HEINLEIN'S EARLY SCIENCE FICTION MOVIES - Destination Moon & Project Moon Base. 

Might be on YT somewhere.

@@terrytalksmovies Both the original and the MST3K version.

@@creech54 there you go!

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Possibly, though I think Starship Troopers loves its (satirical) fascism a little too much.

@@terrytalksmovies very true

I was real disappointed in Starship Troopers. The novel was solid, it was filled with outside-the-frame ideas and perspectives, I reread it a number of times and spent real time thinking about it. One of the most philosophically challenging things I’ve ever read, it influenced my thinking, if not my opinions or sense of reality. Verhoeven is a teller of transgressive stories, and I have to say that I sympathize with his baleful look at it; I also kinda don’t appreciate it; the men who came home from WW2 were badly damaged & caused more damage, but I remember my dad & my friends dads, and neighbors, and they were like gods to us: scary, powerful, unpredictable, dangerous…but also heartbroken, lost, afraid, and desperate to hide it all, and the stories of death and struggle and loss and victory and horror, of chivalry and honor, of some hope for an honest purpose served. That and the hippie enlightenment created the me that read Troopers @14, w/ Viet Nam not yet on the radar, before I learned I’d never be an astronaut, and part of my wrestling was in coming to terms with these terrible, terribly sad, terribly dangerous men, what growing up in their world did to me, and what I learned from them. As much as I dislike so much of it, the film doesn’t mischaracterize the book - it gelds it. What didn’t make it onto the screen was what made the book hold together: the actual perspective of a soldier in war, which Heinlein himself was - of that same generation. We’ve all been holding it together, in a sense, by trying to reconcile the struggles of that generation with the world they built afterward; the ideals and principles of the victors with the corruption and profiteering that’s become standard business in most of the world. We still dance in and cope with the world they made - we may be seeing their arc playing out it’s final act in Ukraine. In that effort to reconcile, Verhoeven turn on the lights, and showed us a hollowed-out husk, stripped to symbols and stirring phrases, rolling on under its own momentum. I definitely didn’t like it, but I think that was his point. Puppet Masters ended up stripped of its communist-menace context for the movie, which I thought would be weirder than it was, but I think they made a workable movie of it. They kept a great deal of what made the book so effective.

@@terrytalksmovies Heinlein was a USNA grad who was medically discharged for TB. His brother was an Army Reserve Brigadier General. So, he saw great value in military service.

I have no problem with Woody Woodpecker. Love it as a kid.

Tintin and the movie were more or less simultaneous.

Quoting Heinlein is something people should grow out of, like zits. 😉

Like many things, fine in moderation, annoying when done to excess. 🙂

My pleasure.

Totally agree, Jared. It's an important part of SF film history.

My pleasure.

Yep. Try Project Moonbase. It's also on RU-vid.

She's a random agent of chaos.

She appears in my videos more often, In her agent of chaos role. I do crafting videos though so there is more trouble for her to get into!

@@MiddleAgedGeekGrrrl Good to know. I will check it out.

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I'd prefer it to happen with less annoyance 😀

Thanks.

Second is not as good I think. OK to see as I think they are trying for a trilogy. Watch the end credits 😉

Iron Sky was hilarious, especially their reaction to the calculator's in the iPhone 😁

You can have sweet without sour. That's why rum and raisin ice cream exists. 😀

@@terrytalksmovies Lol 😂 . I stand corrected.

Yep. Inevitably in real life things go wrong and good science fiction can predict that.

Heinlein was an EE major from Annapolis, so he had a bit more of an engineering background than a science one, but he had a good idea about how tecn.hnology worked in practice with large complex equipment..

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Yes, enjoyed Friday myself. You can get an Audio Book if you want on YouYube 👍

The downbeat ending of Rocketship X-M has become even more powerful because of what happened since

@@erikramaekers63 I was saddened by the ending of XM, having the rocket crash without trying to save it by going into orbit around the earth.

