The crazy thing is what most people consider low elo (up to gold and maybe including depending) it's actually better than pushing the correct amount in a lot of cases, if you're behind especially because the enemy team either completely ignore you or 3 come to kill you while your team have the chance to do something much more impactful. The only problem is you never know whether it will be until later on in the game based on how everyone rotates to objectives and catches waves
Ive always let them overpush me while I just farm n then once they are overpushed ill ping for my support to engage with me and we go in for the kills then farm peacefully again 😂 I didn’t know that was something people didn’t realize or know. It was just common sense for me. I’ve only been playing league for about a year right now.
As a jungler I am ganking the shit out of an overpushed lane if I feel it has a high chance of success. Being over pushed increases those odds massively
I call it narcissistically shoving. Everyone in low diamond and below does it. It pisses me off. I’m a jungle main and they narcissistically shove, shift the blame onto me & keep repeating the same mistake non stop until game over. We don’t even ff because it’s NA and no one surrenders.
These tips were actually so insanely valuable. If this series could be repeated every few weeks, it would give enough time fix those mistakes and not be overwhelmed by trying to fix multiple mistakes at once. :)
The Dragon illness in low elo is annoying. You might have baron, both sides have 2 dragons and you will find players pinging the shit of you to contest a dragon while having the easiest way to end the game, or push their whole base.
insane insights, im master adc and have never heard about overpushing, playing since 2014, it`s something i usually feel but have never thought about it as a mechanic, please, bring more of these "unspoken" or intuitive things that are pretty important even as small things
Mistake #4 about supports, my god. I'm Diamond 1 support main and i always help to push wave and back with my adc. I never though about going base earlier for roam
5:20 See, this advice is good and makes sense, but I've also met laners that flame and int because we didn't get objectives even when we have a kill lead. It's not just a jgler thing. I've seen an adc grief because we didnt get rift herald AFTER we secure a dragon and failed to take out mid tower (they were trying to solo the rift). I've seen many teams grief over not getting void grubs while top and mid are losing. It's really more an issue of newb teams wanting objectives when it's the wrong time to take them.
Much like the support tip I say it’s the same for jun sometimes just popping from a bush and scaring the enemy to run is literally enough but you only ever see people try and force fights that leaves you both low or one dead and the other screwed for lane.
Really depends. Jungles should rarely ever show themselves on the map. I'd say only if it's crucial or you've bumped into someone near an objective, but the best thing you can do is get prio(rity) in the lanes next to the obj (top and mid for grubs/herald/baron and bot and mid for dragons) a Jungler can help with that prio and that's the better thing to do, gank those lanes if they're not pushed enough and when they are pushed up, congrats, you have prio. that's IF they rotate though lol.
nothing worse than a jungle who didn't see they started dragon/void and you can't for the life of you do anything to tell him there is a free dragon/void
@@DustyyBoi player who completely ignores the ping system spotted. you can literally just ping dragon/grub alive via scoreboard, itll give the check/cancel popup for team even if ping muted. + the fact if pings arent muted since most jg just mute chat, its literally just ping assistance, need vision, on my way. Its not hard.
@@KyoHoliday unless they are too stupid to understand pings I'm like 87% sure they muteall. and most people ignore the dragon ping system, I for one do. after the first day I made it as small as possible and put it in the bottom right corner. people spam that thing more than ss
I often do the early recall as a support after getting the double kill. Then I press f4 and see that my adc pushed the wave stayed bot and is greeding for turret plates now at an item disadvantage. I often leave them to die at that point and try and make something happen mid. If I walk bot and they are dead by then it does me no good to stand bot and if I go mid it’s often at least a blown flash.
Iv always seem to unintentionally recalled before my ADC because usually im the engage, and I get chunked out first. And im scared of jger ganking. But iv never roamed afterward. I tend to just hold a freeze if possible.
every lane has a different way of doing this but the answer is generally that you need to play more aggressive until you draw pressure and then as soon as you are the one drawing the enemy's attention you make yourself impossible to kill.
If its a super doomed spot like duel 0-10's then playing for bounty is often the best. If its only slightly doomed like top mid 1-4 then crossmaping on the the side that isnt feeding can be good. But all things league, everything is situational.
