consider picking up a used quest 2 or something so you could at least add something to the conversation. if you shop smart, you can sell it again afterwards for the same as you paid, essentially allowing you to gain the knowledge for free. so there is hardly any excuse not to. and once you realise that its the only viewport that makes sense, you'll understand why i think the rest of the discussion is pointless. you might as well have a debate whether its more realistic to driver with a paper bag over your head, or looking through a mailbox slot. pointless debate. how about neither?
It is not hysterical, it is true. It is all about FOV. Scroll to 8:48 this is how it looks in real life, to include the cockpit you need much bigger screen, if you prefer to include the cockpit it looks like you are driving from the back seat. And it is not about 3 screens as the height of the screen is also important.
@@TimurKaramov In simulators, you have to compromise between how "it looks in real life" and what is actually usable. The way that eyeballs interpret visual data is entirely different to how games express it, plus you can't actually turn your eyes in the game. If the FOV were actually accurate, you'd be able to see almost directly to your side while looking at the road ahead. While driving, you do focus on the road ahead, but there's no need to simulate that in the game since you do it yourself.
@@Simracingisgoated thats a fact buddy, you have to see the car all the time or youll forget what car it is. third person is like hip fire and we all know that noobs love to hip fire. aiming down sight is more accurate. these are not opinions.
@@DiariesOfABadDriver good one dude that was so well put together how could anyone refute that? you idiots are confusing immersion and awareness with accuracy thats cute. im done here.
On the "Bonnet is more realistic" section; while I fully agree that in a real car, the cockpit takes up most of your peripheral vision, I also think that in a sim, it is redundant to see the cockpit as you already have a steering wheel in your peripheral. This is why I prefer bonnet/dash cams in most sims I play, as I treat the monitor as my "windshield" and let my setup act as the "cockpit". This may also be the case for people with physical dash displays for showing RPM, speed, gear, etc... but I can't confirm as I don't own one.
My favorite is to just turn the steering wheel off from the game, it kinda adds to my immersion if I see the dashboard and my wheel is somewhat properly aligned. Then again I overall prefer driving from the cockpit. I feel like I see everything I need to see and it adds to my immersion.
I have the same logic... I mostly drive with bonnet/dash cam because it feels "the most realistic" physically. As you said, the tv is the windshield. But lately I am trying to adjust to the dash/cockpit, depends on a car (I mostly play AC), as some cars are decent and some are bad to drive from cockpit cam. Guess the VR is the most realistic regarding the visual feeling, but it has it's own problems... :)
If ingame cockpit cam is set to ingame driver perspective, then real YOU feels like driving from the car's backseat, because it adds another distance you monitor. Thats why hood cam feels more natural.
@@lumixpepper yep, especially as someone that uses a normal sized monitor more than arms length away from me, it's just way too awkward and hard to see from cockpit cam
The issue there is that because the mirrors sit further forward or back, or are wider or narrower between different cars, you'd end up with different FOVs for everything. I think it's best to set a uniform fov for all and then adjust the camera position to get it as close to your liking from there.
I only play Dirt Rally 2.0 atm and only have a controller. I use the cockpit view exclusively and using any other view makes the car feel impossible to control. With chase cam, it feels like I'm suggesting to the car where it should go, but with the cockpit cam it feels like I'm able to directly put the car exactly where I want. I can easily tell exactly what the front end is doing plus the steering wheel helps a lot to see how much I'm actually turning. The lack of wheel in the bonnet and bumper cams is why I can't use those views, despite them still letting me easily tell where the car is pointing. It actually feels like the physics are different between cockpit and chase, even though I know for a fact it's the same, that's how much of a difference the visual feedback makes.
The problem I have with cockpit mode is that in some games even if you boost the seat up, it feels like I'm a toddler sitting at the wheel and the top of the dashboard is almost at my eye level. Also in some games like EA WRC and WRCG, when you're in the cockpit the windows seem tinted or something. And the road doesn't look as bright or detailed as it does when viewing from the bonnet cam. I still enjoy both, but if I want to set a killer time on a Rally stage. I'll usually go for bonnet view. Definitely helps with depth perception issues and being able to tell where the front of your car ends.