He went to USNA when it was all-male, it usually did not make guys into Alan Alda or something. (I went to VMI when it was all-male, so I speak from experience . . . .)

Strange they aren't available.

@@terrytalksmovies They aren't available in Bluray. But,there are many DVD....just sky high in price or a different region. I have two multi region players. The cost is the only hold up for me. Here's hoping that company was listening to your request,LOL!

I'm in the US, have a copy of _Destination Moon_ I think I picked up for like $5 in a "Bargain Bin". I'll have to check which version it is, who released it, etc. I don't think I've ever seen _Project Moonbase_ in my entire life (I'm 63) but would like to at least watch it once. Good luck, I hope you can find a copy of _Destination Moon_ for your region AND at a decent price!

@@jacks7561 I hope they do, too. Imprint are region free blu rays, too, so if you can afford it, buy them.

Cool. You should also check out the other Raid, the one starring Iko Uwais. 😀

True but Colonel Breene is a nutter.

Hayden Rourke deserved better roles. Homophobia limited his options.

@@terrytalksmovies He had the I Dream of Jennie part for 5 years, so he had a bit of success. René Auberjonois talked about the 5 years he spent on Benson being real time he had for his family, so a long stint on a series like that can be a boon for any actor.

@@terrytalksmovies I wonder if Dr. Bellows having awards and decorations that were so exceptional (it is rare that Flight Surgeons would be Master Aviators and rare for any Aviator or a Doctor to also be qualified as a Missile officer) was sort of a hint that Rourke was over-qualified for the role?

@@johnminehan1148 Could be. He definitely was overqualified.

DM needed that touch of humanity that was lacking in the final product. Shame it didn't get included.

@@terrytalksmovies About 24 of the script's 130 page script was shot and deleted. Cargraves's spend an evening with kids at barbecue in yard watching skyrockets/fireworks---2 of the 3 kids want to be pilots some day. The General and Barnes visit and talk "space" and their hoped-for rocket plans over hamburgers and such. One nice scene little later is between Cargraves and his wife as they are going to bed: He has opened the bedroom blinds to let in the moonlight, after just promising her that he will only be building the rocket, not get in it and go to the moon, which she is utterly terrified about. He's assured her, but when he lies down, she goes to sleep, but he lays awake staring at the moon through the window, ...thinking.

That was probably because of the sfx limitations. Too close would review wires and rear projection glitches.

I agree. It does seem very needed and, logically, it really doesn't make much overt sense as even just a single such shot would've been relatively easy to do since they had the miniature against a space backing in the "float-away sequence. Moving the starfield a bit, slowly to the left while the ship model pointed to the right (ie the screen direction to which the flight path is oriented for the sake of simple visual storytelling), giving it a bit of movement toward the right would've been about as basic and inexpensive an effect that could've been done. Actually I have the shooting script here and some of the notes/maybe time to see if this was planned but dropped. This was a really inexpensively-made movie so even something simple had to be accounted for...and a tiny overage in some department might've meant, simply, that something had to be cut, like a shot that might've been deemed not absolutely necessary.

My pleasure. The jockey comment occurred to me the second time I watched it.

At the time they worked with what they had. Tiny models may have been a budgetary compromise.

@@terrytalksmovies Yes indeed. But that shot was ill-advised and probably better left on the cutting room floor in my opinion, since it's a laugh that, to me undercuts some otherwise pretty competent, acceptable model work. I first saw this on tv at age 6 in 1954 and thought it hilarious (also didn't lik the t-shirts and shorts). Production not ba over all, all things considered, as you point out. I spoke to Jaques Fresco some years ago, he who created the models in that film. He'd been working on the script with Heinlein, a more elaborate concept, but said the producers fiddled with it and messed up what started as a really smart, higher-end project, not an uncommon complaint. I don't believe that anything of that earlier version of the script survived, so that what is left is entirely Heinlein's work. It was great to see some coverage on this semi--forgotten early effort. I really appreciated your evaluation and even-handedness in the review (as you always display, which is so refreshing).

