1‬-‭3‬ ‭KJV‬‬
@KingSardius
@KingSardius 5 месяцев назад
I love the NRSVUE translation for these verses because it reads more natural.
@vegetablevampire3901
@vegetablevampire3901 5 месяцев назад
KJV !!
@rodrogers6895
@rodrogers6895 5 месяцев назад
@@vegetablevampire3901 That’s right, no need to study Hebrew; God dictated directly to the KJV writers. You tell’em 😂
@jonathanloadholt344
@jonathanloadholt344 5 месяцев назад
"...and there was light...". But He hadn't created a source for that light(sun,moon,stars) yet- which was on the 3rd(?) day. Am I confused or is there something I'm missing? PLEASE HELP ME.
@bogusphone8000
@bogusphone8000 5 месяцев назад
​@@jonathanloadholt344 No confusion. Almighty God made light, free and independent. The entire universe was illuminated. Shortly there after, He constrained that light to create light and dark. Why? So that the rotating sphere could traverse through both light and dark and time could begin for the created universe.
@galenhaugh3158
@galenhaugh3158 4 месяца назад
There's more to the Creation than Genesis 1:1-3. For example, the term "day" is used three different, conflicting ways.
@leightonscycles9915
@leightonscycles9915 3 месяца назад
" When Jim studied for his chemistry exam. " could be the answer to a question and therefore a complete thought.
@CeciliaMorris
@CeciliaMorris 5 месяцев назад
Now I'm confused...what was Christ actually saying if the vowels didn't come until the middle ages by the translation, "not one jot or tittle shall be removed"?
@abj136
@abj136 5 месяцев назад
Good question. I get maybe there was a date when vowels wee introduced, but it can’t have been as late as medieval times.
@scorpionformula
@scorpionformula 5 месяцев назад
In earlier translations I.e. William Tyndale, it is pretty much very similar to the King James authorised, yet Tyndale had his published in the 1520s. You can still read them by finding digital copies online. Anyways the English letters were slightly different and J didnt exist then, but still has the phrase 'jot and tittle,' but all the letter 'j's' are 'it's.'
@Dee-nonamnamrson8718
@Dee-nonamnamrson8718 5 месяцев назад
​@@abj136The way I understand it, there were always vowels, they just weren't always written.
@richardhayward5814
@richardhayward5814 5 месяцев назад
The 'jots' and 'tittles' in Hebrew writing are not the vowel marks; they are components of the consonants themselves. The jots (better pronounced as yots for English speakers) were consonants
@richardhole8429
@richardhole8429 5 месяцев назад
Ancient Hebrew did not record the vowel sounds, but the vowel sounds were spoken nonetheless. Inserting the vowel marks does not alter the text. The early New Testament copies did not put spaces between the words, should we do that in our English translations?
@crosion5
@crosion5 5 месяцев назад
That's always how I read it anyway. Verse one is like the intro. "Hey, we are going to talk about how God created the heavens and the Earth. Let's get started..."
@Heisrisin3
@Heisrisin3 5 месяцев назад
One of these days some simple soul will pick up the Book of God, read it, and believe it. Then the rest of us will be embarrassed. We have adopted the convenient theory that the Bible is a Book to be explained, whereas first and foremost it is a Book to be believed (and after that to be obeyed). Leonard Ravenhill,
@jonathanloadholt344
@jonathanloadholt344 5 месяцев назад
How can you apply it if you don't understand it?
@revbud3123
@revbud3123 5 месяцев назад
Right on. The Bible must be read like the book it is to be understood. Dividing the Bible into chapters and verses was a horrible thing.
@revbud3123
@revbud3123 5 месяцев назад
@@jonathanloadholt344 The Bible was not written in chapters and verses and needs to be read like the book it is to understood properly.
@jonathanloadholt344
@jonathanloadholt344 5 месяцев назад
@@revbud3123 No sh*t, Sherlock!
@rogerlimoseth4790
@rogerlimoseth4790 2 месяца назад
I've learned over the years that there are layers upon layers when it comes to understanding scripture. How many times have we read a verse for the hundredth time only to have it open up to give us a whole new understanding?
@repentnow1720
@repentnow1720 5 месяцев назад
Time Mark 5:23 - That is a frightening position / perspective: "I have a PhD - I can do whatever I want."
@ameribeaner
@ameribeaner 5 месяцев назад
Where's the rest of this lecture? This video is incomplete
@godswarrior45
@godswarrior45 5 месяцев назад
ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-diEzuGvDjU0.htmlfeature=shared
@morefiction3264
@morefiction3264 5 месяцев назад
Almost like a dependent clause.
@ameribeaner
@ameribeaner 5 месяцев назад
@@morefiction3264 that's funny! But I still want to hear the rest of what he said.
@morefiction3264
@morefiction3264 5 месяцев назад
@@ameribeaner Thank you, I do to.
@kajikanna
@kajikanna 5 месяцев назад
Leaving a comment here as well. Hopefully we’ll get an answer
@timconstable7348
@timconstable7348 5 месяцев назад
Robert Alter came to this conclusion about 30 years ago, and went on to translate the whole of Genesis with the same alacrity.
@DavidDHorstman
@DavidDHorstman 5 месяцев назад
Do you have a link?
@scorpionformula
@scorpionformula 5 месяцев назад
Thank you for this info, will go and check this out! ❤
@timconstable7348
@timconstable7348 5 месяцев назад
@@DavidDHorstman NO I have his book!
@raeveth
@raeveth 5 месяцев назад
If you obey Hebrew you can also translate it as “in first position or in chief position God created the heavens and the”
@sunnybrowne7293
@sunnybrowne7293 5 месяцев назад
But there is no Lamed before the word Elohim. How could that be possible?
@raeveth
@raeveth 5 месяцев назад
@@sunnybrowne7293 why would you need the lamed? the DDO tells us what Elohim did
@suzannemartin6817
@suzannemartin6817 5 месяцев назад
So then, hmmm, so when did He create the formless and void thing. I’m not arguing against what he said but it leaves me with questions. It sounds like creation (of time, space and matter- which are in continuum and each one must exist for the others to exist) had started BEFORE Genesis 1:1. Right?
