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Hedonism, Taboos, Society, and Deprivation | Ben Shapiro | EP 418 

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Dr. Jordan B. Peterson speaks with best-selling author, commentator, rapper, and co-founder of The Daily Wire, Ben Shapiro. They discuss the postmodern twisting of religious conceptions, the proclivity for hedonism to propagate at the edges of shared ideals, the danger of a society which has no shared ideals, the necessity of deprivation, and the case for a transcendent narrative in regards to long-term societal benefits.
Ben Shapiro is the co-founder and Editor Emeritus of The Daily Wire and host of “The Ben Shapiro Show,” the largest conservative podcast in the nation. In addition, he also hosts “Debunked,” “The Search,” and “The Sunday Special.”
This episode was recorded on January 11th, 2024
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(1:09) Intro
(2:55) The Enlightenment was wrong, prioritizing narrative values
(7:13) Conditional probability in AI, mapping frameworks of meaning
(11:20) The prioritization of the victim/victimizer dynamic as the cardinal story of mankind
(18:40) The unjust steward, there is utility in serving mammon properly
(22:22) Christianity is not in direct conflict with capitalism
(27:18) The explanatory narratives that rise with the demented state
(33:24) Hedonic drives are primordial short-term determinations
(37:18) Our proclivity to violate taboos, and what happens when we have none left
(39:19) We experience reward only in relation to an aim
(40:46) Surfeit, scarcity, novelty, and deprivation
(47:00) The commonalities of stories amalgamate into archetypes
(50:24) The storyteller matters as much as the story
(52:11) You cannot reduce the transcendent to the subjective
(58:11) The use of religion to manipulate, taking Gods name in vain
(1:02:12) Without reverence for tradition, we become slaves to the margins
(1:09:31) Hardship creates strong people, padding creates weak people
(1:13:21) We all start out helpless, but we are not all victims
(1:15:13) We have marginalized the role of the elderly in our society
(1:18:44) Voluntary responsibility equals meaning
(1:20:53) When to tolerate and reprimand a child
(1:25:50) We have a growing need for intergenerational dialogue
(1:27:40) Cultural crisis and political disillusionment
(1:29:51) People are longing for a return to first principles
(1:32:38) When we can’t agree on sexual identification, all commonality is gone
(1:35:11) Getting back to the campfire
(1:37:54) Ackman vs. Gay, The stability of the West
(1:41:46) The rebuilding process is not hopeless
(1:44:36) Your true legacy is your children
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@chaimflam5906
@chaimflam5906 4 месяца назад
do i see a rap collab with jordan?
@Watch-Crazy
@Watch-Crazy 4 месяца назад
This ☝️
@SchlockstarJoe
@SchlockstarJoe 4 месяца назад
It’s called a “joint”
@victorygarden556
@victorygarden556 4 месяца назад
Need this
@FirstName-rt9uf
@FirstName-rt9uf 4 месяца назад
Boats 'n' Hoes, Daily Wire remix
@legacywatchguy8333
@legacywatchguy8333 4 месяца назад
Well, JP has one music video under his belt already...I think he's ready.
@Milestonemonger
@Milestonemonger 4 месяца назад
Jordan Peterson interviewing the No. 1 selling rap artist in America.
@owusuafriyiedennis4386
@owusuafriyiedennis4386 4 месяца назад
Say it again 😊
@sues3218
@sues3218 4 месяца назад
The Young Turks heads are exploding, and the comment section is razzing them big time. LOL I have a few words for TYT.... U mad, U mad, U mad.
@TheTylerGeissler
@TheTylerGeissler 4 месяца назад
L I T E R A L L Y 😭🤣
@BarbraBond
@BarbraBond 3 месяца назад
😂😂😂😂😂😂
@bentstraw827
@bentstraw827 3 месяца назад
Its funny because its true
@joitus
@joitus 4 месяца назад
“Well more is better, right? Wrong. The right amount is better. And having the right amount requires some level of deprivation.” WOW. So simple yet so profound.
@cactus3051
@cactus3051 4 месяца назад
Lagom!
@jshtux
@jshtux 4 месяца назад
that is in line with the ancient greeks idea of what constitutes virtue; it is the right amount of something, not too much, not little. just the right amount of something is the virtuous amount
@mjbull5156
@mjbull5156 4 месяца назад
Yes, an excess can merely result in waste.
@selin5266
@selin5266 4 месяца назад
Lmfao is this sarcastic? It’s such a banal statement
@BrodeyDoverosx
@BrodeyDoverosx 4 месяца назад
@@selin5266study more philosophy and realize the irony of your reply .
@TheKnightOperator
@TheKnightOperator 4 месяца назад
"Everyone will grow old, therefore the way we treat the elderly, is how we treat ourselves." - Jordan Peterson
@mammasrose5525
@mammasrose5525 13 дней назад
The A B C exercise!
@TheLastPirate1973
@TheLastPirate1973 4 месяца назад
Jordie B and Benshizzle’s new hit single “ Clean your room, you dolt”
@youtubedick-tators1991
@youtubedick-tators1991 4 месяца назад
Bloody hell, quite literally
@3ZEBRA
@3ZEBRA 4 месяца назад
"JBP" could be "Jay-Beepy"
@aligin
@aligin 4 месяца назад
@@3ZEBRAor Dr. J😅
@thinclient5318
@thinclient5318 4 месяца назад
Slim Shapy ft Slim Jordy.
@noneofyourbusiness5722
@noneofyourbusiness5722 4 месяца назад
Ben is Jewpac
@MiguelCorreiaDaCunha
@MiguelCorreiaDaCunha 4 месяца назад
"The more responsabilities I have, the cooler my life is." I like that.
