HE ONLY - STILL WORKS??? World of Tanks 

Definitely

Yeah, the point was to fix the armour model, not the ammo. The problem was that you had to spam heat at them while they could rek you with he. Now both have to spam heat at eachother.

@@baronvonlimbourgh1716 the whole problem is just the constant addition of tanks with full impenetrable frontal armor models, having no chance of penning it in any way. Tanks need their weakspots back. All of them.

@@vovochen fixed it for you...HE changes were really good for WG. Now everyone shoots gold.

@@NavGTI this game needs so much. Giving them weakspots would also break the game at this point. Everything is just creeped to crap. Pen, alpha, dpm, speed, viewrange, mobility, acuracy, armour. It is all way to high nowdays. Just watch one of jingles old videos from 2015 or so and look at the difference. And the new equipment and field mods and everything only make it worse when tanks are already creeped to insane levels, most players have decent crews on their tanks, the game is awash with credits so everyone is using premium everything, consumables are now reusable so all tanks are at the top of their ability all the time. The whole critical damage mechanic is useless now, it has just become a tax to play the que. So much wrong atm. The things like having to have a tank that works on all maps kept tanks from becomming to strong, or you had a strong tank on some maps and a sub par tank on others where also balancing mechanics. Now everyone has a highly optimised tank for every map, another masive part of the power creep. Just like the consumables, when was the last time you could perma track someone. Or had to play with a broken gun or broken engine or ammorack for more that half a minute? Or a dead loader or driver or whatever. If you don't, nobody has to anymore. In the past that happened 15 times more then your enemies then it happened to you, so you regularly ran into tanks that could no longer repair, now that never happens anymore. These where all parts of the game balance that have been taken away. Played agresive at the start and got your tank rekt, play with a broken one the rest of the game. Was all about risk reward with real concequences. Now you can go all in, lay back for a minute or 2 and have your tank back to strenght

Yes, and also to get people to buy op hull down tanks to actually compete

That and the hull down gods were tired of being equalized with he spams on their turrets because there was no other way to fight them. Seriously, Wargaming isn't even hiding the fact that they hate their players and only want their money.

Yh

Op hull down tanks were as equally dumb as HE. Tanks like FV or 60tp doing 300+ dmg while hitting thick parts of armor was dumbest thing ever. But new HE "rework" is even worse and dumber

I feel like there's no winning with HE. It was super annoying having armor be useless because of HE but it's also annoying to have HE be useless because of armor

Ok thx.

Ah yes the dogs that we call teammates

Agreed

Sounds similar to what people were saying even back in 2015.

@@meaninglesscog it was playable and still fun. Good maps and less OP tanks.

Dont forguet - 20° of gun depression, 600 damage and 0.15 dispertion. plus a base view range of 500 and the camo of a light tank.

@@vovochen thats the borderline most retarded thing ive ever heard. If i want to penetrate reliably i load silver or gold. not a shell in wich RNG can tell me "No Damage"

@@vovochen "Used as intended for penetration" Me using HE only getting critical hits with a total number less than the games I played on that day. What do you mean by HE is intended for? For fun? It's not even fun at all.

@@vovochen Like yourself, since u are watching qb as well?....

KV2 also

Wow its like you can’t one shot seals anymore.

@@hpbaconsandwich856 you actually can, if you fire gold. Also Seals could just sidescrape and let the shot be absorbed by the tracks before. i remmeber i did that in my light tanks agaisnt prutes like the KV-2. Now Yes you can abuse seals but you have to pay a commisison to WG in orther to do so with gold rounds. Im better off selling the tanks and buyying something like a Lago or in tier VI a T-150, Skoda T25 or even the P 43.

@@rexmexzilla they are called seals for a reason,they are clueless.

@@rexmexzilla Exactly, the "problem" isn't even fixed, you can club all you want with gold ammo. If you meet tier 6 or 7 though (I won't even mention tier 8, you're dead), then god help you as the gun handling was not compensated for the HE nerf, so you have to aim for weakspots with a 0.50 gun now. Insane.

Oh no, skilled newb tactic stopped working. Oh no.

@@Godl1ked thanks for your helpful insights mr. Pro player. It must have taken you a long time to choose just the right words.

@@StephenJohnson-jb7xe Np, Mr. Cabbage.

@@Godl1ked while most people would have gone with tomato, because that what bad players are called in WoT, in a stroke of genius you went with cabbage. I concede that you truly are masterful keyboard warrior.

@@StephenJohnson-jb7xe maybe u could try aiming and not spamming HE LUL

For me it's when they designed light tanks capable of penning even heavy tanks from the front. Many years ago.

