Have You Been Reading God's Mind? - Law & Order 

"He who passes judgement should swing the sword?"

Firan25 So that he may die by the same sword when the defenders fight back.

@@Firan25 Back when GoT was good!

@@LucianDevine I wasnt referencing GoT. Thats a pretty common saying if I recall.

Terrorist? Yes. Mastermind? Not even close, just a crazy person who bring fear.

That was a season 1 episode of og law and order

andrew gifford yup, it’s on this page as well

Law and order suv sounds like a great car 🚙

Don't you mean "Law & Order SVU"? And it didn't happen in there. It happened in this series. Season 1, episode...10 I think. If the SVU has an episode of an abortion clinic, then I may have to find it.

Squeaky McBeal yeah, it was from the O.G. Law & Order

Lol

Just curious what "Pagan-turned-Christian" means? Easter and Christ Mass and Sun-day worship are pagan.

@@mrchrysler9736 Wican?

Mr Chrysler - From the time of Constantine using “Christianity” as an expedient tool to unite his empire what you have is not Christianity but rather Christendom. Those who would at some point in the future claim, “Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and expel demons in your name, and perform many powerful works in your name?” There is a real warning in Jesus’ reply, “And then I will declare to them: ‘I never knew you! Get away from me, you workers of lawlessness!’”

Mr Chrysler I think it means their friend went from believing in the existence of many gods to believing in just one. They're getting closer to the real number.

@@Adam1nToronto 😆

Glad the judge easily saw through his bullshit and knew the most damaging things done was what he himself was saying

@@clearshade3560 McCoy glancing at the jury almost as if to say "you see this dipshit?" is also absolutely class. The Judge was merely observing a formality to see the idiot finish.

@@KasbashPlays McCoy is awesome.

Word!!!😂 Agreed!!

and he said that AFTER mccoy had already lowered his voice in repeating the question.

That's why they aren't pro-life. They are pro-birth and destroying the mothers lives.

Nikky K exactly

@@nikkyk4839 to quote George Carlin, they aren't pro-life, they're anti-woman.

Actually plenty of them do help. Many people donate time, money, and resources. I know many people that take in children from unplanned pregnancies and other situations. However you seem more at peace with trying to shut down these organizations that help because they don't agree with you.

@@barefootedgypsy93 the kkk does charity work too. An organisation like the church doing some good things doesn't erase all of the terrible things they do

Dude no offence but you do know that he actually had somebody else kill dr reed right?

@@matthewforsyth284 That's not the point. The point is that he testified that he would have shot to defend others. Well, if this is about defending others...why didn't *he* shoot? It's basically another way to frame "You don't really believe you're defending life by doing this."

The late great Edward Herrman as Seeley. He captures so well the righteous leader's smugness and indigation in the face of McCoy's harsh assertions.

You're not that guy, pal.

@@aidanadkins5922 Trust me, you're not that guy!

@@aidanadkins5922 "I am that guy." - Amos Burton

Mr. Seely had no escape at that point. Both the judge and prosecutor had put him in checkmate right before his very hypocritical eyes.

Lyra Maria Amen

hell yeah!

You can say he was criminally underrated actor.

I like how delicately you worded that. Kudos to you =)

Hear Hear.

Which one, McCoy or the defendant?

The defendant. He played the grandad on Gilmore girls

He is actor in one criminal and law tv show, the studio people are trying to find a face to fool people. Like his character, he was good.

@@kitkatmccabe ... you mean, Rory's grandad.

And Mike & Sam's mom seemed to really like him until she found out he was the chief vampire.

Better to believe in the spaghetti monster. Then your mind clears up real quick...

Very well said

Robert Flynn Spaghetti monster? You mean worshipping King Ghidorah; the planet eater, the golden demise, the Koko no Kami (the God of the Void)?

@@whathell6t no there is a religion that worships a spaghetti monster in the sky

Which is why I chose atheism. I’d rather keep my hands clean from a crusade that most certainly could have terrible justifications, than swing a sword blindly following the will of a being that can’t do it himself.

I don't know who said it, I've seen it attributed to everyone including Abraham Lincoln, who was an attorney before he was President, but the saying goes, "He who represents himself has a fool for a client."

Didn't the anti-abortionist from Season 1 represent herself for the closing statement? Seems to me these people have a pattern on this show.

@@feverspell I found the earliest mention in “Humane Prudence, or, The Art by which a Man May Raise Himself and Fortune to Grandeur” by William De Britaine, published in 1682. "Before you act, it’s Prudence soberly to consider; for after Action you cannot recede without dishonour: Take the Advice of some Prudent Friend; for he who will be his own Counsellour, shall be sure to have a Fool for his Client."

Rule of Thumb in Law and Order: If someone defends themselves they'll either lose or something horrible will happen to them outside of court.