@kit-ja
@kit-ja 4 месяца назад
To a point for sure.... Burn out is no joke....balance is key in my humble opinion
@aligin
@aligin 4 месяца назад
Which could also translate to I like power
@tangerinesarebetterthanora7060
@tangerinesarebetterthanora7060 4 месяца назад
Some people have very boring lives with lots of responsibilities, they are obligated to do the same menial tasks each day as opposed to somebody without many responsibilities who can have more potential freedom in that regard.
@Justineyedia
@Justineyedia 4 месяца назад
Tell yourself The pacebo effect and confirmation bias
@justinengland9814
@justinengland9814 4 месяца назад
Be careful what you wish for, why do you think it is 'cool'? Depends on what the responsibility is surely?
@sarahevans3622
@sarahevans3622 4 месяца назад
Dr Peterson, you probably don't read these posts but I can't thank you enough for pulling me out of the depths of hell so many times. Whenever I am struggling, I listen to you and regain my bearings. God bless you- see you in Durham NC!!
@knblibra
@knblibra 3 месяца назад
THIS! ❤ I could have wrote this myself, I swear. JP has helped me see Truth in ways I never thought possible, while simultaneously helping me survive (literally) the deepest depression I've ever been in. And I'll see him in St. Louis, MO!! I'm more excited to hear him speak on "We Who Wrestle With God" than I've ever been for any concert or show.
@kittybitts567
@kittybitts567 3 месяца назад
God bless, protect and keep you always in His care in Jesus' Holy Name, Amen.
@michelle1772
@michelle1772 3 месяца назад
It makes me so happy to see more & more people talking openly about God. Jordan has been instrumental in bringing this important subject to the fore. The Left, mainstream media, big celebs, big govt, et cetera, have been trying to move us as far away from God as possible. But God always wins. It has been written!
@knblibra
@knblibra 2 месяца назад
@@michelle1772 "It shall be known!" I agree!! I think part of it is the absolute madness overtaking the used to be civil world. The younger generations are seeing this and they're like "wtf, no," and seeking God on their own. They've realized what some of the older generations haven't, life DOES have meaning and purpose. Saying that nothing means anything hasn't done the world much good, so they're turning back to the old ways. Tried, true, and tested. I have faith that good and God shall prevail. I spread His word to encourage those who are lost, we've gotta help them find their way back to His path. I think that's the most important thing we can be doing right now!
@Cander617
@Cander617 Месяц назад
Man's like a father to me, I agree
@tyler9281
@tyler9281 4 месяца назад
Dr. Peterson was instrumental in my faith journey. I was lost, directionless, and without true meaning before I oriented myself to God. I offer up all my suffering and pain to Jesus Christ. God bless you all.
@kittybitts567
@kittybitts567 3 месяца назад
God bless, protect and keep you always in His care in Jesus' Holy and Mighty Name, Amen and Amen.
@Imitatechrist
@Imitatechrist 3 месяца назад
@@kittybitts567 ✝️🕯
@juan.zabala
@juan.zabala 3 месяца назад
Note that you've never seen Jordan ever said words like this. He advocates for belief in god but he's not an actual believer beyond the metaphor.
@Imitatechrist
@Imitatechrist 3 месяца назад
@@juan.zabala Note that you don't pay close attention. Have you seen him cry talking of Jesus?
@juan.zabala
@juan.zabala 3 месяца назад
@@Imitatechrist you don't have to believe in the that sanctity of a character for a story to be moving. He doesn't believe that Jesus was the actual son of god or that there is a real thing called heaven or hell. He simply talks about myths.
@pattichapman7296
@pattichapman7296 4 месяца назад
I was born in 1955 in a small town, about 6,000 people. If I was out & did something wrong, not only was I disciplined, I knew my parents would hear about it & discipline me again!! It was encouragement now to act up in public or anywhere else!! It wasn’t a good idea, it was a GREAT idea!! You can tell by kids behavior that it’s needed now. Thank you for this discussion!!
@zoomby4380
@zoomby4380 4 месяца назад
Self discipline would be more concrete. Some don't care if they are punished, as someone noticed them and gave them attention. When self discipline happens, that's when we grow up, to know that we won't allow ourselves to give into wrong doing. 😊
@pattichapman7296
@pattichapman7296 4 месяца назад
@@zoomby4380 I don’t believe we learn self discipline in a vacuum. We learn self discipline by being disciplined. JHIF
@zoomby4380
@zoomby4380 4 месяца назад
@@pattichapman7296 True with family. Yet so many today are in Dysfunctional families. Schooling today is not about reading, writing....but been a victim. I hope you can change this lack of discipline.....with Grandchildren....nephews and nieces...cousins.
@tabularasa164
@tabularasa164 3 месяца назад
Exactly! I probably saved myself tons of troubles because of the small town non-anonymity 😅 my husband and I chose the same - a smaller town to live in for our children. Best decision ever
@GabeSutton21
@GabeSutton21 3 месяца назад
​@@zoomby4380How do you expect children to "self-discipline" themselves?? Do you have kids?
@DonPandon
@DonPandon 4 месяца назад
Can you imagine Dr. Peterson throws some rhymes just for the fun of it. What a time to be alive.
@BubbaabbuB
@BubbaabbuB 4 месяца назад
Yeah, I imagine it would even more cringe than Ben, and I would be correct.