@wesleypratt7735
@wesleypratt7735 3 месяца назад
I have three questions about this. The word Day in Hebrew in Genesis chapter 1 is the same word for day used in Genesis chapter 20 when discussing 6 days of work and on the 7th day is the Sabbath, clearly referring to 24-Hour time period. The second question is what is the most ancient reliable manuscript we have? We can go back more than 2000 years to look as I have. And the third question is when Jesus points out they were created male and female in the beginning he never talks about a longer creation process. In fact the entire Bible, Old Testament and New Testament assumes 6 24 hour time periods when using the original Hebrew in the Old Testament end of the original Greek in the New Testament. The greater issue here I think is that people do not believe God could do it in 6 days. Very sorry to hear that this gentleman passed away.
@tzephon
@tzephon 5 месяцев назад
I'm not sure what to take from that presentation. That clip doesn't seem to really change things very much, if at all. So what's the rub?
@lproof8472
@lproof8472 5 месяцев назад
He’s stating that verses 1 and 2 lead to verse 3-which then becomes the central point of the opening of Genesis rather than verse 1, which is the traditional emphasis. It doesn’t change much in terms of your beliefs about creation, but it’s an alternative approach to the Bible altogether.
@harrycraft3359
@harrycraft3359 5 месяцев назад
L said
@harrycraft3359
@harrycraft3359 5 месяцев назад
Well said
@_relle_ville_
@_relle_ville_ 5 месяцев назад
Idk if this is what Heiser is hinting towards in this cut off vid, but I've come across a school of thought that in 2, the prep work of "now the earth was without form and void and darkness was over the face of the deep" was already laid out for God. Then the question arises "why was the earth (already there?) formless and void?" Another question arises "Since when does God create things without form (not to mention the darkness)?" Just a school of thought and this video reminded me of that
@Klffsj
@Klffsj 5 месяцев назад
@@_relle_ville_ To answer the original question, Dr. Heiser's take is that God didn't create the heavens and the Earth and then speak light; rather God spoke light and then Creation formed. This is important to say that God doesn't simply create; He speaks His will and it happens because His authority is so great. So, we know that His word is always faithful. It also fits nicely with John, Chapter 1: God spoke light, and Creation formed. Well, John calls Jesus the Word of God, and we already know that Jesus is the light of the world. In order for John to be correct that all things were made in Christ and through Christ, then nothing could've been made before Christ, before God spoke the Word of Light. To clarify verse 2: My understanding is that there is no Hebrew word for the entire universe or [all of] Creation, so they instead say "the heavens and the earth", since that entails the Earth (and everything in it) and everything outside of it (the heavens). As for darkness, darkness doesn't actually exist; it's just the absence of light. So, verse 2 is basically saying that the universe was empty (void), the Earth had not yet been formed (God doesn't even separate the heaven from the Earth until verse 6), and light had not been spoken yet.
@HenryGibbs-u2r
@HenryGibbs-u2r 4 месяца назад
One thing for sure. We all will stand before Judgement Day. Amen!
@waynesworldofsci-tech
@waynesworldofsci-tech 4 месяца назад
Can’t you keep your perversions private? There might be children here.
@aaronwilcox6417
@aaronwilcox6417 4 месяца назад
Not worried about. Any truly in Christ looks forward to passing from this life to the next.
@waynesworldofsci-tech
@waynesworldofsci-tech 4 месяца назад
@@aaronwilcox6417 Want help?
@richiejourney1840
@richiejourney1840 3 месяца назад
And what a “day” that will be… Nor am I worried about believing OLD Earth or Young Earth or somewhere between…it’s not important to grace and salvation and all those other sins I have to account for…I would rather be a “ditch digger” in Heaven than a “king” in Hell…
@MichaelFineMusic
@MichaelFineMusic 5 месяцев назад
A beautiful video. When I studied Biblical Hebrew, I was taught that 'bara' was a verb in the perfect tense indicating a completed action, outside of time (so not a modern past tense.) In the beginning God finished creating ...
@artstrology
@artstrology 3 месяца назад
Genesis 1 is the trecena of Ix simultaneous with the decan of Ax. It is the only chapter that has 3 lines before the trecena begins. 1 is Batz, 2 is E (the water), and 3 is Aj. Then begins the trecena with 1 Ix. The entire book relies on the standard order of the 36 decans and the 20 days,.by chapter and within the chapters. Langton must have known the decans and days.
@jessicawinter9531
@jessicawinter9531 5 месяцев назад
Shalom Friends! Is there any way to watch this entire lecture????
@davidbrand1648
@davidbrand1648 5 месяцев назад
Yes type in his name and genesis you will see it
@curtisscott9251
@curtisscott9251 5 месяцев назад
I really appreciate this distinction in the translation of Genesis 1: 1. Several years ago I was contemplating whether or not the universe has positive curvature. Although this question is still open, it seems logical that it most likely does have positive curvature even though it almost appears to be flat (in the same way that the Earth is a sphere but appears to be flat to anybody on one particular location unless very precise measurements are made that show a horizon). And it occurred to me that if it does have positive curvature that must mean that it's oscillating. This means that when the universe enters maximum entropy and dies (something called the heat death); - all of the matter will eventually coalesce back to the origin due to the positive curvature. All of the matter will approach the temperature of absolute zero. At that time the individual atoms will lose their distinctive properties and become known as an Einstein Bose condensate. Or in other words, "formless and void". And this matter will coalesce into one location that will form a gigantic singularity (commonly called a black hole). This black hole will reel all of time and space back into it very rapidly - as a matter of fact - faster than the speed of light. When this singularity (which is by definition a great darkness) has swallowed everything, the entire system should restart itself as would be the nature of an oscillating universe. Or as stated in the book of Revelation; - God will say "Behold I am making all things new." There are other Scriptural principles that also point toward an oscillating universe. For example the Scripture teaches that God's word will not return to him void, but will complete what it was set out to do." And since the Scripture records that the universe was created by the word of God it is logical to assume that this principle of returning - applies to the universe itself - meaning that it will return to the source. Thanks for taking the time to produce this video.
@questor5189
@questor5189 5 месяцев назад
An excellent observation. If I may theorize, a pulsation of light from the Cosmos on day one of Creation may account for the dividing of light from darkness and day from night before the Sun has taken it's preordained position in our Solar System and ignited on day four. Nevertheless, feel free to disagree.