@@KasbashPlays She took the stand against the advice of her attorney. Almost the same thing, both characters tried to use the stand as a pulpit, which is never a good idea because it pisses off the judge.

Indeed he was. And I'm sure God Himself would come kick this man's tail.

Cult leaders are often content to sacrifice other people for their ends, because they're "too important"

Unfortunately for Seely, he just learned that it wasn't HIS god

DOC is gonna be his god now and he's in for 20 to life in Hell on Earth. Hope ya like pemis.

Mark Twain

" and by God, I am that fool." Gomez Adams

@@alexblack8565 Man I love that quote!

@@MichaelandCathy1999 Actually, Oliver Wendell Holmes.

except the psychopath who killed a family, opted to represent himself in court, then seduced the jury foreman to secure his acquittal.

Get Out of Hell for Free card?

Or the Koran

Or the Torah.

Because they are spineless and simple minded.

If you don't understand the bible it'll be difficult

Except for the wholesale murder of unborn children for profit.🤷‍♀️

Both are technically correct

dude no ofense but you do know that his name is actually Randall Jenkins right.

@@matthewforsyth284 thanks for the correction

I wonder. Does he have a son named Leroy? 🤔

@@himwhoisnottobenamed5427 you have no business making me laugh this hard 😭😭

And didn't they send a pregnant girl to do a bombing who also died?

@@Seek1878 Yes, yes she was

But Stone broke her when he asked her if the bomb she sent also killed an unborn baby. You could pin-point the exact moment her mind broke

@Bobbie Charles That he did. They may have had different styles but in the end, the two of them know how to exploit the flaws in the testimony of hostile witnesses.

@@thedelta4258 I did too. Stone completely nailed her and broke her mind in a one hit KO.

But when he spoke of slavery, he said the bible didn't condemn it, yet it does. It's why Moses escorted the Israelites through the deserts to freedom.

@@dragonturtle2566 Also Ephesians 6:5 was figuratively saying to respect and obey the responsibilities given to you by your worldly boss (if you have a job.)

@@trevonpernell0814 Simply put.. be a good worker and not a lazy freeloading idiot. Common sense factor in that one really.

It was a scripted show performed by actors.

@@jayburris6252 And that changes what?

Burn

Cakechan Audio that’s so true 👏

Uhh, dude no offense but it's "trial" not "trail' like "trail mix" or "hiking trail"

That guy was acting as his own attorney, so he didn't have anyone to object on his behalf. Not that the judge would have ruled for him anyway.

@@johnlatham5391 Love that the only reason no one shouted objection is because there literally wasn’t anyone in the scene who could reasonably shout it

watching the subsequent scene, I think he represent himself? Therefore no defense lawyer to shout 'objection!'

He basically used some verses in the bible to support his argument. Also God does not allow you to murder, that what Jesus said, that even if you have looked at someone wanting them to be murder you wanting evil for them you have committed a sin, because a crime starts with the thoughts, that why you have men's rea and actus rea the men's rea the intent, so the planing in your mind and the actus rea the actual doing. Bible in the old testament tell us things like love you neighboring and hate you enemies, and in the new testament says love you neighbour and pray for your enemies because in the old testament people didn't really want to follow God so God allowed them to do what they believe was humanly wrong to hate their enemies but the new testament Jesus show us how to actually please God by saying Love you enemies, especially when he died on the cross for me and you and pray for this who hung him saying, father forgive them for they don't know what they are doing, because they were killing an innocent man, not giving him a fair trail, that did his trail in the night, which was against the roman law and also they concluded which again is not right in the roman law, so it was an on just trial and also they bought false witnesses so again, Jesus says pray for your enemies, which is what this man should have done and not taken things into his own hands, Jesus loves everyone even though he doesn't love what people do, but he doesn't plan for you to die, which is why in the the verse the man for quoting in Isaiah says I knew before you were in your mother womb, and also another one, God said for I know the thoughts I have towards you meaning the human race, he said thoughts of Good and not of evil to give you an expected end, doesn't mean God believe that some human actions are right , but he is still ready to welcome you into Hus family, no one is perfect but God that why he doesn't expect us to be perfect without him, but with him we can become perfect daily we will fall some time but we will rise up. Jesus said joy, peace and love but the greatest of these is love. Jesus loves you both.

Thats the abrahamic followers for you. Their entire mythology is all about flip-flopping. Thats why their ridiculous god Yahweh does not work as a concept.

there is so much in the bible that runs contrary to other parts of it. Then ya have to figure out which verse is more important than the other and hten ya have to figure out what is literal and what is metaphorical. It keeps ya busy and distracted and in a state of servitude until you die.