@zackwalker1721
@zackwalker1721 4 месяца назад
@@BubbaabbuB No way. He's got more bars than the gulags. (He has my blessing to steal that one)
@jmortyballs
@jmortyballs 4 месяца назад
Pingtrip plz
@zoorenard1101
@zoorenard1101 4 месяца назад
If I could recollect before my hood days I sit and reminisce, thinking of bliss and the good days I stop and stare at the younger My heart goes to ’em, they tested with stress that they under And nowadays things change Everyone’s ashamed of the youth *‘cause the truth look strange* And for me it’s reversed We left ’em a world that’s cursed and it hurts ‘Cause any day they’ll push the button, and all good men like Malcolm X or Bobby Hutton died for nothin’ Don’t it make you get teary? The world looks dreary When you wipe your eyes see it clearly There’s no need for you to fear me If you take your time and hear me Maybe you can learn to cheer me *It ain’t about black or white, ‘cause we human* I hope we see the light before it’s ruined; my ghetto gospel” - Tupac Shakur
@solaveritas2
@solaveritas2 4 месяца назад
Akira the Don has come close to that by integrating JBP's speeches into music
@GinaMcKeown-xm5hw
@GinaMcKeown-xm5hw 4 месяца назад
I live in Belfast. And jordon petterson is my hero 🎉thank you.
@Mebzy
@Mebzy 3 месяца назад
Represent
@305Independent
@305Independent 4 месяца назад
I swear I could watch these two talk all day
@cry_now_laugh_later
@cry_now_laugh_later 4 месяца назад
I know what you mean I am gay too
@Danzigsam
@Danzigsam 4 месяца назад
I know, right? For free, even.
@user-us3fy3tt1e
@user-us3fy3tt1e 4 месяца назад
Me too! I don’t know how to explain it, but it’s really captivating to see them both listen to each other. I feel like in general, others can’t keep up with them. This conversation feels inspiring and affirming; we are not crazy for refusing to partake in the new, hellish culture and having integrity will pay off 🥰
@_RavishingRaven_
@_RavishingRaven_ 4 месяца назад
Honestly same!
@knblibra
@knblibra 3 месяца назад
Agreed! My 2 favorite podcasters, listening to each other in an honest, good-faith discussion about what the hel! is wrong with the world and possibly how to fix it. Sign me up every single time.
@johnvetter1849
@johnvetter1849 4 месяца назад
A seminar on the Gospels!!! YES PLEASE
@actionottawa
@actionottawa 4 месяца назад
Go to Jordan’s RU-vid playlists on his profile and look for “The psychological significance of the biblical lectures” series. It’s one of the best free knowledge sources I’ve ever listened too on very similar subjects discussed on this podcast episode. It’s an in depth version of those topics. 👍
@christelwilk6166
@christelwilk6166 3 месяца назад
@@actionottawayes, they are pure gold
@LW-Isaiah40-60
@LW-Isaiah40-60 3 месяца назад
I'd like to see Dr Peterson continue with the old testament first to review the book of Isaiah and invite Rabbi Tovia Singer to the table to tap into his vast knowledge.
@ReshonBryant
@ReshonBryant 23 дня назад
Commenting for the algo😅
@tahah.babikir7698
@tahah.babikir7698 4 месяца назад
Doctor Peterson, you're always an inspiration to me. May God bless your legacy.
@danfontaine8179
@danfontaine8179 4 месяца назад
@@fog8969to err is human
@dmiles3270
@dmiles3270 4 месяца назад
Amen
@Xjhindx
@Xjhindx 4 месяца назад
@@fog8969to use Gods name in vein is a sin…we are all sinners, we all sin. God still blesses sinners
@sarahevans3622
@sarahevans3622 4 месяца назад
Me too! This man has pulled me out of the depths more times than I can count!
@sarahevans3622
@sarahevans3622 4 месяца назад
Me too! This man has pulled me out of the depths more times than I can count!
@jlaughlin1973
@jlaughlin1973 4 месяца назад
I thoroughly enjoy listening to both of these men and getting them together is incredible, even though I didn't understand a word of what they said.
@elizabeth84266
@elizabeth84266 4 месяца назад
I also love both of these guys and had a hard time following lol. But I’ll listen to it again bc I know they are speaking of very important topics, that I’ll benefit from understanding.
@Mrswig7
@Mrswig7 4 месяца назад
I feel the same way I enjoy listening. I have a hard time understanding they both use such intlegent words. I feel like the more I listen, the more understanding I get.
@Markburton86
@Markburton86 4 месяца назад
Same 😂
@haraldthi
@haraldthi 4 месяца назад
Yay! I too, find it much better to listen to people I really struggle to understand in hopes to understand at least half of it, than listen to drivel just because someone finds they earn more from aiming to a lowest common denominator. Few want to admit there are things we can't understand,sure enough. But the easy route will make us into idiots and losers, so perhaps it's better to struggle after all.
@von_2.0
@von_2.0 4 месяца назад
I commend you who have a hard time understanding because this shows you’re eager to learn. This is important and provides you with knowledge which is power. God bless you for your humility. Never change that virtue. Lean into it. ❤
@153bigfishes
@153bigfishes 4 месяца назад
I managed to watch (and understand) Ben Shapiro with 1.5x speed. I feel like a hero
@SouLightness
@SouLightness 4 месяца назад
😂😂😂
@Joao-uj9km
@Joao-uj9km 4 месяца назад
I'm a physics PhD student in South Brazil 🇧🇷. Some of my colleagues are in LLM's and I follow along, on a highly technical level whats going on with their evolution. Hearing JP speak about them is not only novel to me, but incredibly deep and logical. Which makes him a true genius to me. The guy is like as technical, deep and careful with his concepts, premises and logic as a pure mathematician or theoretical physicist are with their arguments. ❤
@anguslennon6859
@anguslennon6859 4 месяца назад
You speak fantastic English
@KaarinaKimdaly
@KaarinaKimdaly 4 месяца назад
Oppenheimer was a genius and Ted Kaczynski was a mathematical genius, too. I think they both also qualify as "deep" , and they both paid a heavy price for their depth. . . and so did others because of the use of the bomb in Hiroshima and Nagasaki, which I read was not necessary to use, since the Japanese were already going to surrender. Hubris Is an horrible vice. The ambition to advance academically with only one's cerebral intelligence without the balancing and centering of the truly human heart is a recipe for disaster.
