Heated Gun Debate Between Colion Noir & Co-Founder of Gun Control Organization 

Then he says he owns a Daniel defense 5.56. Hypocrite!

I love this lol

@@billgoobinhoffer4705 it’s different he has money For these people if you got enough money you can own anything

Then why does he have one?

when Rosenthal says you dont need an AR. That is why i will buy TWO Ar

I agree.

He taught me today that .223 rounds are the ones'what tumble ... hahaha.

Just like Biden

All Dems are commies bro listen to what he says

@@potterj09 yea he obviously has no idea what he’s talking about I think 223 is small honestly and military weapons are automatic weapons amazing how he can start an anti gun organization and have no idea about guns

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He is a great man! We should also support the authors, like John Lott and John Grit, who support the human right to own and carry guns. Beyond that, they support freedom itself.

Colion is always on point. John however is the epitome of his side. He obviously has no education on guns, "all the tissue damage the 223 does" ??? Sorry, go get educated before attempting to have a conversation on the topic!

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Well said!

ah yes, the american politician…

Was just about to comment this. He tried to bulldoze the conversation.

And that the latter side has faith that guns are an effective form of protection from said government

Bingo!

@@mcbean1 It worked for the people of Vietnam and Afghanistan.

@@bulrydrdan well seeing what wonderful places those are I have to really question your understanding of the word "worked"

@@mcbean1 It doesn't have to be your utopia to answer the question that gun protected themselves from said Government. See I lived in the real world for 50+ yrs and all over this world. While you have lived where? So my understanding of the real world may be differant than your understanding of a small portion of it.

Exactly.

John could not answer a single question and had to try to end-round it every time. It was never an answer, it was, "So you want..." He couldn't stop straw-manning!

As they do Verbal Judo, Mental Gymnastics...this guys are MMA of logic system, but this guy is worst than McGregor fails on his own logic.

His responses reminded me of how the guys who get caught wearing fake military uniforms react when they get called out on their inconsistencies. Grasping at straws trying to sound authoritative while having a complete lack of the fundamental knowledge required to do so. Unfortunately, as these clowns in uniform fool many people, so to will this idiot claiming to be "pro second amendment" while in the next breath saying that women should be banned from owning the most accurate and easy to aim home defense weapon (AR 15).

Fudds usually live like that.

and then show they know NOTHING about guns. You can outgun cops. So what, then they better not try and choke me to death.

And yet they seem to believe that a 223 will do more damage to a human than a 300 Winchester Magnum.. This just proves their ignorance of firearms..

“Have a black friend” lol

@@williamcash231 My black friend has a white gun, while I have a black gun. We are equal. Although my grips caught that michael jackson disease and are turning white slowly.

Or they have a .22

It’s called a gish gallop. Very common in politics and little kids.

He forgot to make points though💀

@@AnxietyAttack.Thank you for teaching me a new term.

A friend I used to talk to did this all the time about any topic. Just stopped talking to them one day.

THAT was the exact post which I just made: Dump do many arguments onto the table that your opponent cannot address them individually, and the sheer volume of arguments - irrespective of how weak they are - will hang in the air. Glad you picked up on that. That is the result of poor moderating.

Im not racist but...

No the conversation shouldn’t be over. That mindset is why you have these problems. Do you see Colion ending the conversation when he does that? No! You may make a point that resonates with them after that conversation is long done and over with and just like now, more people may here it and be able to learn from it... Stop treating your individual values as higher than mighty when it is your responsibility to have that conversation even with the worst of them.

@@xGuns0fHonorX1 I agree with you.

Agreed!!

@@xGuns0fHonorX1 we have absolutely ZERO business to do with anti-2nd amendment traitors. The most they will ever get from us, is a laid out “MOLON LABEN” and that’s it.

He really did cut him off a good 30 times but good forbid if Colion had a point to add to his stuff.

sums up not just this debate. but the entire gun debate as a whole

@@salinora0 because if you really look at their gun control suggestions closely you begin to realize that it’s all based on virtually nothing. There’s no foundation of logic and reason, just pure emotion. Even the universal background checks. It sounds reasonable on its face, until you present the registry argument and then it crumbles. John couldn’t even touch that one, and refused to answer how that would work without a registry. Because it CANT work without one. Gun control is basically the same as the big pharma approach: find a magic pill and sell it to everyone like they’re all dumb tards. You can’t solve a complex, vast problem with a cute little “cure all” method. It just doesn’t work that way. The root cause is not guns, and those measures would only work if the root cause were guns. There are several root causes here and I don’t think guns are part of that. They may be a cause but not at the root.

Colion said it best in his foreword, that he's nothing more than an anti-gun or gun control shill, regardless of how many or what firearms he owns.

The left ALWAYS contradicts themselves. I'm sure he also thinks a toddler isn't a full person either. They're literally all a walking joke.

When he described the "devastation" caused by a .223 round, and questioned the ability to consume game taken with that round, it threw his credentials/credibility as a gun owner right out the window. Owning firearms out of convenience to bolster your point, as if to say, "Hey I'm one of you guys, I got the inside scoop" is so disingenuous.

@@hmanontario In CN's comical libtard voice, "OMG, it like, turned it into venison shrapnel!!"

@@kayp.3832 what's crazy is for the most part I'm a Democrat but believe the 2A is one of the most important ammendment. I stand on both sides depending on the subject but I strongly believe that the 2A shall not be infringed

@speed6407 and or hunting

Technically it’s not a true assault rifle because it isn’t select fire, but we should stop pretending that it wouldn’t be right at home on any battlefield. The m4s dint even do full auto anyway they do burst, so how much of a difference is there really? But also, there is NOTHING wrong with civilians owning semi auto versions or what our soldiers are issued. Not a god damn thing wrong with that. That’s the point we should be pushing, not that they aren’t assault rifles or military weapons, but that they are and there’s nothing wrong with that. Just like being gay 😂

⁠@@jonosterman2878Depends on the type of m4. Also, no, by the governments definition of assault weapon, no they are not.

Nah bro, don't concede to them. Call it like it is. An armalite rifle ≠ your grandpa's hunting rifle We have a right to military assault weapons

I was thinking the exact same thing and you beat me to it lol. Yeah john is just pounding out the same anti-gun tropes we've all heard a million times. He's uninformed, out of touch and falls back on worn out defense mechanisms instead of presenting a valid argument.