@questor5189
@questor5189 5 месяцев назад
@@ryanqvincent144 Gravity must also be factored in, to support a flat earth theory. All rivers flow downward because the head is at a higher level than the mouth at sea level. Your analysis of the survey of canals is interesting, and I assume you believe the Earth is a sphere. In my best estimation, based upon the sciences, it is illogical to believe that the Earth is anything but a sphere, and Biblical exegesis is a matter of interpretation.
@ryanqvincent144
@ryanqvincent144 5 месяцев назад
@@questor5189 Your comment about 'gravity' is interesting but flawed. Imagine that there is no 'pulling' force towards the earth but there is a 'pushing' force towards the earth due to an 'electric flow' that affects everything depending on what it is made of. It it always at 90 degrees to the sky and the surface of the water. There is a constant electric field on the earth of 100V / m. It is that which provides the equivalent of what you believe is 'gravity' here on earth. Clue: there is no 'gravity' that effects anything here. It is always 'electostatic' effects that are well understood and well documented. Just not explained to us. p.s. Large areas of undisturbed water are always 'flat'. There is no directly measureable 'curve of the earth' over water. There never has been. It was always a falsehood. 71% of the earth is water with no measureable curve. The rest of the globe must be elsewhere. Or it doesn't exist. ;-/
@questor5189
@questor5189 5 месяцев назад
@@ryanqvincent144 I see you are writing from a Flat Earth perspective. While gravity remains difficult to explain by modern scientists, your theory on a pushing force, when applied to Earth, must also be applied to other planetary bodies, with or without liquid or fluid elements. Atmospheres, gases, even rocks remain tied to the surface or hover above the surface, such as the crystaline objects in Saturn's rings. Obviously a balance is taking place between inertia and impetus, and centrifugal force has been demonstrated to exist. However, Newton's Third Law may provide support for your hypothesis.
@ryanqvincent144
@ryanqvincent144 5 месяцев назад
@@questor5189 No... It only applies to the earth. :) Remember, the physical earth is stationary. There are no direct measurements of any kind showing it is moving. Clue: All speed is relative... has never been shown to be true. :) I suggest you start with something easy... Show any direct measurement that large areas of undisturbed water actually curves. Clue: We see too far. :) How about frozen lakes? Show any direct measurement that confirms your belief and can be verified. there is nothing. ;-/
@victoriakederian9359
@victoriakederian9359 Месяц назад
So in Hebrew class at temple the teacher explained that a more accurate translation was: In beginning as opposed to In the beginning It is so profound a teaching here. As if it is a course correction for our journey to understand all the following scriptures. Yes
@danielvelasco2948
@danielvelasco2948 5 месяцев назад
The translators did a great job. The error is on the reader. Verse 1 gives us the result, then Verse 2 back flashes to when it didn’t happen yet to explain furthermore details (“now the earth was WITHOUT form and void”) so clearly V2 is before V1, and V3 explains how it was done. Which also takes place before V1 & after 2. This is common throughout the Bible.
@GeneticFreak
@GeneticFreak 2 месяца назад
I have always read Genesis the way he described. My church always read it that way, that verse 1 and 2 was just the setting where everthing is void, and creation of the universe starts at verse 3 (big bang). I didn't know anyone who thinks verse 1 is part of the steps. That's just weird and doesn't make sense.
@jimford1256
@jimford1256 4 месяца назад
What Mike is saying without saying it, is simply, That those who wrote the book of Genesis, told a different story of the original oral text. They changed words, invented words and miss translated main words to develop a continual theological story of monotheism, which never existed in Hebrew and Judaism until it's first introduction by Kings Hezekiah and Josiah in the 6th-7th century BCE.. Scholars supported a Redaction of Scripture in this time period once again to create monotheism. This was done to gain power and control of the people. However, there is new research that is being suggested that the Old Testament as we know it, was a work done by those who translated the Old Testament into Greek. First they wrote the Old Testament then made the translation into Greek at the same time around 273-270 BCE. in the Alexandra Library, this is called the Septuagint. This hypothesis is from the research in the writings of a Babylonian High Priest named Berossus. However, what I am saying is this writing of the Old Testament was a fabrication of those scribes to air brush over the oral tradition .to develop the theology of monotheism as wanted by those two Kings. I suggest a research into the both of those kings.
@FrankGrauStudio
@FrankGrauStudio 5 месяцев назад
This made me rethink how I understood the first three verses in the traditional translation, because I always took verse one to be a generalized summation of the entire creation while taking verse three as the first creative act with regards the universe (what some may view as a big bang), and then seeing verse two as focusing on the earth. But if the “let there be light” is the first creative act, why does it follow verse two? The thing is, Michael’s explanation didn’t clarify things at all, because he states that in the “When God…” translation, the first two verses are preconditions for verse three, which he says the latter is the first creative act. But if verse three is the first creative act, how can any preconditions exist? Is He suggesting that God did not create all things? But that contradicts John 1 where John clearly states that “all” things were made by Christ, so there could not be any uncreated things that eternally existed prior to God creating. So while I’ll defer to Michel’s expertise in Hebrew grammar, he’s apparently not as skilled as a logician (that's not meant as an insult, but only noting that he sometimes makes logically flawed arguments).
@pointofrevelation
@pointofrevelation 5 месяцев назад
My thoughts precisely. Thank you. Perhaps someone from his team can enlighten us?
@logic8673
@logic8673 5 месяцев назад
i think most people would have thought as you did. so the video is incomplete. I see a gap between verse 1 and 2, regardless, ie. while verse 1 and 3 are continuos thought, the conditions are in verse 2. It has already happened. One thought was God destroyed the earth and is actually recreating. This is one of the old views. It is also related to the fall of Satan. However the scriptural support, I cannot get round it. Check it up with Google, you will find it.
