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Heavy Shaping Action 

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Getting in some more heavy shaping, testing different tool grades and tool grinds to compare results between cuts. The material I used is a 10" block of mild steel. I'm also testing the use of the Noga Mini cool on the shaper.
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@forrestaddy9644
@forrestaddy9644 4 года назад
Back in the day (wails of anticipated horror!) we used a tool very much like the second negative/positive grind you had on the 1" Mo-Max. It was very effective on brass, soft and cast bronze, aluminum, and lower strength steels like MIL-S-871B (Navy) steel plate. Hot rolled steel plate, rounds, and shapes (A36) commonly found in steel yard racks are a stronger. The acute edge angle might be a bit fragile in your application. I suggest you break your tool's keen edge to a 0.005" champher to strengthen it against crumbling. If I recall correctly, the shaper tool grind we used back before dinosaurs rode skateboards (that was the actual extinction event: Chixilube is a myth of convenience) was 7 degrees side clearance, 10 end clearance, -15 degrees edge rake, 40 degrees top rake, and 0.40 nose radius, edge honed to a bright line champher..
@andersjjensen
@andersjjensen 4 года назад
Upvote this guy! Adam needs to see!
@richardpalmer6196
@richardpalmer6196 4 года назад
Adam, There is something almost meditative watching the first 4- 5 minutes. This behemoth of a machine ,taking these delicate cuts off a chunk of steel like it was modeling clay . The same satisfaction a fine furniture maker gets from that last shave with a plane that makes the joint vanish . Stay healthy brother , already waiting on your next post .
@buildmor
@buildmor 4 года назад
The groan of metal being sheared, and the “tock” of the clapper box...ASMR! 💆‍♂️⚙️🧠❤️
@darkxxhimxxlight
@darkxxhimxxlight 4 года назад
Especially in SLO-MO. They sound like manly wind chimes at the end. *(Does Tim Allen grunts)*
@bosox2318
@bosox2318 4 года назад
"let's see how big we can go on this shaper" = Best Quarantine-Era activity/video I've seen thus far. The acoustics on that slow-mo drop is like bells ringing
@lylestatzer7112
@lylestatzer7112 4 года назад
That is impressive, I am a former truck driver, and found your channel while recovering from a leg amputation. I really like listening to all your explanations and most of all how easy you are at moving and setting things down. If I could ever afford to send you a post to my prosthetic I would love to have you turn a design into what is exposed. It's a titanium piece. I might suggest a set of screens to set up around the shape. It will offer you the ability to move around the machine without that big box to work around and lift up. Yeah you still have to sweep the floor but unrestricted movement and lightweight frames with screen material of some sort seems to be the answer. Good show for tig welding 45's at the corners
@davidsaylors
@davidsaylors 4 года назад
There is something oddly satisfying about watching a shaper run. Thank you for taking us along! 👊😉📸
@ItchiusScrotus
@ItchiusScrotus 4 года назад
The sound of the tool holder clapping back down before the next cut is so soothing
@shujunzhang8027
@shujunzhang8027 4 года назад
That's very nice video for me. I am from China and I have many old machines for crankshaft produce. Now I am selling CNC machines and sometime I feel the old machine is garbage,but now I feel that I got some golds! Thank you.
@leebarnhart831
@leebarnhart831 4 года назад
Heavy shaper cuts are really a controlled tool crash. I love it! I could watch a shaper or planer cut for hours. First machinist job I ever had was running a 30’ planer marching press brake and shear tool platens. That was 45 years ago and I’ve missed it ever since.
@leebarnhart831
@leebarnhart831 Год назад
Watching a shaper work is like watching a fire or bug zapper. You can't hardly take your eyes off it. I have a small 7 " shaper and always think I'm going to get it cutting on a job while I run the mill or lathe but always end up watching the shaper cutting chips. I love them.
@mvrshen_-7641
@mvrshen_-7641 4 года назад
I'm not the only one that thinks this is beautyful right?
@edp9743
@edp9743 4 года назад
High school metal shop, I learned skills on machines like these, Logan shaper, Atlas lathes,milling machines stick welding... they sold off all the equipment put computer stations in . Skilled tradesman, machinists ,fabricators,welders are in demand now. Those that can work with their hands will never lack for a job. Thanks for educating .