Yeah a lot of religious people are like that. Condemning homosexuality from their couch sitting next to their 3rd spouse and child born out of wedlock. Hypocrisy and religion go hand in hand

@@MrBingping That's why I don't believe in 'Religion'. The concept of religion is a man-made institution, and what is more flawed than man? I have faith, not religion. I trust common sense to keep me from being a nut-job like the idiot in the above clip.

they were both in the Great Gatsby together

Gatsby is my fave book/movie and it kicked off my fascination with Sam Waterston. He will always be the only Nick Caraway for me. I’m glad to hear he was a good guy. I hate when my idols turn out to be jerks.

Actors who are close friends often make very good on-screen opponents in movies and television. The same was true with Richard Widmark and Sidney Portier, who were antagonists in all the movies they appeared in together but were very close in real life.

That is so cool!!! I bet you have many stories!

@@LordZontar Agreed. In Runaway Jury, Dustin Hoffman, and Gene Hackman faced off against each other. They were roommates in the 60s.

Both are already translations. Possibly upon other translations, I'm not a thelogist .

And it only applied to fellow israelities, not the other tribes they routinely slaughtered (infants included)

There are a few other things in the Bible, especially where Christians are concerned. "Turn the other cheek", for example, as committing violence is so antithesis to the Christian faith that when another does you actual harm, you still are not supposed to strike back (and yes, I'm also aware that when asking "What would Jesus do", flipping tables and whipping people is not out of the question). Also, "Judgement is reserved for God alone." These are paraphrased, but it's the gist of the verses.

@@rcslyman8929 The bible says a man can force a miscarriage on his wife if he suspects cheating...

You make that sounds like it matters and the argument is over.

his small but essential role in "overboard" was great too!

Don't forget The Lost Boys!

Edward Hermann was one of my all-time favorite actors. My favorite roles were when he played my all-time favorite president, Franklin Delano Roosevelt, and I can't help but think he really looked up to him as well, given how many times he portrayed him, from the '70's through his final role as a voice-over in Ken Burns' "The Roosevelts". When Hermann died, I felt as though we had truly lost President Roosevelt all over again! Another role I really liked him in was on "M*A*S*H", when he played a surgeon who, tragically, "crashed" amidst the circumstances. I can still see him sitting on the floor in Col. Potter's tent trying to get the blood of off his hands, saying: "It won't come off." And, just by looking at him, one could tell that even he knew it was over. As noted in these two roles, Edward Hermann gave his characters everything he had. He was one of only a relative handful of actors and actresses about whom I can honestly say that.

He also played Richard Rich Sr with near perfection.

His role as Roosevelt was my first exposure to him as well.

What season and episode is that? Who was the prosecutor? Great series this was?

Yes please tell me

Season 5 episode 12 progeny

So many people use the bible to justify things when they haven't even read it... they are EULA Christians (End User License Agreement-they skipped over the fine print and just clicked "I Agree" at the bottom).

@Newell Orban Not the entire world is Christian mate. Contrary to popular belief even the colonised countries (like mine where the population accounts for only 2% of the total country's population), aren't Christian. Most non morons know this.

@Newell Orban Please provide the supposed verse that condemns slavery. Additionally; if we pretend for a moment the New Testament condemns slavery...that raises the question why? Did god change his mind? The all-knowing creator of the universe didn't realize slavery was wrong before the New Testament? Oh...and finally....you do realize the verse McCoy read in the courtroom was from the New Testament not the Old.....most non-morons know this.....

@Newell Orban so unless a religious text says something or the other people will blindly follow it? Even if its contradictory? And why does a book of god change its stance on a particular subject? Its God! Humans change not God he is the supreme being, he kno s everyone and everything! Or atleast that's what his followers believe and that belief is what makes people follow him... Even Flanders in the Simpsons says he does all the things the bible says even then ones that contradict the others!

@@skyeangelofdeath7363 I'm being a jerk here, but its fun to see other religions have doubters for a change. We just can't leave it at God is great can we? No we also want to say God decides everything. He gave you life and a brain but still everything is according to my plan! But still devil Exists and you sinned etcetera....

Slavery in the Bible is not the same as modern slavery, as I posted above. It was a debt owed by one family to another, so the one who owed the debt went to work for seven years or until the debt was paid. It was a business agreement and the worker was to be treated with respect and as a member of the family. It was not taking a person by force with no debt owed as was done, and still exists, in modern times.

Of extremists, yes

Hypocrisy is pro choice as well. It's the problem with a choice that is sometimes a lesser of two evils. Everyone picks sides at the extreme and declares themselves holy and the opposition as demonic

Pro-life = Anti-women

prospero 41 pro lifers aren’t alway Christians. It doesn’t come down to religion at the end of the day it comes down to control

@@belsnickel9568 never said they were, but pro choice or pro life becomes noise to a debate that can never end.

Watch Grace and Frankie

TheLips1962 Sam’s the barrister.

@@MuzzyBarker I love him on Grace and Frankie!