The introduction of EBRs was maybe the worst for me, followed by HE changes.

The arty nerf was, I stopped playing years ago because of that.

@@puciohenzap891 I'd rather three arties per game than one EBR or one Chieftain, or one 279e.

@@puciohenzap891 lmao "nerf"

it worked! just like sh*t :)

SHit, i load only silver on the 60TP and is so much better

The nonsense from the past was corrected, fortunately. In some situations it works, of course, but those situations have gone down massively.

@@juanjosedelpinorivas7099 you don't even know what you're talking about

@@rexmexzilla I have a few rounds of HE for the paper tanks, but yeah, HE sucks for anything else.

And let's talk about the fact that they didn't address all the howitzer guns. You have still immense reload and arty-level accuracy, while having zilch of the previous dmg potential.

@@TheGrandexeno yeah that’s the fucking thing, if they made derp’guns more accurate and reload faster as compensation it would have been fine, but no they stay like before and so turn into utter dogshit, fuck WG for this and fuck anyone who thought it was good

The KV-2R works fine with he BUT for some reason only if you use it as a sniper td tank from the other side of the map and for some reason hitting more people and one shotting people the further away you are(if you hit but most of the time I do if I have enough distance).

Maybe took out fun for SOME players but it definitely bringed balance

@@stivenstivensson4542 Yes because Kranvagn or Chieftan sitting hull down with absolutly no counter play is more balanced...

@@stivenstivensson4542 it brought balance are you out of your mind lmfao? it was a buff to the already op cheiftain and kranvagn you absolute git.

@@stivenstivensson4542 Yeah, no

@@mcflyy22 Who says there isn't counter play? Both of those tanks have weakspots on their turret.

Of course. It's much more fun to play tier 10 and have 3 heavy tanks shoot you with HE, without penning, without aiming, without skill, and bring you down to 1/3 of your health, because you peaked your turret slightly. That is much more fun oh yes. Remember Maus ? How E4 spammed maus's turret, it splashed to engine deck and even set the maus on fire ? Yeah ? Fun ? I once had a game in my e75, on himmelsdorf, where I peaked in a hulldown position (it's what you're supposed to do in heavy tanks), just to receive 3 HE shells from enemy 60tp, Maus and E4, who were waiting for me. I was left with something like 300-500 hitpoints, before the game even started. So explain to me, where is the skill in that ? What are we playing ? Roulette ? Is this game a casino ? We just sit at a distance firing HE shells at each other, and who ever gets the better roll, wins ? Thats what it is ? Or how about we take this hulldown meta that we have now, introduce some weakpoints on tanks with time, and have us a good, skill-based game ?

Geeze,man just expressed his opinion.

@@Godl1ked but it was better . The skill in that was working out where the enemy were and what they were likely to do. You had to think about what you did. There is no skill to the game now, just a boring meta with battles being won by the ones most prepared to pay the most to win. We are where we are because those that do pay to win cried that someone could damage them. We have a game with more and more one sided kerb stompings which is beyond boring.

​@@wildgooseman7047 You dont have arguments. They're all faulty, side arguments that you're trying to present as main story. It is very simple. You like bush mechanics in WoT ? Single bushing to spot, double bushing to shoot ? Yes ? How does it make you feel after 1.0, WoT has bushes that dont work. It's a known issue. A mechanic that you cannot trust anymore, that you actually SHOULD BE ABLE to trust every time. It is the same thing with armour. If you're a heavy and you're sacrificing most other mechanics for the single mechanic of armour and being able to sidescrape, little Timmy in his 60tp should not be able to autoclick you like a noob and doo 400-500 damage to your thickest part of armor, just because "it splashed" into some other, engine deck armor. What WG did was actually correct - if you can pen the plate - you get the HE damage that you deserve. They made it fair. The fact that you think "theres too much armour" in the game nowadays just shows me how incompetent you are in the actual game. I've shot AP only my whole life and had no problems. Of course, there's Chieftain's and Kranvagns coupolas, that are too small, and other small things that have to be fixed, but this current META is in it's infancy. It will get better with time. Currently there are a lot of streamers trying to 3mark tanks without gold ammo. They're not really having any trouble. And streamers are skilled, at least skilled in knowing weakspots. It's not really hard, just use your memory that has god given you. Dont sit there like a blobber or goo and expect the game to give you rewards for not putting any effort.

@@Godl1ked I fully agree to your opinion !!!3 tanks winning versus one, what an unrealistic scenario. The one OP tank that you, godl1ked, is playing should be able to beat 15 tanks alone without getting any damage. That would be a fun game. Even if all 15 enemy players have twice your skill, they should NOT be able to damage your tank !!! I always wonder if it easy to identify idiots on RU-vid. It is 🙂

The whales complained

@@cadet1ice It's true actually, a small elite of CCs and the top players (unicums) with their 279es and Chieftains were the only people complaining about HE.