@necko2529
@necko2529 4 года назад
Yup, no need for introduction, straight to the good stuff!! Thanks for sharing, Adam.
@bevo335
@bevo335 4 года назад
It's interesting to see how much the chips are compressed. I.e. 10" block, but the chip looks to be about 3-4" long.
@stevieray667
@stevieray667 2 года назад
Yah i was wondering why does this happen?
@BrooklynBalla
@BrooklynBalla Год назад
@@stevieray667 I think it’s because the metal gets compressed as it’s being cut away.
@Tagawichin
@Tagawichin 4 года назад
Thank you for showing how to grind single bit tools. I set up a fly cutter for the first time last month. After several trips back to the grinder, I was able to get a beautiful glassy smooth cut. I would never have thought a single hand ground bit would preform so well. I like that you show us what dosen't work and how to adjust the geometry to improve the performance.
@dudestuff3352
@dudestuff3352 4 года назад
This is the Abom79 version of whittling. Can't go anywhere, can't do anything, I know, let's whittle. It's hypnotic, somewhat cathartic and fits perfectly with our current situation. Thanks Dr. Booth. :)
@auerx9596
@auerx9596 4 года назад
Robot toe nail clippings all over the floor
@robertsternlieb5532
@robertsternlieb5532 4 года назад
HI Adam, regarding the damage to the tool, please take a look at the video starting at approx 18:27. My (extraordinarily uninformed/uneducated) supposition is that the tool is being damaged on the backstroke as it rubs against the workpiece. When the tool returns on the backstroke it is rubbing on the workpiece. When the next forward stroke happens you can see that the tool is leaving a wavy/imperfect cut (a horizontal line) in the same section of the tool where the tool was rubbing against the workpiece on the backstroke.
@erneststorch9844
@erneststorch9844 4 года назад
When the included angle of the clearance and rake angles become too small it creates two problems. It weakens the cutting edge and is more prone to chip. Second,it doesn't disperse heat away from cutting edge as well and is more prone to burn. Keep the shear it cuts smoother with less chatter. A wide or long cut can bang when it enters the work . I am a tool & cutter grinder by trade .
@petemulhearn7787
@petemulhearn7787 4 года назад
Your close up shots of working machinery are so good I have to wear safety glasses while watching! 🤓
@phillipyannone3195
@phillipyannone3195 4 года назад
What a beast! Maybe you could make a wind chime from the chips
@ericar1001
@ericar1001 Год назад
This brings back memories of a "production" shaper I ran at Caterpillar back in the 80's. That machine had two tool heads, a left and right, and a 15' table would move back and forth under the tool heads. The table was magnetic and would hold two bars at a time, one for each head. It typically shaped the width of long bars. Those chips would easily burn into the bottom of your work shoes!
@jeffcanyafixiy
@jeffcanyafixiy 4 года назад
That shaper is AWESOME. I'm just a Maintenance Tech who has a great appreciation for these older machines. The forces exerted, how these machines have held up. Just really cool to see um still being used. THANKS 👍👍🇺🇸
@RustyDockLight
@RustyDockLight 4 года назад
Is it just me or are the shots with the camera moving with the shaper the most soothing thing ever?
@thebmac
@thebmac 4 года назад
March 29th, 2020 - Florida man injured from rolling his ankle on what he calls "some chips"
@ccameron9398
@ccameron9398 4 года назад
Interesting how the chip gets compressed. It's not as long as the stroke of the cut.
@forrestaddy9644
@forrestaddy9644 4 года назад
Yup. That's how chip formation works. When a cutting edge is forced through ductile metals a chip of deformed metal is produced curling off the tool as it follow the feed path. Imagine a coin stack toppled into an overlapping row representing the undisturbed metal to be cut by the passing tool before its deformed into a chip. As the tool passes, the metal shears along descrete planes that slip and realign our metaphorical row of overlapping coins into a stack. Apply a strip of tape up one side of the stack to represent the shiny side of the chip where weakly fused metal holds the slip planes together. The overlapping row of coins is rearranged into a shorter thicker stack and our metaphor is complete.