How about controlling drugs in Massachusetts? Death from guns 3.4/100,000. Deaths from drugs 31.8/100,000. Check the CDC!!! He is not worried about safety, he is worried about CONTROL!!!

@@kokonanana1 very good point, and I'd bet that drugs are involved (if not the direct cause) in most of the gun deaths as well, in a myriad of ways.

Logical fallacies abound! This man John is an incredulous hypocrite.

He does it because he knows how to get rich doing it.

So the answer is… whatever he decides. Because there was no actual definition. We should ban a hammer… because you can literally make someone unidentifiable with that… or a rock… assault weapons…

@@staticivi more murders are committed with hammers/blunt objects every year than with AR-15s, so don't give them any ideas.

@@staticivi 'aye, you got a permit for that brick, son?' smh...

@@kylelloyd700 yup

The grandstanding is so bad with this guy.

I bet his gun, if he even really has one, is still in it's case locked away in closet somewhere. I wouldn't be surprised if he bought one just for the talking point.

Well realistically he isn't anti-gun he's really just against we plebs having them. I guarantee that he and his elitists buddies feel like they are much more mature and responsible than all the people arguing against them gatekeeping our Constitutionally guaranteed right to bear arms. I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that this is the kind of guy that refers to Jan 6th as "The Insurrection". So he is FAR worse than the Anti-Gun people who have been lied to so much by these gutter snakes that they are irrationally terrified of guns. They are just misguided but this SOB and all those like him are DANGEROUS.

Lol...that's priceless lol

It's straight up "I don't walk around carrying a gun I have the help carry them why don't you?"

@@QueerArmorer…what?

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If I'm at the range and an instructor says "ok now put the ammunition magazine in the handle" I'm revoking his NRA instructor badge 😂

but but... the government has nukes and so you can't use an AR-15 against it... therefore you don't need one!

You guys are crazy. He taught me so much. Im ditching .223 and using 30.06 from now on. Im gonna have so much more usable meat. These squirrels are gonna be delicious.

He likely “owns” a gun in the same way most people have only the minimum $5 in a savings account. He has a gun, unloaded, locked, in a double safe that has never been opened.

@@kemohere Cannons are legal. And don’t even need a background check. Use them instead. You can fire golf balls, beer cans, or bowling balls. For about $300-$700. Less than a Glock. And it saves time tenderizing squirrel meat.

That's the new tag line from Anti-2a. I figured if you support 2A, you wouldn't need to declare it. If you don't support 2a, you would need to say it to help disarm the other side.

it's the same logic with "christians" who start out saying "i believe in God BUTTTTT" and then go on to describe a version of god in their mind who is okay with some sins 🙄

Howdy from Texas. They aint takin anything from anyone. The second they start a door to door program the free men of America will rise up.

not to mention crimes with knives and other objects. And 60% hot home invasion because criminals don't worry about armed home owners.

Thank you.

No kidding like when they took the handguns from Australia crime went up and again when they had their BuyBacks for all long guns the home-invasion robberies increased tenfold!

I recently saw a 2018 article about a knife terrorist (Jihadist) in London... immediately the "bobbies" armed up with their AR's and patrolled the subways. They literally looked military, far more than US police. Of course, nobody was there to save the people knifed to death.

Ppl have inherited them or bought from friends i wouldnt do that today the world is too crazy

My favorite part in the whole debate was 27:05. She basically backed him into a corner.

She asked him what he thought Colion would agree with and he literally says something that Colion clearly disagreed with.

When I heard him say it, I had to rewind the video a few times, I couldn't believe it. 12:15 if anyone is interested.

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Yeah, that was a dumb fucking thing for him to say. Equating hunting ducks with being a murderer of which you don't have to get a license for.

@@cliffyknight he pretends like any AR-15 owner is going down to the sheriff's office to apply for their murder license lmao what a moron

It's a damn good thing then that Communists aren't human.

Oh that is good my friend. Hahahahahah

Yep. Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam ect. Not to mention the atomic weapon thing he's saying, would never happen because to military is going to detonate those on their own cities on their own soil.

Then he implied that the government could just drop a nuke on the American public if it decided to. Yeah, we know exactly where you stand, Statist summabich.

John doesn't know how civil war happens right in your neighborhood and not on some distant battlefield? How people who have used what ever means it took to deprive people of their constitutional civil rights are not immune from the consequences of those actions? Public employees who ignored the desires of their constituents for years and actively strived to remove constitutional guarantees by pushing illegal and unconstitutional laws that did away with due process and assuming the accused is innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. Red flag laws and laws that make secret decisions that affect the free movement of a person by putting them on a no list without due process. All these groups who have this delusion that they know whats best for other people need a large lesson in minding their own business. That lesson starts with illegal unconstitutional laws being declared null and void, and the people who voted and passed those laws need to be sued for depriving US citizens of their constitutional rights under color of authority and conspiracy to commit treason. When you set about destroying the foundational legal bedrock of a country after having taken a sacred oath to uphold and defend that same constitutional law, then you are most certainly in need of a long time out to contemplate your betrayal of your fellow citizens. Breaking big rocks into little rocks at Fort Leavenworth federal day spa and retreat sounds like a wonderful destination for these public employees who have forgotten who they work for.

@@mustangstevegt yeah the whole nuclear weapon argument is asinine because any nuclear radiation would most likely be blown up north or south and affect other countries or the federal government not to mention carpet bombing and the likes dont work against non concentrated targets and mostly destroy infrastructure in this situation which lets be honest infrastructure in the us is already poor. We'd also have to take into account the amount of defectors in the federal military there would be and how many would be willing to nuke their own home or attack civilians

Also, as was mentioned, they ain’t gonna carpet bomb their own metros 😂that’s not how all that works.

Why do we openly give access to mentally unstable people though.... I.E. the latest school shooting....

Right?! Totally detached from _reality,_ only using absurdities and trite talking points...and then also getting condescending.

I have heard the anti-gun people say this before and it leaves me flabbergasted along with the statement like "What about those of us who got no 2nd Amendment, who is going to protect us?"

lol but if they ban the guns the criminals will follow that law lol ya right its like they brained washed too common sense criminals do not follow laws

@@keithwilson9378 It will surely make it harder for psycho 18 year olds to purchase rifles...

Capitalizing on people’s loss

Too bad it was pistols used in Sandy Hook, the Ar15 was found in his car.

There is a place in Texas where you can drive AND shoot tanks.