@conhecimentoepoder9596
@conhecimentoepoder9596 4 месяца назад
🇧🇷👏👏
@zoorenard1101
@zoorenard1101 4 месяца назад
​@@KaarinaKimdalyyou seems like the type who hates lemonade cause its made out of citrus. Yes, theres some bad willed actors in the world, doesnt mean you have to lecture everyone for what others did.
@KevinS47
@KevinS47 4 месяца назад
I completely agree! I am doing my masters in theoretical at the moment!! Where are you from more specifically? Sao Paulo or more south of that?
@boristeka9515
@boristeka9515 4 месяца назад
Listening to this conversation literally makes you gain brain cells
@pi1810
@pi1810 4 месяца назад
This was really a good conversation. What a relief that it was not political. Thank you.
@takeeverythingin
@takeeverythingin 4 месяца назад
i'm an hour in and i don't see a conversation. i see Jordan on overdrive and Ben waiting to throw in a word or two, when allowed..
@jameslarge434
@jameslarge434 4 месяца назад
@@takeeverythinginTo be fair he’s talking about pretty complex things that I think require alot of time to talk about properly
@Tristangames699
@Tristangames699 3 месяца назад
@@takeeverythingin Peterson isn't interviewing Ben. He has ideas that he wants to throw at Ben and get his feedback/perspective, because he respects his perspective.
@chrishostetler3576
@chrishostetler3576 4 месяца назад
"There's nothing more cowardly than attacking the dead because even more than the unborn they can't defend themselves" JP
@alextheman3330
@alextheman3330 4 месяца назад
Men everywhere need to hear these 2 men talking!
@marycrawford9428
@marycrawford9428 4 месяца назад
Yes but don’t stop there. People everywhere need to hear these two men talking!
@phoenixreborn2907
@phoenixreborn2907 4 месяца назад
Amen. I got my tickets for his tour in Manchester, nh, on Monday. I'm so excited to see him speak and to find others around who are also intrigued by his knowledge and want to learn more.
@darrenpursuingtruth2895
@darrenpursuingtruth2895 4 месяца назад
Thank you to Jordan and Ben for sharing this thoughtful conversation. Thank you both for being a voice of reason and decency in these troubled times.
@sislau
@sislau 4 месяца назад
I remember when these two met (a Dave Rubin interview with both of them). Their friendship has blossomed over the years on several levels, and that's been so much fun to watch. To me, listening to their insanely intelligent delve at length into the topics discussed in this interview, this is listening to two genius friends bounce ideas off each other. It's at such a high level it's almost incomprehensible to the common man. What a treat that they shared this conversation with us.
@moonasha
@moonasha 4 месяца назад
very glad to see a more philosophy / psychology oriented episode, rather than a negative depressing politics episode.
@paulscott8656
@paulscott8656 4 месяца назад
Ha! Sister Meriam 😎
@wheatley9601
@wheatley9601 4 месяца назад
Yeah jp hit the nail on the head before when he said that Shapiro is wasted on politics, but the same is true of himself from time to time
@popo0129
@popo0129 4 месяца назад
I really liked that. I was expecting them to go over the state of the world right now mainly in American and Canada but what we got was something I feel way more necessary. Just going back on what these faiths teach and these philosophies is something that is necessary to understand deeply how horrible some of the current day events and the few people who unknowingly encourage more chaos are.
@aa333796
@aa333796 4 месяца назад
from time to time, it's nice to hear a discussion at such a high level, with two people who can formulate long, multi-level arguments that look deep into society and come to interesting conclusions.
@kathym.248
@kathym.248 3 месяца назад
And aren't we lucky to have them to listen to at our fingertips? Even when it's a bit challenging. They know society is a mess and they're putting themselves out there trying to help, making a huge difference.
@Supermoneygang12
@Supermoneygang12 Месяц назад
Not to be a dick, but Shapiro isn’t even playing in the same league as JP.
@sddfsfsfsd
@sddfsfsfsd 4 месяца назад
Dr. Peterson and his position about a humanities degree's purpose in life is what made me follow that route. I know how to make ends meet besides humanities, but humanities is what gives us an overarching view of the world.
@danielcicin3359
@danielcicin3359 3 месяца назад
The message these two are spreading is amazing. I wish as a Canadian that North America as a whole can get back to these core values and prosper once again.
@alejandrinahs
@alejandrinahs 4 месяца назад
Both intellectuals are impressively informative. As much as one can comment on what Ben Shapiro has to say, it cannot be argued he has a spectacular ability to listen.
@rouke3254
@rouke3254 3 месяца назад
That's because Ben knowns when he has something of value to gain from someone else. One could argue that JP is the father of modernism of our era.
@mind_symbol
@mind_symbol 4 месяца назад
it’s amazing to see Dr. Peterson’s progression as a podcaster, just as it is amazing to witness the formation of his ideas in real time. this is top tier content. ideas as complex as they are important, articulated with lethal precision. 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼
@zackwalker1721
@zackwalker1721 4 месяца назад
I absolutely agree that Peterson has a lot to offer. As far as what he's providing with this podcast specfically though, I think there's better examples of what Peterson has to offer. He's a lot better at talking than he is at talking to others if the distinction makes sense.