@larryrestainer9949
@larryrestainer9949 4 года назад
I started out in machine in the early 60 s,while in hs we went to voc machine shop half days where we would shave v-8 flateheads, to not only to flatten but to up compression,on a shaper, then after a stint in their Navy came home to a tool and die apprenticship,where we used 2 shapers to rough out steels,later we used a planer for bigger jobs, later we acquired a planer mill with 3 heads. What a change in type of work and chip removal. Now retired after 43 years in thei shops,working for 4 different employers, great career, you do great practical videos keep up,goodwork
@mikemraz8569
@mikemraz8569 4 года назад
In the “50” & “60” “s” my dad planed lathes he machined a hydraulic cylinder in the clapper box that lifted the tool on the back stroke, and was able to get a mirror finish on the ways. My brother runs the shop now he put a Bridgeport head on it and cuts keyways in heavy shafts.
@Sugarkraft
@Sugarkraft 4 года назад
The Shaper is back. I missed my little buddy. 😂👍👍
@timothyeparsons
@timothyeparsons 4 года назад
Oh good, new episodes of The Shaper Channel, er, I mean Abom79! Fun to see machines used to their capacity.
@jimf1007
@jimf1007 4 года назад
Thank you so much. All these years of watching your videos and I've always wanted to see you pick up some of those shaving so I can see how big they really were. My dreams have came true. Thanks Adam. Much love from NorCal
@fzapp
@fzapp 4 года назад
Man I like watching that shaper run! Not sure why.....just do! Thx Adam!!!
@ssureshot
@ssureshot 4 года назад
I love the sound in the slo-mo.. Back in the 70's the Rex AAA was my go to lathe tool.
@daviddoss3906
@daviddoss3906 4 года назад
every time it takes a pass, it sounds like unrolling some packaging tape. lol
@dennislarsson815
@dennislarsson815 4 года назад
I am happy seeing at least a few people know how to set up the clapper box correctly. I started off in the machining trade running shapers. We always pointed the chips toward a wall. A 16 inch long cut, 1/2 inch deep at .020 feed in 6150 steel would fill up a catch box very quickly. Had to put a sheet of plywood against the wall as the chips were chipping out a hole in the cement blocks. Great machine for running contours on stamping die sections. Love your videos. Keep up the good work. PS, I still own three. @ bench top Atlas models and a 16 inch Varnamo made in Sweden.
@MrSinner86
@MrSinner86 4 года назад
Crazy to hear that thing grunt like that. Ton of pressure on the work piece! Very cool! Thanks for the video. The difference in the chip coolant running vs no coolant was awesome!
@AmericanLocomotive1
@AmericanLocomotive1 4 года назад
If you want to get a gauge on how "hard" you're pushing machine - hook up an ammeter/amp-clamp to one of the motor leads. Watch the current as it enters the cut. How close it is to the motor's rated current should give you an idea of the "load".
@gottfriedschuss5999
@gottfriedschuss5999 4 года назад
American Locomotive You are certainly correct! Look at the current when the ram cycles but not cutting vs. taking a heavy cut. That difference gives you an idea of the power (voltage x current = power in watts) required for the cut. Knowing the time to make the cut, one can approximate the energy (watt-seconds or joules) required. Finally, since we know the length of cut, one might be able obtain a reasonable estimate of the cutting tool force. Just a thought. Be well! Gottfried
@harmlesscreationsofthegree1248
@harmlesscreationsofthegree1248 4 года назад
I found this relaxing and satisfying 😊 Thanks!
@MrWildbill
@MrWildbill 4 года назад
Wow, that brought back an old memory, in the 7th grade I had metal shop class as one of my classes and our first project was using a shaping machine to make a hole punch for paper. We formed the body of the punch from a single block of steel, worked pretty well but I have no idea where it went.
@bradleystach6275
@bradleystach6275 4 года назад
When abom goes to the store to buy chips, he walks past the lays giggling, he then grabs a bag of whole russet potatoes and says “now these are chips!”