I actually used to go 50/50 cockpit/chase cam when I first started playing Dirt Rally 1. I moved to pure chase cam out of nostalgia, and because I just find it more fun that way. I use pretty much pure cockpit in American Truck Simulator, though. (If you think the lack of visual feedback in chase cam is a problem in a rally car, you can imagine what it's like in a semi truck). I think the idea of playing a sim racer like it's a simcade is appealing to me as someone who grew up with DiRT 2. In most other games, I go for max realism, but playing EA WRC the same way I would've played it as an 8 year old (3rd person, WASD) and still beating 100% AI is a lot of fun.
Something I've noticed when I play between the two camera modes, is I *feel* more comfortable in a chase cam, due to the spatial awareness. However, I know I am objectively a better driver when I'm in cockpit mode, even better if the wheel is invisible, and even better on hood-cam. It's for one primary reason. Braking zones. I am *woeful* at having a sense for the right braking zone in chase cam, I overshoot corners constantly. I'm not sure if this is *useful* context, but. I don't have any real-life experience driving competitively. All of my racing ability was gathered in racing video games, and of most of those games, I tend to play in chase-cam more than I do in cockpit view. But again, my skill gets a noticeable boost when I switch to cockpit or hood-cam. The sense of speed is a lot easier to read when I'm in the car As far as tweaking FOV, I hardly touch settings like that. I know it probably is very much the wrong move, but I usually take the "The default setting is probably that for a reason, I don't see any need to change it" when it comes to changing the FOV, and my results are as they've been described. Generally poor conscience on braking zones in chase cam, noticeably better awareness in cockpit, better yet on hood-cam.
Definitive options Arcade: Chase Cam, youre likely gonna be on a controller anyways Sim (Assetto corsa and more realistic): Cockpit, most people would choose a wheel over all in those titles. And personally i like seeing my inputs played out onscreen. Easier to repeat.
i’ve always used cockpit since i was a kid playing forza horizon 1 because it just felt way more responsive, like when you turn or go from turning one direction to another with chase cam the camera lags behind a little bit, so it felt way better to me in cockpit because the camera always stayed exactly centered so it was more consistent and the car just felt more responsive.
people argue bonnet cam is realistic cause they view the distance between their wheel and their screen to be great enough that the screen becomes the windshield. this would work for someone with a super expensive rig with triple screens and a full car body simulated in their peripherial vision, like that ricotrucker guy has. but not everyone has that, so if they want immersion, just use dash cam in assetto corsa or move the camera closer to the dashboard in cockpit cam and remove the steering wheel ingame. i think the argument is based on "from where i am sitting, i already see my steering wheel. why should i see two steering wheels." or something. still dumb, but consider all possibilities right
I will just add one thing in defense of the external camera. Controller. When I'm playing on the steering wheel, the cockpit (or the hood if there isn't one, or the bumper if for some reason provides better information than the hood (I'm looking at you Forza Motorsport 2) or slightly pulled back and moved to the driver's seat (NFS ProStreet and FlatOut 2/UC)) is my main choice. BUT 90% of the time when playing Forza, recently The Crew or other arcade games that are more convenient to play only with an Xbox controller, my choice is the chase camera. The controller does not provide the response that the steering wheel will and the input is completely different.