@FrankGrauStudio
@FrankGrauStudio 5 месяцев назад
@bettyblowtorthing3950 Creation ex materia is more of a Mormon view, since their theology requires an uncreated, infinite-past universe. Since traditional biblical theology, current cosmology, and logic/philosophy via the Kalam all point to a finite universe, an ex materia view doesn’t at all appear credible or plausible. Moreover, I keep hearing people advocating for interpretations built within the framework of ancient near-east beliefs, but since when is God bound by the beliefs or understanding of pagan nations? And I'm not suggesting the "When God..." interpretation is incorrect or an illegitimate translation, but only noting that there's still some interpretation required beyond getting the grammar correct. One must understand the verse withing the context of the entirety of scripture, and any interpretation must not violate laws of logic, nor contradict history, etc.
@FrankGrauStudio
@FrankGrauStudio 5 месяцев назад
@bettyblowtorthing3950 I never suggested that historical context is irrelevant. There obviously may be times when historical context helps to enlighten a passage. But there’s a vast difference in communicating in a person’s known language (which has no impact on the substantive content of the message as we see that same message has been translated and passed down in many languages) and suggesting that God is beholden to the false cosmologies of ancient pagan thought. After all, one can acknowledge the existence of ancient views on cosmology, but there’s no reason to suppose God cannot communicate facts that have nothing to do with those false views. To simply repeat the mantra that Genesis was written during a time that ancient pagans held to some particular view isn’t an argument. If I wrote a book about marriage today, and then someone in the future suggested that I wrote the book in a culture that allowed same-sex marriage, would it be rational to conclude that therefore everything I wrote somehow condoned same-sex marriage? God forbid. Such a conclusion would be just as much a non sequitur as suggesting we need to view Genesis through the lens of ancient pagan beliefs.
@FrankGrauStudio
@FrankGrauStudio 5 месяцев назад
@bettyblowtorthing3950 To say that the “the human authors describe an ancient near east cosmology in the text” is to simply reaffirm a particular view. But what justifies such a view? After all, it is God who inspires scripture, and He isn’t going to inspire false writing based on erroneous ancient cosmologies. To your point about God revealing big bang cosmology or quantum mechanics: That’s irrelevant to my point, as I wasn’t suggesting God should reveal anything about such technical minutiae. If God says He created thus and so on day one, and thus and so on day two, and so forth, it isn’t important to go into further details. I’m simply suggesting God means what He says and says what He means. So to go back to my original post, when Michael offers an alternate interpretation of the grammar of verse one (of Genesis 1) and concludes that it renders verse three as the first creative act, he must mean that it’s the first creative act AFTER God already created the formless earth and the waters that covered it, because certainly the formless earth and water didn’t create itself and it wasn’t eternal, since, as I already noted, the gospel of John is clear that Christ created all things, modern cosmology affirms the universe had a beginning, and the Kalam demonstrates the logical necessity of a first cause of the universe and the impossibility of an infinite regress of tensed events, such that there can be no eternal earth and water (even one that is without form and void).
@gregb6469
@gregb6469 5 месяцев назад
If God did not create ex nihilo, then where did the material He used to form the Earth come from? What deity created it?
@JoshuaCEdwardsMusic
@JoshuaCEdwardsMusic 3 месяца назад
You’re misunderstanding the argument, it’s not that God didn’t materially create the universe, it’s that Gen 1:1-3 isn’t describing the material creation of the universe
@gregb6469
@gregb6469 3 месяца назад
@@JoshuaCEdwardsMusic -- Then where is the creation of the material universe described?
@JoshuaCEdwardsMusic
@JoshuaCEdwardsMusic 3 месяца назад
@@gregb6469 plenty of places but Job 38 would be a great example
@gregb6469
@gregb6469 3 месяца назад
@@JoshuaCEdwardsMusic -- And what makes you think that Genesis 1 and Job 38 are not describing the same thing?
@JoshuaCEdwardsMusic
@JoshuaCEdwardsMusic 3 месяца назад
@@gregb6469 there’s nothing explicit in the language to suggest that it is, Heiser explains that pretty well in this video. John Walton’s work on functional ontology and analysis of the word bara in the bible is also very compelling. I just think if people are going to take the Bible seriously, we need to work hard to understand what it’s saying and what it’s not saying.
@rodschmidt8952
@rodschmidt8952 5 месяцев назад
I've also seen it translated as: "In A beginning..." meaning, the beginning of the story
@gardenjoy5223
@gardenjoy5223 5 месяцев назад
Since there's a definite article there, that seems just wrong.
@mhenzler104
@mhenzler104 3 дня назад
I appreciate the tribute to Mike, but I didn't get his point here. I think he was saying that creation activity began with light, verse 3. Great, theologically and in every way, that starting point makes sense. But how do you explain the presence and purpose of verse 2? It seems like it should be the prelude to verse 6, an activity of the second day; Earth appears but then needs to be formed and filled to reverse the tohu vabohu. I get that verse two can be an incomplete phrase, but I would loved to hear Heiser (or any scholar) explains the presence of the earth description put as the second verse, and not after "and there was evening/morning day one?"
@avishevin1976
@avishevin1976 5 месяцев назад
Rashi, writing in the 11th century, already pointed this out. It's not new.
@cjf5412
@cjf5412 5 месяцев назад
I’ve always wondered why I read sentences somewhat backwards. Or analyze sentences too much. But when I read the Bible it makes sense. Praise the Lord.
@tsuhuothokajiri8657
@tsuhuothokajiri8657 12 дней назад
Then it makes complete different in our understanding of Genesis. How? one may ask. My answer is: If the verse is read " In the beginning" , it means all the creations are destined to end someday because where there is beginning there is always end. There is no beginning without end. Which means the earth was created to have ending( The world is destined to end whether Adam and Eve sin or not). On the other hand if the translation is "when" instead of "In the beginning" as what you said is a legitimate translation, the earth was not yet destined until the fall the fall of man or sometimes later. So to say, the earth was not created to have beginning and the end but the sin does later after the fall. Through this verse we can somehow understand the will and purpose for His creation. This changes can bring whole lot of difference in theology. Please reply this comment 🙏
@nunuallen4327
@nunuallen4327 2 месяца назад
He has so many books out, they are so good and easy to understand.