I would have said yes, because as you so fervently brought up my government v that has tanks, b52 and nuclear bombs might try to come round me up like the nazis did to jews in Europe.

They can take my T-34 when they pry my cold dead body out of the tank.

In the 90s that guy went crazy in san Diego with a tank you can probably find the video

@@raymondruiz5188 nobody was killed or injured during this incident, except for Shawn Nelson who was driving the tank

I think what happened is that he isn’t capable of actual debate with someone who is trained in the art of arguments, and he fell back to shitty talking points that usually get him through media interviews.notice the long pauses before be starts attempting to answer some of the questions. He can’t do it. He pauses and then immediately jumps to his little talking points, again and again and again. It’s very frustrating to listen to

They often have select fire M4's too, which are arguably better, lighter, and more effective than AR-15's.

I thought that was standard and the type was personal choice Hell what happened to SWAT???

Your completely correct my friend I’m a cop and I damn sure carry an AR everyday. And you should too 👍🇺🇸

My dad carried one back in his duty days. I even got to shoot it, I can’t believe this was said

Also the AR-15 is not used by the military. "I don't want to ban guns except for the ones I don't like."

"guns for me, but not for thee". I loved how shocked he was about hunting with a .223

I love all those hyperbole because some of them are correct.

@@vitolapinta as someone who has a living relative from Vietnam, where they introduced the .223 to the military to replace the 30cal M14, he always says the same thing when we ask about how he liked the m16. “We didn’t want to replace a .30 caliber with a .22, the bullets are smaller and lighter and we thought they would just bounce off branches and would pass though people without as much damage as a .30 when we’re TRYING to kill the people trying to kill us” And the fact we use .30cal rifles for hunting all the time and he’s surprised people hunt with the SMALLER and LESS DAMAGING bullet but says nothing about semi automatic higher caliber rifles..? I just don’t understand where he gets his information from, especially thinking 5.56mm is different than .223

@@vitolapinta this guy was a total clown. He barely even knows anything about firearms. The fact that he genuinely had no idea whatsoever that a .223 caliber round is a VERY COMMON round used by hunters really showcases his lack of knowledge and ignorance.

The clown is never been a life and death situation. First of all CDC IS CORRUPT, THEY'RE KNOWN TO CORROBORATE with Criminal Fauci Bribed Patent Department to patent Fauci's coronavirus and CDC have not been totally honest about the pandemic. The system is corrupt and this guy Rosenthal is a clown.

I just came down to comment exactly this, about every cop care I see in LA has an AR in the front seat.

I was thinking this the whole debate. The gun grabber kept saying police have 17 rounds and that’s it. They all have an AR in the trunk.

Exactly. Just look up a video of police shootings and you will see most of them respond with rifles. Plus I wanna know all these states and gun shows that aren't doing background checks to buy a gun because I have never seen one.

I didn’t see your comment and wrote that I used to keep an AR-15 in my patrol car.

Yeah most Maryland counties are like that too. It's a useful tool, no reason they shouldn't keep a rifle on hand. As to rosembum's point, there is literally an entire subset of AR market known as "PATROL rifles/carbines".

Facts

this comment is underrated

True, and if someone is trying to kill me why would I limit myself on ammo? Hold on bad guy, you only have 10!? Let me unload 20 of mine. Now it's fair🤣

Hahahaha! Nice.

If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck. - John Steinbeck His arguments revolve around how many rounds police etc have which indicates some type of fairness debate.

I gave up halfway through for the same reason... only one side actually answers questions!

He spent the who time building a strawman and spiting slogans while bringing almost nothing of substance

I know, and no calls him out

Non that spoke to the topic

The way liberals and leftists are. Deflect, deflect, deflect.

And was talking in slow motion which is annoying. He probably thinks it makes him sound smart.

And after Colion explained the term assault rifle , the other guy kept calling Semi's Assault Rifles. An Assault Rifle is : Select Fire , Full Auto Capable . And you CAN Hunt with them in Many States. ( SEMI's ) .

Same way I felt.

John completely talked around most of Colin’s points. He had no answer for the national registry and for universal license.

@@gutterfalcon2912 yep..alot of people actually DO hunt with them. AR style rifles are actually fairly popular amongst hunters.

Not for a private sale

What about the Gun show operator accusation?

They include domestic violence and gang shootings in those stats for “mass” shootings

exactly. the left is full of double speak and hidden. ill never vote democrat againl.

It's because he's not trying to save lives he's trying to ban guns. Every single time I hear "I support the 2nd amendment, but..." I immediately know they actually don't. They "try" to level with us true 2nd amendment supporters. They use straw man arguments and try to use emotion to push laws it's all a face

Dude's arguments are weak af Colion strong with it

That was my favorite part of the whole thing! Perfect illustration of his inability to be reasonable.

I was pleasantly surprised by the moderators, though the standard radio format ruined the flow.

Both of the moderators were surprisingly reasonable (perhaps even pro-2A). I expected this to turn into a "The View" style crap-fest but it didn't even come close.

@@southerninterloper4107 Agree! The moderators were surprisingly reasonable and fair. I just didn't like the format of it though.

John was childish and ugly there at the end having his arm twisted to say Colion doesn't want people hurt. Money and a nice neighborhood doesn't buy class. John is in short supply of such.

that was Hilarious

Boy, should I tell him that I hunt with a .270 and .308?

He thinks that little 223 round explodes like a nuke because it's fired from a "military style" rifle.

These people somehow think that the 223 is some sort of magical round they doesn’t follow the laws of physics and causes what ever it hits to disintegrate.

Well he’s more than likely unable to place a good shoot and is probably use to tearing up a front shoulder or back strap. He is also the guy that probably doesn’t know how to ethically harvest a deer and then pays some one to process for him, just an opinion.

I just have one thing that I would like to say to John's face: "What's wrong with your incipient predilections for irrelevancy?"

That's the Canadian way of calling someone stupid.

None of these debates are worth a hill of beans.

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Cops don’t cart AR15s bahahahahahhahahaha so many cops have ARs in their cars

@@quartqwertbudisgood this comment has nothing to do with what you are talking about lol

It was John's right to arm himself. It was his mistake that he didn't. He'll probably propose some kind of intellectual disarmament bill. "How could your level of education combat government intelligence??? Why do you need to be literate."

Colion versus this guy in this debate is like Explaining astrophysics to a whino.