When i had a 17" screen, i used bumper most of the time. now with a bigger screen and sometimes vr i use cockpit cam because it is the closest thing to me driving the nordsleife like i do normally. Everyone has his preferences :)
i usually use different camera modes for different games like for example i use cockpit in dirt rally, hood camera in gran turismo and chase cam in wreckfest and beamng
You know what sucks about granturismo 7 cockpit view, the interiors are beautiful but it’s almost impossible to get immersed because the cockpit adjustment is horrible
Although I miss the visibility of the bonnet view, the way some games do the cockpit camera where the camera has inecria and will go up when the car goes down and so on make you feel the track irregularities so much better, that said I don't think there is a good enough compromise between FOV, visibility and speed sense on a single screen.
i think the point is when you’re driving you do focus out the windshield, not that you can’t see the cockpit. obviously its in your periphery and you can glance at it whenever you want. i think the cockpit view presents a weird perspective though in that this is all just out in front of you. i do think its going to be heavily effected by your set up though. a close up sim chair setup or better yet vr headset is going to put you right in the action in a more realistic way, while playing on your tv across the room is going to be weird. the dash is not way in front of your vision like that in the real world, or at least that’s not going to be your focal point when taking a corner or in tight racing
on the second watch, I can't argue chase cam is better or worse. but goddamn sometimes chase cam can be beautiful 😍 Circa DR2.0 and Assetto with a nice filter.
I like racing games quite a lot, been playing them since the 90s, but I'm a casual player, I don't think I'll ever buy a wheel and pedals and I'm not big into sims. For me it's chase cam, I love seeing the car, especially in rally games, seeing the car fly through a stage, the wheels digging into the mud, just looks and feels so satisfying to me. I tried playing Dirt Rally 2 in cockpit and bumper cam, but I can't, I just don't like it. The only game where I actually enjoyed cockpit view, was Project Cars 2
I can see why radar is useful but as someone who struggles with adhd and can't use radar because of how much of a distraction it is for me, I prefer no HUD and Crew Chief for a spotter if the car is realistically something that would have a spotter. otherwise it's music, no HUD and the sounds of car
@@DiariesOfABadDriver some of my best races come from just that mentality tbh, probably something about not having a care in the world and not having tons of things to distract from the driving.
About the disclaimer, I've never tried triple monitors, I've tried a 43" 4k at maybe 1.5m-2m and it's not as imersive. I've also tried different generations of VR, the original rift, one of the quests, and the PSVR , an the PSVR is a total GAME Changer, it was the only one where I experienced some sickness, because I felt like I was moving even though I was not. Something about the PSVR, maybe the retina scanning dynamic res, maybe the FOV, it's just on another level, and also drove so much better, I had do much more confidence because I could judge my speed so much better. I wish I could afford something like that. I think the PS VR was the best gaming experience I've ever had.
Personally I do cockpit view if the instruments are usable and if I get to look at the apex in the game. Then I'll use a FOV with 72° and just enough so I can see the left mirror and middle mirror. Otherwise its dash or hood view
VR is great, but it has the problems of requiring a very high end rig, and current headsets (at least the affordable ones) still have FOVs of at most 100 degrees, which for some (mainly the very competitive guys) is not enough and limits your peripheral vision more than a 3-screen setup. But if you have a good enough PC to run the game in VR and don't mind the limitation of what feels like driving with some scuba glasses then it's the most immersive and the best way of measuring depth. Mainly because you can actually perceive depth with it.
You can adjust the cockpit view in GT7 up, down, forwards and backwards. There isn't one forced view. Not sure what you mean by no adjustments whatsoever.
It's a global adjustment, you can't adjust it per car, which makes it functionally useless. It's also very, very limited in how much you can move on each axis. Compared to every PC Sim I've played it's a very bad implementation that may as well not even be there.
Those saying you dont see the cockpit seem to not have experienced driving a car. Its like saying you dont see the helmet while driving a bike. Maybe they either dont have periferal vision/awareness or just drive leaning heavily to the front, wich is a funny mental image. I like driving both ways. If i want to drive with immersion, i drive on cockpit. If i want to race in an arcade way, i normally drive on 3rd person. Im not used to cockpit view, so i find it hard to drive using that camera. I also dont have a wheel, so i dont really get the immersion anyways
I drive RWD from cockpit and AWD or FWD from the front of the car, on RWD i like to see where the wheels are pointing so i know if i should steer more or less. on AWD or FWD it doesn't matter as much
Idk i just use the cam that makes the game feel better, like in City Car Driving, the car looks kinda unconvincing from the outside so I use cockpit. Prostreet with the amazing sense of speed as a SimCade when using chase. And Real Racing 3 so I can feel the weight transition better and because my fingers fills up 10% of the screen
You're all wrong, VR is the best way to enjoy driving. Trolling aside, from an immersion standpoint, it very much beats any old regular camera; closest being probably a very well adjusted big triple screen setup or half circle projector. If you get the chance, I can highly recommend trying it out; though beware, it might be addicting.