@truethought369
@truethought369 3 месяца назад
Thank you for your explanation, I know this is correct because God is Consciousness. When enough power of thought is concentrated, it becomes light. I believe all matter is condensed light. Looking at creation in this way, makes us realise that darkness is there due to not being created into anything yet? Leaving humanity room to follow our father in this work. 🇬🇧
@philWynk
@philWynk 5 месяцев назад
We actually could have picked this up without understanding Hebrew grammar like Dr. Heiser did. Genesis 2:1 says "And so the heavens and the earth were completed, and all their heavenly lights." This indicates that what preceded was what the author intended to be taken as "creat[ing] the heavens and the earth." It becomes obvious that Genesis 1:1, no matter how it's voiced grammatically, is not a separate act of creation but rather an introductory description announcing what we're about to read. Genesis 1:3-31 is "God creat[ing] the heavens and the earth." (Note that all of Genesis 1-11 is broken into segments, each beginning with an introductory description: "These are the generations of Noah," "These are the generations of the heaven and earth," and forth. The introductory announcement of the first segment is Genesis 1:1.) This means that the starting condition of the creation account is announced in Genesis 1:2, just like Dr. Heiser suggested: "Now the earth was formless and void..." The earth already existed at that point; it was just useless in its then-current state. We know that "formless and void" does not mean what we moderns would think if we heard "non-existent." The concept of non-existence didn't appear in the ancient world. To the ancients, the Arabian desert was "non-existent," in the sense that it could not be used for any sensible purpose. We can get a sense of what the Hebrews would have mean by "formless and void" (Heb., "tohu v'bohu") in the one other place in scripture where that phrase gets used. It's in Jeremiah 4:23, and in it the prophet describes what's going to happen to Judah's pleasant farmland when the people get taken away into captivity; it will become "tohu v' bohu," and "the heavens will have no light." (That refence to light has to be figurative; it's a desert. There was plenty of light during the daytime.) Check verse 26 of Jeremiah 4 for the plain description of what he meant: "I looked, and behold, the fruitful land was a wilderness, And all its cities were pulled down Before the LORD, before His fierce anger." So in fact, the Genesis 1 account does not describe a transition from non-existence to existence as we would imagine it; that's a 20th and 21st century anachronism. The Genesis 1 account describes a transition from fruitless chaos ("tohu v'bohu") to productive fruitfulness, full of life and purpose. And "Let there be light," the first creative act, actually declares the favor of God on the earth, not necessarily the appearance of visible light for the first time. Dr. Heiser's careful Hebrew grammar makes this clear for us; but it was there all along.
@izkmrf
@izkmrf 4 месяца назад
I once worked with a PhD expert in computer science. I overheard the specifications of the task given to him (by my boss as well) and thought "This should take about one month. He was always bragging about writing perfect computer programs. Well, 3 months he was still bragging about it. Anyway, my boss then quietly asked me if I could have a try at the task. Well, I had heard what is was all about for 3 months, so no need to get written specs. After one month, I had it running in full production and the PhD young man went to another section. So my opinion is that if you can't understand the first chapter of Genesis by a simple reading, go and play trains. Never believe a PhD. My deeper reading is this (I'm not a PhD): Day 1: Beginning: God created Time first. The history of the universe begins at the first hour, Sunday, at 6 pm on Saturday in our time. It was dark. God created Time, Space, Matter and Energy in the very sequence that it is logical to do and must be done physically. Day falls at the 12th hour, 6am our time, God speaks light/energy into being. V2. And the earth was without form and void. There it is for a child to understand. without form -no mountains, valleys, rivers and oceans. void - empty, no life, and totally covered by water, maybe 2 or more km deep. What would you expect? Like a potter making a vase - first he turns a lump of clay into a ball. And darkness covered the face of the deep. No light had been created yet so it was still dark. More mysterious is the end of verse 2: The spirit of God was brooding (not just moving) over the waters. The same word is used for a chicken sitting on her eggs. She’ll turn them 180° to keep them evenly warm. Is this to indicate that the Holy spirit was starting the earth’s rotation. It's no stretch of the imagination to believe it could take 3 days. Imagine the chaos if there was a sudden jerk from zero to 1000 MPH at the equator. V3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. 4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness. So after 12 hours of darkness, it was morning. Notice that the sun was not created yet so God Himself was the light. V5. And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day. Just a normal 24 hour day as we have now. The Day for Old Testament begins at 6pm Roman time. Night comes before day, just as we read.
@bekkp
@bekkp 5 месяцев назад
this is actually how it is translated in the Chinese bible… I’ve always understood it this way, that “Let there be light” was the first “act” of creation
@13kimosabi13
@13kimosabi13 5 месяцев назад
So the questions that pop => are => how and when and by whom did all the stuff that’s already there => get there, in the state they are in ?
@dominicgraham5310
@dominicgraham5310 3 месяца назад
As some others have mentioned: Dr Heiser says the writing of vowels on the Hebrew only happened around 800AD. So, there's no reason to assume the vowel he emphasises in the video is a preferred reading. And yet, from this clip he appears to be suggesting one vowel reading more than the other. Why take a medieval Jewish reading of the vowels as the preferred one? It seems unnecessarily biased to me, without due evidence or logic. He'd be better saying that both vowel readings are possible, yet the early Christians translated it in one way, for certain reasons. For anyone interested in the the Genesis creation account, I recommend 'Navigating Genesis: A scientist's Journey Through Genesis' by Hugh Ross. Really fascinating and full of insights into these verses.
@markhackney920
@markhackney920 4 месяца назад
Because Gensis 1:1 is the first verse in the Bible laying the basic premise of everything to come, it is a summary statement. It is matter of writing style. This style is repeated several times in the following chapters with a summary statement followed by details and illucidation. W"e must not "play around" with the text and add or take away anything, be it 800 years later or thouusands of years later.
@SavagePatriot-ri7px
@SavagePatriot-ri7px 5 месяцев назад
Strange that this guy is arguing for a changed translation based on accent marks, etc. The Bible says that not one jot or tittle (accent mark) will be changed until the second coming. And him using the fallacy of authority ( I have a PhD in Hebrew.) is a red flag. So he is saying that the Jews whocwalked and talked with Christ as native speakers of Hebrew didn't understand their own language? How heterodox of him.
@dvldog_
@dvldog_ 5 месяцев назад
First, he is making a joke when he said "I can do whatever I want.." which you would know if you watched the entire video and secondly what he said doesn't change the point of these verses which is GOD created the Heavens and the Earth. If he had gone off on some tangent trying to show that GOD really didn't create the Earth then I could understand your reaction, but that isn't remotely what he did here.