And warships

Lmao exactly

If the govt owns tanks - I want one - I pay for them and just might need one to defend my family - FROM THE FCKN GOVT !

Founding Fathers: Colion is considered a property, he is a slave. The abolition of slavery is unconstitutional

@@handsometall28 you didn’t have to say that…

its funny, to me, since ive started open carrying i havent had a single person get in my face (when i lived in cali people got in my face for no reason all the time) an armed society is a polite society (btw i live in az now, again and finally)

@@n3r0wolfe wow that’s weird, I’d think Cali ppl would be laid back.

@@mik4209 it depends really.. all my friends are chill, most randos are chill.. but the road rage is so baaad, assholes are everywhere... they need more weed :D

@@n3r0wolfe no THC for the, put em on strict CBD to calm their asses down.

@@mik4209 california is one of the most dangerous states to live in. In almost every way. Rampant mental health and homless people roming the streets with no legal recourse for their actions. I bought a legal A.K. in 2016 and the very next year i became a felon for owning it. So for gun owners its hell. I had a hand gun stolen from me out of my truck and was arrested for "not storing it properly" even tho it was to the t and thats why my case was dropped. The "normal" people here are so uneducated neo fascist liberals that they have voted their way to the point where it costs me $1,500 a year to register my truck with the dmv. The average californian pays $847 in state taxes a year. Dirt bikes are now illegal. You have the fear of being prosecuted for the most absurd things. But if someone literally robs you at gun point if they even get caught they will be out before you make it back home. Rad flag laws are used by the police here like its the only law they can use or enforce. I was speeding 10mph over and was pulled over. The cop said i was doing 90 in a 55 and was doing me a favor by marking it down to 85mph. I took it to trial, lost and had to pay $1,800. Why would your average californian be laid back when were being extorted by the state to the degree that we cannot leave.

Besides that, I’m moderately confident he doesn’t own the weapons he claimed to own, or ammo, which means if my suspicion is correct, he’s dishonest and just cares about pushing his agenda and is fine with lying to do so.

@@meanman6992 he clearly has no idea the size of ammo and even used the word “clip”. He thinks a .223 bullet will just make people unrecognizable if they’re shot. He knows nothing of guns. I love the part he says “it makes it harder for law abiding” then stops himself cause clearly that’s what he wants.

@@jamescordes8673 shotguns mame people way more than ANY other round could ever think of. I dont believe him when he says they had to identify victims by clothing at all with regards to 223/556. Another disingenuous issue. This ronsenthal fella is a flat out joke. I agree with you 100%

I’m from Connecticut, I bet that idiot didn’t know a single one of them

@@meanman6992 Or that he was close buds with Antonin Scalia; and that he (Scalia) said the things he claimed he said to him.

What took them so long? Many gun manufacturers and accessories manufacturers (think MagPul) began moving to gun friendly states 5-10 years ago.

Should have saved on moving costs and came up here to NH to join Ruger and Sig.

SO DID GLOCKSTORE

GLOCKSTORE LEFT CALIFORNIA TO TENNESSEE

@@asphaltannihilator157 but it's colder up there.🥶

Thats comment suprised me too

It just puts things into perspective of how out of touch with reality people like John really are

James Freeman: hold my camera

I was so confused to I was like every officer I’ve ever met has a ar-15 service rifle in the trunk of there patrol car or passenger seat

There is a department that carries a tavor in arizona

oh man, he does that throughout the debate. when he was asked to define an assault weapon he just started spouting off about dead kids.

As George Orwell pointed out, we can observe a push for all words to be dumbed-down to mean little more than being synonyms for "good" and "bad". The man clearly doesn't even know what logic is, let alone understand it to the point he can construct an argument from it.

Dud talks ab 556 and 223 like it's a 50cal lol " and do u eat the meat " like there's nothing left after shooting it with a 223 lol literally leaves the smallest hole some animals you shoot with it you can't even tell where the impact is at lol

All he does is bring in emotions.

@@mrrobott9202 I use it for hog hunting and I have to use AP rounds just to get through the hide for a clean kill shot 🤣 Also, he's so worried about the AR-15 that he doesn't even think about the AR-10 which can be built out in 308 or 6.5. Those will do more damage. Apparently, he failed math class and physics 🤭

His mask slipped when he started to say he wanted his laws to apply somewhere else that he's never been

What a joke this guy is. Talking out the side of his face.

It always puzzles me when minorities like "Rosenthal" align against their own interests. Maybe call me a warmonger, but I'd rather go out with guns blazing, than in some damn ext3rm1n4tion camp. Or did "Rosenthal" forget that part of history? Maybe he thinks the U.S. is immune to devolving into that kind of leadership. Maybe he's a fool.

And more democrats than ever before? They lost this argument years ago.

He trys to hit heart strings and play the "knee jerker" and run off emotions. He is narcissistic and manipulative, just like 99 percent of the politicians out there.

I just noticed that too.

Yes. An INDIVIDUAL right. The people who wrote the Amendment had just finished fighting a war that came to blows because their enemy tried to DISARM THEM. Why would they word their own constitution to only provide the GOVERNMENT with arms?

How did no one but three people notice that!

@@krotchlickmeugh627: I would wager that a whole lot more than three people noticed.

I’ve broken the 2nd amendment down so many times for people to understand it’s mind numbing.

BeCaUsE a TeLeViSiOn CaN LaUnCh iNfOrMaTiOn FaStEr!!!!

Cause they are private platforms?

@@jasonisfamous6544 any platform public and private must adhere to the constitution

you have to be careful making that argument because the left is looking for any reason to tear down and rewrite the constitution because it is "old" and "dated". If the left can trip you into saying things like "why does the 1st apply to TV and internet?" and you are fueling their desire to change the 1st amendment also. Just like the left tripped the right into this whole "mental health" so they can backdoor your med records (Right to Privacy) "to see if you have a history of mental health issues" and then your right to due process of needing to actually commit a crime to be held accountable for doing one. Why did the left lean into Mental health so hard? because the right didn't have enough foresight to realize the play wasn't to advocate for better mental health services (nothing has been done to remove negative perspectives of mental heath issues, and getting mental health services hasn't been made easier.) In fact, its been harder to get help and IF you do get help, you are instantly looked at as a threat to society because you may "pop off". The biggest reason for the left not just attacking gun and decoying people onto mental health? it also throws people off of the trail of the real societal problems. Studies on studies have been conducted and researched to show that 2 parent houses with a father and mother are less likely to have anxious children, less likely to have children that get into crime, more likely to graduate, more likely to be kind etc etc etc. Society is doing its best to paint men as "toxic" yet numerous studies show and support that FATHERS are where their children learn EMPATHY... let that sink in. Removing fathers from homes has removed EMPATHY, has increased mental problems, increased crime, reduced educated children and the list goes on. Why decoy to mental health? Because it removes the lefts responsibility to fix the problem they created by attacking the nuclear family AND it lines the pockets of BIG PHARMA (and politicians) by pushing drugs... It also infringes on your right to speech, right to guns, right to privacy and right to due process. To many are focused on the little picture of "but keeping guns from mentally unstable will save lives" and not realize they are advocating for removal of natural rights.