The thing i have wiith Gran turismo 7 is that the rev limiter is not at all accurate in the cockpit view. I remember that in the Renault R.S 01 the cockpit shift lights flicker way before you actually reach the limiter, making it less accurate than what the HUD shows on the bonnet view. I haven't had that problem in Assetto corsa in VR or even GTR2 from 2006.
@@DiariesOfABadDriver thing is it's highly inconsistent. It changes drastically per car. My experience with racing games its that shift lights start flickering once you have hit the limiter. Here it starts flickering 800rpm before it actually is at the limiter.
@@zeeko6836 yeah, my understanding is that's because different engines have different torque curves. When the shift light goes off it's because you're at a sufficiently high rpm that you'll have have more torque at the next gear up, and in some cars that will be well before the rev limiter.
Are you a fan of Isaac Arthur's by any chance? :) Anyway, your disliking of the dash cam is solely based on its inflexibility. Sim developers rarely think of including the cam to begin with (even though it has much more reason to exist than the bonnet one), and even when they actually do - they forget that this is also not just the "one size fits all" deal. So, in way, a separate dash cam is a waste of time... however, you can emulate dash cam with a detailed enough *cockpit* cam instead. Then it will make perfect sense NOT to show the wheel. The FoV question is not as easy as the makers of the "calculators" try to present it as, for a variety of reasons. One of such reasons is the fact that humans usually have TWO eyes separated horizontally. At the end of the day, there is no going around putting yourself into a familiar situation (like the car being in front of some very well-known obstacle), memorizing its geometry from many angles of the "look around" view, then switching back to the cockpit cam and setting it up in such a way that makes it "click" with your brain - "ok, I believe that thing is indeed about that far from my car, while the road's width looks about right coming from how it looked outside with the car on it". Just don't forget to keep your head in the position you are setting the whole thing up for while you are busy doing that :) People most likely tend to get their face closer to the screen unconsciously to better view the details and the numbers, but that will ruin the setup.
I've always been a fan of the roof view used in Gran Turismo PSP. That game has a lot of pretty piss poor views, and the roof cam is the only one attached to the car, so it gives good feedback on car stability through corners, as well as good spatial awareness of the track and cars around you
The cockpit cam is more realistic for sure, but it dosen't give you the information that you get when driving a real car. While driving a car you feel what is happening underneath the car, you can quickly glance at your mirrors, you can pinpoint location of cars around you by sound, you can feel what is happening with the car in the corner by g forces. Simple one small/medium screen setup and ffb wheel won't give you all that info in 1st person, but 3rd person kinda does. I'm not any kind of proffesional driver or a full sim racer, but I've been on quite a few track days and racing events, and playing games in 1st person feels like I'm not getting all the informations that I get while driving irl
So i always chase cam forced myself to run cockpit cam in nascar heat 4 yep now i cant drive chase to save my life i feel like i dont understand my inputs in chase cam its like i can feel the backend swaying and see my wheel inputs with cockpit. Also i hit more thinvs in chase cam than cockpit funny
Well, other than the $$$ (which with the cost of living crisis being what it is, isn't flowing quite as readily as normal) my main reasons for having not tried it is I'm really just not keen on buying a VR headset blind. I have no idea if I'm going to suffer from motion sickness or not and I absolutely hate wearing uncomfortable things on my head (I'm very fussy with my headphones for this reason). I'll have to ask around with friends and see if I can borrow one from somebody, or worst case, look at used market so I can ditch it at no loss if I don't like it. Buying new is a hard nope from me, though.