@tiermacgirl
@tiermacgirl 5 месяцев назад
Actually you are proving his point for him... those jots and tittles that we should not ignore are what makes the clearer translation possible. The good doctor, being a Hebrew nerd, was in front of an audience of Bible scholars, and the PhD joke was totally in keeping with that setting, you notice it barely landed though, because people were not so focused on being entertained as being educated.
@aljole683
@aljole683 5 месяцев назад
Are you serious? Because you do understand….the English you are using is LITERALLY changing the jots and tittles. You are using a bad translation, to try to rationalize NOT accepting the original. Heiser is trying to point that out to you. The words you read in your Bible are NOT the exact words spoken by God, or Christ, nor His prophets, nor the apostles. That’s the whole point of this video….modern translations aren’t exactly correct.
@artifacthunter1472
@artifacthunter1472 5 месяцев назад
The Bible was not written in English. God chose to reveal his word in Old Testament, Hebrew and New Testament Greek what is wrong with your brain.
@boneyfun
@boneyfun 5 месяцев назад
It was a very arrogant comment and poor reasoning to believe him.
@anglokelts6919
@anglokelts6919 3 месяца назад
PhD in Hebrew can't change the way God made Hebrew grammar. The KJB still stands as best translation. Hallelujah! ❤😂🎉
@Dave84King
@Dave84King 7 дней назад
Possible Translations: - in the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. - when God began the creation of the heaven and the earth. - in the beginning of God creating the heaven and the earth. - when God began creating the heaven and the earth. - in origin God created the heaven and the earth. - in the origin of God creating the heaven and the earth. Doesn't really matter the dicing or slicing of the sentence structure, you still get the same idea of the narrative. One thing you get for sure is the idea of a cause and effect. Cause of a scenario and the Effect it led to, with one ruling factor each sentence above have in common: time of causality, beginning, origin or start time of something, TIME
@allegory7638
@allegory7638 5 месяцев назад
Well it's certain from Genesis that before the six days of creation there's an existent earth that's covered with water.
@sketchpv3080
@sketchpv3080 5 месяцев назад
Yes, and this is also stated in more ancient text from India.
@truthmonger7
@truthmonger7 5 месяцев назад
Perhaps the New Testament came before the Old Testament. 🤣🤣 Just as night precedes day, darkness precedes light. It is God's method of creating something from nothing. God could have breathed breath into Adam before He formed him from the dust... just because He can. But He didnt. God formed Adam then completed him. God's process is to form in steps or sequence then complete. It is a pattern throughout the Scriptures. For more on this topic, No King But Caesar & The Return Of The Melchisedec is available online at Advantage Books. Peace to all.
@tiermacgirl
@tiermacgirl 5 месяцев назад
Not really, it was the "face of the water" seemingly
@imchillyb
@imchillyb Месяц назад
When a headline, title, or article asks a question the answer must always be a firm no. Headlines, titles, and articles speak from authority. If there is evidence to support the writer or speaker’s conclusion then they make statements. When there is no clear evidence these people ask questions and lead the reader to the conclusion desired. Questions have no authority. Did we get this wrong? No. If we did there would be a statement, not a question.
@deanhendrix3179
@deanhendrix3179 5 месяцев назад
You have just witnessed an over educated (he even brags about it) nerd pontificating about what he thinks. He thinks
@stephentaylor2051
@stephentaylor2051 5 месяцев назад
Hit the 👍🏻!!
@gardenjoy5223
@gardenjoy5223 5 месяцев назад
No way. Scripture explains Scripture. He's leaving out a whole lot of other Scriptures and comes to this interpretation, because of leaving those out.
@stephentaylor2051
@stephentaylor2051 5 месяцев назад
I’m guessing you’re not familiar with Heiser. What in this short video did you not agree with? I suggest a re-watch of the video.
@gardenjoy5223
@gardenjoy5223 5 месяцев назад
@@stephentaylor2051 That's the point. I am familiar with Heiser. The conclusion he makes is covert in this video. It was cut short, I guess. He tries to sell that some 'god' found an empty planet to play with. Try Exodus 20: 11. That one alone totally destroys his view. Also John 1: 1-5 and Hebrews 11: 3 makes excellent reading. Even Genesis 1 further on, where we read that the sun and moon were created on day 4 only.
@stephentaylor2051
@stephentaylor2051 5 месяцев назад
@@gardenjoy5223 I agree that what you are saying is true. But Heiser is making a point about translation philosophy. About why some translations read differently than others. Yes it was a clip of a much longer video ( about 5 hours or so). He is looking at that verse from Hebrew. If you watch other videos or podcast he is a regular 7- day creationist and creation out of nothing (ex nilo) believer.
@gardenjoy5223
@gardenjoy5223 5 месяцев назад
@@stephentaylor2051 How weird it is, that all I see by him is anti-Bible. Guess a whole conspiracy of clip makers must be out there then... Seems far fetched, really. How silly to make videos, that can be used to easily to come to the opposite of what you are trying to prove. And that with a PhD? Silly man.
@SMMore-bf4yi
@SMMore-bf4yi 4 месяца назад
Just knowing God the creator is enough for me, not want to overthink it, even if knowing in what sequence, the first line was enough to have faith, my belief
@dontpanic4694
@dontpanic4694 2 месяца назад
The problem that religionists have with Iron Age mythology isn't how its translated, it's refusing to acknowledge that its mythology.
@mshopey32
@mshopey32 Месяц назад
My world turned upside down when I realized this...about a month ago...after being raised Christian ...and I'm now kissing 50
@williammorris3334
@williammorris3334 5 месяцев назад
I’m not really impressed with any urgency to change my thoughts on something I can’t understand much about. God is perfect, holy and infinitely beyond us. He is totally distinct from his creation. He spoke the universe into existence. That is enough for me. It doesn’t change who God is or who I am. He dragged me into his kingdom kicking and screaming. He called me out of this evil world and broke me down with my sins, until I surrendered completely to him. Don’t major on the minors people, focus on Jesus and give up on the cares and pleasures of this world. Follow his teaching in the gospels. Eternity is waiting and coming very very soon.