@@Ellis1993 except for the govt.

I’m from Mass & he is full of 💩 THANK GOD I HAVE HAD MY LTC ( license to carry) Class A large capacity!! Which is extremely hard to get ( for 22 yrs) mainly because my Dad owned 6 Mobil gas stations & then I got into security!! We actually have to write a letter to the City’s Chief of Police why we want a class A which is the concealed carry Lic, The B is for Target & Hunting & Cannot carry SMH

He also has 100% incorrect understanding of firearms. How can you advocate for legislation about something you understand so poorly?

@@lcrowe2011 to be fair most of the anti LGBT legislation is due to ignorance. So it's par for the course.

I can't hardy sit through this. The anti 2nd guy just talks and talks without letting the other guy speak.

The anti 2nd guy talks & talks contradicting himself. His definition of an assault riffle is just emotional blubbering and no one calls him on his sh^t. The pro 2nd guy isn't doing a good job at all . Make the anti 2nd amendment guy answer & don't move on until he does. The anti 2nd guys getting away with nonsense

Being from MA myself I know he is lying or just ignorant to the actual reality of the statistics. In this podcast discussion the hosts even pull up actual statistics that he continues to ignore. MA isn't the "safest" state (commonwealth) in the union of the USA. Hell its far from it. Fall River, MA was in the top 5 of the worst cities across the USA at one point (can no longer find that article)

@@HazardousT1 I live in southern NH. We all know that Mass. is far from as safe as that guy makes it out to be. NH has zero restrictions on the type of rifle you can buy and is a constitutional carry state, yet we have almost no gun crime. That being the case, I would like Mr. Rosenthal to explain why guns are the reason for violent crime

Not trying to bust your bubble but Massachusetts by population is the 16th largest State in the country, not to mention our 3rd most wealthiest State so land size means nothing. But his words are still garbage!!

@@HazardousT1 Fall River haha!! Try New Bedford they literally shot up a cops house and the chief covered it up..

@@jasonwhitlock179 that entire section of Bristol County is absolutely garbage. I only referenced Fall River because it was in a legit census/official top ten worst cities in the USA before every news outlet decided to make their own top 10 worst cities based on their own beliefs.

Colion only makes sense for gun nuts, not educated and open-minded people.

He was on joe Rogan lol

I have nothing against the second amendment: I just want my son to be safe at school.

@@BrowncoatGofAZ we need to root out the bad apples in society. We know who they are, they stick out like sore thumbs. Its just a matter of how dedicated we are to investigate and prosecute.

I disagree he wasnt even able to put his arguement in the oven yet

I agree. This is the first time I’ve seen unbiased moderators in YEARS.

I actually think they were a little too much on the side of Colion. It was pretty good overall tho.

@@sdr224 well they are humans with functioning brains capable of hearing colions points and understanding them - also they had a bit of study done of who colion is and what he stands for, especially seeing how this debate unraveled and watching many unravel in the same manner before, it would be difficult for a sane person not to take his side.

yea

​@@triplesixphonk3502 The point of moderators are to be unbias but these moderators (at least the guy) showed some bias more towards Colion's side. That said, despite their bias, Rosenthal's arguments were super weak and more rooted in emotion -- where as Colion was more reasonable. But then again, i'm also bias toward Colion's side.

That was very weird to me too.. The conversation was smooth and going well, plenty of common ground found then there was a cut in the audio. Now all of a sudden this dude was incredibly heated for whatever reason? I don't agree with the guy's stance on guns but that's sus asf

They are not logical nor fact based people, and allow their emotions to rule their mind, so no surprises there.

Notice how emotional certain types get in normal discussions once their arguments fall flat

He sounds like a guy just spouting random things that his echo chamber normally agrees with

He's the type to hire armed guards and at the same time take arms from people that can't afford to do that.

The other one that irritates me..... I'm a lifetime member of the NRA but..... anything after that sounds like gibberish.

everything said before the word 'but' doenst mean anything

"No offense...... BUT"

or they talk about hunting or constantly saying that the AR-15 is a military weapon when people start with that there argument is done because they do not know what they are talking about

How can YOU compare a civilian AR-15 to the Vegas shooting senerio? Talk, TALK .TALK. MAKES NO SENSE !

Don't underestimate stupid people. He came away strutting thinking that he convinced every listener that he a genius.

To be honest... most people who debate on the side of 2a are actually way better informed than those on the anti-2a side. Not just because they support guns... but they can actually form arguments on the fly backed by facts with proper terminology. The other side regurgitates talking points with poor or flat out false information and an inability to understand the terminology they use.

The way I came to a pro 2A argument was when I had kids 2 years ago during the “pandemic” It was immediately clear my job is to keep them safe and it won’t take much disruption for the police to focus on protecting their own families as they should. So, I must protect them, and with my neighbors and our community we can keep eachother safe. And boom, you get to we need to be able to have guns and be able to form groups to protect our families. We always have and always will. We have far too much faith in our government.

​@chedderburg 100% spot on. Even if our government was the best government ever and we had zero issue with our government, police RESPOND to crimes, not prevent crimes. If something happens, you're on your own. Nobody is coming to save you, not cops, not military, not neighbors, nobody.

Is there ANY 2A advocates that DON’T know what they are talking about?

Yeah they want democrats to have arms not us

I bet his stuff is covered in corrosion and cobwebs.

If he's a such "proud gun owner" why is he advocating to ban guns for law abiding Americans while owning the very same guns he supports banning? This guy is very hypocritical and full of it. Another case of rules apply to thee but not for me.

He should lead by example and hand his in first

@Sub if you are against Antifa and BLM While him and the dog watches 😂

I'll take a deer shot with a .223 over a .300 WinMag any day. This Rosenthal idiot has no clue what a high power rifle is.