@@DiariesOfABadDriverIf you get motion sick riding as a passenger in a car, you will get motion sick using VR. Only at first, though. It took me about a week to get acclimated. Play a session until you start feeling a little uncomfortable and then stop for the day. Play everyday and in about a week, you just won't get sick anymore. I will agree with you that it's tough to jump right into a headset without actually using it first. There are so many types all with different features. You pretty much have to do a bunch of research and figure out what's important to you. And it's nice to be able to try before you buy. My ultimate suggestion, if you're trying to keep costs down, is look for a used Quest 2. The Quest 3 just came out, and people are probably looking to get rid of their Q2's. Or if you are willing to try just any VR, you can probably find an original Rift CV1 for dirt cheap. Many people (like me for example) might have theirs just collecting dust in the closet. The image quality and resolution is nowhere close to what you can get in today's headsets, but you will understand why VR can be superior to playing racing games on a flat screen.
non related: i think the nurburgring from GT5 is the best bcuz its old and still has all the imperfect bumps and jumps. the new track is just not as intense.
@@maximilianl4453 You mean ABS, TCS, ESC and the other acronyms are for people who can't drive? And the drones are for people without any life at all...
Here is what I think in regards to this hot topic: Cockpit is realistic, but the amount of obscurity is too much, and the fov being off can completely ruin the experience. The issue is when you play racing games, you are simulating 3 dimensions on a 2 dimensional screen. This makes it really hard to make depth perception judgements. When I started driving in a real car on public roads, I immediately noticed that I could see much further because of it being real. In games, the amount that you see is so crucially important, I know why people use hood view. Its because some games have horrible cockpit fov, and you need to have a better view of the road. From a realism pov, cockpit is more realistic, but you desperately need to adjust the fov for the game you are playing.
Something that a lot of games suffer from too is the cockpit camera being at the wrong place. While a lot of newer games allow you to set it yourself, I'm used to older games where you can't. Most often, the camera is far too low, as if you're four feet tall.
@@Amazinglyultra I've had this too, he said in the video he is always aware of the cockpit however in vr I kind of phase it out. Also it helps a ton as I can actually look at the apex of the corner or if I get side by side with someone, I can turn my head to look at them or turn to look in the mirrors which definitely helps a lot.
I use the bonnet cam, mainly because I want my monitor to act as the front windshield in a way, and my real life surroundings as the cockpit. Using the cockpit cam just feels like having two cockpits obstructing my view.
its totaly stupid ,,, its the main excuse i read , and your just as dumb,, ITS WHAT YOU SEE IN A REAL CAR, YOU NEED THE DAMN DASH OF THE CAR YOU DRIVE IN THE GAME'' ANYTHING ELS MAKE THIS UNREAL DUMB ''
That make non srns you dont se 1 a bit of what is in a real car noyhing you NEVER GONNA SEE IN A REAL CAR AND SUCK LIKE NOT A RALLY CAR DRIVER POSTLIFOLION.. YOU ARE LOOKING TROUGH A CENTER POTITION CAR WITCH IS NOT.. AND YOU SUCK.
I use chase cam because I like watching my cool car do cool things. My driving is leagues better in any first person mode, be it hood, bumper, or cockpit, but none of them put a smile on my face quite as much as seeing the back of my car as it flies across the track. And to me, thats a lot more important. As youve said yourself, we play these games to have fun, so we should play them in ways we find fun :)
In your previous video you convinced me about the radar. I had the same feeling about the "Look left" and "Look right" buttons. It's either too slow or too disorienting because it's very unnatural compared to actually turning your head.
I think that depends a lot on where your screen is situated relative to your wheel. Also if you're driving in rain, the hood is less realistic because you don't get the appropriate visibility penalty that you would in a real car or cockpit/dash view.