@Leo-mr1qz
@Leo-mr1qz 4 месяца назад
Always a pleasure to listen to these two scholars. Thank you. 😇
@BlackElephantProject
@BlackElephantProject 4 месяца назад
It’s good to see Jordan speaking with a black man about important cultural issues.
@tripslikstar
@tripslikstar 4 месяца назад
Winner 🏆 hahaha
@andrewappleby1295
@andrewappleby1295 3 месяца назад
Black people aren’t the only ones to ever have cultural issues of racism and segregation. Nor have they had it the worst
@NarrativeArcade
@NarrativeArcade 4 месяца назад
Absolute love the discussion surrounding stories and LLMs! Narrative is everything. That's how I view storytelling and how I break down stories. People are tricked by hyperreality portrayed in films and videogames, thinking their lives do not follow the dramatic arc or that it's somehow separate. The only difference is the amount of mundane activities in reality vs. hyperreality. Your life does not bend as sharply like a dramatic arc in a movie, but you are governed by the same principles that we screenwriters use. You either change your flaws or you go down with them. A story as old as humanity.
@Anicitakitchen
@Anicitakitchen 4 месяца назад
Please, bring Tomas Sowell to your Podcast, Dr. Peterson. Thanks!
@Shnap1337
@Shnap1337 4 месяца назад
Holy shit, he's alive?!
@Anicitakitchen
@Anicitakitchen 4 месяца назад
@@Shnap1337 Yessss
@Supermoneygang12
@Supermoneygang12 Месяц назад
We’re unbelievably lucky to have Dr. JP blessing us with this information for free on RU-vid. God bless this man. 😭 how many lives has he set on the path to redemption.
@caseyweatherwax7765
@caseyweatherwax7765 3 месяца назад
I'm going to be endlessly hoping you two continue onto a part 2 over these discussions from this parts ending chats to how you both had started. We are living out the end...🤕🙏
@verena11
@verena11 4 месяца назад
Thank you. I enjoyed this. No fighting, just two smart men listening to each other and learning from each other. Wouldn' t it be nice, if ppl did this more often. I learnt some things too.
@lacyhart7707
@lacyhart7707 4 месяца назад
My husband makes fun of me every time he hears the violin sounds start in your intro as I listen to you before bed. Good way to wind down. Thanks Dr. Peterson 💕
@edwardhorvath2256
@edwardhorvath2256 4 месяца назад
Cringe
@misterdeluxia5948
@misterdeluxia5948 4 месяца назад
@@edwardhorvath2256 how?
@lacyhart7707
@lacyhart7707 4 месяца назад
@@edwardhorvath2256 🤷🏼‍♀️ you’ll be ok
@recoveringsoul755
@recoveringsoul755 4 месяца назад
And it wakes him up? If someone is sleeping, why disturb them? These Are long videos
@lacyhart7707
@lacyhart7707 4 месяца назад
@@recoveringsoul755 lol it doesn’t happen often it’s just when he happens to hear it. He thinks it’s cute. Geez
@jkmasonryvideo
@jkmasonryvideo 3 месяца назад
Dr. Peterson and Mr. Shapiro - Thank you. This presentation is a magnificent example of the capacity for the conversation of two wise men to elevate ideas to a place 'greater than the sum of their parts.' Your willingness and ability to combine and share your individual reserves of comprehension, discernment, and wisdom, is a great blessing to all who will watch and listen. The presentation is exemplary of the very issues you are discussing: Face to face, meaningful conversation is the thing missing from and desperately needed by our modern society; Wisdom received from respected elders is better wisdom, precisely because the storyteller matters to the story; Virtual presence means actual absence; More screen time means the 'observer' suffers reduced comprehension, precisely because the absence of face to face interaction means only the observer's perspective is available to interpret the screen. With this conversation you are 'modeling' - the very 'modeling' and types of conversations you advocate - and your example utilizes the aforementioned 'screen' media in the most beneficial possible way, overcoming some of the screen's limitations by presenting your ideas through a process of each illuminating the others perspective through reflection, commentary, and exchange. Brilliant, a blessing, and Bravo! Perhaps you would consider doing the same together in a book?
@m.l.benson2055
@m.l.benson2055 4 месяца назад
My 22 yr old Son purchased VIP tickets for Himself, Me and my 20yr old daughter. A gift for my 47th Birthday! Tulsa Oklahoma venue... I am BEYOND Excited. In the past few years I have been "WRESTLING" with my own faith. Dr. Peterson, your EXODUS Series has Catapulted my understanding of the bible and its LESSONS forward at such a pace I find myself reading ALL things God, The Bible & the Trinity as fast as I am able. There are No words or amount of money that can express my gratitude. In addition Tammy 's story and her dedication to the Rosary has inspired me in a way I can't come close to describing. THANK YOU BOTH FROM THE DEPTHS OF MY SOUL❤
@summan41man
@summan41man 4 месяца назад
Hearing enthusiasm like this is my interpretation of the Holy Spirit. You have expressed your joy and gratitude in few words, and it has been ignited by the great man that is Jordan Peterson, and equally, if not more, importantly by your conscientious family. God bless you.
@markmartin7384
@markmartin7384 4 месяца назад
One of the most interesting talks in a while
@JonnyBeoulve
@JonnyBeoulve 4 месяца назад
First 15 minutes perfectly nails modern Western society.
@lindam7584
@lindam7584 4 месяца назад
The blessing during these times is the meeting of the “great minds “ and we the people are granted the opportunity to listen in. How beautiful. 🙏❤️
@kathym.248
@kathym.248 3 месяца назад
Yes, isn't that amazing? There is so much awful in our world, but to have access so readily to discussions at this level, both that they make themselves available and we have the technology to do it, is marvellous. If we're able to save ourselves it will be because of this.