No my .300win mag🤣

They don't know anything about guns. For someone who hunts he doesn't have any knowledge about the topic. Consistent with most anti gunners.

@@TateAnakov true...my favorite is when they something like, and I heard this from a "journalist" on a news report : "there is no need for a fully semi automatic". Yeah. They actually said that. That's like advertising a bottle of water as "dehydrated water".

@@kevinashley478 had a conversation with a coworker and i told him to carry a firearm to protect himself because he's scared he'll be targeted because he's gay. He told me that he'd rather die than kill someone. Well damn man..I didn't know where to go from there. He doesn't want to die but doesn't want the means to protect himself.

Exactly

John is a batch file. He double clicks on himself because he doesn't have a brain.

Negative. Juice program NPCs. These are the creators, unfortunately.

Yeah, that made me physically pause when he said that.

Nono, it is important that when four people come to kill you and do unspeakable things to the women in your house, you only kill a maximum of three of them. After all we have to be careful the population of criminals will not be endangered. Also make sure it's criminal hunting season or you'll get a fine...

I laughed internally when he said that "You can have large magazines to hunt people!!" and I'm like... hunting people isn't legal though lmao

John understand the power of words. This is the same reason he calls his org “stop handgun violence”.

Yeah, what an insane statement. This John guy is an idiot. What I thought when said that was 'it's kind of already illegal to do that buddy'....

I guarentee that every State Trooper that has a squad car has an AR-15

….and when he couldn’t figure out how someone could eat meat from an animal harvested with a .223…. He exposed himself as an ignoramus

Hard to believe that this guy still thinks that almost every police cruiser only has a 13 round 9 mm. He lost me at that. Then goes on to say that he owns an AR. But thinks nobody else has the right to own one if he doesn't approve of it. And how he doesn't want to infringe on the 2nd amendment. But then goes on to say anyone should be able to infringe on just that. Typical double talk from people like them. Who starts out by saying I believe in the second amendment.

@@jeffschroetlin3644 I agree. If I can eat a deer with a "military style" .308 Battle rifle, or even better, my old .45-70 govt. Henry, why can't I eat a deer I shoot with a .223/5.56 rifle?

@@rileyvance1001 I live in Maine, and every patrol cruiser has at least one patrol rifle, usually in 5.56. Some sheriff cruisers have AR-10 style rifles chambered in .308 too! Because Moose and Bear. (Though admittedly an AR-15 in 5.56 would kill anything here in the state with a well placed shot or enough rounds fired.)

So… I just got to the “cops don’t carry AR-15s” part. Literally every department in my area has an AR-15 in the cruiser with the officer. It’s in a locked gun rack that can be unlocked via one button press. Try again.

@@zacharybryant3865 yep. Wait till you get to the idiocy of the .223 round obliterating deer to make them unharvestable.

@@zacharybryant3865 Not only that but my buddy who had his service AR-15 also has one that he's put thousand into which is used for competitive shooting, because aside from being just a cop and swat team member at the time, he was also very interested in competitive shooting as well. I'm not even a great shot, and I went to the range with him and hit a chestplate target 2 out of 3 times prone from 150 yards with ease. I was shocked with the ease of use and lack of recoil especially being told how these are scary weapons of war. My only shooting experience has been shotgun hunting doves with my dad years ago and some albeit limited handgun practice and range work. But even with that limited amount of experience it makes it easy to see how ridiculous many of the gun rights arguments are on their face. They really rely mainly on emotional appeals to people who have never fired a handgun or rifle.

@@warrenginn8448 if I was there, I would have said "you realize that .223 is illegal to hunt deer with in some states because they believe it doesn't do ENOUGH damage, right? It was designed for predator hunting, like foxes and coyotes." Then I would have proceeded to ask him what caliber he hunts with and then said "it does less tissue damage than that"

@@TheCoolwhipped indeed. John is a typical anti gun leftist. He knows nothing about guns or hunting or ballistics or physics for that matter. But claims to have the motal.high ground so hes always right. Hes an ass 🤡

That was one of many mask-off moments for John Rosenthal. He views the 2A as a privilege and wants to limit the gun-owning population as much as possible. He is too focused on tragic stories of people dying, and not considering the ramifications of limiting people's ability to defend themselves. The calls for more regulation after a mass shooting will never stop. The 2A community needs to stop ceding ground in an attempt to appease the emotions of grieving parents and victims. The more people have direct experience with guns and gun ownership, the less these BS emotional arguments work on people. The most effective solution is to encourage eligible citizens in our sphere of influence to own guns. Take them shooting with you. Educate them on Gun topics when it pops up in conversation. Take them hunting with you, if you're into that. Demystify the concept of normal, everyday people owning "assault weapons".

I love how he says it with confidence too.. he says "where's the logic." I'm thinking, where's the logic with that statement.😂😂 I'm very surprised colion didn't call him out on that stupidity..

@@mattseifert8061 he would have been accused of "interrupting". You've got to pick your battles in timed debates. If you address every single point of disagreement, it quickly turns into a "nuh uh - yuh huh" type of exchange.

@@onpoint2292 you're right. It would have been very satisfying though. That dude literally said when he hunts humans he's not limited at all.. but in his mind, the correlation of hunting humans is illegal, therefore no new law is going to prevent someone from doing something horrible, somehow didn't connect in his head.. I'm almost lost for words I can't even wrap my head around something that stupid.

@@mattseifert8061 it would be a distraction; like focussing on someone taking a pawn in chess rather than focusing on protecting the king. But great point on the appeal to logic.

Someone I know actually just told me that all firearms are assault weapons, just by the nature of what they are. Firearms are a tool meant to kill, whether for hunting or self defense or war, etc.

@@cfrost87 firearms are tools meant for killing. Certain guns have different purposes better suited for them such as long range shooting or duck hunting.

I think it was one of tho hosts who asked john that question

As they all do.

Funny how he said 223 is made to kill people, wait until he finds out...

That's because criminals know your more limited and a easier target.

@@peachdaddy Exactly, so that even is more evidence that there shouldn't be strick gun control like in those states.

Detroit, New York City have very strict gun laws. Somebdy should let the criminals know because there are plenty of shootings.

Yes just look at Chicago!

Plus background checks are federal requirement for licensed dealers, so that's a moot argument in the first place.

