Heavy Tank META Over due to Bash Change? - At least Tanks are less annoying to FIGHT |  

warlord feels trash now, his bash feels and looks slower and the 300ms dodge before the bash looks slow mo; no mix ups, no unblockable, slow bash, no offensive pressure. pk is better

@@white_fang6022 A lot of the player base do feel the same way as yourself.

@@Hunter1bravo yeah because warlord got the heaviest nerf out of anyone this patch while they buffed S tiers like shaolin and tiandi

@@white_fang6022 I definitely hate it when they nerf my favorite characters but luckily I love playing Shaolin so one small positive for me lol. They totally wrecked my LawDaddy though lol

@@Hunter1bravo yeah i quit lawbringer and now i’ve quit warlord, if i want to have fun i guess i’ve got to force myself to like playing afeera or shaolin cuz ubi won’t ever nerf them only buff them

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Just, wow.

Fucking ate all my snacks reading this😂you owe me more snacks damnnit

its debatable how much of an unconditioned stimulus an indicator in for honor is Coming back to this after a nights worth of sleep Id like to add: Any video game is more adequately described as a Skinner box, coined by B.F. Skinner, where the subject has to press a button according to a cue in order to its reward: light flares up - subject presses button - subject gets reward. All that modern gaming does to change that formula is adding a multitude of possible buttons to press in response to any one cue (both literally and figuratively). Pavlovs approach isnt enough to describe this process. What faraam was doing was abusing the subjects pattern recognition mechanisms in order to trick it into performing an inadequate response (think: light flares up in a pattern - subject predicts pattern with its response in order to receive reward - pattern is revealed to be irregular). Thats also why we experience frustration when on the other end of the experiment: because we now have to deal with the fact that our predictive model was off, and missed out on our reward. Hope that helps!

Yikes, dude

most characters that have benefited the most from these changes have been hybrids and assassins and not so much heavys outside of bp the tank meta is definitely not over but there is definitely more upsides to playing non tank role characters

its true that its not all tanks, but most have now forced "delay" before the bash. warlord has almost 300ms dodge forward before the bash even starts - without delaying it intentionally, bp's delay feels slightly faster but still a clear indication the bash is about to come, and conq is similar bunt I dont feel any different fighting him.

Still has full blockade and superior lights and hyperarmor lol not the only thing he had

thats like trying to fix inflation by raising the minimum wage. The problem will stay the same

@@Dr.BluberryExcept that’s a bad example. Raising wages doesn’t directly cause inflation, printing money does. A more fitting example would be printing extra money to give to everyone (cough PPP loans) which cause inflation.

Bashes are faster for everyone who doesn’t charge there’s so Warden, Warmonger and Centurions punch didn’t change but everyone else’s did

@@xanderlaskey2753cents punch didn’t change, but his kick was.

Buffed? If you think doing the exact opposite of buffing is what buffing means. Look at warlord, bp for instance. 100 - 500 ms into the dodge you could dodge attack. Now its 300 ms into the dodge. Always. Aka making it easier to dodge the bashes, as you could safely dodge when they do. And dodge the bash, counter guard break if he does a gb. Heck even parrying the followup light/zone after empty dodges. Except a few with dodge recoveries. Where now the bash comes out faster. I would call that an overall nerf. Lets say lights go back to 500 ms. Is that a buff? Its 400 now back to 500. Is the opposite of a buff. But yeah. Youre getting my point

​@@shablagoomerHaHaHa he fell for it

⁠​⁠​⁠@@shablagoomerthose are character specific. You can say the same thing about cent. You input his bash at 300ms anyways so this is a buff for him and besides ive played and have seen people that dodge on front dodge not the actual bash animations. (CCU makes bash indicator come out 100ms late so it has to be animation) Ur talking about the 10% who can see certain parts of animations and actual distinguish a forward dodge and a gb. With that logic bashes are kinda unreactable considering dodges takes roughly 150ms( something around there). Im for bashes being openers but they are doing it in such a terrible way. Front dodge bash at 100ms is good for when your ganking someone but other than that it has no good uses id rather delay bash someone if i know theyre gonna react dodge on my dodge forward or just start throwing gbs from neutral. If they decide to wait then i delay bash. If they start interrupting then ill just dodge forward to parry and go from there. Edit: i meant law not cent

@@shablagoomerthis is a buff no one tries to react to bash unless u actually could see the animations clearly but its always been between forward dodge and gb. Now its definitely between forward dodge and gb.

@@zlpriime no. Dodging on dodge is pretty fucking safe. Normally a late dodge catches it. Now it misses cuz its 300 ms into the dodge. Bashing when ganking is not the thing to do. Unless you want to deal with multiple revenge procs

hit him so hard i’m not playing him anymore, ruined his whole flow

@@white_fang6022 saying that a bash nerf "ruined his whole flow" is a clear indication you just spammed it

@@Dr.Bluberry no you moron the animation is slowed down so much and the forced 300ms dash before you can even start the bash slows it down even more, warlord was my main and highest playtime so obviously a big change like this is going to have ruined my flow

@@Dr.Bluberry warlord literally has no offence other than his bash and now it’s the slowest forward bash in the game, guarantees a gb on miss which is so stupid when every other hero gets to light/heavy out of a missed bash

​@@white_fang6022warden?

He got buffed he is just better now

I do wish he'd cover a tiny bit what the changes are -- even if its just a two sentence overview in the description when the change is relevant to the title or one of the clips I appreciate that he's a daily clips channel not a patchnotes news channel, i don't want him to feel the need to do a breakdown video for every update, but faraam's videos are how i hear about most changes, & then am not able to find what those changes are bc Ubi is really bad about communicating stuff to people who dont wanna sit thru every livestream. Even their website is terrible, google will serve you up years-old patches instead of the new one & there's no easy way to browse them once ur on their site the way u can, say, blizzard's

​@@tabula_rosajust Google for honor patch notes, Ubisoft website will be on top, then on the page click the patch notes that correspond with the date and voila you can read it with the devs explanations there as well. In short all forward Dodge NON charge able bashes have their input window now set at 300 ms to 500 ms into the front Dodge, while it used to be for some 100 ms to 500 ms and the bashes themselves have been sped up from 500ms to 433 so the moment the orange appears to when it hits you. An exception or 2 but a told you how and where to find the patch notes, so now if you see things like this in titles you know where to look for patch notes yourself. Have a nice day ✌️

Sped most of them up. Only dodge forward bashes though

@@Joey_Sabre ok thank you I'll just have to react faster now lmao

@@Joey_Sabre but why that's bad for warlord?