Is that the episode with Ben stone and the lady? If it's that one, it was very good. Or was it another episode that I may have missed?

Ben Stone took her out with one brilliant question that turned her logic around and made her realize by getting a young pregnant woman killed, she was no better than the abortion doctor she said was a murderer.

@@booyah2u296 That's the one.

@@intldawn Exactly, she was no better than the abortion doctor she said was a murderer. It is like Ben Stone said when he asked the anti-abortion activist, "If abortion is murder, no matter how bad you feel for Mary Donovan, are you guilty of killing her unborn child?"

@@booyah2u296 THAT EPISODE WAS FIRE 🔥

Oh yeah he most definitely have blood on his hands

Sometimes one must stop and think: What kind of being is God, REALLY?

I’m not religious by any means, but didn’t God command Abraham to sacrifice (kill) his son, which Abraham was preparing to do, when God said, “Ok, you passed the test. Now release your son and sacrifice that ram (conveniently) stuck in the bushes over there”?

It's either: A. Their god is contradicting himself B. They use religion to justify their shittiness. Like so many people.

exactly, and he wants to cite "i knew you before you were in the womb" when the bible also explicitly says the soul enters the body at the first breath of life. his citation doesn't prove abortion is wrong (the bible actually includes instructions on performing abortions, read about "bitter waters"), it just proves that souls exist in heaven and birth is what joins a soul to a body.

The bible is full of god instructing people to do horrible things.

It's not a bug, it's a feature.

Me neither! My abuser tried to use God and religion to justify his beatings towards me.

Legally, no. He's fully aware of what he did.

@@MMuraseofSandvich that's even worse

Me

No way ...he's very much honored

😂😂😂 He’s lost.

Wasn’t he the racist general who was trying to send his black troops back home bc he didn’t want them in his unit or something like that???

but imposed death on the doctor?

@@DigitalPadawan Well, that's kind of his character flaw. He's against all that stuff, but claims he'd be willing to shoot in defense of another and claims that "defense of another" includes a fetus. But then in Vietnam, there was always an excuse for why he never had a reason or need to shoot to protect anyone else and, with the doctor, he couldn't bring himself to pull the trigger himself. He's all talk and ideology but, when it comes to actually putting it into action, he can't actually bring himself to take the actions he, himself, advocates in the name of God. Classic cognitive dissonance; he's caught between understanding that killing anyone is wrong and being justified in killing someone to protect someone else and can't pick a lane. So his compromise is to make excuses and always have other people available to pull the trigger for him since he wants it done, but won't do it himself. It's a bad case of projectile dysfunction.

Unfortunately, we are here to judge. That is the court set up to defend the people. Hate the sin and punish the sinner (that is what we do all the time). And that defendant did not show much love himself, did he?

Lol

Someone finally said it! Thank you!

That's precisely the reason why I built my pro-life beliefs on conviction, such as science, and not on religion, even though I'm a believer. If they were built only on faith then they would be very fragile.

Like how Desmond Doss did it? Convictions built using the focus of your reasoning mind I mean.

Well said.

@@snakebitepellehue no, you didn't, no matter how much you lie to yourself about it.

@@scottmatheson3346 Oh really? Do you know me? Do you know what I believe in? If not, then stop mansplaining MY convictions to me. Thank you very much.

He’s putting up a “justification defense” as in “he had good reason to commit the crime and shouldn’t go to jail.” The issue with his defense is that he himself doesn’t believe the crime is 100% justified (he won’t do it himself but he’ll make others do it), making his defense void.

OMG SAME LOL 😂😂😂

He usually just testifies on behalf of the witness. The defense attornies there all seem to be asleep.

in fairness, in this case the idiot defendant is defending himself so there's no one to object to mccoy's behavior.

@@scottmatheson3346 He does this in every episode. I'm surprised he kept his license.

Is God ok with the abortion doctor who shreds a child in the womb to pieces?

People seem to know what God thinks and can read his mind. They are projecting their own desires and biases onto what they think God would like or not like, or even what he wants to hear. That's normal i guess. After all, God is made up of what people think and feel about him. How many times have we heard people say "God would want this", "God would want that" or "God told me to do this or that"? Really?

@@classixdrummer Why do you say it's "my view"? What abortion doctors do is a matter of record, is it not?

@@josephalbatross5961 A fetus is not a child any more than a pine cone is a tree. If you don't understand that, you have nothing useful to say on this subject.

@@DrownedInExile A pinecone is not a tree. Baby trees and adult trees have different moral worth based on their utility to humankind. A fetus is not an adult. A living human child does have equal moral worth with an adult because all of humankind are created equal. Murdering a young human, old human, disabled human, dependent human is still murder.

And not to mention Jewish people follow the teaching that life begins at the first breath so abortion is not a controversy in Judaism.