Helpless HYBRID....from Florida?? (Part 1 - It's DEAD) 

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Lead free stamped on the circuit board means the solder connections are susceptible to tin whisker and dendritic growth. A little moisture combined with a voltage potential between 2 pins is all it takes. Military electronics require at least 10% lead solder.

“ customer wants it fixed so he can resell it “ Hey Ivan , can you post the VIN so a future buyer avoids this dumpster fire ?

This car almost self combusted, it obviously wants a Viking funeral.

I always knew you were going to make a good mechanic from the start when you were doing Diagnostics with Eric O. Keep up the great work Ivan.

Ivan pumping out them videos like crazy! Always love a new PHAD episode

Great "diagnostic canon" to quote the Car Wizard. Now comes the parts canon due to someone wanting to actually flip this pile. But it is worth the learning experience to watch you show us how it is done correctly. Thank you, Ivan. I always learn so much watching you.

A lesson I learned back in the 80s the applies to modern electric vehicles. I had just purchased a $150 RC dune buggy and was impressed at how fast it was! It was a clear day but had rained the night before leaving a few puddles. While scooting around the street I plowed through a puddle and waaaaaa, buggy stopped immediately! I mean dead! Zip-nada- nothing! I dried it out and still zilch! Checked the battery to find it had power and the leads to the motor were at full voltage. The motor was toast! The replacement motor cost me $80! I ran fine after installing the new motor and I never used the bandit where there was moisture present again! Water and electronics do NOT mix! Same applies all these years later only the lesson is vastly more expensive! Unless these manufacturers seal the entire system to water intrusion they are subject to a similar fate! And while gas powered vehicles are not immune to water damage I believe they are far more resilient (so says my 98 Jeep Wrangler😂)! The more electronic connections a vehicle has, the higher it's chances of failure due to moisture intrusion. I watch footage of the Willys Jeeps that fought in WWll blasting through waist deep water and mud with 6 GIs holding on for dear life and think if they had the electrical crap the vehicles of today have, we would have lost that war! Your channel rocks, Ivan! 👍

@Ivan, you can buy the HV harness that connects from the cells to the battery ECU. You should open the pack anyway to check the voltages, as they might benefit from some manual balancing if that short drew some cells down.

Hey Ivan I enjoy your channel. I am so glad my daily driver is a 2004 Honda Civic with a 1.7l engine. It simply does not fail.

Looking forward to part two and seeing where the voltages are at inside that battery! Wondering if there are any signs of burning or damage inside the case, I guess we'll soon find out 😁

Ivan, maybe after you trace down and replace all the burnt wires you can install a fire extinguisher system to keep this car safe! Looking forward to Part II. Thanks for Sharing!

What a mess! Almost all the voltage sensing wires got in contact between themselves near the module - must have been a crackling event :-) You can't know the health of the battery pack before you repair that mess - a bit of a gamble, Ivan! But there's, at least, a Part 2 and that should be a good sign :-)

I'm always fascinated by the contrast between analyzing the codes and then seeing the actual problem. Well done Ivan. Thanks!

With the connector/pin damage discovered on the Battery Module (BCM?), I would say this vehicle never ran. A trip to the dealer would at least indicate the same DTCs and PID strange voltage readings on the traction battery block voltages. I know some dealers are not that experienced at troubleshooting, but this problem is easily uncovered by just a visual inspection of the BCM.

Wow! What a mess to repair. I was hoping that you would show us the rest of the teardown and assessment in this episode. Hopefully, that's all it needs is a module and pigtail connector. Looking forward to part 2.

Great content sir, one suggestion is to have a box link at the top corner directing to next part at the video end for your multi-part series. Thanks

Water, Water everywhere. That harness looks real bad may also need replacing. When you open the High Voltage Battery Pack, carefully check the jumpers from battery to battery. Some corrosion may show, an instructor once told a class I was in that it's ok. When removing bus bars/battery jumpers, there is a torque when tightening them back on the battery. You're doing great Ivan!

Mr Ivan sir when working own Hybrid cars. It's best to replace the Cell Strip. Then you will no that the wires are 💯% good and not have Green crusty own them that is what I think 🤔🤔. Sir great content. Look forward to the Fix keep up the great work..

Hi I van, 100% confident you will sort it. Many thanks from UK.

Great video Ivan as always man those green crusty will get you no matter where you are at. Looking forward to Part 2.