I know how you feel! I can WRITE my arguments, but trying to speak them is a totally different thing.

He's Jewish, they are all like this. 95% of them vote hard left, and the majority of them lobby for gun control.

I feel you bro. Keep your passion and one day you’ll find your voice.

Colion provided educational information to make a rational decision - it's known as debate to educate - - - not to win. I thought Colion explained the 2A very well - the purpose behind it. Not that the US military would carpet bomb or whatever - but they will eventually come door to door along with the police. And the people need to be armed with the same type of weapons.. not crew-served, but individual weapons (which are the AR-15's and pistols). Regardless of the lack of knowledge Rosenthal has, or cares to obtain from this debate, or any other for that matter - he has no argument for the sole purpose of the 2A and how each little chipping away (infringement) of rights of the people. They politicians forget, the 14A gives equal treatment - if their security can have AR-15's and other types of weapons, then the people can too. If LEOs can purchase certain items, then so can the people - - 14th Amendment covers a lot for equal rights. There was a purpose of the "defund the police" and there was a purpose of changing standards in the military - both tossing morals out the window. There are very few who are being recruited, so they've lowered standards according to the DEI framework.

Yea john has no idea cops have same ar15 I do same round count I do. John has no idea what he talking about dude needs a learning course in guns.

I love how hes so stupid he doesnt even know what a .223 is!!! A fucking 22 bullet!!!! He hunts with a .308 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

Yep, he was asked what his definition of a assault rifle was, just talked about the death of children and went overboard describing the tissue damage.

@@teddy5004 you think will have a stroke when he learns 50bmg is a thing? Lol

He also has never been in agun shop where all these weapons of mass destruction are available for purchase by cops but cannot be used at work...who do you think sells the "hi cap" magazines and stuff on the street.

Yes I agree Intelligence is not a threat however ignorance is.

His replies routinely disappoint me. They aren’t forceful enough, and there are always better points and rebuttals that could be made that I’m sitting here yelling at my phone for him to make, in vain.

Yes sir! Thank God for this man

People like this John guy .... SMH. Toolbag

Moron comes to mind

You can buy a gun from a homeless person in a sec. Does John not know that?

This guy straight did the matrix to dodge all those questions

@@TzUuup when they asked him to define an 'assault weapon', and he just starts going off with "wHeN mY FrIEndS HaD t0 PicK tHrOUgH tHeiR DeAd ChIDreNS ClOthES t0 IdENtiFy tHe B0dY" That took the damn cake. Nothing tells people how devoid of a valid argument you are like standing on the graves of dead children and using their corpse as a shield from criticism.

all gun laws are unconstitutional.. including the "laws" i actually like

" ...and you eat that meat? After it's received a .223 round? After it's been destroyed?" xD dudes a total fuckwit

@@jamesbowling9293 So you don't know what you are talking about either. Thanks for showing who you are.

@@richwilson7619 - he was quoting Rosenthal. You need to pay better attention.

@@richwilson7619 the fact you can't even comprehend the fact that he quoted the guy in this debate shows who you are.

@@treyriggs2217 So who am I? That is exactly why you don't say things that are confusing or that can be used to confuse.

Our military took an oath to protect America against foreign and DOMESTIC enemies. It would only take a couple of generals to side with The People to turn things around real quick.

My thought exactly.

Well to be fair they got their ass kicked. They were able to inflict plenty of carnage. But they cannot win a straight up fight against the US Military.

Epic

So did the koreans and vietnamese, if the can do it we can too

" I own an AR style rifle... BUT I don't want people beneath me, to own an AR style rifle. " - Liberal elite mentality

John seems to have bought into the Liberal elite "truth" about guns. So sad

I heavily lean left, the only thing keeping me from being full blown "leftist" is that I do not completely reject capitalism. I'm also just about as rabidly pro 2A as it gets. In fact one of the literal requirements to be leftist is to be rabidly pro 2A. Straight from the mouth of the OG leftist, "Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary." ~ Karl Marx It is not the "left" or even "liberals" who want to restrict 2A rights. Furthermore, in the world political spectrum Democrats are actually not left in any sense. They are actually more center right, whereas Republicans are varying shades of far right. In the U.S. there really is no large scale representation of true "left." Those who would restrict 2A rights are actually simply authoritarian.

I bet he hunts with a musket lol

@@mikeycrabtree123 I don’t know about you, but every liberal I have ever seen in my entire life has been anti 2a.

Then he tried to say that a person wouldn’t eat the meat shot with a .223. This guy is a clown 🤡. Or any meat that was shot with a bullet.

@@justjackfromsc John was in way over his head. That will be the last time he agrees to a debate with Colion.

Amen to that.

I'm a gun owner and not a hunter. I carry a gun because it's lighter than carrying a cop. Police carry a gun to protect themselves not you. Police wear body armor to protect themselves.

The fake left perhaps.

Yeah I thought that private dealers part was pretty funny. Especially since Colion had *just* described how that was false. Private *individuals* don't have to run checks, but ANY licensed dealer does background checks.

@Bob Watters I'd have to agree with you there. Colion often fails to see the tiny details like that. I personally stopped following him regularly when I heard him say in a video that "You should fear a Biden presidency" in my opinion, you shouldn't spread fear on your platform. It's really more of a problem with his rhetoric than position. Though I understand and mostly agree with where he's coming from, he doesn't seem to understand the nuances of how an argument effect the viewer and how much ground he actually gives to the opponent. Exit: All in all though, I still think Colion came out alright. I can't name a single time he used an emotionally based argument, which his opponent did multiple times.

A 223 is like the third lowest caliber to hunt deer with in mn…. Ruins the meat? Anyone seen what a 300 win mag does at 100 yards? These ‘experts’ are starting to sound pretty damn fishy. Even an .06 can make a hell of a mess….

If .223 destroys the meat then what do 30-06 do? 308? Or much larger calibers that are commonly used?

Agreed: CN **should** make a video addressing the anti-Constitutional gun-grabber's many rhetorical tricks and outright lies. Do it, point-by-point. Necessary, since the gun-control guy kept talking over Colin before he could finish any points, especially in the latter parts of the debate.

Because the truth is they want all guns gone. And without admitting that, none of their logic holds up.

There really is no debate. Colion hit the nail on the head with every point. Every gun debate the anti gun fruits use the exact same arguments.

He 100% lives in a gated community

He's using the same arguments from the early 90s !

