@@LaserTractorit’s a ceremonial gun. it’s a “this gun has less stats than the senator” gun. it’s the “i actually beat the mission with this dogshit weapon” gun. if you don’t find it funny that’s fine
@@LaserTractorthey made it the worse gun in the game on purpose as a joke, if you don’t understand the meme in that then you aren’t familiar with hell divers humor This gun wasn’t meant to be used a an actual weapon, its literally called a “ceremony weapon” as in, ITS FOR SHOW This gun is the “I got more kills than you with a meme” “We beat level 10 using a meme weapon” “Let’s see if we can win with only turrets and a meme gun” This a fun gun, it was never meant to be a good gun
@@miemsliva4464 the movement tech can also be used with other HD1 guns with bayonets attached and i doubt this melee-assisted movement will translate into HD2. The HD1 Constitution also had piercing bullets by default while other guns had to pick said piercing bullets as an upgrade. So it's not meta compared to other HD1 guns in that aspect either. You should however mention the chain-reload timing like you can do with the pump shotguns.
Way more satisfying on bots, watching devastator heads pop using it is great, and the bayonet can actually take down every unit but factory striders and bile titans if you're brave enough. People complaining about it being outclassed by the other marksmen rifles really need to look at what it is, a ceremonial rifle, not a combat rifle.
@@goeijmejisju1510 And yet it's a game, not real life. It's meant to be fun. They could easily make it more viable and fun without making it "meta". I mean ffs It's a bolt action rifle in a horde shooter game it is impossible to make it meta but at least make it better than the senator...
@@BIGGIECLYDE116 To complain about a joke weapon being a joke weapon is silly. I'll be taking it regardless because it's funny when some guy yells into his mic "fix bayonets", then runs at berserkers to get diced into little pieces.
@@goeijmejisju1510 I love the gun. I want it to be better than it is. Why is that bad? The senator is better in every way bar the bayonet. I'm literally running it right now doing the same thing lol. I just want the game to be fun, this gun will be forgotten very fast if it's gonna be worse than the senator. It doesn't have to be better than the other rifles, but it should be good. I could argue the senator is a joke weapon because why the hell would we use a revolver when semi auto pistols and laser technology exist. TLDR it will never be meta but come on it doesn't have to be bad just because it's a "Ceremonial rifle"
The constitution has done a great job in exposing a lot of the vocal helldivers community. The constitution is not meta it doesn't have to be meta. What it is, though, is fun. A lot of fun. Had a whole team of randos dressed in Groundbreaker armor and the field chemist helmet equipped with the Constitution, the Senator and thermite grenades. It was extremely satisfying bayonet charging a charger and stabbing it to death. Not the smartest thing but it was a blast. Found out that you can kill a charger with 4-6 melee stabs to the front legs. To add to the fun we had a very British fellow calling out line orders. It is dumb. It is not "viable" on the highest levels of difficulty. But, as you said many times in your video, it is fun. Something I feel a lot of the vocal community has forgotten how to have.
It's not just not meta, it literally has no niche, it is statistically worse than the other marksman rifles in every way. Wouldn't it be more fun if it was buffed to actually be useful so it has it's own role? I don't understand this mindset at all.
@@BusyWaitingyou forget the unholy amount of ammo it has sure its rounds reload, but that means that reloading it is very ammo efficient, and on top of that supply boxes can restore a significant amount of ammo. The high damage and amazing ammo economy definitely warrants its downsides. It’s not meta, but it’s just fun.
@@henrydimmock2691 I wouldn't say it's an unholy amount... the counter sniper only has the same amount of ammo, and is better in every single way. They could easily make this thing more fun, without making it "meta". It's a horde shooter, it's pretty much impossible to make a bolt action meta. If they just gave it high pen and a bit more damage it would be fun to use without being busted.
At first we had "skill issue" gang. And now we have "Everything should have armor pen 5" whining gang Only good solution I can think of is adding another bolt action rifle to the game, but fully futuristic with massive damage, modern magazine, good scope etc In many games there are intentionally weak weapons, like Kolibri in battlefield 1 or even pistol in Doom 2016. It is really fun to make a suboptimal weapon/character/tactic/etc. work If you care only about ez wins, play meta and let the rest of ppl have fun
@@NoIns1ght I'm not asking him why it is worse. I was asking him why he thinks a revolver should be better than a full-length rifle just because it is old.