@@distantthunder12ck55 yea losers were complaining about their op hulldown tank getting rekt cause noobs would maul them away with HE. As if it's fair standing in the same broken spot without your hull exposed. They should have buffed spall liner instead of nerfing HE. You are driving your retarded meta turretted tank? Fine but if you don't use heavy spall liner you should get destroyed by HE

No it isn't. Players with brains actually waited for these changes for so long.

Talking about how predictive HE shells, they are very predictive. You can even constantly damage 279e which has 300+ armour with a tier 1 tank 100% of the time.

I only use HE in the Caliban. Most HE doesn't have the pen to get past LT tracks and won't splash damage or even track the LT.

He shells are even more of a roulette than before. Example. 300dmg Vs arty side. In an obj 704.

@@stivenstivensson4542 Yes it was a lie, just read comments on yt vids, read the forums, look at the forum poll that was taken, total lie. Oh, and I think QB even did a poll and it was literally the direct opposite.

Never believed that number.

Maybe 70% of the player base that mattered to WG? The sweatiest ones with hull-down premium and full gold load-out? After all those are the players that matter to WG.

Maybe 70% of the playerbase complained about artillery, and wanted artillery nerfed, and WG decided to reinterpret that into nerfing HE shells for all tanks, not just SPG’s? That would be believable.

@@timonsolus I'd believe that 70% of the playerbase were stupid enough to think removing/nerfing artillery would solve the game's problems. Don't get me wrong, arty is more of an annoyance than it is a threat, but "fixing" SPGs is a drop in the bucket. Also, nerfing only the SPGs doesn't "guide" people to load more gold.

The 70% is just like the % of rounds they say that are gold bet ya the poll they did was just people that hated arty

I second this idea

@@vovochen HE was a stupid counter to another stupid thing in the game, now only stupid hulldown tanks remain. Is that really what you do enjoy? The right thing would have been to change both things in a major rework of the whole game.

But thats the point mate i am a very good player in wot that used to play all these stupid tanks like e100 60tp.before the he nerf i would let the happy tomatos fire he at me for 300-400 dammage at best while i fire regular or gold with good knowledge of week points and good aim doing 750 dammage.I was winning those 1v1 and my games and the happy tomatos where happy to do some dammage with minimal effort it was a win win situation

@@nikosavr2601 well id rather block with ny armor than get spammed by 2 or 3 tanks with He 300 - 400x3 is not good. Edit: that experience killed e100 for me at the time.

@@dreadcool3329 Ok get spammed by gold then

@@nikosavr2601 yeah atleast you can block it by angling he just ignores angled armor.

that s mean u are bad at the game.

Yep. If they would bring back the old HE and remove stun mechanic from game, the game would already be better. Then make lot of new maps and rework the current maps to stop the stupid corridor meta. Make other tanks relevant too again besides just heavies. Make weakspot on kran, chieftain and 279. Thats how the game would improve a lot.

@@megapet777 Agreed

@@ondrejhomola9988 No, it means people like you have a Chieftain and 279e and like to play totally op tanks hull down and then cry when a 60 TP shot you with HE to balance things out a bit.

Agreed

that does not have anything to do with the HE changes lol. that's just your HE having low pen or getting an unlucky angle. The HE changes only effected the non-penetrating hits

It's a rework. Get over it.

@@stivenstivensson4542 A rework that nerfed HE. What's your point?

@@stivenstivensson4542 i did get over it. KV-2 152mm AP. :)

@@corathus But how times you bounce off a tank with it's AP round?

@@thiccjager2436 not as much as you'd think. Pick and choose your targets, I do still keep some HE for tier VIII engagements but even then, put yourself in a support role on the second line as you're not a breakthrough heavy. And hit the weak points. Lower plate shot on a aggressive Renegade will make it think twice.

@@Jules-kp7rw I think I hit its gun mantle

I hit an amx-elc in the gun mantlet from point blank with my kv-2 for zero damage. I use the mod which shows where you or your enemies were hit. Even if that shell didn't explode it would make powder of the mantlet. Dumbest implementation of a change ever.