@johnberg798
@johnberg798 4 года назад
I just love the sound of those giant chips bouncing off the vice and floor. Sounds like someone dropping a short sections of angle iron.
@kcraig51
@kcraig51 4 года назад
With that machine, you need a hardhat with your safety glasses!
@sfcrblair
@sfcrblair 4 года назад
That's so calming I could sit and watch that all day. I can't believe how it can cut that deep without snapping of the tool bit. Love it.
@somethingsomeonesaid6455
@somethingsomeonesaid6455 4 года назад
I would like to let you know I really like what you do; I am not a machinist but I do work with tools. You have the art to this science and the science to this art down, and everytime I watch your videos I learn something. Keep it up and thank you.
@VitoVeccia
@VitoVeccia 4 года назад
I could fall asleep to the beautiful sounds of that machine at work.
@waynemuston3504
@waynemuston3504 4 года назад
I love how it sounds like church bells when you drop the chips in slow motion
@Henry2618
@Henry2618 4 года назад
Dig that smirky little grin when ya put the cam on the arm :)....A sure sign Adam loves his work! Reminds me the first time I got to use a pipeline welder...that sound literally made me drool. The world needs more people who actually enjoy their work.
@miket2055
@miket2055 4 года назад
Why the hell is it so mesmerizing to watch machining equipment run ! And with that, I’ll get back to watching this video 😁
@richardnelson2612
@richardnelson2612 11 месяцев назад
Abom, I really enjoy all of your videos. In watching this one I noticed the tool dragging on every return stroke. I think that if you tilted the clapper box over to left of center rather than having it right of center you'll find that the tool swings out and away from the work on the return stroke. Then the spm cold be increased a little and it would really fly out on the return stroke. Of course your tool alignment would be same as your using now, it just wouldn't drag at all on the backstroke.
@richardnelson2612
@richardnelson2612 6 месяцев назад
Thanks for the feedback it kind of hurt me to see his tool dragging on every backstroke. Yours was the only feedback. Also many people are surprised to learn that the backstroke is faster that the forward stroke. I pointed that out to an old hand who was running a 48 inch shaper. He asked me what I'd been smoking. I had him count the forward strokes and backstrokes during one minute. He couldn't believe it.@@mjm7187
@2121buster
@2121buster 4 года назад
Wow.. them are some serious chips
@gareththomson4080
@gareththomson4080 4 года назад
Just what we need right now! Thanks
@jamesbeen9904
@jamesbeen9904 4 года назад
The slow-mo sounds just WOW!
@k9elli
@k9elli 4 года назад
I would love to see this with a FLIR/TIC
@markrap327
@markrap327 4 года назад
Other content: Let’s dial in ten thou and see what happens..... Abom: Lets just take a 1inch skim cut......
@toad3048
@toad3048 4 года назад
There, done and fixed:)
@sandymackiesman3530
@sandymackiesman3530 4 года назад
Hey Adam really enjoyed that, I started my apprenticeship in N Ireland in 1965 (James Mackie and sons) and one of the machines I was taught to operate was the shaper as well as lathe milling m/c welding etc. I am delighted to see you teaching these skills as they are slowly disappearing, you so remind me of me in my early days. RETIRED now but still keep my hand in with a small m/c shop in my garage. Keep up the great work. Cheers
@theokruger3558
@theokruger3558 4 года назад
Great video Adam. Brings back very old memories. Nothing beats the "Old School" machining ... !! Thanks for sharing.
@beepbeepcoyote
@beepbeepcoyote 4 года назад
Thats a big boy chip right there
@numeprenume512
@numeprenume512 3 года назад
This is the new go-to-sleep soundtrack for me...
@Dudleymiddleton
@Dudleymiddleton 4 года назад
Man I could watch this forever! great vid as usual, Adam.
@joeziegler9054
@joeziegler9054 4 года назад
Another great video Adam! Thanks for sharing. The shaper was the first machine I ever learned to run as an apprentice. I always love seeing these machines work to this day!!
@ryanp0342
@ryanp0342 4 года назад
"Keep em CONTAMINATED right here" I think you meant contained but everyone has the virus on their mind lol
@billmckillip1561
@billmckillip1561 4 года назад
I still think you should make something out of that block on the shaper, such as a regulation size gaming die (as dice). That would requires lots of 'heavy shaping action'!