Let's say you get like a big Mac at McDonald's and it comes with a free piece of shit, would you enjoy that? I think the guns fun but that point is dumb
people are just salty for some reason. its a cool little thing they gave us for liberty day and ppl are bitching that its not holding up to the modern weapons lmao. makes 0 sense.
@@WannabeVTS I don't think comparing shit to a virtual free item that you don't even have to use or look at is a good comparison. Like, boo hoo it's a joke weapon. They're not forcing you to use it, Arrow Head didn't even have to add it to the game, and 3 more (probably) good weapons are coming at the end of the month. This is the most artificial outrage I've ever experienced in a game and it speaks to the entitlement of the community.
Many people I had already predicted that it wouldn’t be meta. That it was solely what the tin states, a ceremonial weapon that is a symbol rather than a practical tool. And the people that are still on the devs asses after almost all the weapons ended up being viable now is where I would draw the line on buffdivers. They had already buffed all weapons. One weapon that isn’t meant to be on the top of the meta charts is something people don’t mind and others think is a challenge to bring. I brought it along and it’s probably the hardest weapon to use. Which is fine! Because I had fun with it. Now if the new warbond ends up being trash then I’m all in on talking about buffs. But the constitution is fine with what it is.
I agree, it's never going to be meta. It's a bolt action in a horde shooter for crying out loud. It is impossible for it to be meta. But they could easily make it more viable. The senator, a secondary, is better in every way than a high caliber rifle primary. It should do more damage and have heavy pen and it would be perfect. It has its purpose but it should be more viable. It's a game, they can easily make it more fun to use without it being "OP"...
@@BIGGIECLYDE116 You're in multiple comments, stop pretending. You keep saying it doesn't need to be buffed you just want it viable? The meta now is that everything is viable, you don't even know what you're asking for. People were running max difficulty solo missions with the worst pre buffed weapons, if it doesn't feel viable to you, that's your problem. Play a lower difficulty. You insist you understand what this weapon is about, but you're asking it to be turned into a meta viable weapons. Just stop. Play a lower difficult, it's fine.
I know it's a gun that's not meant to be good but guys, imagine this: The gun is actually good so I can roleplay as a old fashioned helldiver while being as bad as I am
I hate the argument that it's meant to be bad, I think it's a lazy excuse honestly. They could easily make this thing more fun and viable. It just needs more damage and heavy armor pen and it would be sick.
@@BIGGIECLYDE116id argue it is viable, just not the best, i do agree about it being a “ceremonial weapon” or a “meme weapon” as a lazy excuse, i feel the only changes it needs is a stripper clip to reload on empty and make it do 200 not 180 damage
@@Snake-d6i Oh I think everything is viable for sure but I think it could be better too. I think if they don't buff the armor pen it needs to do more than 200. Maybe 250? Just more than the senator and counter-sniper at the very least I could settle for.
@@BIGGIECLYDE116 im torn between it having med or heavy pen because on one hand, its ‘ceremonial’ which i guess might mean it doesnt have like good rifling or stuff, but it should have heavy due to being a bolt action, and if the senator has it so should this
Crydivers at it again, its not enough that everything oneshots heavy units now, now they need a CEREMONIAL weapon to one shot everything and probably heal them in the process while they stand still in the middle of the open. Its unfortunate that pve games cant be balanced like competitive ones, using the top players/ranks, cuz if they use the average population the games would be ass. This is what is happening w these pves a bunch morons and horrible players cry when they cant nuke a map w 1 bullet (most of the recent buffs were good but the outcry and extreme behavior that led to them was not necessary at all).