@von_2.0
@von_2.0 4 месяца назад
This was such a great conversation. Pure gold ❤
@haywiretj
@haywiretj 4 месяца назад
Thank you for sharing these core values and insights about the fabric of society we live in today. I didn't understand all the technical jargon, or philosophical principles, but I expect from what I did understand, it is worthwhile to listen to this over a few times to learn the concepts, or Ben and Dr. Peterson wouldn't have spent their time elaborating in these venues. I believe these men are truly on the cutting edge of shaping the future, through elucidation of higher principles and moral values, in order to offset the fracturing and volatile course that is so apparent in politics, social media, and our education system.
@dzmitryluhauskoi6363
@dzmitryluhauskoi6363 4 месяца назад
Thank you, I’m extremely pleased with a level of discourse.
@Wissahickon
@Wissahickon 4 месяца назад
Jordan Peterson in the first 5 minutes: “Facts actually do care about your feelings”
@BrendonTristal
@BrendonTristal 4 месяца назад
So glad to see this subject coverered by a serious intellectual such as Jordan Peterson. Since childhood I have wished to communicate these things to others but lacked the vocabulary or "shared protocols" to do so
@swtblake
@swtblake 4 месяца назад
Thank you both so much for these conversations. You help me make connections that deepen my convictions.
@aaronlopez492
@aaronlopez492 4 месяца назад
Five minutes of Ben and Jordan my IQ feels like it's received a deep tissue massage. Thanks I feel so rejuvenated.
@edwardhorvath2256
@edwardhorvath2256 4 месяца назад
Cringe
@reeseseward9003
@reeseseward9003 4 месяца назад
@@edwardhorvath2256 Your so triggered your really going to every comment that likes Dr. Peterson and commenting the same thing lol get a life
@imhim94ivan
@imhim94ivan 4 месяца назад
@@reeseseward9003right, what a weirdo
@reeseseward9003
@reeseseward9003 4 месяца назад
@@imhim94ivan I mean really it's so pathetic it's almost hilarious family guy should do a bit about people like @edwardhorvath2256
@reeseseward9003
@reeseseward9003 4 месяца назад
@@imhim94ivan bro this little troll Edward is practically stalking Jordans page he is replying hate from comments 50 minutes ago all the way to 13 minutes ago lol just imagine him hovering over this video right now looking for the next comment to reply hate to lol
@CNote-lx3ws
@CNote-lx3ws 4 месяца назад
congratulations to Ben on his powerful ascent to the king of rap. Looking forward to the Collab with Dr. J. P.
@leannek8132
@leannek8132 4 месяца назад
Love you 2. Thank you so much for your efforts. Much love from a Canadian Christian.
@AB-mw7hd
@AB-mw7hd 4 месяца назад
Jordan and ben you are such an important people for our world it is so beautiful listening to you guys speak about christianity and judaism
@ruthyk7083
@ruthyk7083 4 месяца назад
Jordan and Ben are pointing directly to "Pilpul"/פילפול. And learning what wise and righteous leaders across generations say is the best way through the life.
@TimCCambridge
@TimCCambridge 4 месяца назад
👍👍 To sail the spiritual seas, the emphasis is not on the skill of the sailor, rather, it is their respect and love of the wind and waves.
@user-kn1jg6cs3y
@user-kn1jg6cs3y 4 месяца назад
There was so much discussed in this interview that I'm so glad I had the opportunity to listen to and to hear, because I've learned so much. And what I've learned is that, yes, I need a hierarchy of values, And, I need to know what those values are. Are they good, are they bad, are they insane, are they stupid, are they helpful, are they not? I've been spending a lot of time thinking through what my wants and needs are, but I also believe that I need to know what I value before I can get there. This interview has shined a light on another way for me to do that. I'm very grateful.
@adriankaschel4035
@adriankaschel4035 Месяц назад
Man I truly do appreciate both of these gentlemen.
@rc54
@rc54 4 месяца назад
I absolutely love hearing brilliant people, particularly when I am actually able to follow the concepts.
@LadyKheperaANKH999
@LadyKheperaANKH999 4 месяца назад
Dr. Peterson and Ben!!❤😂 Yayyyy! Love this, and loved {FACTS} with Tom MacDonald! What a treat for us All😊
@hexagram531
@hexagram531 3 месяца назад
Wondrous. Both guys bursting with wisdom and understanding. I thought all that stuff in the universities had to end up going somewhere!
@carlosue5472
@carlosue5472 4 месяца назад
I love listening to smart people talk to one another.
@duds1922
@duds1922 4 месяца назад
Sydney Australia is in dire need of Dr. Peterson's wise insights.
@edwardhorvath2256
@edwardhorvath2256 4 месяца назад
Cringe
@shawnwright5332
@shawnwright5332 4 месяца назад
👍🇨🇦
@3ZEBRA
@3ZEBRA 4 месяца назад
the whole world is, in my opinion
@GregoryShtevensh
@GregoryShtevensh 4 месяца назад
​@@edwardhorvath2256yep... all of Australia needs some wisdom and leadership, not just Sydney
@jim-se5xc
@jim-se5xc 4 месяца назад
Where's Christopher Hitchens when we need him? His dark humour. With these, im sure, well meaning, sincere, hand wringing, catastrophic bores. If you thank god for anything Jordan, you can thank the good lord Jesus that Hitchens isn't around today, available for an on camera chat. Praise the Lord.
@WalterPaulKomarnicki
@WalterPaulKomarnicki 4 месяца назад
please consider Sydney and Melbourne on your tour - we need to hear you, too!!
@beaniegirl55
@beaniegirl55 4 месяца назад
That would be awesome.