@Marcovian04
@Marcovian04 2 месяца назад
In verses 1-3 four things are created. 1. Time starts. 2. Space is created. 3. Matter is created. 4. Energy is created. "In the Beginning" TIME. "Created the heavens" literally means 'stretched out space'. "Created the earth" means just matter. It is not talking about the planet earth, but dirt... ie... 'a hand full of earth'. Imagine an artist 500 years ago... He would first stretch out a canvas over a frame, then he would get his paints and supplies ready to start creating. Then he would CREATE! That is exactly what God did. He stretched out space, got his materials ready, then in the later verses he starts his masterpiece.
@billyhw5492
@billyhw5492 5 месяцев назад
Except that John clearly thought it said, "In the beginning..."
@robinreeve
@robinreeve 5 месяцев назад
Reproducing the Septuagint wording of Gn 1.1, which was was written by Jewish translaters two centuries BC, tgar is centuries before the Massoretes whose vocalisation choices may be contested.
@marcdc6809
@marcdc6809 5 месяцев назад
that was in the year 90, written in Greek by people who wanted to modernise their belief in Zeus, the late Roman Empire... it's a bit weird to look at the point of view of a heretic to find agreement on old hebrew fairytales... god does not exist, but if he did he wouldn't just leave his chosen people behind, unless god is a total sociopath, which would make sense, but only an idiot would dedicate his life to such a construct.
@ajrod441
@ajrod441 4 месяца назад
Yes, I totally agree! We need MORE people like him. Instead we have so many teachers who are "King James only" and going with whatever sayeth one of the great grandparents of Queen Elizabeth. (The same Elizabeth who RECENTLY passed away).
@Kamisori80
@Kamisori80 3 месяца назад
Another possible translation is , By (using) beggining God creted Heavens and Earth. This corresponds to the translation (New messianic Bible) Prov 3:19: "The LORD-Yehōvah [Messiah Pre-Incarnate] by wisdom has founded the earth; by understanding has he established the heavens." And thus RESHIT/beginning is actually WISDOM, using which God creates Heavens and Earth.
@prairiebaptistnoblesville
@prairiebaptistnoblesville 5 месяцев назад
I have a couple questions. First, with no vowels in the oldest manuscripts, how can he be sure his construction is the original? Second, what does this do the the context and theology of the passage? Is this a distinction without a difference? Or is he postulating that God didn't begin the creation, that He just improved upon a preexisting structure? Perhaps the rest of his talk clarified things, but this snippet leaves me wondering what he's getting at.
@lizadowning4389
@lizadowning4389 5 месяцев назад
You don't need vowels to understand that the first clause in Genesis is a dependent clause. Hence, "When god began to create ..." is the more accurate translation over "In the beginning god created ...". Your answer lies in the text itself. The primordial waters were always there, perpetual, god did not create them, he hovered over them. As is in line with much older Mesopotamian creation of man myths. Gen is not about a god creating the cosmos but creating man, and a place for him to dwell on (Earth). So the waters were always there, he just separated them (above from below) to create 'room' for land (Earth) and man, animals and plants to thrive on. It is just a means of humans trying to figure out why we are here, to what purpose, etcetera. And as we now know, they are mythological in nature. Earth was formed in a violent play of the birth of our solar system. And once it cooled down, and the right conditions were present, life arose. Instead of reverting to mythology, we now use our brains, and scientific methods, to try and understand HOW it all took unfolded, HOW it works -- contrary to mythology, and theology for that matter, which never explains HOW ... just a meaningless who. And this who is even an unevidentiated, a mere presupposed divine creature that excells at divine hiddenness. It doesn't explain a thing and we even have to 'accept' it because "for so says the bible". Hardly a serious foundation for knowledge.
@tymmiara5967
@tymmiara5967 5 месяцев назад
It shouldn't be called the "Hebrew syntax view". Rather, it should be called "interpretation of the medieval Masoretes who placed the other vowel" view. Yes, the masoretic text does say as explained, but it need not be what the author meant. After all, the Septuagint and the author of John's gospel have an independent clause.
@tymmiara5967
@tymmiara5967 5 месяцев назад
@bettyblowtorthing3950 Funny you should mention the dead sea scrolls which DO NOT have the niqqud vowels based on which Heiser's view is built. My point still stands: Heiser's view is not "Hebrew syntax" view. It's "The view held by the Masoretes in medieval times", and even that is apparently not clear-cut. Heiser says it explicitly in 6:15 "The Hebrew was not written with any vowels, I've added a vowel here. If I was a Hebrew scribe using a system that was invented around the 8th century AD [...] if I were to be sure that my reader would understand I'm talking about THE beginning, I would use that little mark that looks like the capital T. And it would be pronounced ba-reshit. [...] If I wanted to opt for 'when God began', I would youse the two dots underneath [...] That would be be-reshit. Which one do you think is in your Hebrew Bible? The one everyone uses now. The dead sea scrolls do not have vowels, vowels started in middle ages. Which one do you think we get in Hebrew texts which have vowels? It's be-reshit". Heiser doesn't hide the fact that his whole argument is based on vowels introduced by the Masoretes spelling out "be-reshit" and that the original consonantal text of actually ancient Hebrew original could have just as well have "ba-reshit". Heiser only points out that Masoretes decided on "be-reshit", but that the original Hebrew cannot tell us anything either way.
@tymmiara5967
@tymmiara5967 5 месяцев назад
@bettyblowtorthing3950 Sure, why not, but notice this is not Heiser's argument here. He made it sound like it is a matter of Hebrew syntax. It isn't. Well, not of ancient Hebrew syntax anyway.
@OldManMontgomery
@OldManMontgomery 5 месяцев назад
My Hebrew language study (brief) indicated the "now" presented a change on time from the preceding. I take this to indicate the passage of 'time' (whatever that might mean in this context) and the suggestion the Hebrew word translated "day" as a time period longer than a twenty-four hour period (as in "...day of dial phones..."). I am delighted to see and hear the concept that the KJV is not the absolute and final determiner of translation meaning. The 'word of the Lord' does not equate to 'the word of the KJV translation team'.
@bycracky22
@bycracky22 4 месяца назад
Mike Heiser passing , Rabbi Ted Tedfords passing has left me with 1 live full time scholar to increase my learning/ understanding with which is Dr. Eddie Chumney. All are outstanding at making you think.