Do you sit in the middle of your car IRL? For me that 's the biggest turnoff of bonnet/hood cam. In a real car you would be offset to the left (or right if you're on the RHD countries), and that makes a considerable difference in how you judge your position and distances. Being able to be on the dead center of a car that isn't a McLaren F1 or a open wheeler for example just feels of to me. Also if you could see your entire hood IRL, parallel parking would be much easier lol
So I’m one of those race gamers who do play in chase camera, and that’s just a personal choice of mine when it comes to playing racing games. Especially since that I like to customize my car sometimes and admire the work of art! Though I do play in cockpit every once in a while especially if I want more of a “realistic” challenge. Oh and I also like how some racing games where your driver’s head turns when you’re about to enter a corner (like the helmet cam in NFS Shift 2 for example). It kinda mimics the way as I would be doing it in real life. But in all honesty no matter what kind of camera angle I use, it’s just a video game one way or another. Also if I wanted a more realistic experience I would just hop on a go-kart IRL and have fun with that! 😅
Yeah this video doesn't really talk about how in less serious games and free roam games chase cam allows you to take in the game world as a whole which is why I use it Forza Horizon and other arcade games. Don't really care to be "in the car" when the game isnt trying to really simulate anything (except for occasional banter).
Depends on what your playing for, have fun and do what you want by all means, but some people like myself are looking to translate Sim skills into irl, just like any pro driver these days. I mainly drift and chase cam doesn't translate very well to irl, your perception in real life is completely different and only some of the muscle memory skills will translate. Making it easier than without Sim but in cockpit you can translate almost 1:1 to irl and use the Sim as "free" seat time saving you thousands on repairs, tires and fuel.
@@randomnoises8726 Well he explained it where he said "expectation", in forza, someone can expect it to be a sim of a real car, example he paint a car he owns in real life and want to drive in Forza IDK, could be anything. Personally when I play on Gamepad I run chase cams, when I play with a wheel I use cockpit/dashboard or anything that puts me closer to the real view I would have with that said wheel
@@RaphpowerSGSUModding Not what I'm talking about. He doesnt talk about enjoying racing games outside of a simulation perspective and why people use external cameras in those contexts. At most he talks about having a "different attitude" tacitly excluding opinions that don't revolve around real world accuracy from the topic. I can only assume its because those perspectives dont matter to him. But they are relevant to the topic of veiwpoint choice because some people proritise visibility, fun, etc so obviously it makes sense for them to pick a different cam or FoV.
It’s not a weakness, it’s an advantage. As has been described in great detail over these two videos. When you do start driving a real car, and you will, you’ll start to find driving in followcam so alien to you that you’ll end up switching to either bonnet or cockpit. You won’t enjoy the experience as much and that’s what gaming is all about.
I can't watch youtubers who plays forza horizon on a wheel with camera outside a car. It's terrible to watch for me. I tried FH5 on wheel but inside camera is aweful. Immersion with 180 degree wheel in every car was for me ALT+F4 from the game and going back to play it on keyboard/pad.
And yes not only forza horizon but other games too. If somone using this camera for the show its okey, but if its full gameplay... Its fucking weird man, you play on wheel with camera outside, like a fucking drone. Awwww
I never even bothered to see how many subs you had before you mentioned in this video. Instantly subscribed, I just watched part 1 before going to this video, and I'm so surprised you don't have more subs than you do. Your level of editing, calmness and how easy your points are to understand just puts your content at such high quality, it's incredible. Please keep making content!
Thanks so much! I'm currently unable to sleep due to some food poisoning so this was a nice pick-me-up. Much appreciated :) And don't worry, more videos are on the way
@@DiariesOfABadDriver I'm very sorry to hear that you've gotten food poisoning, but I'm more than happy if I could give you any kind of motivation, you deserve to see success from your efforts! I'm stoked to hear more videos will be coming, can't wait to watch them!
