Heel Toe Technique Double Bass - A Beginners Guide 

Try dropping ur heel while playing singles

Which part?

same I think I have played too long with just the top palm of my foot...using my heel feels very unnatural but we all start building muscle memory somewhere...even if it's very very slow and focused..because there's no way I'll ever be able to play the speeds I want to with just my foot..I need this technique

Does your seat have to be higher than normal so your knees are below your thigh?

I'm suuuper uncoordinated with heel toe. Always played heel doen

Wonderful! Glad to be of any help 🤘

Did pretty much the same. Got a Nitro Mesh but instead of buying the lame expansion kit I went a step further and bought another complete kit to combine both together. Here's a tutorial on how to get it done in case you wanna do the same. ;) m.ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-G3ixwmIYPc8.html

That's great! Thanks so much for sharing.

@@CameronFleury btw, all the splitters aren't necessary at all if you have 2 modules and link them together via MIDI etc...

You are so welcome!

Glad to hear you found what works best for you. This way isn't for everyone, and of course we all have different ways of playing something that ironically provides us with mostly the same result. Thanks for the insightful comment!

You are welcome!

Glad it was helpful!

Happy to help!

You're very welcome!

I got my axis pedals yesterday and I really don't understand how the heel down part works. In the demonstration on the floor he put the heel on the floor, but that just doesn't make sense to me. What are some things you can recommend?

I'm not sure what you mean?

@@CameronFleury pretty simple brother in drums, assuming that you have four beats two from your right foot and two from your left, You did so far 1 and 2 from your right foot and 3 and 4 from your left. What would happen if with the same technique you give 1 and 3 from your right foot and 2 and 4 from your right foot ? Assuming of course that the speed of the doubles is the same ... pretty much what Jazz drummers do with the push pull technique to play incredibly fast singles ... the result with a simple math is the double speed ...

@@CameronFleury imagine four soldiers standing and having in between them a distance of 1 meter. The first two wear red suits and the last two green. These are the four beats I mention ... what I mean is to take the first green soldier and place it in between the two red soldiers right in the middle and the last green soldier to be placed again at 50 cm from the last red soldier ... This will result optically in one red one green one red and one green also occupying way less space. Now technically imagine this footage: Right foot start to do the heel stroke, while it retreats for the toe stroke your left right in the middle gives it's heel stroke, then it comes the toe from your right and then the toe from your left in the speed you already was doing one double with your right foot, so as with the soldiers example we reduced the space and in notes this mean higher speed ...

If you watch Wanja’s channel, he does a heel toe -ish motion for single strokes

Axis longboards

Wow, thanks!

Happy to help!

Thanks so much!

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Try listening to Slaughter to prevail!

Just did a video on this: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-91CE46j8KiQ.html

The way some of these tutorials are worded can be confusing, you dont need your heel to touch the pedal at all so your foot size is irrelevant

@@AlexG-wk3nh thank you

If you download the exercise PDF you can just switch the lead foot from Right Foot to Left Foot.

I feel the same way. I have a 9002 pedal and size 11 feet. I cannot get anything usable withe the heel toe method. I recently tried a cheap Pearl 932 longboard double pedal and I definitely could get some of the movement going. Obviously, that pedal was a step down overall from the 9002, but I felt like between the heel-less design and longer pedal it was more advantageous for double strokes.

Heel Toe Heel toe. Mind you, a lot of drummers play different variations of this technique, so there's no right or wrong way technically speaking.

@@CameronFleury Gotcha. But playing at speed 16th notes you should play doubles with each foot. RRLLRRLLRRLL.

Thanks!

Thanks for the heads up!

@@CameronFleury wait you changed the title and thumbnail ?

I've got one question for you about that. How fast do you need to able to play? When you remove those two elements (batter head tension, and triggers) hearing double strokes becomes much more difficult. You can still use this technique and make it audible, to a degree. I'd suggest looking into the foot sliding technique or just simply play the heel toe motion on the footboard. Hopefully this helps you on your journey!

@@CameronFleury Thanks. That makes sense. I am probably not operating above 16th-notes at around 160bpm and it is almost never a steady stream. Mostly groupings of 16ths, etc., within the groove or fill.

oh ALSO,... when you do double strokes,.. does each foot complete a double stroke before the other foot starts, or are the double strokes integrated... does that make sense?

Without shoes it might hurt a little bit because of the force you're using onto the pedal. The technique might have to be adjusted slightly because of the difference in feel without the shoes. Try it out for yourself and pay attention to the subtleties and changes with and without shoes on. When you do double strokes, each foot plays two consecutive notes. Much like when you're playing double strokes with your hands. Hand 1 plays two notes, then hand 2 plays two notes. Hopefully that makes sense!

RRLL when playing heel toe. 🤘

@@CameronFleury thanks so much!

Absolutely!

If You use chains pedal You must find the pedals setting because its difficult use heel toe technique not using direct pedal board

My foot / balls of my toes. Basically pushing straight down.

Got it!! Great video!! Thanks!!

You can try to play with socks first to feel the motion... Also, check spring tension (70 to 80%) and the distance between the kick drums and the beaters. They should go around 35-45 degrees. Play around and see how you feel. It's important to learn the technique but also the pedal setup.

Just their technique.

Thanks

@@CameronFleury this video is dope, helped me alot with learning Double strokes and nowdays I can go 270bpm. So good shit 😎🤙

I'll have to make a video on that for all of you with a similar setup!

​@@CameronFleurydid you ever do this? Would also be interested

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1,000,000 years.

Everyone is different! Depends how much time you put into it. :)

I think axis longboard

They're the axis AL 2's!

They're Low Boy Beaters - Lightweight bass drum beaters.

You might be thinking of the swivel technique!

I have leaned a little forward when I increase tempos (well atleast for me from 140 to 160 BPM) . Things definitely get a little tricky . I wanted to ask if there is a way to get clean 16th note triplets ?

@@dbmdrums1105 learn heel toe

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Thanks for watching!

I've tried. You don't find it to be hard on your feet?

@@CameronFleury no, don't have any issues. Although when I used a Roland KD-10 kick pad in the beginning - I did get some bruising on my heels (slamming against edges of the pedals), especially when I played a lot... so I guess it's possible... Pedals (rough edges, etc), settings and technique probably affect things, as well as how much / how intense you are playing. Also the surface - I have a soft carpet and some extra padding underneath for noise isolation -- maybe it helps as well.

Of course! Not intended for everyone 🤓

If you could share your experience with of all us that would be great!