"The winning team will be the one to take the objectives" Also, "We didn't take drag here, and gave it to the enemy team. But it's fine" "don't overthink things as a Jungler" Also, " most teams would just Dragon here. But my mid laner is low, I need krugs, top is pushing, support got an STD last night and my adc is only operating at 87% efficiency due to jet lag"
The more I learn about wave management, the more I fell in love with the game. I'm an idiot with no hands, but this kind of deep knowledge is fun and makes me see the game in a whole different way.
I'm a low elo autofill player because we all know the queue times + dodge + remake BS that we all have to go through and while Iwas on a loss streak I really felt like i didn't know what I was doing even tho I'm poking properly as support and my objectives are proper as jungler... I watched this video and I had the most blissful win ever as cho'gath support, if my adc is overpushing i poke the enemy as much as possible and make sure we have vision for ganks, then i recall before the minions bounces back, if the enemy is over pushing I just Q the wave and we're back to normal. It felt like I controlled the entire by myself. I thank you for this video, I actually feel like I'm playing the game and not just going in to pass time.
Been playing jungle in the VS AI mode for some basics practice and I do think I’m already avoiding the jungling mistake mentioned here and while I’m not playing WELL yet it’s definitely working and these guides have definitely helped
multi season-multi role master player in my soloq games is so terrifying. like i queue up just for a guy to completely steamroll for the sake of making internet courses for the players he just cost 20 minutes of their life?
Nah, you were correct the first time. This dude is talking about "low elo" tips while getting into the minutia of minion hp and lane tactics. Get out of the beginners division mate.
I think it does cause it needs a meaningful window of time between u and ad to be effective/efficient. But also situational. If u worried bout adc dying "just because " then its a mistake to stay, if u worried cause u have no vision and enemy jg/mid might be rotating then it isnt...
One small tip: Do not surrender or be discouraged even if the enemy has taken Baron. Just play defensive near your crystal, I have won sooooo many games even after losing objectives like Baron and Dragons because the enemy team gets it over their head. Still, they don't realize how impossibly hard it is if 5 of us are playing defensively near our towers. The only reason we lose against these Barons/Dragons enemy team is because people give up. After all, they have a lot of buffs and are quite fed. Fed only works if it's 1v1 or 1v2 but the wall suddenly increases for 1v3+ and instead of the enemy ending the game, they feed us instead by diving straight into their deaths, have the LONG respawn debuff, and eating a comeback defeat. Sure, I feel like giving up too when they get this many buffs and our team is 10 vs. 35 (in team-wide kills) but personally experiencing, the real game starts in the 2nd half of the game so don't give up just coz the enemy is fed in exp and buffs.
The problem is your team always WANTS objectives but is always fine not going anywhere near them, then blame you as the jungler for not getting them by yourself the enemy grouped on them.
mistake #3 playing around varus passive will help you remember to do this. that AS boost during a trade is no joke ( I reccomend adc mains try varus to practice this) bc I forget half the time if i'm on let's say twitch and your w just tanks the wave and ruins it >.>
10:22 as I learned on this very channel, the skill shots hit or not are based on a 2D map, since your hero is flying, it seems like you're above what your actual physical in game position is for the game engine, which make the shuriken hit. Im a complete noob btw I joined League last week but I did my homework and watched some of your videos lol.
So I watch Skillcapped videos all the time, in order to apply the concepts I learn not to lol but to another moba called Predecessor. And when I got to mistake 3 i was shocked because i started to do this naturally after watching so many skillcapped videos
I'm doing everything SC says to do, but I cant seem to get out of Bronze. I post every game to my channel in my Bronze Chronicles series. I'd appreciate any feedback /coaching from anyone at this point. I jungle. My biggest struggle currently is just dealing with toxicity. Either my team has the clown or the other team or maybe I'm just having a rough game. It feels like a role of the dice with every game. I acknowledge I need to improve, just not sure where. I'm at that point now where I need someone to point it out to me because I feel like I'm doing things correct.