They're dumb fun and have a great audacity about them.

I would love to see these two movies get the Terry treatment. Just the way they manage to exist, gives me hope that when I win the lottery...

Yep and important in genre film history.

The First Spaceship On Venus had next level production design.

@@terrytalksmovies It was always my favorite Rocket design. Remember the jumping "memory chips" in the cave? I just saw on the internet how they designed a one legged hopping robot. lol

@@IvorPresents originality is always fun in these movies.

Hi Mauricio's ginger cat. Luna waves. 😀

I did Predestination and The Door Into Summer already. Check out the science fiction playlist on the channel.

@@terrytalksmovies Sorry. Will do.

Like the movie Puppet Masters, pretty close to the book, which I enjoyed, Starship Troopers, movie, didn't like, book loved reading 👍

@@55Quirll The director didn't get passed the first chapter before he stopped reading. He though it was right-wing trash (what he had read of it). How do you adapt a book you haven't read, says I?

@@cessnaace You should read it!

You're my kind of ill if you are.

At last someone got that reference. 😀

Cool!😀

Truthtelling about the past is the first step to healing and growth.

Yep. That works for me.

I can add it to the list. 😀

@@terrytalksmovies Cool.

Okay.

So adult material, huh?

@@terrytalksmovies Uh...Yup. 77 Worldcon in Miami. No names.

@@wadeheaton123 fair enough. I've done interesting things at Worldcon myself.

I completely agree. Conquest of Space has a weird plot, apart from Rosemary Clooney.

That covers it. The sexism rankles from a modern perspective.

Thanks Carl. Heinlein was complex and about 50% problematic from a modern viewpoint but yeah, he was also ahead of the curve in some ways. Definitely a 20th Century man.

Okay.

@@terrytalksmovies great videos is all.

The Lucasfilms franchise?

@@terrytalksmovies I won't confirm or deny, but yes.

@@DansTravels5823 you're on the side of the angels, mate.

He might've. It wouldn't take much time with the amount used.

It's definitely the lesser of the two.

The book is better. In it, the protagonist isn't a white person.

The military service > voting rights thing is incredibly ableist as an idea. It smacks of political eugenics. I hope your nation heals but it will take a long time. 😀

Yep. Perspective was difficult for them. But they definitely did well with the limited resources.

The movies were crowdfunded so they have that cobbled together feel.

@@terrytalksmovies Oh, I had no idea, I just saw it on TV once and thought 'what the heck is this?!?'

IKR? Infantilising the Major.

@@terrytalksmovies It's like something you would call your horse.

Nope. Ayn Rand was on welfare when she died.

Ironic, that…

I'm sure I did a long time ago but I can't find the video right now.

@@terrytalksmovies ´Virality TeeVee *coughcough*

Sounds fun. I like Iron Sky and the sequel.

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Dick is a solid writer whose work is often badly interpreted in cinema.

@@terrytalksmovies thanks my phone said actor. I meant wrighter.

. . . in 1950.

Cool!

I know my people, mate. 😉

It would be great to get a restoration but it sounds like a monumental task.

Fortunately history moves on. The first American woman in space was a lesbian. 😀 Way... Way Out is weird. I don't like many Jerry Lewis movies. The humour is kinda obvious.

@@terrytalksmovies Yes, but had that been known Judith Resnik would have probably been the first American woman in space. The reason Judith Resnik wasn't picked for the title was Sally Ride was better at dealing with the press and public.

@@rsacchi100 those decisions get made all the time. Communication of the science was incredibly important.

@@terrytalksmovies "The Fifth Element" borrowed some of the humor from "Way... Way Out".

I've reviewed both Predestination and The Door Into Summer. Check the Science Fiction playlist.

Door Into Summer is available on Netflix USA

Thanks for that. Maybe it's because I love cats, but Door into Summer is one of my all-time favourite Heinlein books. I must find the movie, but I am sad to hear of the language problem. I did consider Petronius as a pseudonym, but Morbius won. Must locate your review.