This weapon was not meant to be meta. It requires a lot of skill and the right build to be viable. I've designed a build explicitly for bayonet charges. I run any armor with Peak Physique, Constitution, Senator, Thermite Grenades, Personal Shield Generator, Quasar cannon, Orbital Napalm Strike, and Eagle Strafing Run. The shield and experimental infusion are so you don't get mulched by the first MG Raider you run into, Senator for devastators and any bigger stuff you run into while out of thermite/Quasar or Eagle is on cool down. Know how to aim with the rifle and know how to use cover while you pick off as many bots as possible before performing your BANZAI charge. Prioritize the MG Raiders first, rocket troopers last since the Rocket Troopers suck at aiming and are about as helpless in melee as a toddler fighting a pit bull. While shooting, hug the rocks like you hug your waifu body pillow at night, those sexy fuckers will keep you alive. Abuse the FUCK out of the Eagle Strafing Run and Napalm Strike like your stepdad when he's five bottles of angry juice deep. You want to thin their numbers or else your bayonet charge will be as glorious as it was short-lived and ineffectual. Did I say glorious? My bad, glory only goes to the man who actually managed to get in poking distance to the enemy. Know how to juke and move. Practice in trivial missions, learn how to time your strikes and correct positioning for stabbing. Use other troopers as cover when in melee with a group of them, last thing you want is the lot of them with their guns trained on you, they'll mulch you as fast as an MG raider. Jamming up close for a sloppy make out session with Edward Scissorhands will only result in your dick getting cut off; get close, but not too close, remember it's only the first date and slutty divers die quickly. Lastly, when shit gets sticky, smash that stim button to unlock your crackhead powers while repeating the mantra "bots are a source of free copper!" (Or run to safety, idk I'm not your dad.) Lastly, DON'T GET INTO A FIST FIGHT WITH A BERSERKER! Use your senator for that. Know when NOT to use the Constitution. For example, while you CAN shoot Striders in the dick, it takes less shots with your Senator to make the Strider realize it's not going to be a father. Also, I assume your aim is as shit as mine so I don't bother trying to use the Constitution to shoot Devastators unless I am quick swapping after using all six of my shots in a close quarters fight and can't run.
With the length of that action, one would think the Constitution hits like a safari rifle. Still, only a matter of time before someone uploads a Super Helldive, No Deaths run with it.
A spear. That's a spear with a gun. Just change perspective and you have melee weapon with a gun on it. Not so bad when I have urge to Poke some bugs and rip them like they deserve...
Many people does not get that, this is not meant to be looked at in a competitive way, both the armor and the weapon is just a homage for Helldivers 1, nothing more, nothing less. Its just an iconic, gimmick weapon. Just there, to be there.
Very good gun very fun but I do wish it had as much mmph as the one from the first game, in the first game even tho it’s still a bad weapon when you shoot there would be a satisfying cling noise and lighter enemies would practically explode on getting shot
105 melee kills on difficulty 10, bugs, raise the flag playing with randoms. Full clear with 3 people extracting. Another game I got like 53 and then 89. Fun times.
"iT's sUpPosEd tO bE a JoKe, iT's MeAnT tO bE fUnNy" Omg hahaha wow a useless gun that's just gonna collect dust in my inventory and never get used, bro I'm just DYING laughing, i'm laughing so hard it hurts, like literally bro funniest shit I've ever seen in my life, so fucking funny lmfaooooo
Could I convince you to try my go-to loadout in a video to see what you think? I use the Eruptor, Verdict, Stun Grenades, heavy Fortified armor, the Supply Pack, Machine Gun Sentry, Commandos and EATs. I won't mind if you swap around a few items to better fit your play style or specialize for the faction you plan to fight as long as you keep the core of it: The Eruptor, Verdict, and EATs alongside one of the Anti-Tank support weapons.
I have used pretty similar loadout and found it really fun (terminids). breaker incendiary + bushwacker medium armor (extra padding) Impact grenades 1. Supply pack 2. Commando 3. EAT 4. Strafing run
@@siluda9255 More damage, it could be an slow firing heavy hitter. Low ammo count in the magazine and low firerate and reloading would make fall nicely into a niche as an weapon that could easily kill medium enemies.
Despite all the complaints, I love it. Yes you need to account for it's weaknesses, like most primaries, but it only adds to the charm. And damn, does it feel good to fire.