@russellgreenwood8446
@russellgreenwood8446 5 месяцев назад
I do appreciate this video, and Dr Heisers explanation. However I have 2 concerns: 1. based on his feeling of the wording of Genesis1:1 as a dependent clause, verse 2 does not flow or connect smoothly with verse one. 2. Verse 2"Genesis 1:2 "And the earth was waste and without form; and it was dark on the face of the deep: and the Spirit of God was moving on the face of the waters." Amplified Bible Which Dr Heiser did not contest; in this context sounds like God in the beginning started with something waste and void and did His creation. Why start with something waste and void? All that God created was good or very good, not waste and void. To me verse 2 is specific indicating that God restarted with the earth covered by water and did a new creation from the old. This begs the question how and why was the heavens and the earth made waste and void?? The Bible is God's speaking. " All scripture is God breathed..." 2Tim 3:16a.
@megafathergaming9375
@megafathergaming9375 4 месяца назад
This is what I call .. Permanent Head Damage
@charlesrae3793
@charlesrae3793 5 месяцев назад
Scholars have said for ages that the concept of creation ex nihilo is not implied in Genesis, but, as is so often the case, this understanding has not percolated down to the man or woman in the pew.
@gardenjoy5223
@gardenjoy5223 5 месяцев назад
Scriptures explains Scripture. Heiser's view leaves other Scriptures out, like these. "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him not even one thing came into being that has come into being. In Him was life, and the life was the Light of mankind. And the Light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not grasp it." John 1: 1-5 and "By faith we understand that the world has been created by the word of God so that what is seen has not been made out of things that are visible." Hebrews 11: 3. Sun, moon and stars were made at the fourth day only, according to further reading of Genesis 1. Scripture goes in against the vision, that some 'god' found a nice void planet and started to play with it.
@NotMyOwn-xd5iu
@NotMyOwn-xd5iu 5 месяцев назад
How does this compare to John 1?
@divineunderstanding5
@divineunderstanding5 5 месяцев назад
John 1:1 happened BEFORE Genesis 1:1😇🐈‍⬛
@youkuya
@youkuya 25 дней назад
It also helps if you use the immediate and larger contexts to realize that Heaven is the atmosphere where the fowl fly (see days 2 and 5) and earth is the DRY land in between the Seas that God had made (day 3). Remember that verse 2 describes our planet as being covered by water. Obviously, before God could put Adam and Eve on this planet He had to do something about all that water. So now verse 1 makes sense... we are being told that God had to make AIR to breathe and DRY LAND to live on BEFORE He put Adam and Eve here, which God did at the BEGINNING of the WEEK, on days 2 and 3. The beginning in verse 1 is referring to the beginning of the Genesis creation week, nothing else. Day 1 has an evening (sunset) and a morning (sunrise) which can only happen if our planet was rotating in the solar system. So God had made the universe at an earlier creation event(s). The context of the Genesis creation story is God dealing with the rebellion of Lucifer and his fallen angels. Jesus said that all believers will become equal to and like the angels of Heaven, so it was one of God's intentions with the Genesis creation event to replace the fallen angels.
@lombardfortsoniii8124
@lombardfortsoniii8124 3 месяца назад
I was taught verse 1 was a HEADLINE statement like you would read for a chapter title or newspaper headline. Verse 2 and so on, begin to describe the event.
@eriktedja1199
@eriktedja1199 2 месяца назад
Is there any full teachings video from this one?
@dave438-jw3
@dave438-jw3 4 месяца назад
This is interesting--"Let there be light" becomes the Big Bang if we admit that we do not know the length of a Day of Creation. Keep in mind that Orthodox Christians have always said that we are living in the 8th Day of Creation which dawned at Christ's resurrection, implying that the 7th Day of Creation lasted from Genesis 2 throughout the Old Covenant, until Christ rose from the dead--the New Covenant!
@acratone8300
@acratone8300 5 месяцев назад
I am Christian. Middle aged. I never thought verse 1 was indicating something had now been created. I viewed it as sort of a title, an introduction to the creation story which followed. Here's the thing: I never imagined anybody would interpret it any differently. Otherwise the whole passage would be sloppy. Creation began at a time when there was a void existing on the deep which was already there. Next came the creation of the heavens and the Earth, beginning with light. And of course every reader would know that the Sun causes the light. Block the sunlight and there is shadow. The sun sinks below the horizon and presumably keeps sinking, and the light goes away. Except for the faint moonlight and starlight. So we have another introduction statement that God created light. And then we learn how: he created the sun, moon, and stars. The author of this text knew that no reader is going to assume that there was light created before the sun, moon, and stars were created. Because if that was so, then where is this light today that does not depend on the sun, moon, and stars?
@ts-900
@ts-900 5 месяцев назад
I'm not suggesting that we actually leave out Genesis 1:1 -- but what if it is a title? An introduction?
@evanssooklal1620
@evanssooklal1620 3 месяца назад
Correct me if I am missing something here… Is it that you’re saying God did not create the Heaven and Earth in the beginning… but rather when He started to work ( create), it was on something already created before?
@chipcurrin
@chipcurrin 5 месяцев назад
Curious, is he saying that there was something in existence that God did not create? Meaning the earth, formless and void always existed? Not trying to be argumentative, just trying to understand the point.
@zamanikafang7957
@zamanikafang7957 5 месяцев назад
I am a Ph. D. holder in OT and I read Hebrew. I have written on Genesis 1:1-3. The Hebrews/Jews started it like that mainly to counteract the pagans beliefs of creation and their process. So, what Genesis did is: Blueprint-implimentation-summary throughout. We have this in smaller and bigger sections. Note, after verse one, the author of Genesis turned his attention to the earth. Now, it was left for the New Testament to explain to us about the heavens. By the time you reach the book of Revelation, the whole gates of heaven are opened and you can see it's contents. Anyway, thank you for your comments. They will probably ginger us to go back to study the text deeper. Again, thank you.
@jaywalker5632
@jaywalker5632 5 месяцев назад
Seriously! Thats it ? We all need much more than this!
@jetra_h
@jetra_h 23 дня назад
What does the phrase "the face of waters"? Does it mean water already exist? Thank you in advance!
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