Another thing for awareness i'd like to add in just for those want the ability to have a head track there is free options or extremely cheap options out there, if you can pick up a good high refresh rate webcam ( xbox connect camera is like 120hz and can be got for less than $10) there is a few programs that can implement it for free such as open track and AI track they may not be perfect but can be tuned well enough for shoulder/mirror checks and relatively good apex tracking rather than having to sink a few hundred into the full track IR setup when you dont even know if its for you or not
I like Gran Turismo's bonnet cam (especially in GT4). It's a lot higher up, to the point where it's more like a roof cam. This lets me have more spacial awareness, it's easier to see where the front of the car is & I don't have that weird disconnect that the chase cam gives me. Sure, it's not as realistic as a cockpit cam, but it's not like it 100% ruins the immersion. I feel cockpit cam obscures my vision too much & the driver view isn't even centred. Racing games don't need to be excrusiatingly realistic, honestly, I feel like too many racing games try to be iRacing or something.
Tbh depends on the game. In simulators, i prefer the hoodview as i do have smaller monitors. But in arcades like forza, i prefer chase cam. Rally games cockpit.
I'd say: Let everyone drive what he or she likes and what works best for them. For me it's the bonnet. I don't need realism. I like racing. And i can put the car where it belongs while beeing on the bonnet the best. With dashbord or cockpit cam, there is just to much unused space on my screen.
I play sometimes with cockpit view sometimes with bonnet and sometimes with chase cam. I think it depends heavily on what you do and what you want. In Forza horizon it's not important how the car reacts as much as it is important to know if someone wants to divebomb and where that person is. In Singleplayer games or games i use as such like asseto corsa or beamNG i switch around depending on the car and situation. I prefer cockpit or bonnet mostly but i don't often like the steering wheel in view but that also depends if i have a real one i rarely want that wheel on screen as you also mentioned it's distracting. On a controller it's sometimes also distracting cause its unnatural fast or weird. In Forza horizon when you drift for example you have in the first person views a nice advantage beamNG added that features as well called a drift view or something. It gives you additional information on if the car starts to slide and shows the direction the car is moving so when you move sideways you look out of the window (also nice in racing cause you notice when you car starts to drift). And above all who the heck cares about realism i want the best view to drive fast which gives me the most feedback for the given situation.
The camera setting i must have now in the cockpit is on BeamNGdrive, better than 'look to apex' it's inertia strength with a look-ahead angle because you can feel visually the amount of force the driver has to deal with, very useful for me when drifting, and in grip while cornering it tends to be the opposite of 'look to apex' but i think it's like a whole new way to understand the car"s behavior (with the loads on the suspensions and tires) and to be in immersion.
Hi @DiariesOfABadDriver -- thanks for the vids, I thoroughly enjoyed Part 1 and 2, and felt myself 'nodding' throughout. One thing I didn't see addressed in both parts, was the issue of 'lock to horizon'. What are your viewpoints on that - there are pros/cons of course to being locked / unlocked, or somewhere in-between, and what's your personal preference? Perhaps worthy of a video?
Hey, thanks! Glad you enjoyed them. I've never actually tried lock to horizon before! I've seen it used in a few random videos before and I strongly suspect that I probably wouldn't like it, but I couldn't say beyond that. If I ever try it and feel it's worth commenting on then I'll be sure to include it in a video
Sounds good, thanks :) I haven't fully settled on a preferred setting myself yet, but I do feel like I experience less motion sickness by applying a small amount of lock, in particular with tracks with many banks/inclines/bumps - but I still aim to experiment some more.
i usually and always drive on dash view like in forza horizon since the steering wheel and hands just arent realistic and bothers me but i only use dash cam so i can see the instruments with the camera infront of the steering wheel so i can see them better but i can agree the lost of side view really hits and sometimes i have to switch to know whats going on i see myself ACTUALLY paying attention to the road instead of watching cars go by my left or right side an entire race it really pulls you into the experience especially on rally type races. great video overall anyway subscribing!!!!
while growing up i always used the bonnet camera, as soon as i started taking everything more seriously i switched to the cockpit. Honestly if you're searching for realism it's the only correct choice, but if you don't care literally no one will give you shit
Third person works with a controller or even keyboard but feels completely off when driving with a wheel. i cant keep the car on the road for more than 2 corners when driving in third person using a wheel. Have you guys ever seen a pro driving in third person? its almost impossible to be fast with it
Bumper cam user here. For me, it's not be able to see EVERYTHING in front of me that I can't stand, including the smallest bumps and turns and obstacles right as they come in. Cockpit, hood, chase, none of them work for me. Feels too... delayed, indirect? Like I'm blind for the last quarter of a second of everything I do.