Constitution + Senator/Grenade Pistol with the "Guard Dog" backpack = a very good time! Highly recommend with the 50% melee dmg and -neg drag armor! Tons of FUN!
in HD1 the constitution rifle had 3 primary strengths: 1. perfect accuracy and best sniper class damage(unless you counted upgraded guns, then it's the worst in the sniper class since you can't upgrade the HD1 constitution besides adding a bayonet) along with getting punchthrough bullets by default without needing a penetration upgrade like some other rifles do(penetrating multiple enemies does not mean better armor piercing) 2. chainfire-reloads like the pump action shotguns 3. melee-assisted movement tech nr.1 could be helped with changing the bolt charging animation to make the 1st person iron sights stay on target more and a slight damage increase. besides that it already has excellent accuracy in HD2. It already overpenetrates/punchthroughs on low-armor enemies, it's hard to notice but being able to kill 2 scavs in 1 shot is neat. nr.2 can be easily implemented with a change to the reload delay for the HD2 constitution. That and/or a stripper clip to reflect the higher enemy count between HD1 and HD2. nr.3 can't really translate well into HD2 without some animation jank. But at least we got the animations ready for giving bayonets to other guns when a weapon mod system comes around. the HD1 constitution was only viable if you played to all 3 of its strengths and killed all the alarm scouts before they called in backup but in HD2 there are waaay more units that can raise an alarm. It's hard to make a "challenge" weapon since if it's too unreliable/inaccurate then it's just bad, if it's too reliable(ex: good armor piercing encouraging not caring about medium enemy weakpoints) then you don't get *ultimate* bragging rights. As it is currently the HD2 constitution has good enough accuracy that you can't blame missing headshots on the gun's barrel. I'd prefer if HD2 constitution stayed as a "challenge weapon" by importing its nr.1 and nr.2 HD1 strengths instead of getting something like a 4AP tweak. I don't think giving it an 4AP tweak without considering extra durable damage like some comments suggest is going to be meaningful in giving it a niche anyways. i still want the slugger to get more demolition damage. Another option i'd also like is if we got a separate non-ceremonial bolt-action built on the same platform with better materials+damage that has a suppressor attached.
I'm suprised how viable this thing is on even diff 10 (at least on bots), it feels super nice to use. I don't know the numbers, but the handling feels better than the dilligences and senator, loved it for popping devs. The high ammo count was also nice, never ran out of ammo, only complaint is it could probably get stripper clips.
I'm gonna keep reminding people that you don't get a non stratagem medium penetration weapon until page six of the default warbond. Sure you'll get one faster if you buy the Steel Veterans/Super Citizen bundle for the Senator or the Democratic Detonation warbonds (both have options on page 1) you still need to put in time to farm for credits or shell out money for those so having a free early game option is a plus.
"I can't believe this 5-clip weapon can't carry me through an entire mission!! God forbid I use the other tools in my arsenal to complete the objective!!"
WWI/low tech loadout is the most hilarious way to use this thing Viper Commando armour (For Peak Physique) Or Engineer Kit armour (For reduced recoil, more grenades, or less explosive damage etc) Constitution Senator Gas Grenade or Incendiary Grenade Orbital Walking/120/380/Incendiary (For Artillery) Eagle Airstrike Flamethrower Mounted Turret Hellpod booster is down to personal preference really. Though with the challenge nature of this build and how much you'll probably be running away from enemies, the new Dead Sprint booster from the new warbond could actually be funny
Yea. Most of the community forgot what “fun” is. Majority just want it all handed to them. No skill, no thinking required. No need to rethink what stratagems you’re using. The entitelment from this community is what’s ruining this game. And always has been. Wish it was just like HD1 and no one knows it exists.
The lowest reserve ammo I got while using this was like 40, keeping stocked (on automatons at least) is easy. The bayonet is quite effective on flesh though, had to put down someone who picked up the super samples we left at the extraction point.
I made a comment in the livestream yesterday about it being a weaker, slower firing senator but i've been playing it with then and found it combos incredibly with the guard dog! Liberator penetrator rounds go a long way for dealing with some of the tougher enemies and you can support it by taking out the smaller guys so it doesn't waste ammo.
“You know that super outdated gun that every citizen gets when they turn 16? Here. Now you can use it in game lol.” Is it a practical gun? Not really. Am I having fun using it? Absolutely! I think of the Constitution as a fun challenge-mode option.