I have a Prius and actually went to it from years as a Mercedes owner after driving a rental . Currently have over 300K on my 2013 and have replaced front brake pads twice still has original rears. Had to replace brake actuator. Plugs once. Oil every 5K tran fluid every 100K. And she purrs like a kitten and gets confused when I pull up to a gas pump. LOL

I think the dealer took one look at that and said no way! However, I hear Ivan loves a challenge 😂

I don't think I would be too keen to mess around with the sense wires pig tail. Well not without knowing the set up, like is there any kind of circuitry to limit current on each cell wire. I should image that each cell is capable of delivering a whole ton of amps. I would be careful probing and messing with them, especially with all that bare steel around them. And if they are current limited by a resistor or some fancy circuitry inside the battery pack itself, one must wonder if that survived without blowing open circuit. Take care Ivan, we don't want any unscheduled welding or fire starting!

Be careful with water damage deal with a lot here in Florida You may even find the ABS problem being part of it Specially any wiring running along floorboards The liability of this is great I don’t know if I would venture into it Wish you all the best on this repair just be cautious

Cannot wait for part 2 and beyond lots of varibles yet to show their little problems hopefully its recoverable.

“Look what followed me home from a flood zone! Can we keep him?”

Did you notice the cooling fan blades are blocked with lint ! I had the same problem on my Oil Burner Beckett boiler. Those cup shaped blower fan blades fill up with all kind of debri, especially if the clothes dryer is in the basement or if you have animals in the household.

We have a 2007 Camry Hybrid and finally had to replace the battery in the trunk in February of this year. The battery was a Panasonic and it was manufactured in October 2006 - we bought the car new in December 2006. That means the battery lasted about 17 years. The Walmart Ever Start battery is not the right kind of battery for this kind of car. The traction battery, on the other hand, lasted until June of 2018, about 12 years. Got it from NAPA for about 1800 after the core charge was returned. When the traction battery went, the car was still drivable on just the engine but complained a lot on the dash display. It was almost like the trunk battery was starting the engine.

America’s rust belt also resides in the south part near the beaches.

This isn’t as bad as one would think I just repaired a gen 1 Prius. The harnes is 60 and the module was 60 bucks and it didn’t take long to fix maybe 3 hours. You can buy a rebuilt pack and have it installed for like 1500.

Hope you'll be getting the whole cable harness and not just the connector, Ivan. Those wires looked atrocious. I also think it was wise to order the module since at least one pin looked to be missing and the heat or fire probably did some damage to the circuitry. Part 2 should be good.

Just put one of the wife’s horses in front for a different style of hybrid. 😂😂

Beached "hybrid" whale towed all the way from Florida and dropped at the entrance...Okayyy. This should be good.

I’m glad it’s summerish and not ice or mud there as the beached whale thing would be zero fun under those circumstances. I was also surprised at the accessibility you found. I really thought it was gonna be bricked in…

That got HOT. It's a wonder the car didn't catch on fire. 😲

Water and high current batteries not a good mix, just finished watching a series of webinars from Autel on EV diag and testing, I’m glad I work in a rural shop so I don’t see too many EV’s I do see some hybrids though, the ac systems on them are completely different , I think it’s funny they use a 12 volt battery control to activate and command the high voltage system.

it always helps to connect the cables Ivan....LOL

Just fixed a 3rdGen Prius with this same issue. Corrosion was all the way up the voltage sense wires, and had corroded battery terminals and link bars. Also found a leaking battery cell. The voltage sensor looked much worse than this one. It needed a full HV battery replacement, as well as voltage sensor.

As always, an interesting diagnosis. I'm sure that you know what you're doing on the business end of all this, but I hope that you've considered a variable labor rate for the more sophisticated systems such as this hybrid system.

What seems to happen with inexperienced people that don't understand the electronic world sometimes believes the person diagnosing the problem caused the problem. Once you filled up their new auction car with burning electronics smell, they probably wont call you back. They like to blame and pretend that you were the cause of the reason why you were called there in the first place. It's that old "It was working before you touched it" mentality. I had that recently when I was outfitting a brand new house with outlets and switches and had one breaker tripping from a short to ground. The builder told me "My master electrician roughed in this house so it must have been something you hooked up wrong or backwards". I went to convincing him he has to remove cabinetry and drywall so I could inspect the wire. He had done so and said "I checked every inch of that wire and found nothing wrong with it" and tried pushing back on me like I wired it wrong. I found a staple driven into the wire about 2" under a box which proves it was done when the electrician was roughing it in. I was only sent there to finish it out and get everything working for inspection. Diagnostics can sometimes lead to spooky outcomes when you have to break the news to the customer or client. Thanks again.