Watching your vids you can improve on your mechanics A LOT. Simply faster more efficient clicks, more dodging skillshots, more landing urs, more spacing, more kiting and not brainless auto attack trading. There is SO much more. A lot of people will tell you that you can climb using only good macro and proper play. This is kinda true, but it is also true that you can climb with terrible macro if your micro compensates for it. Basically some players will make bad plays, but their mechanics compensate so they end up ahead anyways. Basically my best feedback would be to improve your micro. Also just disable chat in bronze. There is nothing relevant from game chat. I recently got a friends bronze account to play on. So far im 80+ % winrate playing as fill after like 15 games. Im only a platinum player and the skill gap between platinum and bronze is insane. And trust me, PLAT IS STILL LOW ELO, IM A NOOB. If a noob can get 80% winrate in bronze then so can you buddy, keep trying and try to just play alot of games to improve your micro. You seem to know enough macro to get out of bronze. Like youre kinda insinuating, you actually know what the correct play is a lot of the time. You just need to get the micro to back it up, and YOU DONT need to be a 16 year old super talent to have good micro. You can have pretty slow but just consistent and efficient clicks.
Also something i noticed when i watch you clear your camps. You can pull them WAY more, and it does save you several seconds. You can probably shave 10 seconds off your first clear ONLY by pulling your camps further. You basically wanna use ur first set of abilities on the camp, then you INSTANTLY kite it to the edge of the aggro circle. When its 3-4 seconds off dying you start pulling it AWAY from the circle towards your next camp while also kiting and finishing off the camp. This takes a little practice in order for the camps to reset. This might not be worth the first 10 times youre doing it, but after you get it down you will save so much time. Also i saw that youre oversmiting alot. Especially in the early game, if you get a leash on your camp and the camp is around 7-800 hp when theyre done leashing DO NOT smite this camp. Unless you KNOW the enemy jungler is going to invade you, you smite the camp early to MAKE SURE you get the full 600 damage. In your latest video youre smiting your first camp on 500 hp. This is a full second or more wasted with early game attack speed. If you just combine these two things and get it down, your clear is gonna get so much faster. Faster clear means you gank earlier, you can invade enemy, you can be on scuttle before enemy. Its higher tempo. Its huge. The other thing i noticed is you stay on the map WAY TOO MUCH. In the volibear game i watched you are late for the scuttle because your clear is sub optimal, yi takes the scuttle in front of you. You then shadow yi ALL THE WAY to bot scuttle and WATCH HIM TAKE IT and start your 2nd full clear WITHOUT RECALLING and buy with ur 900gp. I cannot stress how bad this is. After you even see yi on the first scuttle your instinct should be to INSTANTLY RESET. If you did this you wouldve actually had tempo advantage on yi, who goes for double scuttle. Your camps give more xp, the ONLY reason you take scuttle is for the extra gp, and for early vision. But you can just ward. Its not worth losing 30+ seconds or even potentially dying since level 4 yi will kill level 4 voli every time. If you had just reset and started your 2nd full clear you would have been at Drake/voidgrubs or a gank with a TEMPO ADVANTAGE and with gold spent Youre basically missing out on 3 kills worth of gp if ANYTHING happens on your 2nd clear. And in solo queue, pretty much every 2nd clear something happens. Even if nothing happens youre clearing slower cause you dont have gp spent. Again, all you had to do was DO NOTHING and recall, and you wouldve been ahead of yi.
@@mkayy736 I cant thank you enough! I really appreciate the time you took to point out some of my bad habits. Things I am going to work on: 1) Completely overhaul my first clear. I need to practice efficient clearing way more in the practice tool. 2) take advantage of resetting instead of wasting time. 3) moving more efficiently in combat with skill shot champs I'm going to keep coming back to your comment as I focus on working on my play. Thank you so much!
@Herm No worries man, i enjoy watching videos like yours as they showcase really relatable league gameplay, as opposed to just watching good players. And yeah, the 3 points you highlighted are definitely where i would start. The 3rd pointhowever, i didnt only mean when youre playing skillshot champs. Its more so learning enemy champ skillshots and how to Dodge them. Learning how to hit skillshots is kinda important yes, but how to space properly vs enemy skillshots and abilities in general is infinitely more important. And as i said my guy, the only way to learn is literally just to keep playing. Keep recording your gameplay, ESPECIALLY the games where you are losing and playing badly. They give you a lot more valuable info than games where you are playing well. I know it sucks rewatching a game where you go 0/10, but its for sure the best way to improve. Good luck my guy and i really hope you can use any of this, and that im not just ranting xd
@@mkayy736 You're absolutely right! I'm going to keep up the practice and post more videos. I've taken this week to practice in draft. I'm glad you enjoy the regular person gameplay. I too, enjoy watching reality game play where its just a normal person playing the standard experience. I'm hoping to get some dubs tomorrow to show thanks for your help
I would love if you could answer this question in regards to top lane waves. Say you have prio and are about to crash a wave but a fight breaks out in the river. Is it better to crash then rotate, or rotate and leave your wave bad potentially freezing against yourself.