I would love to see the constitutional rifle get a buff. Not to be a god gun but it needs to be useable and with its stats right now it’s basically useless on any mission over difficulty level 3. what i think is fair is make it better then the DMR’s but not as good as the Anti material rifle. this puts it in its own little spot. with no scope and small ammo mag it’s really best off used at medium rage and sadly the bayonet is only to get out of sticky situation so you can run away. with no scope landing distance shots will be harder but rewarding when landing them. this is not turning it into a god gun it’s simply taking it from a wall hanger to something useable. for those that will say the gun is ceremonial yes it is but so are like 3 armor sets in the game and they are on par or in some ways better than basic armor in the game. i am not asking that the gun one tap a titan i just don’t want arrowhead thinking giving us something useless is ok. this was the mindset that they had that led to a 2 month nerf fest.. none of us want that to return. if you are going to give us something make it useable. that’s all i ask. and wall hanger or garbage can filler is not “useable”
@@BIGGIECLYDE116it doesn’t need more ap. you can’t just fix a weapon by giving it more ap. it needs more damage (specifically durable dmg), more capacity, and a stripper clip and it’ll be fine. it could also use a better ads
@@CaymenEditzand in my opinion it does. It's clearly a higher caliber than the senator and uses black tips. No reason for it to be worse off than the senator despite being a primary. I would rather have higher pen then a stripper clip.
@@BIGGIECLYDE116 i mean sure. i guess it could benefit from a higher ap. it would be completely unnecessary because it’ll never be a good weapon at killing chargers or bile titans or anything heavy (except hulks probably). i just think it’d benefit more from more dmg and a stripper clip for faster reloading when empty and more capacity. it’s not that i feel like more ap wouldn’t make sense or wouldn’t make the gun better, i’m saying that those other things should be higher priority
@@CaymenEditz I agree honestly I’d rather have more damage, but for me the high pen makes sense if the senator got it, I think this thing should. I’d be content with around 250-300 damage and stripper clips though. I just don’t agree that the weapon needs to be useless for the sake of being a gimmick when it could be viable very easily. If it stays how it is I can guarantee you won’t see anyone using it by the end of the month. I saw maybe two people using it today.
I know some people say it's a ceremonial rifle, and that it wasn't great in the first game, but this isn't the exact same rifle. It was the r2016 in HD1, and now it's the r2124 in HD2. Only in HD1 does it say it's ineffective in combat, but it says no such thing in HD2 so that doesn't apply. Just cause it's a ceremonial rifle doesn't mean it has to be weaker than the DCS, plenty of real life ceremonial rifles are still very good to this day I'm glad it has medium armor pen, it just needs its damaged increased from 180 to between 275 and 300 and it's durable damage increased a little bit. That is literally all it needs and maybe a stripper clip reload on empty and that's it.
the HD1 iteration of the constitution rifle is better than the HD2 iteration due to the chain-reload you can do like with the pump shotguns. The HD1 version was still not as good as other marksmen rifles though unless you went all-in on the melee and kept on top of destroying alarm raising enemies.
In HD2, it says it's a replica, meaning it's a copy of the original. All current ceremonial rifles are either weaker or less viable than their modern equivalent. I'll agree with the stripper clip.
It just literally does not make sense how bad it is. I dont expect it to be amazing by anymeans but it should at least deal more dps than a revolver and come with stripper clips. If they gave it at least 250 damage and stripper clips, I would be clacking my heels together like a leprechaun.
It will be perfect if Constitution can1shot devastator in belly and constantly 2 shot in chest make it a median penetrate hard hitting slow rifle which take more time to aim but highly rewarded when you delivered a will place shot.
"Controversial"? Really? This isn't controversial, its a meme gun from the old game and if people are serious pissed over it they can go get a new change of panties.
The rifle is fun but i feel like it doesnt deal enough damage, if u dont hit the head u cant even oneshot hunters which is pretty ass for a primary weapon in my opinion.
Weapon Is weird one, not worst tho. I hoped for heavy ap tbh. Weapon Is Fun And Its not bad. Melee can kill Hunter in hit or 2. If thats what it Will be with weapons after upgrade with it? It Will be good.
we don't need them to buff this this is supposed to be like this it's for the celebration of Liberty day as the description of the gun says kind of useless in actual combat just meant for show but now that we've tasted how sweet they can make these bolt action rifles we need them to make another one in a future Warbond I'm not actually talking about the video btw incase anyone needs to know that I know that there is gonna be a bunch of idiots swarming the devs saying BUFF THIS IT THRASH in that exact manner of saying it
A stripper clip on an empty reload would be nice, but not really necessary. It's not supposed to be an amazing gun, just one for new divers or divers just messing around.