Oops, I deleted my comment instead of editing it… damn it. Anyway, looks like we both had the same idea in the end. Also, those wires do go directly to the battery blocks. Be careful. The wire is your only fuse with these so if got a hood battery block behind it you may have little More Fun then you expect. .

Without seeing all the video my guess is something the HV controller.It's been swimming after seeing the controller my guess was sort of right.At least I was in the correct area of the vehicle having never worked on one.

So few people understand these cars, and also EVs. I bought a Smart EV six years ago for pennies on the dollar because it was "dead". All that was wrong with it was the 12 volt battery wouldn't hold a charge and therefore failed to initialize the car after sitting a few hours! $200 later and I've had a fully functioning and trouble-free EV since. And one thing about hybrids I don't like is, if the electric drive section fails or something goes awry in the hybrid control, why can't the car default to ICE-only operation? You would think, especially with this "parallel" design, they could have engineered a fail-safe mode to at least let you drive the car.

In 2017 I bought a 2010 Mazda5 from a dealer I know and trust. It had a faint weird musty smell but I didn't think anything of it. (Oops.) After we got it home, I pulled the cover off the spare tire compartment... it smelled SO BAD ... and there were two inches of muddy water in there. Further panicked exploring showed no sign of water/flooding anywhere else. The dealer investigated. When they bought it, the cargo area was just full of mud, and the kid assigned to clean it got frustrated that the carpet cleaner was taking too long, so he used a pressure washer on the interior ("That's a bold move, Cotton") to clean the mud out of the back, then the carpet cleaner to extract the water out of the carpet, and fans for a couple days to dry it out. It never occurred to him that the pressure washer would flood the spare tire well. Cleaned out out, dried it out, disinfectant to kill the smell, and never had another problem.

Hybrid's are so handy for around town and they drink very little fuel.

Most people would just swap the battery with used or new. The inside has to be ruined, not only by age but now by water. I think we have a Florida wintering Northerner trying to recoup rv gas money with a cheap Ivan fix. At least put a new set of cells in it.

Great video! You seem to know what you will find after a few moments of investigation. Green Crusty's do lots of damage.

We have the same problem here in UK, most the time it's the relay to main battery on hybrid.

How the hell could a dealer not find that? Also, salt gets in the humid air and rusts everything out. One more thing, us Southerners don't consider Florida the South 😉

I think the voltage jumping us the battery stabilizer. Theirs a name for it lol i just cant think of it atm lol. Its early . Ive got a halteck to BALANCER thats it lol. Your seeing the voltage surge of the balancer

I'm still working on my 2008 Nissan Altima Hybrid, I just need to get the BCM working.

Man Ivan, those hybrid cars are quiet, even when being pushed, 🤣. Good comment about gas powered cars being good for pushing hybrids around. Hopefully you can get a new connector with pigtails already in it. That's the problem with hybrid cars also in that because there are less of them, it's probably harder to find parts for repairs. When you do find parts, the prices for them are astronomical.

WOW good luck to the future owner.

Well you got your answer as it got involved fender bender, lol. At least you got the whole story, water intrusion caused green crusties wow, great video even though i hate hybrids lol.

You need a tow truck with all these beached whales

salt air corroded my old corvair pretty bad when i was living in santa cruz calif when i went to high school

Is the humidity in FL very high?... Just being close to the ocean is more corrosive on everything. Will be interesting to see how this turns out.

Hopefully the cells haven't become too far out of balance or completely drained. Looks like that module has some balancing capability though.

The burnt wires would scream battery shorts, shorted battery. Initially I assume total replacement of the battery unless it is water tight, because I would assume it was a victim of a Florida flood. With water intrusion without being submerged though, exposed modules got destroyed, the battery in its safety enclosure might have avoided water, the shorts might be an issue, surprised it did not catch fire.

You def deserve more subs, Mr Motoyam82 I found you and Eric O around the same time many years ago. It looks like your diags are too advanced for most people to comprehend? I def consider your channel to be an advanced diag channel, like ScannerDanner.