@thorne62
@thorne62 4 года назад
Hey man I really love your Channel, I love listening to you explain stuff, you don't bullshit or drool over subjects you get straight to the point and that way we could watch the work actually being done which is great, particularly love this session, awesome watching the work being done on that block, thanks man keep up the good work, Cheers...👍
@bobtherat99
@bobtherat99 4 года назад
Super fun. I think this is my favorite shaper video so far. Especially liked the dropping of the chips in slow mo
@tilliesinabottle
@tilliesinabottle 2 года назад
the sound of the chips in slow motion is like crowbars hitting the floor
@frankmcgorman962
@frankmcgorman962 4 года назад
34m05s ... the bells of St. Abom...:)
@MichaudDaniel
@MichaudDaniel 4 года назад
I love seeing these machines working.
@AdamsLab
@AdamsLab 4 года назад
It's no wonder why you like the shaper. The operation is really neat to watch. The amount of power that has to be transferred into the tool to make that heavy of a cut, and so smoothly, and without breaking anything. It's just neat.
@StrangeWhiskers
@StrangeWhiskers 4 года назад
I love how it sounds like tape peeling
@rickybradby1312
@rickybradby1312 4 года назад
To prove your table movement theory causing chatter, could you put a toe jack under table whilst taking a heavy cut to see a before and after? Easier than stripping a machine down. Also, could you try your LNMX in shaper head as a video clip?
@honeycuttracing
@honeycuttracing 4 года назад
This is the kinda stuff love seeing on your channel Abom79!!!!
@isavedtheuniverse
@isavedtheuniverse 4 года назад
THANK YOU SO MUCH!!! I know you didn't do this for me but it feels like it. I've always wanted just a montage of big heavy cuts. Absolutely epic.
@davekelly1485
@davekelly1485 4 года назад
My Cincinnati Heavy duty 24 shaper book shows it cutting a chip .030 feed x 2 inch cut. Thinking you have lots more capacity in your machine.
@noahmercier2111
@noahmercier2111 4 года назад
Hey Abom79, when will you show us the flexarm working. Let's tap some holes.
@reginaldcrudstump383
@reginaldcrudstump383 4 года назад
Never thought I'd get so much satisfaction from watching a hunk of metal being 'shaved'. Love the slo-mo shots.
@glennstasse5698
@glennstasse5698 4 года назад
ToT just posted a video titled ASMR for machinists. This video could also be called that. Very relaxing.! Surprising how the tools discolored at the cutting edges. Tremendous forces at play. Love the “church bells”.
@ronjones-6977
@ronjones-6977 4 года назад
I see "Heavy Shaping Action" and I click on it faster than "Free Toilet Paper Giveaway."
@darkxxhimxxlight
@darkxxhimxxlight 4 года назад
Yeah, i especially miss the old shop videos of the big lathe and mill jobs. So damn entertaining. It's like ASMR for your eyes!
@rwilson1125
@rwilson1125 4 года назад
oooh, lets take a hunk of steel and make huge chips. I am down with that
@KC9UDX
@KC9UDX 4 года назад
It's amazing to me how many shaper videos there are, and thus how many shapers are still around. I don't know what's better though: that, or the sound of a Milwaukee vertical mill taking that kind of DOC with a high speed roughing endmill. Those were the days 🎶
@woodstock048
@woodstock048 4 года назад
Enjoy your videos, and the shaper. Many many years ago I attended MTSU, pre-Engineering. A requirement was a semester of “Machine Shop Processes” which included shapers. That was my favorite machine, it just took a lot of setup and concentration, great results. They had a great machine shop, sure it no longer exist. Thanks
@LolzMan7756
@LolzMan7756 4 года назад
-"Whats the chipload on that tool?" -"Yes"
@SkylersRants
@SkylersRants 4 года назад
I think you'll need heavy equipment to pick up those chips!
