He WHAT?! -The “Real” Tiber Septim - The Elder Scrolls Lore by Double Negative - Reaction 

Speaking of the Numidium, Talos the divine was never mentioned until Morrowind, which occurs after it was activated in Daggerfall. This would imply that up until that point, Talos the divine never existed, but then always existed. Talos was the cause of and a result of the Dragonbreak.

That isn't how Dragon Breaks work. A Dragon Break is where the timeline splits apart, and then those branching timelines merge back together with all contradictions existing at once. An example is Mannimarco - during the Warp in the West, he ascended to godhood in one timeline and did not in another, so when the Dragon Break ended, there were two Mannimarcos - King of the Worms, as seen in Oblivion, and the Necromancer Moon that creates Black Soul Gems.

@erris5744 Except by the time of the Warp Mannimarco had already been a nigh-unstoppable lich for quite some time, while the weakling "Mannimarco" in Oblivion isn't even undead. Not all Dragon Breaks are like the Warp in the West. The Middle Dawn, the Red Moment, the activation of Numidium near Rimmen; they're all different from each other, linked only by their space/time-distorting nature.

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next time I expect you to share the lore of Vivec's Spear and all that Molag Bal business

@@d-pod_L I shall. All must bask in Muatra's magnificence!

Apparently it was written was she was alive and she was a fan of the book, even if it was rather....lewd about her life

This is also when Mannimarco ascended to divinity, marking the second or third time the elves managed it before mankind (not counting the Tribunal and Dagoth-Ur)

@@Mare_ManYes but also no, Mannimarco the First and the Harbinger achieved Deityhood after about a thousand years of preparation and to become a seldom worshipped deity no less only worshipped or mentioned by Necromancers who seek patrons who do not seek to defile them at their bloodied altar of domination. Talos the Deity created by that very dragonbreak was created from the Underking, Zurin Arctus, Lysandus, of Daggerfall but primarily and in dominance overrall is Hjalti Early Beard a Half-Breton Half-Nord who later changed their name to Talos Stormcrown then later on to Tiber Septim. Because of the Dragonbreak Talos Deityhood became True in the Present, Past, and Future. Also I don’t know of any Elves asides from Mannimarco who ascended to being True deities, the Tribrunal do not count as the Nature of their powers was that they stole power from Lorkhan’s heart as well as having to leach off of the aspects of the Daedric Tribrunal which only two of them succeeded (Vivec and Sotha Sil) Almalexia never successfully leached off of Azura, Dagoth Ur did the same via leaching off of the heart of Lorkhan and attempting some long winded form of Amaranth.

@@InquisitorXarius Syrabane and (maybe) Xarxes also achieved divinity before the King of Worms and Talos.

@@InquisitorXarius Not to mention that Mannimarco seems to have somewhat split into two beings since you fight/kill him in Oblivion and he was around to be one of the accounts interviewed when people were asked to describe the dragonbreak.

Also many rulers hated their wives but they couldn't put them into the chopping block and replace them because their marriages holds political alliances. Tiber Séptimo and Reman III are some big examples in TES.

wasn't 'The Real Barenziah' written long after her death and basically Tamriel's version of historic fanfiction about the most famous and well-loved dark elf royal?

​ @42ndguardian It was written by a close confidant of Barenziah, who herself shielded him from death by Imperial authorities after his exile from Cyrodiil. Barenziah was still alive and well in Morrowind, and we've had no word of her death yet by the time of Skyrim.

Are you sure what it written by that one horny dude that was pretty much writing his own fics ?@@Mare_Man

Yea Barenziah was 16 which for a Dunmer to become pregnant at that age is unheard of as Dunmer typically live 200-300 years so in elf terms she was barely Pre Pubescent

She could have been in her 30s and still been seen as ridiculously young.

It's more complicated than that because Dagoth Ur reawakened in 2E882 (around 14 years before Morrowind surrendered to Tiber), depriving the Tribunal from accessing the source of their powers ever since. So by the time Tiber came, the Tribunal were already on a borrowed time and exhausting their powers in a battle against the Empire would mean they'd just fall to Dagoth Ur sooner rather than later. So yeah, I would assume the Empire actually could get away with more than what they got out of the Armistice, if not for Vivec weaseling them out of that predicament.