Yes the complete harness is available for hybrid battery

Very interesting! Can't wait to see part 2!

I think what happened is that somebody put something soaken wet on the rear seat. The Toyota manuals state don't this, for it risks battery damage.

Those block voltages are switching more than a oxygen sensor.

I am sure that is the first time I have ever heard anyone use the word "meltage" Not only great diagnostic skills but great vocabulary skills...😄

The water intrusion and how it came to be (ie the accident) would have been a marvelous thing to know before it was delivered or at the very least when it was dropped off! Why people don't tell their mechanics the full story is stupid. In most cases it can actually save them money in diagnosis coats. In most cases it can save them the trip if the mechanic decides to not take the job on. In most cases it gives the mechanic time to schedule the vehicle in at a time when he/she can spend time on iit instead of parking it in the corner till time is available. In most cases the mechanic can spend time to actually repair the vehicles that are repairable on the day and get paid for those vehicles! Rant over!

To push a charge you need 14.5-15v. 13.4 is a “float voltage”, 13.5 isn’t enough to charge from death.

The pitfalls of Hybrids. I don't have a ton of experience with them, but I do know the 1st gen Escape hybrids must have a good main battery, with somewhere in the neighborhood of at least 30% charge, or the main engine will not start. They used the battery pack to run the starter...

The 12V batteries in Toyota Hybrids are suppose to be AGM and are not suppose to be charged at a high rate.

You probably alright fixed it but fyi all battery blocks good or bad will measure around 14v. Only wait to test them is load test or driving the car. They are old nimh cells.

"Ever Start" batteries - EricO calls them "Never Start" - Guess he is right haha

2012 Toyota Camry hybrids actually rated very reliable. But if it gets flooded all bets are off

This is why I laugh every time someone tells me battery EVs will last forever and be trivial to fix.

Ouch! Methinks those wires have soot on them. It was close to burning down! Are there fuses between the battery cells and that plug going to the sensor board?

Wow! Only 15 seconds old when I clicked 😎

how about replacing both connector male and female with new one .universal connectors are available

Youre in trouble now ivan. They know about you..youre gonna get real busy for a while😊 ever think about just getting a brick and mortar shop like SMA?

Can you imagine being the future owner of that flaming turd? I know you'll get it going again, but how long until water damages things again? And for that matter, how long until the high voltage battery packs it in? I see major expenses ahead for the poor soul who buys that car....

The tow bill would exceed the cost of the entire vehicle's worth. Lol!!

Ocean sea breezes. Salt Air.

Good work

As Clint E has said, "A man has got to know his limitations." Honestly, this car is far too risky. It makes for a good YT video, but there are probably a pile of unseen problems.

You have battery Krusty's on sensor agree That's probably the problem

water intrusion? I'd say flood car or they left the trunk and doors open in a huge rain storm or sprinklers watering.. wouldn't touch it with a 300' pole.🤯

Man I like that battery charger

When i saw the title i had a feeling it was a flood car.

Ivan, have you seen Rich, fordbossme's video about the noco genius battery recovery?

During this video when you are doing the snap on device? I noticed that you weren't checking all again. I happened to notice this don't know if you realize it but play back this video you should just. Check all see what it says especially when you're not sure

Owner wants it to run so he can pawn off his wreck to someone or as a trade in. Those can go for 9K or so.

The module, harness and connector should be replaced. Gotta' feeling the shorted module/ cable fried the battery. If your using the cable go back at least a ft.

Call a Taxi company. They all have 10-20 parts cars sitting around. Maybe they can help

That's definitely something wrong with the battery sensor

The dealer didn't notice that.

Ivan, if you know this car is going to be flipped and sold…you should walk away. And, for all you know this vehicle could have been submerged in salt water for days! Have you seen pics of the aftermath of Hurricane Ian? A conventional internal combustion vehicle wouldn’t have fared much better.

Nudging the hybrid .. “uphill battle” with this one.

Looked like you were pushing it off a cliff. Lol

What's your policy on repairing knowing the seller will likely not represent that this car has had this issue? It's one thing for the owner to consent. I guess the standard probably is repair to a level that is functionally equivalent to before the issue happened.

Ivan vs the Hurricane Ian Hybrid.

Breaking on a Friday, means there’s 3 parts. Not a simple connector replacement.