@@cut-- yep, and a bunch of borrowed quote bits from more recently, like Feinstein's ( I think was her) no mag capacity limit for hunting humans one, and the nukes comment.

He has no idea how fragile the USA is.

*laughs in rice farmer*

Let's ask any Vietnam veteran how well a civilian population can fight an established military.

Ask the 60-70% Right Wing Enlisted military if any tanks, planes, or boats would move against US citizens without some unfortunate mechanical failures.

@@kerbalairforce8802 🤔

I was left a little dumbfounded by that question

.223 is on the low end of acceptable for hunting small deer, and out of the question for larger game than that. Wait 'til this guy finds out about the .308.

TWO-TWENTLY-THREE ROUNDS?!

That whole exchange was hilarious. John about to slap his assistant that told him you cant hunt with .223.

@@Shorn_ a lot of states require a minimum of a .243 to shoot deer. .270, .308 & 30-30 are the most common rounds for medium sized game in the United States. I'd love to see this guy's reaction to a ballistics gell video. Showing what larger hunting rounds can do to you. 7mm, 300win mag. 45-70... He would faint 😆

What are you talking about?!?’ I’m INCREDIBLY pro-gun, and like Colion, but he got his ass handed to him in this debate. Edit: at least in the first half. I should have waited until the end because he’s doing better. I’m halfway through and Colion is failing.

@@alphazuluz dude John was so off point, topic changing and dodging questions. I don't even think Colion needed to be present to win the debate. Are you high??

@@762x69 no I’m not. John would make 5-6 points, that were lies and BS, but colion would come back and debunk only ONE! Colion could have easily gone point by point destroying each of those points, but I guess he forgot them or something. It happened multiple times. Go look at 11:00-13:00 again. You’re telling me a person on the fence that knows little about guns isn’t going to be swayed by hearing John make six arguments and Colion only refute one? I always want Colion to win, but he does a bad job in these debates. Ok, he doesn’t do a BAD job, but he does an average job. He could be so much better.

@@alphazuluz dude if you're so invested, Get your butt in there and do that work. No need to be a keyboard bandit. I look forward to seeing your videos debating and doing better 👍🏽

@@762x69 what a BS argument. HE, Colion, is our voice. It would take me YEARS to get the platform he has. It’s ok to expect him to do better. Is it not fair to criticize him? I think my critiques are incredibly fair. I think he was being lazy and let the gun community down. Here’s the best example I can give you, and it should be something that we can BOTH agree with. Colion knew who he was debating. This guy has a record and hours of video out there. Why didn’t Colion watch some of his videos and see what he normally argued? You know how I know Colion didn’t do that? Because had he done just 30 minutes of research to prepare, he would have seen that this guy is from MA, and he would have looked up the gun violence stats in MA. Then, when John brought out this absolute LIE that MA has lower gun death stats than all the pro-gun states, Colion could have easily and quickly said, “John, what you just said was at best misleading, and at worst a lie. You have FAR more gun crime in MA than the states you listed, it’s just centralized in Boston. You’re using the state as a whole to lower your stats” or something to that effect. But instead, Colion never even offered a retort to his BS stats. So, anyone new to guns that hears this is going to think, “this Colion guy has some interesting arguments, but John said that his plan has seriously reduced gun deaths, and that’s the most important thing. So, I guess he’s right here.” It is 100% fair to criticize someone that is out there speaking for us. If we don’t criticize them for lazy performances, then they will just continue to have lazy performances. I stand by my assertion that Colion should have already known every argument this guy was going to bring to the table, he should have had all the Massachusetts stats in front of him, and he should have had a pen and paper to write down every point this guy made so he could refute every one. Instead, Colion never even addresses most of John’s points. Colion DID refute every point that he addressed, but he left many on the table unaddressed, and I would argue the points Colion engaged with were the less important issues to someone just getting into guns. For instance, In my opinion, Colion spent most of his time arguing two points: that the second amendment is about securing the right of the people to have arms to prevent tyranny, and pushing back on universal background checks/a registry. While those are worthy points, they are more esoteric points that don’t really become part of your ideals until you’re pretty deep in the gun world. The people just getting into guns think that universal background checks are a no-brainer, and that it’s absurd to even think of fighting the government. The issues that really matter to new gun owners, or people on the fence are: do guns make my area safer or not, should we ban AR-15s, does anyone need an AR-15, how do we stop gun violence. And those issues were the exact ones that Colion failed to address when John brought them up. Look, you can idolize Colion if you want, and think he’s above criticism, but I’m not going to. If he fails, I’m gonna tell him.

That's right Todd!! And where ever it starts a "COMBATANT IS A COMBATANT"!! I'm spreading your words man!! Stay cool brother!!

Tyrannical governments do play by rules... The rules they make as they go to fit the actions they want to take. This is what makes them tryannical

My response would’ve been “. . . I’m sorry can you tell me within what time period you did not?”

Lol yes if someone wants to kill themselves they will if they can't get a firearm people jump off of buildings and other things if someone wants to die they will find away

Darn, I really want to kill myself, but they won't let me get a gun, if only there was a way to deliver a high amount of force to my head, neck, or body, through either the sudden application or removal of inertia. Or could convince a group of people who are dedicated to carrying firearms in order to deter crime to attack me, preferably by attacking first, or tricking them into thinking they have to attack me God, if only there were dozens of ways to do this, but buying a gun is the only possible way I could think of

No I do not believe that

It sounded like he was trying to but his audio kept getting cut when he did.

@@kalebpiper8107 yeah, I heard him trying to talk in the background. They also kept going to a “break” when Colion was making good points…. “So our government would nuke its people”…. “Time for a break”. 🙄

I don't think he needed to, the hosts seemed to shut him down every time he acted that way.

They kept cutting him off everytime he was making a rebuttal. That’s bs! Wont allow a person to speak their behalf.

Idk man Colion clearly had some back up!

I'd like to know John's opinion on Israeli citizens having the right to bare arms.

I'm surprised how low IQ the arguments are for gun control from this guy. He's been working for gun control for decades, and this is all he has? I'm happy to see Colion call him out on saying people can out-gun the police but also people can't fight against tyranny.

Yep. That is maddening. He's not a sincere person.

That is the way typical Liberals do it. A conservative veterinarian could debate a liberal convenience store clerk on the gestation period of a bunny rabbit and the vet would always be wrong because a Libs opinion trumps a professionals knowledge.