i was the same like others thinking its trash and needs buff and then realized its a joke gun its meant to not be good what was found tho was a liver action rifle in the files months ago so maybe we will see that or a much more modded desgin/upgraded design of the constitution rifle meant to be usful but we will see i am sad tho is i love such weapons in games but i do hope the truth enforcers have good weapons over all that are fun to us and not annoy people with how usless they are and us waiting weeks or months for the next patch so the usless once finally get buffs
Oh you mean the description in HD1? That doesn't apply to HD2. This is a different weapon, it's the r2124, whereas in the first game it's the r2016. And the description in HD2 just says it's a ceremonial rifle, and it says nothing about it being ineffective and real life ceremonial rifles are actually still very good to this day. All it needs to do is 275 to 300 damage and it would be just fine.
i dont really care if the gun gets buffed or stays the same, but calling people idiots for asking for buffs when the devs will spend resources (that they already dont have much as you can see the game dint have major content since realease), lets create sound, animations, models and script for a gun that no one will use, i wonder who is the idiot here? lol
People are not "complaining". They are giving suggestions. I only see people complaining about people "complaining". This gun is dogshit. There is no debate about it. Straight up the worse gun in the game. The peacemaker is better than it. It is a massive downgrade from the Diligence CS. That doesn't mean it isn't cool. It is VERY cool. But no one will use it after a week. The idea of a bolt action gun hasn't really been explored yet. We have the Eruptor but that's more of an explosive weapon. Yet the first bolt action gun we get is dogshit. Sure you can say it's meant to be a meme. A meme that lasts about 3 days but a meme nonetheless. But it has potential to be a gun that is regularly used by some, and not just left to collect dust like the mines/airburst/smokes/EMP. Give it 300 damage to counter its slow fire rate. This makes sense even by "realism" as the 30-06 round it is suppose to be shooting is a big round with a lot of punch. Then give it heavy pen so it can sort of match up to the Senator. It will still be bad vs Bile Titans/Chargers as the fire rate is too slow and it only has 5 rounds. Last give it stripper clip reload on empty like the Senator to counter the abysmally slow reload speed. This will make the gun probably a B tier gun. Pairing it with something like the Stalwart would be a pretty damn good build. Therefore also indirectly increasing the use of the Stalwart.
i think the bragger and challenge run % of the playerbase will keep using it. But the average player definitely wont be using it unless they are starting out and want to use a free-unlock 3AP primary for early difficulties. It's hard to make a "challenge" weapon since if it's too unreliable/inaccurate then it's just bad, if it's too reliable(ex: good armor piercing encouraging not caring about medium enemy weakpoints) then you don't get **ultimate** bragging rights. As it is currently the HD2 constitution has good enough accuracy that you can't blame missing headshots on the gun's barrel. I'd prefer if HD2 constitution stayed as a "challenge weapon" by importing a few of its strengths from HD1 without the 4AP tweak. I don't think giving it an 4AP tweak without considering extra durable damage like some comments suggest is going to be meaningful in giving it a niche anyways. The HD2 constitution already has overpenetration/punchthrough letting it kill multiple light enemies in one shot like in HD1. But it's missing the chainfire-reload aaand a slight damage increase(it was the best sniper type weapon in terms of per-bullet damage unless you upgraded the other HD1 rifles since you can't upgrade the HD1 constitution besides giving it a bayonet).
The weapon is very fun to play with, BUT it needs an upgraded version. The free on start for everyone version should stay as is, but a stronger one (300dmg, pen4, 8rounds) should be obtainable in lvl11 free warbond (or a new warbond). It's such a perfect occasion to make a first primary P4 weapon, and this one fits the role perfectly. It's just that you can't really buff a free early weapon, as it WILL break the progression balance.
Ill say it in the most simple terms, anyone calling this gun a problem and or complaining about how it performs and calls for a buff....should be ignored and entirely disregarded, there are so many reasons why the constitution acts like it does, its not SUPPOSED to be meta, its a fun gun to run when your feelin democratical (oooh wordy) its a joke weapon that still performs well enough to pass. and they all seem to forget just how many call ins and support weapons you have to fill what your loadout needs covering on, the "controversy" Is just a bunch of whiny manchildren crying for attention
This game's population cratered while people like you said the exact same thing about indefensibly bad nerfs. "Don't like it, suck it up" isn't the winning argument you think it is.