@@hoodlum1107 True

@@hoodlum1107 It's funny that a gun mantle that is only slightly bigger than the shell you are shooting can stop shell with no damage done to the tank!🤣

the fix was to lower the number of SPGs per match, not nerfing HE and ruining a whole line of tanks , that people took the time to research and grind

@@williamdozier5190 SPG is a unfair and wrong answer to a question that wargaming put into the game themselfs. heavy hulldown tanks with gun depression and speed and accurate guns... and they can best be harrassed by arty that is true. but if you drive a normal none op medium for example you get punished even harder if the arty focuses you. so the solution to op hulldown heavy tanks is not having a unfair mapclicking camper class that can hurl 500 to 1000dmg shells over the whole map. it is to bring back weakspots on tanks and give the tanks their HE pen back. bec you are the only constant in your game as mr qb likes to say and so you as a tanker should be equiped to deal with this situation if you decide to pack some HE some gold and some AP shells. bec you can never be certain that your arty is not sleeping or drowning or shooting at the EBR or whatever. whilst you get pummeled trying to defend the important location. to your argument of having grinded and researched a techtree and now beeing nerfed, i dont care. a chieftain or 279 player had to invest hundrets of hours in his tank, does it derserve to stay op bec of this? i had grinded my WT auf E100, do i deserve to keep it?

@@Y_KTM sure you do and I can keep my SPGs without WG destroying the line.1 SPG is not too many per match ,that was all that was needed not nerfing the HE rounds

I know right? It was basically what half the game was about for me, the wit of using HE to wear down opponents when they thought they can bait out normal shots, tracking and damaging enemies without them being able to shoot back from behind a corner, stopping a rushing enemy by tracking more reliably with HE because it always damages the track unlike the accurate shots you need for tracking by shooting the lead wheel, shooting under a tank with high armor to do a bit of damage, shooting under a tank wreck and hitting the tracks of someone hiding behind it for both track damage and some damage, lobbing shells from low alpha guns just right to cause steady wear down to op or higher tier tanks, killing two enemies that are close with one high caliber HE shot , using HE to grind through stock tanks a little more comfortably... HE was such an amazing and useful mechanic, it's a big part of what made me love the game and stick with it throughout the years, and well, it's also why I quit when it 'changed' (or rather was removed)

Exactly, just posted the same. They do this all the time. People wanted arty limited to 1 a game and the issue with high tier derps wa that you had to spam heat at their maus like armour while they simply rekt you with he. Just make the he derps themselves vulnrable to HE as well and arta limited to 1 a game and all would be perfect. Wg seems allergic to simple obvious solutions.

Treat HE as if it was actually APHE. If it pens at point of contact - you're happy. British and German post war tanks, and Italian Heavies have enough pen to be usable in most situations. Almost everybody else - only for lights, soft TDs and SPGs.

@@pirig-gal Thanks, ill try to use it like you explained when i get home from my vacation:), have a good day sir

@@Prod.ByMoonlight I'm playing the 07 RH often and it's 90mm HE can pen the sides of many heavy tanks. It's just that if you hit a hard plate you deal like 30dmg.

average 45%er complaining about chief because he can't get it.

@@flipse1088 except I'm a 52%er who doesn't play CW cause it's toxic af.

@@strategicmind2652 complaining cos you can't get it.

No no no, arty is still a pain in the arse. It's still stupid.

Stuff like caiban, type 4/5 kv2 all of them can use this to pen Hae reliably even in current build if a target is hulldown but you can still hit their roof its usually 30 mm

Nope the E100 was on the ground below. He didn't fell off the bridge. You can see a glimpse where he is at 3:59

@@jarretticeearthguard8614 okay lol

Thought the unicums paid more actually..? Which is why they listened and got over half the game to quit and shrink their payer base even more lol, and now they're trying to scrape by via selling even more op shit like BZ, battle pass, wot+...

Amen to that

They should reduce the splash damage, but they should not have decreased the chance to cause a critical damage.

@@Jules-kp7rw Dont blame arty for your bad game play

@@Jules-kp7rw are your little feelings hurt cupcake?Dont blame arty for piss poor game play,everyone has to deal with it ,it isn’t directed strictly at you

except that even with the nerf I love to dump he rounds into a torn.....the paper thin armor on the top is so gratifying with HE lol

They were op like arty still is

I’m not sure if they ever will they did that to satisfy the hull down gods and leave the guys that just wanna have fun with the kv2 or vk28.01-105 or o-I in the dust unless the whole player base pushes them to do so

HE rework is one of the best things WG did in a while.

Na the HE changes were one of the best things WG has done so far.

@@danieln2448 Arty is not op, just annoying with the stun.

Why?

@@juanzulu1318 A lot of the missions have to do with damage, most arties shoot HE so with significant reduction in damage makes the missions harder

@@azteamr0per ok I see. Well, I wouldnt call the damage reduction as dramatic. In my opinion the arty changes havent changed much.

That's the dumbest thing to do ever