@@rzero1262 True, but Tiber and Ysmir had no way to know about that. The Heart's existance and abilities wasnt something the Tribunal shared with everyone

@@Mobysimo I guess one could argue that, being a Shezarrine himself, Ysmir Wulfharth would sense that something was wrong with Heart, but yeah, chances are they had no idea. Still, I find it ironic that Ysmir's original plan wouldn't necessarily be a failure and the Tribunal really dodged an arrow there.

During the events of The Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind, the second Numidium, named Akulakhan, was a partial reconstruction of the first Numidium and was powered by the Heart of Lorkhan. Its construction was overseen by the maddened Dagoth Ur, whose goal was to cover the entirety of the world with his Blight, a deadly disease that he used to infect, convert, and control the citizens of Morrowind, so that all mortals might be connected to the Heart and thus be controlled by Dagoth Ur. as the player you destroy the heart but what happened to numidium is is unkown

​@@emilrasmussen1309The heart wasn't really destroyed rather banished out Of Mundus maybe even out Of time.

It was reactivated during the events of Daggerfall Reactivating the mech is the point of the main quest in fact. Afterwards, it kinda dissapeared from existence thanks to the Dragonbreak. During the events of Morrowind, the main villain Dagoth Ur tried to build a second one, but he was never able to finish it and it was probably destroyed when Red Mountain, the Volcano where it was being built, exploded during a massive eruption

It was reactivated during the daggerfall game, gained sapience and kinda just fucked off. It's now known as the brass tower and where it walks dragon breaks happen. You know just going for a walk breaking time as it goes.

Hjalti Early Beard still sounds like a nord name tho. Maybe Hjalti was just a breton because Of his mother while his father was indeed a nord.

@davidfrancisco3502 It's not unheard of for individuals to be named according to other race's traditions. Brand-Shei the Dunmer was raised in Black Marsh by Argonians and has an Argonian name

@@Mare_Man Hjalti was a Half-Nord Half-Breton, a Dovahkin, and a Shezzarine.

@@InquisitorXarius Shezarrines aren't canon. And even if they were, being Dragonborn would certainly exclude someone from being one.

The Arcturian Heresy is not a wholly reliable source.

@@Mare_ManTrue but it is far more reliable than Elven sources because the Arcturian Heresy never denies Talos’ deltyhood it merely elaborates on it in less than glorious additional detail. How do I know this? Because I read it in Skyrim.

@InquisitorXarius In what way is Talos' divinity relevant to this? We know the _Arcturian Heresy_ is false because the Underking himself states that he was Zurin Arctus.

@@Mare_Man Last time I checked the Underking is a combination of Wulfhearth, Lysandus, and Zurin Arctus Im pretty sure the Arcturian Heresy says that along with material from Daggerfall.

@@Mare_Man I said the Arcturian Heresy is relevant as it is not wholly unreliable because it understand and elaborates upon Talos’ divinity.

No.

agreed damn elves

Yes… Except the Crystal Tower, it’s the only thing on that dump worth saving. Unless the damned Hapsburg elves broke the thing already.

The fact that Tiber Septim needed an elven god-mech before even _considering_ extending his conquest to Summerset should tell you all you need to know about his capabilities in that regard.

@@Mare_ManBlame the Aldmeri dogs for existing.

Mate, abortion against the mothers will is fucked up in any reality, real or not. Abortion should be the mothers choice. And I hate the high elves, but an unborn infant hasn't had the time to be brainwashed by their barbaric society. If said child was raised by the Empire, it would be an Imperial, not a knife-ear.

​@@samuellennon1984 You hate the elves, okay, its fantasy who cares. I just hear "All knife-ears must die" all the damn time, so fine embraces all what implies which includes the children too, no exceptions. So when they skin crying Kajit children I expect there to be big smiles all around cause "beast people aren't real people." I don't think that, but a lot of you fucking do so who cares then, what's the big deal, war crimes are good times. Embraces it.