@damienlazar6103
@damienlazar6103 3 месяца назад
Surely show Perth some love too! 😅
@b.scroggins3522
@b.scroggins3522 4 месяца назад
I love Jordan. His voice, dialogue and insight.
@andyman3309
@andyman3309 4 месяца назад
Incredible conversation
@EdilbertoAriasRolon
@EdilbertoAriasRolon 4 месяца назад
Greetings from Asuncion ,Paraguay
@seankelly328
@seankelly328 4 месяца назад
Amazing conversation, Thanks Dr Peterson and Ben Shapiro 😊
@KonstantinDimitrov-
@KonstantinDimitrov- 3 месяца назад
Thank you for the quality content Mr. Peterson and Mr. Shapiro. You talk about things which 95+% of politicians don’t even think about. Take care. Greetings from Bulgaria.
@venetiansunrise481
@venetiansunrise481 4 месяца назад
Yes! I am very interested in your upcoming Gospel exploration!!!
@Charlessantos-ox8ju
@Charlessantos-ox8ju 4 месяца назад
I wish the best for you Jordan here from Brazil
@QCMaverick
@QCMaverick 4 месяца назад
Jordan & Ben Gem (1:16:00): People go to their elders on their own accord to seek their wisdom. In that model, people support their elders as they grow older. Once the states takes away this wisdom and the government turns it into power over their citizen, then the need of the new generation to rely on their elders is gone and you get a crumbling society where elders need assistance from the state to survive.
@rebeccaerb9935
@rebeccaerb9935 3 месяца назад
I enjoyed this discussion! Thankyou very much!
@venetiansunrise481
@venetiansunrise481 4 месяца назад
Excellent discussion! ❤ Wow! Weaving a path forward even for Sam Harris. And giving me such a view into how the Bible connects all these themes. I am so honored to have access to this conversation. Thank you. I've saved it and will listen again many times. You are a gift to the world, Dr. Peterson, and give me lots of personal guidance in my life.
@martinschulze5399
@martinschulze5399 4 месяца назад
As a computer scientist specialized in AI and probabilistic machine learning I have to confess that Peterson in one of the few who dont talk arbitary bullshit about what LLMs are but is right on the spot - to our current knowledge -. Now I'm curious if markov chains and other (old) mathematical methods were included in his studies back then or if he were studying such things in his leisure time (before the youtube career)
@LordRykard9376
@LordRykard9376 4 месяца назад
Social Science isn't super invested in Markov chains. It tends to rely on traditional regression or logistic models. I work heavily with AI and and NLP which is very very new to disciplines like Psychology and Sociology. I'm actually looking at using Markov Chains to potentially detect Mimetic conflict but it requires high amounts of relational data with temporality. Hard to come by.
@JordanBPeterson
@JordanBPeterson 4 месяца назад
I studied factor analysis which is in some sense a primitive version of AI and supervised a student working on early LLM models
@martinschulze5399
@martinschulze5399 4 месяца назад
​@@JordanBPeterson Really cool! I've seen famous OpenAI people calling LLMs the 'fast thinking' system and now they ponder how to build the slow thinking around it, using Reinforcement learning subsystems or external systems that the LLM can query via attention mechanisms. And while from an engineering perspective this makes a lot of sense, I personally think that is not correct analogy to the real brain. That is why I liked your statement much more to just claim what it is in a formal way and not interpreting more into it as we currently know it is. I'm currently looking into environment representations, self-localization and mapping (Graph SLAM) and to connect that as an asynchronously working system to LLMs to have a continually learning spatially grounded system that resembles a little bit more the brain (Hippocampal place ?). Then the LLM could also use that graph structure to reason over spatial memories and during the reasoning (reinforcement learning or ontology-reasoning algorithms) discover new connections. What I like about this is: I steal tons of ideas from actual neuroscience and apply them in a very, very loose way. Downside: not so much formalism and hard science.
@LordRykard9376
@LordRykard9376 4 месяца назад
@martinschulze5399 incredibly fascinating. Is this a graph-LLM hybrid? I've never heard of it. Is there a particular python library you're using? Thanks for the education!
@chrys77cross
@chrys77cross 4 месяца назад
Lucky duck. It is a bucket list item of mine for Dr. Peterson to respond to one of my comments!
@garrettjones8576
@garrettjones8576 4 месяца назад
I love these two. Arguably two of the most important voices of our time. Having said that, sometimes these conversations are so far beyond my capacity to follow. Currently 31 minutes into this conversation and it's a struggle. Lol. I'm trying...
@zackwalker1721
@zackwalker1721 4 месяца назад
Jordan has a tendency to take 6 connecting flights when he could've flown direct. It can be worth something for him to give you all the context and nuance of his thought process if he's lecturing you, but it doesn't lend itself as well to conversation which at least in theory is what this is supposed to be. Even if you can listen to, and understand every one of the 6 connecting flights that he took when he could've gone direct, you can''t address all of them in equal detail, so they just single out 1 of the 6 flights meaning that the other 5 were pointless to the overall conversation.
@isaacetim6238
@isaacetim6238 4 месяца назад
Try listening while do something like cleaning out the garage, or yard work for example, it really becomes enjoyable
@Handsoffthekids
@Handsoffthekids 4 месяца назад
Even if you pick up a few things it will be worth the time.
@zoorenard1101
@zoorenard1101 4 месяца назад
​@@zackwalker1721context and nuances are important. I uderstand that its a lot for the common people (im one of them) but hes trying to explain the why of the what. To understand the answer, you need to understand the equation
@kathym.248
@kathym.248 3 месяца назад
I have to take little breaks. And that's fine.