@@TheGuyWithTheSniper I did not in fact say that while the nerfs happened, I even stopped playing and stood alongside the majority that HATED the nerf issues, this is not a "Dont like it, suck it up" response, this is a "This gun is in lore a mass produced handout thats not for frontline combat" so please, take your time, read whats happening around, and then come back and try to argue with a real response. The devs getting lambasted in the discord over a JOKE WEAPON, being not meta or performing weird, should in fact be ignored, Ill support giving devs doing shitty things criticism, but the nasty shit being said over this weapon is too far. Ill continue to have fun with it despite its obvious flaws, because I have so many things to cover its weaknesses its not funny.
It's even more fun to see how people defend this weapon with excuses, and for even more fun, let's say that those who find it "Fun to use" are a minority group. What's more, I'll make it even clearer and funnier for you all, it will be forgotten without a buff that makes it "Boring and meta".
Honestly? I get that it's a "funni meme rifle" or "ceremonial" or "symbol of ..." don't care What is the purpose tho? To say haha and play with it to punish yourself? Or leave it in the armory as "dust collector gun"? Really, enlighten me what prevented devs just making it semi-viable fun bolt-action rifle instead of trash? Wouldn't cosplaying Krieg corps be MORE fun if this weapon had actual damage?
i believe one of many reasons is that it's for people that like to post screenshots that they did a max difficulty mission while bringing the gun. or in other words: bragging rights and challenge modes. There's a whole genre of Elden Ring and Dark Souls challenge modes videos like "beating the game without using dodges or parries". but that's just the player-side of the fun equation. on the developer-side i suspect they are getting the bayonet melee animation ready in advance for when weapon modding is added which lets other weapons have bayonets. i already describe it as semi-viable when i gave it a test run, would not recommend it for higher difficulties unless you want to bayonet tanks to death in like 7 stabs.
@@LaserTractor well i hope it answered your question! Niche appeal fits the ArrowHead company motto. in HD1 it had 3 primary strengths, even if you played it to those specific strengths there were still better options: 1. perfect accuracy and best sniper class damage(unless you counted upgraded guns, then it's the worst in the sniper class since you can't upgrade the HD1 constitution besides adding a bayonet) 2. chainfire-reloads like the pump action shotguns 3. melee-assisted movement tech. based on this i think these 2 statements are both true at the same time: - the HD1 constitution is a meme compared to other HD1 weapons. - it can be viable if you play it to its strengths and don't miss. the HD1 constitution was only viable if you killed all the alarm scouts before they called in backup but in HD2 there are waaay more units that can raise an alarm. i think it'd be best if we got a separate non-ceremonial bolt-action built on the same platform with more damage that has a suppressor attached. But if not i'd be fine with getting the old HD1 strengths of it brought back and/or adapted to a 1st person shooter setting. nr.1 could be helped with changing the bolt charging animation to make the 1st person iron sights less obstructive. nr.2 can be easily implemented with a change to the reload delay. nr.3 can't really translate well into HD2. i think there'd be too much animation jank. based on my impression of how things take a while to get through the development+playstation approval pipeline i would not be surprised to see a damage boost to the HD2 constitution after a month or 2.
@@LaserTractor “oh no there’s a singular gun that’s literally is described as a ceremonial weapon giving to children” (Looks at the other 27 primary and 9 secondary guns which are all actually built for modern combat) Why are you so torn up about a meme gun when we’re getting 3 new guns this week. It’s supposed to be a fun little present for liberty day.
@@LaserTractor Blows my mind lol. It's such a lazy excuse. It's a damn video game, why can't it be a viable weapon? ridiculous. Guarantee these are the same people who bawled their eyes out at the senator heavy armor pen buff and think the game is too easy now lol.
@@BIGGIECLYDE116 My favorite was "it's a bolt action rifle, its poor performance is realistic" Yes, Helldivers 2, a game commended for its dedication to realism...
@@TheGuyWithTheSniper Yeah exactly lol. Last time I checked alcubierre drives didn't exist, and we didn't have 10 ton armored bug aliens running at us but what do I know.