@ls2005019227
@ls2005019227 4 года назад
Awesome video! Love to see the shaper action-
@incubatork
@incubatork 4 года назад
Amazing slow motion shots showing not only the big chips but the heat transfer from piece and tool to the chip
@gmjquin
@gmjquin 4 года назад
Man I almost feel sorry for the workpiece, that looks brutal LOL
@wardocc9196
@wardocc9196 4 года назад
You'll be finding chips for years to come. In boxes, under tables.
@ndfields1
@ndfields1 4 года назад
Don't forget about the soles of your boots
@raginrednekk
@raginrednekk 4 года назад
The .500x.030" chips sounded like the shaper was launching big ol' bottle caps, or washers!! That's so awesome!
@YancySmithTurboRexPerformance
@YancySmithTurboRexPerformance 4 года назад
I did something like this in highschool years ago. It looked like purple fritos flying off the bit. It was a great way to learn the machine.
@BobJones-cr1pl
@BobJones-cr1pl 4 года назад
We've all seen them ...now they have a name......the "ABOM CHIP"
@Rossman500
@Rossman500 4 года назад
where does one even get a cube of steel like that?
@grahamstretch6863
@grahamstretch6863 4 года назад
Ping Pong From the shop his brother works at! Adam explains that right at the beginning.
@dennislarsson815
@dennislarsson815 4 года назад
One other comment, We always had the vice running parallel to the stroke. Basically 90 degrees from your set up. That would protect the vise in case something went wrong. We also used hold downs to keep the block of steel pushed down against the base of the vise.
@Abom79
@Abom79 4 года назад
I purposely hold large workpieces like this when I can against the jaw to prevent the shaper from pushing it out. I know because if done myself a couple of times. Otherwise, positioningof the vise depends on length of part.
@TreeOfLifeCG
@TreeOfLifeCG 4 года назад
You can hear that machine working
@eggnogfrog
@eggnogfrog 4 года назад
It's interesting that the length of the chip is considerably less than the length of the cut. It's like the metal in the chip compresses as it's being cut.
@specforged5651
@specforged5651 4 года назад
Never even thought about that, but you are certainly correct. Now you’ve got me interested in this.
@wingman358
@wingman358 4 года назад
Yes, good eyes. Take a look at chip formation and you will see the length of cut is compressed by the shearing action a bit. Here's a good example video: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-mRuSYQ5Npek.html
@musicbro8225
@musicbro8225 4 года назад
@@wingman358 Wow that video is amazing, it's like the bow of an ice breaker moving through ice. What is T.I.N, is Titanium or some type of Teflon Impregnation? You can really see where some of the chatter that you see in Adams cuts is coming from; a lot of the time it's not the tool that is doing the cutting but the build up of gummy workpiece sticking to the the cutting edge, I guess, deflecting the tool minimally, but mostly just gouging material out of the body of the workpiece. A strong indication that some form of lubrication would be greatly beneficial?
@AliasUndercover
@AliasUndercover 4 года назад
That is a large block of steel. I have no use for one, but I want one.
@MrRedstoner
@MrRedstoner 4 года назад
I'd also need the complementary shaper. Wouldn't have a block of steel for long though.
@donwright3427
@donwright3427 4 года назад
I used to use a planer.Same principal but the tool is stationary and the bed moves. You put a small leather strap behind the tool so on the back stroke it flicks under the cutting tool avoiding scrape marks!
@ClovisChitwood
@ClovisChitwood 4 года назад
I don't know why but watching that beast cut is mesmerizing
@toad3048
@toad3048 4 года назад
That ol' girl defines 'cool" ! How many factors come into play when the Shaper is just repeating the cut and yet not one chip lands in the same place?
@darkxxhimxxlight
@darkxxhimxxlight 4 года назад
Some REALLY complicated physics? 🤷🏻‍♂️
@mikejurisic
@mikejurisic 4 года назад
Pot those chips in resin and make keychains, I'd buy one
@jerrycoleman2610
@jerrycoleman2610 4 года назад
Adam, Always nice to have a nice afternoon with a soothing video of shaper work, thanks for sharing your video.!.!.!.
@mikenixon5936
@mikenixon5936 4 года назад
I've been around machining all my life and have never seen such a tool, awesome.
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