I distrust unaccountable capitalism.

I like freedom. I don't need people like Joe Biden deciding what innovators can and cannot do because they're not getting their cut. Have a good one.

He is. Billionaires are all idiots. They grab more than they can ever use.

Especially since today Musk said he'd let Drumpf back on Twitter.

@@terrytalksmovies It's not a matter of just "grabbing" it. Often it's the business plan and providing the right product or service at the right time. That doesn't make a person an idiot, usually the opposite, and the same kind of business model is used by people who are not as successful, yet do well. They aren't idiots. Anyway, many of them are philanthropic and nobody can take it with them. The issue some have with Elon Musk isn't that he made lots of $$ from electric cars, it's his takeover of Twitter and the ideological reaction to it from all sides.

@@themoviemaniac8416 platforming the orange oligarch is a bad move. Musk is dangerous because nobody can say no to him. He has great power but no checks and balances. That's a threat.

@@terrytalksmovies That wasn't the comment I responded to. That's a strawman argument. Trump has his own platform regardless.

I'll check it out, Jerry, but please don't tout for subscribers for other channels. It can damage my channel if you do.

@@terrytalksmovies thanks boss I'm just a MARVEL fan and the guy needs help. I'm sorry. I have no dog in the fight.

Paid for by Musk whose wealth depends on Chinese workers making Teslas in twelve hour shifts and who are so exhausted they sleep in the factory. Great business model, that one.

@@terrytalksmovies .......how long has THAT been going on? Does it have anything to do with COVID measures?

@@pendox99 nope, just business as usual for Musk.

@@terrytalksmovies , it looks like the 12 hour shifts/sleeping at the plant are an attempt to keep COVID out of the plants and therefore everyone employed. These requirements did not exist before the pandemic.

Not a fan of Starship Troopers. Too enthusiastic in its fascism for the satire to land well.

Sky Sharks? OK not the way I thought the third one was going. Have to check that out. There were also those two zombie undead movies. Second is great fun. All 4 for a weekend vidiveg with friends alcohol and burnt meat ...

Private government is historically a bad system…we mostly call them monarchies & tyrannies…which is WHY and HOW the US got the governmental structure we have. I went through a serious Anarchist phase, for sure, but the new-feudalist, private-government enthusiasts disrupting things here have shown me just how vulnerable we are to having ‘distrust of government’ twisted away from us & used against us. That 30% of our pop. have been convinced of a destabilizing lie shows (to me) the danger of distrusting “government”…as opposed to distrusting the *people we PUT* in government - in large part because it’s eroded the very idea of ‘the public’ itself. Apologies, Terry…none of this was about film

@@charliemoody7168 no problem, comrade. Sometimes we need to vent our feelings. 😀

Pal is incredibly underrated in the history of science fiction cinema.

@@terrytalksmovies I absolutely agree. I always felt cheated that we never got the "After Worlds Collide" move he'd wanted to make.

@@mahatmarandy5977 so many of Pal's groovy projects didn't happen.

@@terrytalksmovies I know! It's nowhere near an Orson Welles-level waste of potential, but it still makes me sad

Putting nuclear reactors in the ships would obviate SOME of the weight issues. Maybe enough. As for the spanking, there were a lot of kinky AF screenwriters in the 20th Century.

My pleasure, Jerry.

Musk was hardly a poor kid. His father owned an emerald mine in South Africa. Thanks for the kind words, too Pierre. Keep the faith, mate.

I'm sure I would've done much better if my father had owned a South African emerald mine which I inherited (ala Musk) instead of spending his time beating me like a gong. You fanbois are deeply amusing. Musk makes cars for rich people and rockets for richer ones and yet half of the proletariat think he's the Second Coming. Maybe this channel isn't for you.

Musk is a problem. He's allowing the orange oligarch back onto Twitter.

@@terrytalksmovies ... peas in a pod.