That's interesting, regarding not being able to see everything. Genuine question, I mean this without judging or assumption, but do you have a driver's licence? I think that not being able to see everything is such a real part of actual driving and I wonder if the people who feel this way drive IRL or not.
@@DiariesOfABadDriver I do, but I also drive very rarely because I hate it, for similar reasons. Of course if you have a more recent car it's gonna have a zillion cameras for every angle, but that's another story. Whenever possible I just take my bike.
I think i gave up on cockipit because i couldnt make it look right and either couldnt see shit or had binocular vision, so just drove bonnet or roof cam and the skill translated well fronm roof to cockpit when i finally got my settings right
The majority of the time I will use chase cam, and that's for a number reasons. I grew up playing the older Gran Turismos on the first two PlayStations which didn't have a cockpit view and that is what I'm used to. I also used to play the TOCA Touring Car and Colin McRae Rally games on the original PlayStation which all have a cockpit view, but I didn't like them as they were badly modelled. Also as a content creator I prefer to use the chase cam as it does help my point came across better due to the wider FOV, especially when it comes to talking about graphics, physics and asset modelling. There are games where I do think the Cockpit cam is best. Mainly sim racers such as Project Cars, Assetto Corsa, and iRacing. I mainly prefer the cockpit view for those games as they were developed to be primarily played in the cockpit view. There are also games that have I terrible chase cams such as Ferrari Challenge on the PlayStation 3 and Road & Track Presents The Need For Speed. I think those games are best played with the cockpit view as well. I do disagree with the comments that you brought up from people defending the chase cam even though that is my preference. As it's a preference there is no right or wrong camera to use, and those of you who do treat the cockpit view almost like a cult then you need to grow the fuck up.
"As it's a preference there is no right or wrong camera to use, and those of you who do treat the cockpit view almost like a cult need to grow the fuck up." - Lol, totally agree :D
One interesting thing is that some race cars are using somewhat of a radar system IRL now. Using an actual radar, GT cars that have a rear view camera, will have large arrows pointing out the cars, and can possibly also indicate when there's a car outside the camera's view. I know BMW uses it on the M4 GT3
Idk if I havent said that before, but - im sitting in aluminum profile rig, so the first person camera is for me like doubling the view, so to speak. If I had the screen literally on my face (like VR does) then first person makes sense to me, otherwise its confusing. Thats why - dash cam, even if it obstructs the view. My screen sits where the dash should be (or a little bit towards the front of the car). "Immersion" it gives is secondary, the main goal is competitive advantage and I found out im fastest in hood/dash cams, but hood makes me not see opponents and in rallying its even harder to know where the back of the car is. Also - I'd LOVE to use chase cam, thats my favorite cam in terms of fun, but... driving like this just doesnt feel right, even when im doing it 4fun and not to win.
I use the cockpit cam most of the time (as i've previously said, it helps me as a mouse driver), but i usually try to shake things up a bit and change cameras. That said, i don't like how incredibly stiff some cameras are in some games. Also, loving the videos mate. I really enjoy how calm the are, a breath of fresh air during the times of 60 second shorts ☠️. The gameplay footage in the background is also pretty good, and this wider aspect ratio fills my phone screen pretty well ngl. Keep the good work up
Thanks, Felipe, glad you're enjoying them! Out of curiosity, what games do you play with the mouse? I've never tried it and would be curious to give it a try at some point.
@@DiariesOfABadDriver Basically anything lol. But i've played (with the mouse): 1. BeamNG; 2. ETS2; 3. Assetto Corsa; 4 Live for Speed Among others. It's weird at first, but imo it's better than a keyboard
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