As a Jungler, I really agree on the objectives. Many times in games I'm leading the objective fight but we lose due to enemy team just getting more kills, farm and plates. Really overrated, more like something to do if there's nothing better to do.
Good tips but the biggest one is def just get atleast a 3 stack and play works better since people tend to not know what the hell they doing unless they have people they can talk to.
Hmm. I just watched this video on sunday, and it reminds me of my top renek game, which i destroyed a reksai top with the same things he mentioned unintentionally.
Pet peeve as a support. The you get a good trade, the adc crashes the lane, you have minions at the enemy tower, and the adc decides to recall. They don't auto the turret at all, which means they don't get plate gold. The minions are going to destroy the plate anyway. Is there a logical reason for this, or are they just not watching?
Depends on the situation. Losing one plate for tempo is worth it, if that allows you to finish your first item or an important component. You can get more plates later with the tempo instead of overstaying in lane and not spending your gold. Not saying that this is the case whenever this happens to you, just stating that this could be what is happening.
since i dont find it in google i wantet to ask: how is the dmg on the herolds backside when the eye is open? how do i know how mutch dmg it will deal i often struggle with this and sometimes loose herold becouse of it
a friend of mine is a lot better player than me, byt he keeps telling me that the objectives are the most important aspect to win a game as a jungler. and he still telling me that i shouldn't push side lanes because I'm jungler. i get his point, but i feel like, like you said, i get a vision for just one thing and i don't have any other options. what do you think?
I disagree with the underlying idea of mistake 2 i think it is a good tip for maybe mid elo gameplay. But from my experience the benefit of a kill or 2 is not as great as the benefit that some of the objectives can give you.
15:00 wait, riven lost lane because she didnt crash the wave so it wont bounce back to her, and you .. build a slow push to her. isnt it the same? The problem seems like she did nothing with you killing last wave fast, crashings yours
People always misrepresent dragon soul winrates so much, they fail to realise a team usually has soul because they are winning, rather than a team winning because they have soul. I would be willing to bet that >80% of games would be won by the same team even if u gave soul to the team that lost it.
I think laners need to hear the jungle mistake as much as junglers do. Lord knows how many times I have laners pushing and forcing for a dragon or baron that ends up wiping our whole team.
If u just take objective when it's not a hassle then why in pro scene they fight to death for the dragon and baron? like they are going for 5v5 in the obj?
Because it's a 5v5. This happens very often in MMR since around Master for even the first grubs. If you allocate 0 players to the objective, you simply lose the objective, if you allocate 2-4 it's even worse since you lose it and die too. The best solution is either a 5v5 or a 1v5 steal, while the rest of the team does other things on the map. 5v5 is probably not what he meant by hassle, but rather for example a 2v3.
The biggest mistake mid laners do in low elo is spam missing pings on their roaming supports. In my case then I just stick around mid lane and take their farm.
hey skipll chapped i got a good idear for u guys u should make vids from macro puzzles or somthing like that so if u watch it u have to think alot if u know what i mean sry my english is rly bad 😅
This guy is admitting he smurfs consistently!!? One of the worst things about league is you are not allowed to just enjoy the game at a simple level when you start because you are expected to learn all the skills before starting, and just get swished by smurfs
Not sure about mistake n°4. I see so many times my support trying to roam everywhere while i'm fed as adc and the other laners are weak. They end up doing nothing or worse, while i can't use my lead because i'm 1v2.
That was the point he was trying to make. When he staggers his recall like mentioned you are not in a 1v2 since the roam is already finished before you are back in lane.
is Hector okay? he seems to be throwing certain hints at us, i am worried for his health. skillcapped, please make sure to clean out his water dish once a day.
"i have never seen a support do this" man i'm already doing it every time and i'm sure a lot of supp are doing it often too. That's no crazy concept, throw all your spells in the wave to weaken the minions and then just let your adc last hit and finish the push when you base. This is nothing crazy... A lot of people are doing it... But since we get out of vision to base i guess it's less obvious than seeing the supp attacking the wave.