@stevoo3237
@stevoo3237 20 дней назад
Two of the most intellectual minds of our time having a long form conversation, this video gets a like before I even watch it but show does almost all of Jordan Peterson's and Ben Shapiro's videos that I watch lol
@sebastianalegria3401
@sebastianalegria3401 4 месяца назад
The more I listen to Peterson, the wiser I feel, so there should be more people like him on this Earth if we want a society more educated and less ignorant. Regarding Shapiro, I'm not a fan of Ben, but I'm glad Jordan invited him on his podcast to talk about some topics, which tend to divide us as a society. Therefore, these sort of conversations are worth seeing once in your life.
@Breathoffreshair88
@Breathoffreshair88 4 месяца назад
Fantastic interview I wish there were more people to talk with that speak this language it’s so refreshing 🙏
@Dustyssoapbox
@Dustyssoapbox 4 месяца назад
Well done Dr. Peterson. Hope to see you in the spring when you come through the south!
@Mike-gl6bk
@Mike-gl6bk 4 месяца назад
1 minute in. I love your content Dr ! I am very thankful to have role model like you.
@howardbethyname
@howardbethyname 3 месяца назад
The last 10-15 mins of this conversation should be heard by every person on earth and our problems will be solved.
@XKietseroX
@XKietseroX 4 месяца назад
I love that Jordan’s channel is going along with the “BEN SHAPIRO DESTROYS” joke on the thumbnail, you love to see it lol
@kimberleighdemott44
@kimberleighdemott44 4 месяца назад
I love this. Thank you for this wonderful podcast.
@edshipman8814
@edshipman8814 4 месяца назад
Hopefully one of these days im gonna shake your hand to thank you n yours for all the help. Peace n Love
@r.davidyoung7242
@r.davidyoung7242 4 месяца назад
Brilliant conversation. Thank you.
@wazer85
@wazer85 4 месяца назад
❤ always a joy to watch a long discussion between these two intellectuals
@ChristopherJWeeks
@ChristopherJWeeks 4 месяца назад
C. S. Lewis wrote a book on this whole discussion, it was the story of his Christian walk, "A Pilgrims Regress." In that book he explians how the philosophical schools all fell short in explaining what is. Only the Christian narrative, dying to self, gives explaination of all human desires and meaning. It is exactly what these two are struggling to put clear understanding to.
@ChristopherJWeeks
@ChristopherJWeeks 4 месяца назад
C. S. Lewis wrote his story based on "Pilgrim's Progress" but it was his post-modern take called "A Pilgrim's Regress" - it was written opposite of Bunyun's tale where his encounter with Christ comes after all of his philisophical meanderings. Where Pilgrim's Progress begins with an encounter with Christ.@@fog8969
@fotoyartefotoyarte1044
@fotoyartefotoyarte1044 4 месяца назад
What does "dying to self" mean?
@DoubleOhSilver
@DoubleOhSilver 4 месяца назад
​@@fotoyartefotoyarte1044 giving up your will to the greater good (God's will). Dying to yourself = sticking to your passion (following the Lord) to the point where you would die for it, like a martyr, except the one you'd be dying to is yourself. Also could be described as aligning your will to that of God's will.
@grolmidri7759
@grolmidri7759 4 месяца назад
The Pilgrim’s Regress by C S Lewis in 1933. And then there is Pilgrim’s Progress by John Bunyan written in 1678.
@kofiandy_
@kofiandy_ 4 месяца назад
​@@grolmidri7759thank you.
@coldmoonlight6361
@coldmoonlight6361 4 месяца назад
How generous of the #1 rapper in the world to share his time conversing with you
@robertgruber4361
@robertgruber4361 4 месяца назад
Great stream. Thank you both for your wisdom and time.
@OrthodoxRabbiBillClinton
@OrthodoxRabbiBillClinton 4 месяца назад
Really cool to see Jordan dipping his toes in different areas not just the political scene. Congrats on having the #1 rapper in America on 💯
@KaarinaKimdaly
@KaarinaKimdaly 4 месяца назад
Bill Clinton is not an Orthodox Rabbi, you creator of chaos.
@kbeetles
@kbeetles 4 месяца назад
This was energising, intellectually and spiritually! - thank you!
@richardsmith7131
@richardsmith7131 3 месяца назад
I must say I'm now a fan of this podcast, Jordan Peterson !
@danielhoven570
@danielhoven570 4 месяца назад
You cannot have legends without Bards
@johnheart6890
@johnheart6890 4 месяца назад
I am going to buy his book for sure!
@debranadeau6305
@debranadeau6305 4 месяца назад
can't wait for the next seminar! I was thinking maybe Isaiah, but the Gospels, WOW!!😍😍
@ExecutiveZombie
@ExecutiveZombie 4 месяца назад
Beautiful conversation 🙏🏽
@zachmorgan6982
@zachmorgan6982 4 месяца назад
I cant believe jordan is interviewing the top rapper in the country
@matthewgreenawalt439
@matthewgreenawalt439 4 месяца назад
Good talk. Grateful to you both and that everything you discussed made good sense to me. Praise God
@Peaceable75
@Peaceable75 4 месяца назад
Seeing “Rapper” in the description for Ben makes me joyous. I’m waiting for the second single to drop with him playing violin while Nicki Minaj duets.
@victorygarden556
@victorygarden556 4 месяца назад
Jbp, Ben, nicki Absolute banger in the making
@janisgrava7884
@janisgrava7884 4 месяца назад
Isnt she part of the system?
@user-eu1mf3zt6f
@user-eu1mf3zt6f 4 месяца назад
I believe in you, Jordan Peterson!
@Puckpenn
@Puckpenn 3 месяца назад
I love this! Goes real deep and I’ve been fiending that
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